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Time: Saturday, November 30, 2013 9:11pm EST

Guests: Armunn, Tom from CT, Dustyash, Farcevalue, Jan Erik. We also listen in to the 9/11 debate with John Friend and Mike Delaney.

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  1. ab Post author

    This came in today:
    Name: Kieron
    Comment: The ‘debate’ & the ‘fakeologist listen in’ were both enlightening from my point of view… you’ve both buried yourselves into your own rabbit holes (though at least you guys talk calmly.)… at least I suspect so anyway.

    A failure to do ‘due diligence research’ leads to people accidentally claiming that ‘visible light is fake’ or that Simon Shack doesn’t claim “nobody died on 9/11” when he does… repeatedly & in many formats for a great period of time.

    These failures literally mean that half the time I have no idea what it is that you’re trying to say (often through vague metaphors)….

    Do you ‘believe’ that all radiation is fake?
    Is Magnus Carlsen really our supreme overlord?
    Do you ‘believe’ that only some wavelengths are fake?
    Satellite spotting is a fake hobby?
    Do you ‘believe’ that gamma rays don’t exist? Or maybe that X-rays cannot ionize matter? Or perhaps instead that radiation cannot damage cells?
    Is the gambit a stranded rook for a well positioned knight… should it be accepted or declined?
    Seriously Jesuits? Catholic priests run the media… but pretend to be Jewish?

    I don’t know what you believe… nor can I even find a clues thread on these matters. Your terms are so vague & your sources so rarely cited that I don’t know where it is you’ve gotten these ideas from.

    Perhaps it’s me? Maybe there’s some unique source of info that you’ve discovered which would allow me to do due diligence research… otherwise it’s just a circlejerk with ‘thinkers’ (may as well believe in ‘Dark Energy’ if ‘thinking’ is all it takes to make it true).

    Your beliefs are a total mystery to me… BECAUSE you cannot explain them.

    My suspicion is that you can’t explain because you HAVEN’T done the research… you’re like the Scott Roberts claiming that “The Jews wouldn’t blink twice about killing 3000” when he doesn’t even know who any of these supposed 3000 are.

    He’s never heard of ‘Honor Elizabeth Wainio’… his beliefs in regard to her existence are effectively moot.

    Am I a Scott Roberts who needs to know more about Magnus Carlsen or are you the Scott Roberts who hasn’t researched a topic he’s waxing lyrical on? Or are we both Scott Roberts…

    … who knows…

    …. either way 9/11 was a hoax & most of our ‘reality’ is a load of fake bullshit.

  2. Herge DegrelleHerge Degrelle

    Are you asking me or Farce Value?

    If you’re asking me, yes, both race and culture obviously exist but what can be called the culture of true civilization, i.e. the win-win dialectic, is not a racial construct, although racial heritage originally created the different cultures which had more-or-less degrees of the win-win incorporated along with the win-lose of parasitism and plunder preying on its weaknesses. All these races and specific cultures were isolated from each other until modern forms of transportation and later communication gave them easy access to each other.

    No two human beings are equal in abilities or talent and hence no two groups comprised of unequal individuals, no two results of any group endeavors and ultimately no two cultures. When a group or collective of unequal individuals achieve a consistency of behavior that tends towards the more or less homogeneous because they all adhere to certain basic principles, then these wealth-creating good-for-me compendium of moral choices results in what is called their cultural achievement.

    What is the moral? That which gives more-of-all and more-for-all simultaneously, but never in equal proportion, in keeping with natural inequalities yet sacrificing none in the process, and requiring only the bearing of responsibilities for free choices and actions

    When a person also observes that groups of unequal individuals whose behavior tends to be far more consistent than those of other groups are of similar genetic background and decides to become a ‘racist’ by considering the preservation of these genes an important factor, he or she is just making a free choice for better or worse and is not engaged in any coercive activity. If a large portion of an entire society makes similar free choices and decides to become ‘racist,’ then that’s still not institutionalized ‘violence’ but simply an aggregate of free choices.

    It is only when initiation of force against individuals is ‘institutionalized’ that injustice or a violation of the inalienable natural right to free choice occurs and to initiate it in ‘collective retaliation and collective punishment’ is, in principle, as wrong as shooting the residents of an entire neighborhood for the crimes of a handful. It is coercion that is always the problem and not the free choice whether to factor in genetics into your thinking or not.

    I recently heard a former National-Alliance (William Pierce’s organization, see below for more on this clown) organizer declare “Diversity is a strength, just keep it white.” Well, if strength is to be the criterion and the reason for his racism, and not simply his subjective preference for white people like himself, a free-choice to which he has every right to, then wouldn’t the cultural elitist version of it: “Diversity is a strength, just keep it smart, capable and non-criminal,” be even more likely to work?

    Think about it.

    If we had to pick two scientific teams to research some subject matter and you had only white Aryan people or 8% of the world’s population to pick from and I had the entire 100% to pick from, who do you think would have the stronger, more capable team as long as he kept the “smart, capable and non-criminal” filter active at all times?

    Now, take this a step further and make it a blind test. If it was a BLIND test, and you got to pick from a white pool of and I from let’s say a Japanese pool, are you so sure your team would be the stronger? Maybe. What the racists always assume is a blind test. They say that if they are forced to pick from white people of European heritage AT RANDOM and people of another genetic heritage AT RANDOM, they are more likely to come up with a strong team with the white random picks than the non-white random picks. In this latter case, and only in this latter case would I agree with them.

    So, if I was forced to pick at random, yes, I would pick white people too and not only because I myself am white, but because they have the most advanced cultures and therefore are far more likely to have the strengths needed to maintain this culture latent within the genetics of the race itself, just like a Rottweiler is far more likely to guard your house than a Labrador Retriever. This is not saying that human beings are the same as dogs or horses but that they are certinaly not immune to genetic factors and influence.

    Therefore, it follows that a Nietzschean cultural elitist government (control of the mind, programming of the mind, not necessarily exploitation of the mind since it can be nature’s programming) is best and not a racist one, since cultural elitism allows for the free-choice of racism (prepared to bear the responsibilities that come with all free choices) but a racist organization does not allow, by force, for any free non-racist cultural choice such as the decision to mate and have mixed race offspring.

    When you look at it this way, it’s easy to see that the racists do not want a return to a state of things where force is not initiated against them to compel their integration with other races but a return to PRIVILEGE and forced segregation. Most of these morons disagree amongst each other about who they consider of the race and who they consider outside of it. Ever read Stormfront or VNN forum? It’s better than any comedy entertainment sometimes, the idiocy of some of the people who post there.

    [quote]

    Hunter

    Main article: Hunter (Pierce novel)

    In 1989, again under the Andrew Macdonald pen name, William Pierce published another novel, Hunter, which tells the story of a man named Oscar Yeager, a veteran of the Vietnam War and F-4 Phantom pilot who assassinates mixed-raced couples.

    In interviews, Pierce called Hunter more realistic, and described his rationale for writing it as taking the reader through “…an educational process”.

    This book was dedicated to serial killer Joseph Paul Franklin, a longtime member of various white nationalist groups who, like Hunter’s protagonist, preyed on interracial couples. Joseph Paul Franklin was executed on November 20, 2013.

    [/quote]

    What a great guy!! Now, that’s the kind of leader you want, Aybesea ! One that would give you medals for murdering people who had the audacity to fall in love with human beings of the “other” races, you know, the same ones Christian Identity nutjobs like Proskank consider the biblical “seed of the devil.”

    Why would JF even associate with a nutbag like this guy? Unity at all costs? What kind of retarded doctrine is that? Doesn’t he see that it hurts his own WN cause? Try to find a single instance of Hitler or Goebbels or Goering or anyone else in the National Socialist party of 70 years ago advocate the killing of race-mixers just for the crime of race-mixing. Go and try to find it. You’ll come up with nothing. Is it any wonder then that the National Socialists maintain an aura of honor while the KKK’s and the CI’s and the National-Vanguardists of the racialist world maintain none?

    “Every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud, adopts as a last resource pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and happy to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.” – Arthur Schopenhauer

    “There is no such thing as a superior ‘race’ per se, in the sense that every member of one ‘race’ is superior to every member of another ‘race.’ Neither is there such a thing as ‘racial’ equality in the sense that the average strength or intelligence of one ‘race’ is equal to the average strength or intelligence of every other ‘race.’ By judging people as individuals, one could perhaps identify a (superior) socio-biological class which might be a cross section of all ‘races’ although not in equal proportion.”

    www.euvolution.com…

    1. Herge DegrelleHerge Degrelle

      Also, true “strength” is not necessarily what is favored by evolution.

      Nietzsche wrote:

      “Anti-Darwin.— What surprises me most when I survey the broad destinies of man is that I always see before me the opposite of that which Darwin and his school see or want to see today: selection in favor of the stronger, better-constituted, and the progress of the species. Precisely the opposite is palpable: the elimination of the lucky strokes, the uselessness of the more highly developed types, the inevitable dominion of the average, even the sub-average types. If we are not shown why man should be an exception among creatures, I incline to the prejudice that the school of Darwin has been deluded everywhere.

      [. . .] . . .the strongest and most fortunate are weak when opposed by organized herd instincts, by the timidity of the weak, by the vast majority. My general view of the world of values shows that it is not the lucky strokes, the select types, that have the upper hand in the supreme values that are today placed over mankind; rather it is the decadent types— [. . .]

      [. . .] If one translates reality into a morality, this morality is: the mediocre are worth more than the exceptions; the decadent forms more than the mediocre; the will to nothingness has the upper hand over the will to life—and the overall aim is, in Christian, Buddhist, Schopenhauerian terms: ‘better not to be than to be.’ [9]

      [. . .] That species represent any progress is the most unreasonable assertion in the world: so far they represent one level. That the higher organisms have evolved from the lower has not been demonstrated in one single case. I see how the lower preponderate through their numbers, their shrewdness, their cunning—I do not see how an accidental variation gives an advantage, at least not for so long a period; why an accidental change should grow so strong would be something else needing explanation. [10]

      [. . .] In summa: growth in the power of a species is perhaps guaranteed less by a preponderance of its children of fortune, of strong members, than by a preponderance of average and lower types— The latter possess great fruitfulness and duration; with the former comes an increase in danger, rapid wastage, speedy reduction in numbers.”

    2. ArmunnRighArmunnRigh

      Personally, I agree with most of it, although not entirely, Herge. The affinities one earns as a member of a win-win group (as you put it) emerge from constructive interaction, which leads to a culture unique to that “family”. Certainly families who live close to each other also find win-win accomodations to deal with each other, which also creates a culture of true and natural “diplomacy” (shared values that allow enough identification for a positive and respectful coexistence and interaction that benefits all involved).

      As I have stated before, most of the people who focus on a forceful separatism are aiming at replacing those in power, attaining a position of priviledge indeed. Most act and speak and behave like those they accuse. That’s the staged checkmate I fear ahead – that after the bloodthirst-appeasing massacre, the mentality that was once fought against would suddenly become enforced.

      «The hand of Vengeance found the Bed
      To which the Purple Tyrant fled
      The iron hand crushd the Tyrants head
      And became a Tyrant in his stead»
      – William Blake

      I would dare add, by my own hand, this:

      «Slay from the world all of the jackals,
      destroy them for all they’re due,
      for in the end we shall bear the shackles
      forged by the evil within you.»

    1. Herge DegrelleHerge Degrelle

      You’ve got to be kidding! A video by a guy linking to a book by a Jew named Lehmann and that admitted Israeli diamond merchant Eric Jon Phelps or “Mr. Vatican Assassins”? Who are you Charlie Sheen? Did you know that Charlie Sheen also claimed “Vatican Assassins” rule the world on the Alex Jones show? Sorry, pal, shilling for Jews with that Jesuit nonsense will get you no points, only a good laugh.

      1. Herge DegrelleHerge Degrelle

        Also, don’t forget that Hitler and the National Socialists booted the Jesuits straight out of Germany also and publicly called them “vermin.” Didn’t do them any good did it?

  3. DustyashDustyash

    In listening to the John Friend debate with the Mike Delaney hell bent for leather Jew bashing goof ball I can’t help but think there is far too many of us with so many opinions that it is a real shame that we as a society is going to hell in a hand basket. I know it sounds negative but why can’t we keep it simple it is actually disturbing to hear the conflict when we are all slaves in this mess. If Mike Delanay and his other hosts are not a controlled opposition he certainly behaves like one I mean honestly it really makes me wonder. Like creating a rabbit hole when you don’t have to just my thought help me if I am wrong. I can agree that Jews are possibly behind all of this PsyOp stuff but my god why is it so hard for them to understand that who ever it is they are doing good job at manipulating us through media fakery and we just need to recognize this deception for what it is. It is all about fearing us into submission it is as simple as “Out with the Cold War” “In with the War on Terror” What a joke! But these are just my thoughts I am just a slave no matter what happens anyway I just can only hope that sites like these that genuinely want to come to some solutions and calm down with rational conclusions will make a real difference with a serious attitude People often ask me what can we do about it well there are people like Ab that are demonstrating what to do whether big or small. It is a start in the right direction the question what they are not asking themselves is “What am I not doing about it”??? that is the sad thing.

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  5. UnrealUNreal

    The production of our false reality is of such immense proportions that only by analyzing an event like 9/11 we all understand this is done by a quite sizeable group of people.

    as Herge Degrelle points out, by looking at the american powerstructure in various fields it is quite easy to understand that the most organized and prevalent player in the powerstructure is…
    the jewish community. The conspiracy is incredibly widespread unfortunately, and we just have to be honest enough to call a duck a duck.
    these ducks are into it.
    their interrelation as jews surely helps them to get the job done, although there are surely more layers to discover beyond any group we think can identify as the information we possess is mostly produced and controlled, be it in stone, paper or on screen.

    so even if there are black venetians, jesuits and whoknowswho that partake in the foul reality we’ve been forced into, we should not forgive anyone of those taking part, we must give major blame to the jewish fraction and brotherhoods as they well deserve.
    while doing so, we do not have to set any venetian, jesuit or pope aside, just add them to the list…

    1. ArmunnRighArmunnRigh

      Indeed. There are no victims or unwilling chess pieces in the game. We should only remain aware that capturing a chess piece will do nothing to the player, even if it checkmates the King. Despite any of the groups not being the brains behind the strategy, they should be exposed to the consequence of their actions, I agree.

      I do also believe some of these pieces (executive groups) are being made to be offered as gambit for a checkmate event some time in the future – however, the player is certainly already preparing another chessboard to start a new game once the enthusiasm of such an endgame is played out and releases the steam accumulated in the people’s pressure cookers.

      No matter how many games are won or lost in the chessboard of perceived reality, the player will always live to play another day in some other board he conveniently prepares… unless people truly defeat inauthenticity within themselves, immunizing themselves from the lure of becoming pieces at the hands of the hidden player in the future. That, to me, is the only true escape from the cycle.

      1. UnrealUNreal

        as long as we continue playing within the rules of a game made to destroy us, i see the point.
        but the idea must be to make a clear stance and throw the game away along with its rules, creator and accessorys. so if we want to stop the cycle, we must not wait for a perfect moment to make a brilliant move, we just need to refuse playing.

        no game = game over

        1. ArmunnRighArmunnRigh

          And that is no more and no less than what I propose the sollution is. We must remove the game from within ourselves.

          It is not an easy task at all, but it is the only true sollution.

      2. Herge DegrelleHerge Degrelle

        “The enemy of a good plan is the dream of a perfect plan.” ? Carl von Clausewitz, “Vom Kriege”

        All civilization or wealth-&-health-creating human interaction of any real or lasting worth is based on a win-win dialectic, a voluntary association of humans of unequal abilities and talents, equal only in basic humanity (before the law). This system succeeds because it is based on a true premise, the inequality of individuals, in nature as well as access to nurture, to its best use. “Division of labor” works well because almost everyone you meet knows how to do at least one thing far better than you and is often also willing to do something you wouldn’t do for the same amount of compensation, either never or not at that point in your life.

        “Although men possess unequal powers, they nonetheless possess equal rights. Rights are not based on powers : because of the moral nature of justice, they are based on the fact that in each man the same will to live appears at the same stage of its objectivization. Yet this is valid only in respect of original and abstract rights, which man possesses as man. The property, likewise the honour which each man has acquired by means of his powers are in accordance with the measure and the nature of these powers and then extend to the sphere of his rights: it is here that equality therefore ceases. He who is better endowed or more active in this respect extends through his greater acquisitions, not his rights, but only the number of things to which they extend.”– Arthur Schopenhauer

        If we look a little deeper, we can also see that despite the fact that civilization is not even possible without the win-win dialectic being operative, almost all civilizations have not only developed as a combination of win-win and win-lose, as a struggle between the creators and the parasites, but will almost certainly always have some form of this eternal struggle to contend with. The point is NOT that the instinct of parasitism can be eliminated as a check upon immoderate virtue or too much health becoming a vice and viciousness of its own, but whether it is an artificially inflamed and deliberately spread parasitic infection made possible by the tool of weaponized narratives based on a deliberately perverted and weaponized language foundation that assigns even political incorrectness its own strictly outlined and often unsuspected dialectic.

        “Wealth is the number of forward days a given system is sustainable.”– Buckminster Fuller

        “It might be a basic characteristic of existence that those who would know it completely would perish, in which case the strength of spirit should be measured according to how much of the ‘truth’ one could still barely endure–or to put it more clearly, to what degree one would require it to be thinned down, shrouded, sweetened, blunted, falsified.” ~ FRIEDRICH NIETZSCHE, Beyond Good and Evil

        “The individual’s adherence to his group is ‘conscious’ because he is aware of it and recognizes it, but it is ultimately involuntary because he is trapped in a dialectic and in a group that leads him unfailingly to his adherence. His adherence is also ‘intellectual’ because he can express his conviction clearly and logically, but it is not genuine because the information, the data, the reasoning, that have led him to adherence to the group were themselves deliberately falsified in order to lead him there.” ~ Jacques Ellul – “Propaganda, The Formation of Men’s Attitudes”

        “It is not often possible to say of those acts that are called vices, that they really are vices, except in degree. That is, it is difficult to say of any actions, or courses of action, that are called vices, that they really would have been vices, if they had stopped short of a certain point. The question of virtue or vice, therefore, in all such cases, is a question of quantity and degree, and not of the intrinsic character of any single act, by itself. This fact adds to the difficulty, not to say the impossibility, of any one’s — except each individual for himself — drawing any accurate line, or anything like any accurate line, between virtue and vice — that is, of telling where virtue ends, and vice begins. And this is another reason why this whole question of virtue and vice should be left for each person to settle for himself.” — Lysander Spooner, “Vices Are Not Crimes, A Vindication Of Moral Liberty”

        lysanderspooner.org…

        All other things being equal, the more successfully the win-win program runs bug-free from the win-lose, the more wealth and health is created, which then serves as motivation for the parasites to refine their schemes to debase and plunder both. Indeed, the plunder of the wealth is made easier by the plundering of health and this is why you see fluoridation of water supplies, so many poisonous foods, harmful vaccines and pharmaceuticals, degenerate TV programs and degenerate art, etc.

        Western or European civilization, even in degeneracy and decline and overrun by parasites, still manages to practice enough win-win at home as opposed to parasite-directed win-lose in foreign countries, that it retains its attraction for other more win-lose-mired plunder-based cultures. The image of America and Europe promises the win-win dialectic of free-thought, free-choice and association and the pride of earned wealth-&-health, not welfare and hand-outs. The reality is that the deliberately promoted communistic pressure-group warfare win-lose dialectic which has long-since rotted the win-win of these cultures to the point of absurdity has learned to simply weaponize the previously earned image of the culture through mass-media communications, to attract misplaced loyalty, duty and patriotism from within and a flood of immigrants from without.

        Even the capable and non-criminal portion of these immigrants who would previously have assimilated out of necessity within a generation or two, are now rarely able to do so on the remnants of the culture’s divided-&-conquered rotting corpse, and simply add to its miseries and frustrations and bear the brunt of its abuse and letting-off-of-steam, so that little is left for the proper targets. This safety-valve for letting off steam is incorporated in all PsyOps and their weaponized narratives. Of course, these immigrants have no idea that all their frustrations have been anticipated with laws passed to encourage them NOT to assimilate and thus come into conflict with the host culture and arouse their ire.

        The job of any true collective ‘intelligence,’ (centralized or de-centralized but always voluntary in association and never coerced) born of tribal unity or more precisely, the proper balance restored between the individual and his tribe, now perverted into an extreme and neurotic individualism, is to identify and defend against all these usury-rooted-&-funded win-lose dialectic frauds within any geographic area of property owners wise enough to realize that the very wealth, health (one letter away from wealth), and prosperity of all of them is owed to the non-aggression principle and the win-win dialectic arising from this, and to switch this, at its base, to the win-lose of the predator is to jump directly back in the jungle and rot the very foundation of the edifice that sustains them above beasts.

        “It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become a prey to the active. The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt.” — John Philpot Curran: Speech upon the Right of Election for Lord Mayor of Dublin, 1790. (Speeches. Dublin, 1808.)

        If ‘democracy’ or the tyranny of the majority is simply substituted for ‘liberty’ which can only ever apply to individuals or no one at all, then by this simple action of constantly reinforced and psychically driven word-substitution, the entire narrative of ‘eternal vigilance’ is turned upon its head and becomes weaponized to come to mean defending the tyranny of the majority, its elected leaders and all its initiations of force against the non-aggression principle at all times. This is the absurd and deliberately engineered schizophrenic state of all civilized nations of the world today where the weaponized narrative works to accomplish in reality the exact opposite (win-lose dialectic) of what its adherents have been taught to THINK it’s accomplishing in abstraction: the discipline of freedom, its win-win dialectic, and the general goodwill that can only result from this discipline and no other.

        “Democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage.” — H. L. Mencken

  6. ab Post author

    This came into my mailbox:

    The biggest problem right now is not the NWO psyOPS. Its the false opposition plants channeling inexperienced truth seekers into Govt approved limited hangouts.
    www.prothink.org…

    The Prothink camp are suspected of being false-flag Federal Provocateurs on the same model as McVeigh and Nichols.
    jewishracism.blogspot.com…
    www.youtube.com…
    therealzcf.wordpress.com…

    Its funny to read about this debate because I was promoting Sept Clues since 2008 to Delaney and John Allan Martinson (future producers of 911 Missing Links) after which Delaney began ridiculing and accusing me of being a Jew. All the supposed anti-Zionists such as Bollyn, Ognir, Daryl Smith consistently stonewalled serious research to in favor of pre-planned truther psyOP diversions like the dancing Israelis and Silverstein confessions. I found the Govt psyOPS have a multi-layered protective buffer, a simplistic “Jew explanation” pre-built into every OP. If you make it past the 1st disinfo buffer (remote controlled planes + Israeli spy ring in parked vans) you will get assaulted by the juvenile SPLC Provocateur layer whose job is to shout you down and discourage any deeper investigation in favor of the approved simplistic explanation. 911 was planned very well by the best Think Tanks with built in disinformation redundancies infesting the internet to this minute.

    The original edition of Missing LInks even included a mockery of TV Fakery Research after I had talked with Delaney and showed him serious 911 resources to include. About 2010-2011, he went as far as to admit he had watched Sept Clues twice but “could not understand it” Somebody should forward this conversation to Simon Shack since I don’t have his email. Scott Roberts joined the Prothink team later on but was still prompted to review all the serious resources on TV Fakery and geocentrism.

    1. Blue MoonBlue Moon

      Jan-Erik: You mentioned a book on Ep. 78 by one Mark Lane that was listed as incredibly expensive on Amazon- What is the title? All I can find is the JFK Mark Lane-
      Thanks-

  7. farcevaluefarcevalue

    I see no upside to having any connection to or identification with ProThink. Many of the world’s problems resolve from the emphasis placed on abstractions: religion, statism, left, right, good, bad.

    There are only individuals behaving in particular ways. The key is to universalize. Stealing is bad, because it affirms and denies properties rights simultaneously. A label such as IRS, or USA, on the thief, does not change this.

    Fraud and fakery confirm and deny reality simultaneously. Until the specific identities of the operators who are pushing the play buttons, crafting the stories and giving orders to carry them out are known, there is nothing to be gained from leveling accusations at a “culture” or “race”, when neither of these exist in reality.

    There is undoubtedly a large number of individuals in this particular cult, race or what have you, that is often the target of accusations, who are as unfamiliar with nature of these hoaxes as everyone else.

    The object should always be assisting others in recognizing the difference between reality and fakery, that latter of which can include all sorts of abstractions, as well as manipulated media and fabricated events.

    1. ab Post author

      I think this is an excellent comment and really the basis of (what I think) my research strives for. Call in early and we can discuss this.

    2. Herge DegrelleHerge Degrelle

      This was a totally pre-framed debate, especially from the plane-huggers’ side. I can’t believe that Tom-in-CT & JF even agreed to this without strict ground-rules.

      They were really arguing JF and Tom-in-CT’s loyalty to the WN cause for hanging around Simon-Shack and the No-Planers and their “not naming the wider Jew agenda behind the front-liner Jews busted in connection to 9-11,” not the validity of the media-fakery modus-operandi itself.

      The only good insight coming from the plane-hugging side was that the “everything is fake” road is another witting or unwitting shillery to convince people that “It’s the Jews” is also a PsyOp by the ever-present mysterious entities of the conspiracy-hobbyist community and “it’s not so bad to be tyrannized by Jews 24 hours a day and submit to their endless lies since they didn’t kill 3000 people on 9-11.” and that “since Jews did not kill 3000 people on 9-11, then they actually care about the goyim and would never harm them if they could avoid it.” Also that the domination is only “financial” and not paid for by blood.

      However, these guys are missing the point. It is the media-fakery modus operandi that has proven to be the primary means of making possible the MAXIMUM blood payments, the sucking of blood and life and soul, drop by drop, as surely as the sun shines every morning, from billions of human beings adding up to billions of gallons instead of the absolutely insignificant amount of blood of the 3000 spared in exchange for it. The “sparing” was purely pragmatic and not reflective of any moral misgivings, since they would rather suck the blood of billions much more effectively than ritually sacrifice a mere 3000.

      This debate should have been moderated by a fifth guy, strictly limited to the “how” with each guy talking solo for 15 minutes each. Then a 3 minute back and forth for each of the 4 guys. Only after all that was done should they have had a free-for-all for another 10 minutes to say that

      It’s hilarious to hear the plane-hugging guys declare repeatedly how the “how” isn’t important, only the “who,” when the “how” is obviously very important to them, since they stubbornly and bitterly push their own “how,” given to them by the alternative-media branch of Zionist-occupied-government enemy-propaganda, courtesy of Alex Jones and Loose Change and Christopher Bollyn. It is only when the “how” has debunked their “how” when it isn’t imporant any more! LOL

      This “how,” as anyone with half-a-brain knows has been used in many PsyOps before and after 9-11 (like the holohoax and the moon-hoax, Sandy Hook, Boston Marathon, etc.) and not just on 9-11. It’s even more hilarious that one of the plane-huggers kept proclaiming “If I’m wrong, I’ll be the first to admit it” while stubbornly refusing to admit even a single “wrong” of his plane-hugging side no matter how obviously wrong. All he finally conceded was that there might be “some” media-fakery but that doesn’t mean that the most obvious fakery (the planes) was fake. LOL

      The media-fakery method has identified the criminals and even the group-loyalties of the criminals (see below) and the bankers who move all the pieces on the chessboard. No, there are no “shadow” off-chessboard entities and Invisible Men, and those who profess such nonsense are psychologically engaged in pulling exactly the same trick that David Icke pulls with & his Reptilians and Alex Jones pulls with his it’s “every elite group combined and no-one group at top” when he’s not pulling the Knights of Malta and Germanic Death Cults out of his behind. Are the bankers invisible men or reptilian shape-shifters? Nope. They are Rothschilds, Warburgs, Goldman Sachs, Israel Moses of Seif Banks Italy, Kuhn-Loeb, Lazard Freres, Lehman Brothers, Rockefeller, etc. obviously do not have a shred of German loyalty or English loyalty either since they also belong to the wonderful philanthropic tribe-of-the-109-deportations.

      THE PRIVATELY-OWNED FEDERAL RESERVE BANK is run by:

      1) Ben S. Bernanke: Chairman of the Board of Governors of Federal Reserve. Term ends 2020.

      2) Donald L. Kohn: Vice Chairman of the Board of Governors of Federal Reserve. Term ends 2016.

      3) Randall S. Kroszner: Member of Board of Governors of Federal Reserve.

      4) Frederic S. Mishkin: Member of Board of Governors of Federal Reserve. Term ends 2014.

      5) Alan Greenspan: Advisor to Board of Governors of Federal Reserve. Recent Chairman.

      See any English or Danish names there?

      @”Until the specific identities of the operators who are pushing the play buttons, crafting the stories and giving orders to carry them out are known, there is nothing to be gained from leveling accusations at a ‘culture’ or ‘race,’ when neither of these exist in reality.”

      The specific identities of all the main operational perps are known well enough and have been for quite some time:

      Steven Rosenbaum – Camera Planet
      Larry Silverstein
      Alvin Hallerstein
      Kenneth Feinberg
      Joel Meryerowitz
      Matt Lauer
      Rick Leventhal

      What do all these people have in common? They’re not Mexican, English, Irish or Italian. They’re not “Germanic Death Cults” either.

      Shack has mentioned them by name both on his forum and on audios. So why are you trying to pretend that that there are no identified operational perps? Both their names and their ethnicity/group-loyalty has been identified.

      And who’s Diane Sawyer of ABC married to? The well-known Hollywood director Mike Nichols, another tribe member.

      The percentage of influence of this tribe in the media itself and such is also not just openly admitted but provable with names and photos of the people at each position of influence. These bosses give all the orders to someone like the $40 million a year salaried Katie Couric, whose job it is to spread big-lies to the public, who have come to accept them as almost part of their families, since they are in their living rooms every day:

      Who Controls America ? List Summaries (latest revised friggin’ edition) :

      thezog.info…

      [quote]

      Who runs Hollywood? C’mon

      December 19, 2008|JOEL STEIN

      articles.latimes.com…

      I have never been so upset by a poll in my life. Only 22% of Americans now believe “the movie and television industries are pretty much run by Jews,” down from nearly 50% in 1964. The Anti-Defamation League, which released the poll results last month, sees in these numbers a victory against stereotyping. Actually, it just shows how dumb America has gotten. Jews totally run Hollywood.

      How deeply Jewish is Hollywood? When the studio chiefs took out a full-page ad in the Los Angeles Times a few weeks ago to demand that the Screen Actors Guild settle its contract, the open letter was signed by: News Corp. President Peter Chernin (Jewish), Paramount Pictures Chairman Brad Grey (Jewish), Walt Disney Co. Chief Executive Robert Iger (Jewish), Sony Pictures Chairman Michael Lynton (surprise, Dutch Jew), Warner Bros. Chairman Barry Meyer (Jewish), CBS Corp. Chief Executive Leslie Moonves (so Jewish his great uncle was the first prime minister of Israel), MGM Chairman Harry Sloan (Jewish) and NBC Universal Chief Executive Jeff Zucker (mega-Jewish). If either of the Weinstein brothers had signed, this group would have not only the power to shut down all film production but to form a minyan with enough Fiji water on hand to fill a mikvah.

      The person they were yelling at in that ad was SAG President Alan Rosenberg (take a guess). The scathing rebuttal to the ad was written by entertainment super-agent Ari Emanuel (Jew with Israeli parents) on the Huffington Post, which is owned by Arianna Huffington (not Jewish and has never worked in Hollywood.)

      The Jews are so dominant, I had to scour the trades to come up with six Gentiles in high positions at entertainment companies. When I called them to talk about their incredible advancement, five of them refused to talk to me, apparently out of fear of insulting Jews. The sixth, AMC President Charlie Collier, turned out to be Jewish.

      As a proud Jew, I want America to know about our accomplishment. Yes, we control Hollywood. Without us, you’d be flipping between “The 700 Club” and “Davey and Goliath” on TV all day.

      So I’ve taken it upon myself to re-convince America that Jews run Hollywood by launching a public relations campaign, because that’s what we do best. I’m weighing several slogans, including: “Hollywood: More Jewish than ever!”; “Hollywood: From the people who brought you the Bible”; and “Hollywood: If you enjoy TV and movies, then you probably like Jews after all.”

      I called ADL Chairman Abe Foxman, who was in Santiago, Chile, where, he told me to my dismay, he was not hunting Nazis. He dismissed my whole proposition, saying that the number of people who think Jews run Hollywood is still too high. The ADL poll, he pointed out, showed that 59% of Americans think Hollywood execs “do not share the religious and moral values of most Americans,” and 43% think the entertainment industry is waging an organized campaign to “weaken the influence of religious values in this country.”

      That’s a sinister canard, Foxman said. “It means they think Jews meet at Canter’s Deli on Friday mornings to decide what’s best for the Jews.” Foxman’s argument made me rethink: I have to eat at Canter’s more often.

      “That’s a very dangerous phrase, ‘Jews control Hollywood.’ What is true is that there are a lot of Jews in Hollywood,” he said. Instead of “control,” Foxman would prefer people say that many executives in the industry “happen to be Jewish,” as in “all eight major film studios are run by men who happen to be Jewish.”

      But Foxman said he is proud of the accomplishments of American Jews. “I think Jews are disproportionately represented in the creative industry. They’re disproportionate as lawyers and probably medicine here as well,” he said. He argues that this does not mean that Jews make pro-Jewish movies any more than they do pro-Jewish surgery. Though other countries, I’ve noticed, aren’t so big on circumcision.

      I appreciate Foxman’s concerns. And maybe my life spent in a New Jersey-New York/Bay Area-L.A. pro-Semitic cocoon has left me naive. But I don’t care if Americans think we’re running the news media, Hollywood, Wall Street or the government. I just care that we get to keep running them.”

      Let’s repeat that last sentence for the really thick-headed witting or unwitting shills out there:

      “But I don’t care if Americans think we’re running the news media, Hollywood, Wall Street or the government. I just care that we get to keep running them.”

      [quote]

      Jews DO control the media

      by Elad Nehorai

      The one-stop news site
      covering Israel, the region and
      the Jewish people worldwide

      Founding editor:
      David Horovitz

      davidhorovitz.com…

      “We’ve created entire organizations that exist just to tell everyone that the Jews don’t control nothin’. No, we don’t control the media, we don’t have any more sway in DC than anyone else. No, no, no, we swear: We’re just like everybody else!

      Let’s be honest with ourselves, here, fellow Jews. We do control the media. We’ve got so many dudes up in the executive offices in all the big movie production companies it’s almost obscene. Just about every movie or TV show, whether it be “Tropic Thunder” or “Curb Your Enthusiasm,” is rife with actors, directors, and writers who are Jewish. Did you know that all eight major film studios are run by Jews?”

      “The time has come, though. We no longer have to change our names. We no longer have to blend in like chameleons. We own a whole freaking country.”

      entire article over here (bring your barf bag):

      blogs.timesofisrael.com…

      www.chabad.org…

      Flashback: BBC – Zionists Pointing Fingers on 911 –

      One the evening of 9/11, a number of Zionist Jews (including Richard Perle and Ehud Barak) and their puppets got on BBC and pointed to Osama bin Laden before an investigation even took place

      www.youtube.com…

      Report: Netanyahu says 9/11 terror attacks good for Israel
      According to Ma’ariv, Netanyahu said Israel is ‘benefiting from attack’ as it ‘swung American public opinion.’

      www.haaretz.com…

      NSA’s Jewish Spy Masters

      www.youtube.com…

      Do I need to go on?

      The facts of media-fakery are undeniable but so are the rest of these facts.

      The time for endless conspiracy-hobbyism and “everything-is-fakism” and “let-us-go-chase-off-chessboard-ghosts” nonsense has been over for a long time.

      Start sweeping.

      But maybe you know you can’t and you sense your complete impotence and hence why it’s easier to point to ghosts and “mysterious” off-shore and off-chessboard powers with their ever-present suckers of the 109-deportations doing all their work for them.

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