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  1. UnrealUNreal

    All historical chronology before 1700 is an artificial product of the Catholic church, which based by its creation on numerology, not on the real information about the life of folks of the Mediterranean region
    This is on a worldwidescale. All History is written here in Europe.

    @Curious:

    agree that the foundation of our current civilisation was made in Europe at its conception. the “scriptorium” is clearly where much of the material has been conceived, but if the bible and new testament are merely vehicles of deception created quite recently (16th century ?), what is the true nature of the church and who really is behind this institution ?

    also, the original power structure, would it be the same today as at the point of origin, and even so, why would they still be in the same location(s) ?

    1. Curious

      @Unreal

      agree that the foundation of our current civilisation was made in Europe at its conception. the “scriptorium” is clearly where much of the material has been conceived, but if the bible and new testament are merely vehicles of deception created quite recently (16th century ?), what is the true nature of the church and who really is behind this institution ?

      According to A.T. Fomenko Joh. Evan. was created first.
      That aside. The scriptures as we know it are based on the Kab.= Numerologie. + pieces of hidden History in it. But History which happened in Europe, according to Dr. Pfister and “Tuisto “. The Paulus Ep. are probably written in de late 1870’s or around that time.
      The true nature of what has become of the church is explained very well by Kevin Annett. All religions are corporations = tax free. It is a part of the , yep give it a name. = deception. So draw your own conclusion. As I have told before, a religion is used as a vehicle for breaking up the bond which one has to have with animals and plants = breaking up society. It brings nothing and cann’t bring nothing because everything is based on false promises and characterass. + a lot of fearmongering. They forced it upon on us with violence etc. and not that long ago. Jeroen Bosch lived exactly in that timeperiod in which they forged that religion on us. See for this Uwe Topper.
      The powerstructure? This is extremely complicated. Here are a.o. Venetian families involved. It are the same families who are involved in the big banks etc. So I keep here the distance.

      also, the original power structure, would it be the same today as at the point of origin, and even so, why would they still be in the same location(s) ?

      What is the point of origin? Why came Darwin up with his evolution? As there was a powerstruggle he wanted to proof by pseudoscience the struggle for life, right of the strongest, most clever one. What he wanted to do is to proof by pseudoscience that you can do and permitted to do to come into power and keeping the power.
      A religion is used not only for the brainwashing the people, but more important to making and keeping them quiet and flexible + the hughe amount of money which is pouring in, for which they don’t have to pay tax.
      Those families who are in power are international and live international.

      The whole shit began when they had secured how to make their weapenry safe for use. So the riffles, guns etc. That is not that long ago. The first American fortress which could protect itself for canonballs was build in 1725. After 1858 the developpement of weaponry went very quick. See for this Max Taylor Gatto. ( He is also on Youtube),

      Another fact: the most great bankers: Warburg’s, Schiff’s, Rothschild’s etc have their origins in Germany. Also something to think about.

      1. UnrealUNreal

        @Curious

        i’ll try to look more into the most probable dates of the writing of the bible. what is very interesting in contrast to this information is the fact that Joseph Atwill pins the creation of these text to an Egyptian influential family on the behalf of the romans, without making any reservations about revising the historical dates of neither Jesus not the romans. Atwill has acknowledged being trained in a jesuit school in Japan as a child.

        if the bible and the fictious history timeline were both made using the a form of kabalah it might be poossible they would be the same system or systems logic ?

        on the subject of the church, i’m not sure i’ll entrust any “ex” priest with any degree of confidence. in fact, we are again talking fear-mongering and archeology in the form of digging up ancient bones. i’m very sceptic about fearmongering and using children for painting horrendous pictures of sex and death. i consider religious characters as the secret services: there is no retirement age, you will always be ‘on service’.
        another point i feel is mute is the “no tax” argument. as i agree the same group of characters controls the religions and money, taxation and funding is not anything these people worry about. on the contrary, they are more working to have the common man’s money supply limited. from the “Canonum De Ius Rex” in vigor in England 1582-1917

        Canon 6629 (link)
        The core strength of Commonwealth Law Form as a sovereign system of control is the continued unique manipulation of the mind of those at each and every core level of society:

        (i) At the lowest level of the worker, the pauper control is achieved by making all commodities essential to survival controlled by trade, market price and the availability of money. The generation of money is then controlled by placing a meager value on work so survival is by subsistence, so the focus of the worker and pauper is on survival and not organized revolt or rebellion; and

        (ii) At the level of the trader, merchant and entrepreneur control is achieved through patronage as acceptance to the elite (lower rungs of peers) and through the prospect of making fortunes through the exploitation of the poor and extortion of other traders; and

        (iii) At the level of the professional clerks, military and administrators, control is achieved through discipline and reward for enforcement against traders and the rebellious poor, with cyclical promotion of persecutions to maintain base levels of fear and obedience; and

        (iv) At the level of nobles and bankers, control is achieved by privilege, great wealth and threat of loss if disobedient; and

        (v) At the level of the monarch, control is achieved by periodic sacrifice of not only a king or queen, but the entire family line wiped from history by the military orders and enforcers of the Venetian – Pisan families of the “State of the Sea”.

        by Jeroen Bosch, you refer to the dutch painter i assume ? so according to his official dates, religion would have been forcefully introduced around 1460 ? quite close to Martin Luther for northern europe,,,
        some of Bosch paintings do have intriguing titles, like “The Adoration of the Magi”. from reading on Wikipedia, Bosch married into a wealthy family who gave him a house and land in Oirschot. Bosch’s death was established according to a record from ‘the Brotherhood of Our Lady’,, might Hieronymus Bosch have been a freemason ?

        interesting you tie the take-over of society to the evolution of weaponry which places what i called “the point of origin” or ‘takeover’ by the powers at be much closer to us than the 2000 years i believed in before…
        by ‘Max Taylor Gatto’ you might alude to John Taylor Gatto who is very relevant regarding our forced education and that compulsory education originates from Preussia (todays Germany). i have not seen specific writings fom Gatto on weapons in particular, more that Gatto considers education the ultimate weapon (brainwashing in other words).

        are you sure all the names you mention would go all the way back to the “Venetian – Pisan” families of the ‘State of the Sea’ kabal ? wouldn’t those entities seem to be better hidden ?

  2. UnrealUNreal

    I think the following comment, found on the wild heretics site, apply equally to this site

    @anounceofsaltperday:

    i don’t put any credibility to “Lord Steven Christ” nor should you imo, he is evidently a gatekeeper.

    1. UnrealUNreal

      @anounceofsaltperday

      in regards to keeping the plan intact over long periods of time, Curious has posted a very interesting link to an article about the chronology of history:

      A chronological revolution made by historical analytics

      if we re-examine history with awareness of forgery and with a critical mind, we might find that the time periods we speak of are much less extensive. i’m in agreement with Christoph Pfister who do not assume any history earlier than the 17th century to be reliable.
      so, the plans elaborated might not span as far back as we are led to believe, and Babylon might be more a fiction than a fact, just as the chinese wall was probably made in the 20th century.

      as to who “they” are, my best guest would be the families tied to the most secretive fraternal orders who would dictate the workings of groups like the Jesuits. i think it is family business more than religious business.

      @Curious: thanks for the links to the alternative research in english, i’ve read all the english papers and am looking for more publications around Dr. Pfister’s work

      1. anounceofsaltperday

        I completely agree with your view on the time periods.

        My question is more concerned with how the plan is kept so vigorous? Do you have specific families in mind, e.g. DGB names the Greenburg family?

        Do you have the view that the lifespans of the family members are the standard three score and twenty?

        1. UnrealUNreal

          @anounceofsaltperday:

          i’m not convinced of DGB as i’ve stated before, i believe his research to be misleading and to discredit serious investigation into the subject by DBA.

          concerning the Greenberg family, these entities would be actors at best and not at the heart of the real control structure which would be hidden for obvious reasons of control and deniability.

          regarding lifespans, i’m open to that knowledge of such matters is kept secret from the general population and that the power-structure would likely apply such wisdom as to stay in the game for much longer than the average mislead common man. how long a human body would function under optimal condition is very difficult to say, i’d speculate about 150 years in average with advanced knowledge and discipline.

          Thomas Parr, 1483 – 1635

          1. anounceofsaltperday

            I think the following comment, found on the wild heretics site, apply equally to this site

            R.E. May 15, 2015 at 6:26 pm
            “Cluesforum’s Simon Shack saw an Italian video of an expose on one of their space station actornauts. She told the interviewer her age and when she joined the space academy. It was worked out that she must have been 24 when she joined the academy to be an astronaut. Turns out the age limit on joining the academy is 22 years old. Lol.”

            I saw that. The inside of the Italian “spacecraft” looked like a teenager’s bedroom. It even had a sign up stating their supposed travel speed. Haha. Cluesforum has some good posts, but it’s becoming more apparent that its function is to prevent the dwindling number of savvy people from unmasking the WHO and the WHY: the magic makers don’t care if you know everything is a lie, but they don’t want you to know the specific motivation of our overlords nor do they want us to know which families are involved and their real names. They can’t have that because it instantly empowers us and disempowers them. The two vulnerable spots for a trickster is their true identity and their true motivation. Once one or both of those are known, it’s over for them and they know it.

            The skycentric model hits too close to their true motivation (concealing the true model of our universe). Research that seeks to identify these families in charge (the ones who act many different roles through the ages and are fiercely loyal to their hidden agenda) is sneered at on Cluesforum, because, I strongly suspect, it is the job of one or more people behind that site. to steer readers away from the truth which they already know.

            You’ll notice that the thread goes sour on CF if the discussion heads that way – the real WHO or the real WHY. Talk about anything else, just not that.

        2. Curious

          @ Unreal
          Noticed, that you have read the stuff.

          The so-called great religions are the footsoldiers for breaking up the ties which one has to have with animals and plants. Everything is about denaturing the human beiïng. The knowledge which one has to have for building health and maintaining health in mother’s free nature , and living in symbiose, they have taking it away from us for making us dependent on their system, which is BS.

          1. UnrealUNreal

            @Curious:

            yes, i’ve read the articles in english, they are very informative on the scope of research that has been done previously and also describes the current researchers that question the official time-line. right now i feel that Christoph Pfister’s point of view makes the most sense:

            All historical chronology before 1700 is an artificial product of the Catholic church, which based by its creation on numerology, not on the real information about the life of folks of the Mediterranean region

          2. Curious

            All historical chronology before 1700 is an artificial product of the Catholic church, which based by its creation on numerology, not on the real information about the life of folks of the Mediterranean region

            This is on a worldwidescale. All History is written here in Europe.

    2. Curious

      “They ” are the families who have the “real”power. That time period is not that long. Couple of hundreds of years. We are short termin thinkers, they look over the generations and that makes a hudge difference.
      Look after the websites, which I have put up.

  3. UnrealUNreal

    @Curious

    sorry to hear about your accident. maybe you can start a thread in the Forum ?
    what is your opinion the age of our civilisation as we know it today?
    do you believe earth is younger than we are told or that older history than the official fairytale is just silenced ?

    you are right to correct me !
    i wrote “fake” whereas these structures exists so the right term should probably be “forged” in the sense that their narrative is fake as well as their age. my bad.

    regarding the manipulation of history through forged monuments, i find it most interesting to establish a list of the “greatest hits” so to speak. the Egyptian pyramids and Sphinx represent a big one for me as i for the longest time admired these “unbuildable” structures from the far distant past as narrated by the likes of Robert Duvall, Hancock and the whole Megalithomania crew,,,, Michael Cremo would probably be working for the same scenario and handlers ? or is there “real” ancient history untold to the masses ?

    1. Curious

      what is your opinion the age of our civilisation as we know it today?

      Once somebody else asked me the same question. I gave him the answer: if you think that the civilisation is not older than 2000 years you simply cann’t prove it. But nobody can prove you wrong to.
      I do believe that mankind. animals and plants are the visible part from the underlying matrix.

      regarding the manipulation of history through forged monuments, i find it most interesting to establish a list of the “greatest hits” so to speak. the Egyptian pyramids and Sphinx represent a big one for me as i for the longest time admired these “unbuildable” structures from the far distant past as narrated by the likes of Robert Duvall, Hancock and the whole Megalithomania crew,,,, Michael Cremo would probably be working for the same scenario and handlers ? or is there “real” ancient history untold to the masses ?

      What is a forged monument? Akropolis in Athene was a former Turkish fortress. To gave it an “ancient”look they took a tower away and some more modifications ( Dr. Pfister: Die Matrix der alten Geschichte, good foto’s, before and after the äncient”look.) Spfinks idem. To gave it an “ancient” look, they shot the “nose”away.

      Very interesting material has: www.forschung-fischerprivat.de/… go to: Schräge und andere Architektur -> Schräge Türme etc.
      That man has a lot of good stuff. Spend some time on his webside, look after his material and you will start realizing that we are all very nicely fooled. The building of the great structures, they could do when they invented the socalled cement and that is not that long ago.

        1. UnrealUNreal

          @Curious

          Google chrome’s translations surely does not make the Geschichte Chronologie website justice. i’m not quite able to understand their numerology and astonomy angle. it would be great if you could explain Tuisto’s theory and his view on the alternative model to our current dating.

          i’m quite interested in pinning down the alternative history behind the great pyramid of Egypt an the Sphinx, what are your points of view on this topic ?
          a forum thread on the subject as to reference the sources and theories currently known would be interesting.

          reflecting on the corner-stones of our official history, i feel logical that the ‘Nutwork’ in charge would not have put the pyramid on the dollar bill if they weren’t involved. or more to the point: the freemasons could be behind the Pyramid mythology as a whole.

          and thanks for your compliment Curious, much appreciated. speaking is intimidating to me, but i’ll overcome my fears whenever you/others find it worth a listen.

          1. Curious

            @UNreal,
            Alas, due to my own situation I cann’t be a much help for you., but I will try to bring you on the right track.
            Go to:de.geschichte-chronologie.de/… and then on the top click on “Startseite” On your right hand you will notice the several topics. In the moment “Tuisto” : Neue Erkenntnisse zur Jesuskonstruktion. Here you will have to start The whole thing is so extremely complicated that it is impossible for me and also other people who are coming on that forum to come to a good understanding let alone for telling it after. That level is simply to high.
            But on top you will see some more topics, click on it, the rest will follow suit.

            Google chrome’s translations surely does not make the Geschichte Chronologie website justice. i’m not quite able to understand their numerology and astonomy angle. it would be great if you could explain Tuisto’s theory and his view on the alternative model to our current dating.

            Tuisto has covered up their dating which is artifically created. It is based on the Caballah sytem and much more to it. The AD dating is not that old. A couple of hundred years.

            i’m quite interested in pinning down the alternative history behind the great pyramid of Egypt an the Sphinx, what are your points of view on this topic ?

            This is very difficult to say. Probably it was used or also used as a initiation rituel for the Freemasonery.

            a forum thread on the subject as to reference the sources and theories currently known would be interesting.

            The main sources are:de.geschichte-chronologie.de/…
            www.forschung-fischerprivat.de/… -> links -> the rest is coming up. Especially Uwe Topper who wrote several important books.
            You have to come to the understanding that this all very specialistic work and have to start reading the stuff.
            A.T Fomenko has also his own website.

            reflecting on the corner-stones of our official history, i feel logical that the ‘Nutwork’ in charge would not have put the pyramid on the dollar bill if they weren’t involved. or more to the point: the freemasons could be behind the Pyramid mythology as a whole.

            Freemasons are used as a vehicle, as every system is used as a vehicle. So it is the people who are behind the Freemasons. Go back in time and you will see that the socalled History was written in the monasteries. In front the Jesuits: Scaliger, Calvisius,Petavius.
            History before 1600AD A.T.Fomenko, or 1700AD Dr.Pfister is a complete fabrication. Maybe top Skull and Bones or top Freemasons there will be some knowledge, but how much?

            So, you have to look after it yourself. which will cost you some trouble and time.

  4. UnrealUNreal

    @Curious

    thanks for the link. an image is worth a thousand words,,
    my german is not very good, but the chapter on “Gussbau” contain very interesting examples of how ancient civilisations carved mountains in a widespread fashion. it is probably hard for us today to relate to such proceedings, but the method of carving geological material to give it a built shape allows for massive “constructions” in appearance and dispenses for the tools we would need today to build such buildings from scratch.

    another example from the region of Egypt/Judea, are the stone carvings of the Edomites. pictured below, Petra is still today regarded as one of the architectural marvels of the ancient world,,

    But as with the pyramids, there might just be a slight problem with Petra too,,, The site remained unknown until 1812, when it was introduced by explorer Johann Ludwig Burckhardt and described as “a rose-red city half as old as time”,,, really ? half as old as time, yet unseen until 1812 ?

    1. Curious

      @Unreal

      This whole thing is probably not older than 500 or 600 years. The link I gave you, that man discovered as an outsider that mountains and lakes are manmade. Study that website carefully, it will be an eye-opener. Although of course, you don’t have to agree with him. I happen to know the material from J. Davidovits.
      Give you another example : the Italian city Rome, yes with the Vatican, is build after AD 1500. Source A.T. Fomenko and Dr. Pfister.
      So the whole thing is a hughe hoax as well. Yep, Ünreal” we have been and are very nicely fooled.

      1. UnrealUNreal

        @Curious

        we are very nicely fooled indeed !

        regarding Fomenko, in my view he has some valid points but bases his findings on astronomy which means the Universe model which i believe is fraudulent as well.

        that Rome was “invented” as an ancient city is very interesting, Chris Kendall has spoken on this subject as well. what proofs and evidence are the strongest for this case ?

        i do recommend listening to Florian Diacu who proposes a more varied approach than Fomenko:
        www.redicecreations.com…

        1. Curious

          that Rome was “invented” as an ancient city is very interesting, Chris Kendall has spoken on this subject as well. what proofs and evidence are the strongest for this case ?

          The material which is used and drawings.
          Go to:
          www.dillum.ch/… and try to use the translator.
          www.forschung-fischerprivat.de/… CLick on links and you will find more.
          de.geschichte-chronologie.de/…

          Some links, but I do think you have to use the translator.

          F. Diacu is not good.

          There is a small group[ of people around A.T. Fomenko, and he considers everything before 1600AD in the dark. Is a complete construction. But he has the honour for the breaktrhough. He could defenitely prove, that the so-called ancient history is a complete construction. written in the 16 a 17 century.
          Then there is another small group around Dr. Pfister, who considers everything before around 1700 AD is faked. So fully unknown.
          Here you have to study the material, which will give you some trouble, because a lot is in the German language.
          Personelly Iam a fan of Dr. Pfister and last but not least Herr Fischer.

          1. UnrealUNreal

            @Curious

            translating with Chrome is quite a hassle, but i find the de.geschichte-chronologie.de…website very good.

            it would be very interesting if you could hook up on Teamspeak with Ab (or any other member me included) to share (in english!) your insight and research on the aspects of contrived chronology and archeology. in my view, we have fake Giza pyramids & sphinx in Egypt, Teotihuacan pyramids in Mexico, Petra in Jordan, Superhenge & Stonehenge in the UK, Pompeii & possibly parts of Rome in Italy,,, your list might be far longer though !

            have the feeling that the church/monks have been writing fairytales behind their “scriptoriums” for a long while… so much for “Christian” researchers who believe in the bible or “new” testament,,,

          2. Curious

            it would be very interesting if you could hook up on Teamspeak with Ab (or any other member me included) to share (in english!) your insight and research on the aspects of contrived chronology and archeology. in my view, we have fake Giza pyramids & sphinx in Egypt, Teotihuacan pyramids in Mexico, Petra in Jordan, Superhenge & Stonehenge in the UK, Pompeii & possibly parts of Rome in Italy,,, your list might be far longer though !

            Alas, I cann’t hook up with Teamspeak, because I do have a braindamage due to vacc. and heavy accident aboard ship. Worked as a shipengineer.
            Talking is very problematic for me.

            Archeologie, carbondating etc. is bunk. See for this the first book from A.T. Fomenko.
            The best there is as an introduction: Dr. C. Pfister: Die Matrix der alten Geschichte. Eine Einführung in die Geschichts- und Chronologiekritik.
            The main culprits for this socalled old History is the work from: Scaliger, Calvisius and Petavius. I can add to it that all the socalled ” old” history is written by the same group of people, included religious and so-called sacred text”s. They are written down here in Europe ( also the so-called Vedic texts etc., because on all those texts do have as basis the numerologie. See for this: Tuisto on de.geschichte-chronologie.de/…
            Those pyramids etc. are NOT fake, what we are told is BS. One has to learn history to put you on the wrong track and keep you on the wrong track. Everything turns about denaturing of the human beïng, building up a totally false matrix and compartimentalization. So they can do what they want to do with you. That’s the whole clou.

            History and those socalled religious books are written down in the monastries and not so long ago, max. 400 years even shorter.

            Greetings out of Holland.

  5. Curious

    Hi,

    First a hughe thanks to Ab for excepting me as a member.

    The pyramids are build between 1200 and 1600 AD. Source: A. T. Fomenko: History: Fiction or Science? Especially part 3. Which is translated into the English language. You can find it on Amazon.com…

  6. UnrealUNreal


    One of the biggest and longest running myths of modern archaeology might very well be the “great” pyramid of Giza. In fact, the PRC are quite prolific in their culture production and upon questioning the hidden meaning of the pyramid on the dollar bill, it seems quite plausible they use such printed paper to illustrate their biggest achievements, amongst which the Giza pyramid most probably figure.

    It doesn’t help much that the recent discovery of “Superhenge” closely follows the recently highlighted fake aspects of the original “Henge” aka Stonehenge.

    Giza Pyramid Video:

    Superhenge article:
    www.livescience.com…

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