AC0353-Napoleon, John Le Bon

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Discussing the big fight. JLB announces his sabbatical until 11/21.

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  1. UnrealUNreal

    Sport is in its professional sense part of major public performances and constitute one of the most potent arenas for various sorts of propaganda. In order to create maximum attention and excitement around sports events, we must suspect the Elite to make full use of all the tricks in the book.

    In selling the game of boxing, it seems the most potent ingredients are danger, sweat, blood and ultimately – death. It is difficult to avoid that one of the main attractions of boxing is the element of severe bodily harm, which in many cases have been proven to have been artificially staged with numerous cases of athletes ‘diving‘ and where knock-outs happen in the absence of any significant blows.

    It might be interesting to examine exactly how skilled craftsmen can stage such convincing performances – but we must realise it is a fact that some boxing fights have been fixed and planned in advance. A very basic observation is of course that there is a very limited number of spectators that actually can be close enough to the ring to actually see the fighters up close, and that the real testimony of boxing fights reside in the postgame production of film and images we know can be cut and pasted to suit any storyline. High profile boxing gigs are in addition plentiful with Elite celebrities on all the best seats – which is a good guarantee preventing overly critical eyes to get a good close objective look.

    If we take a step back and reflect on the underlying reinforcing narrative of boxing – what comes to mind is danger and death. It seems logical that a great deal of effort is concentrated on making the sport appear haphazardly dangerous – and what speaks more of danger than… death ? If boxing is fixed, then Elite clearly will have to produce additional fearporn to excite the audience and garner public attention – dead boxers sure have hit the headlines pretty often and these athletes always seem to die off camera in some obscure hospital in the days after the fight. Yes, it is arguable these are always legitimate deaths, but not probable if the fix is in.

    There might well be a Dead Athlete’s Program (DAP) just as there seems to be Dead Celebrity Program (DCP). I’ll even go out on a limb here and predict we’ll find hoaxed deaths in professional boxing fixtures as this both fit the ‘dangerous‘ boxing script, and constitutes the general modus operandi of the Elite.

    The Manuel Velazquez Boxing Fatality Collection (list here)
    (the data suggests there are over 900 deaths resulting from professional boxing matches)
    ejmas.com…

  2. UnrealUNreal

    If there still is some doubt about the nature of professional boxing, i’d recommend observing some ring entrances – difficult to consider these global events to be anything else than a well staged show – theatre for the masses – the boxing included. It just makes no sense to plan everything in a show EXCEPT the main event….which is the blood and tears in the square ring.

    editinking – 14:14 (mm:ss)
    TOP 10 GREATEST RING WALKS IN BOXING HISTORY
    video: youtu.be/kOp6lASnq_M…

    1. John le BonJohn le Bon

      “It just makes no sense to plan everything in a show EXCEPT the main event”

      This is like saying that ‘it makes no sense for TPTB to plan everything except the way you live your life’ i.e. you have no agency and it is all predetermined’. Fans of logic will note that while it may sound smart in a rhetorical sense, your line is in fact a non sequitur, a logical fallacy.

      The fight itself is between two men in a ‘ring’. Everything else is a stage-managed show, but the fight itself is what people are there for, and anybody who has played sport at even a local level understands this. Everything must be planned before and after the game, but the game itself, the thing the people are there for, is what is open to the efforts of the contestants.

      The reality is that we do not actually know how these major sporting (media) events are planned. Those who claim otherwise are fools or charlatans. As I said to Napoleon, I am open to both extreme ends of the spectrum (i.e. 100% scripted, to 100% left open to chance) and everything in between.

      If these events were so obviously ‘scripted’ then those who can ‘see’ this would be making a motza from betting on it. They are not. That is proof enough that those who claim to ‘know’ exactly how these things are done are kidding themselves and/or trying to kid others.

      1. Tom DalpraTom Dalpra

        Hello. Self-appointed Fakeologist sports correspondent Tom Dalpra here. I heard something about ‘fake’ sport.

        I enjoyed listening to John and Denni’s conversation. With what I’ve come to understand, my perspective at this point is more the UNreal position . ”It just makes no sense to plan everything in a show EXCEPT the main event”.

        Obviously by nature, sport is supposed to be a fixture, but the actual game is supposed to be real. With mainstream sport ( as with so much else ) we find the con is very simply, that the game is fixed too. ‘They’ just don’t tell you that.

        John says – ”The reality is that we do not actually know how these major sporting (media) events are planned. Those who claim otherwise are fools or charlatans.”

        No, we don’t know exactly ‘how’ these major sporting (media) events are planned, but we can say from an informed position that they are controlled.
        I don’t know exactly how they did 9/11, but I know it was a con.

        John also says – ”If these events were so obviously ‘scripted’ then those who can ‘see’ this would be making a motza from betting on it. They are not.”

        How do you know people aren’t making money betting on fixed sport, John ?
        I certainly wouldn’t say these events are ‘obviously scripted’. That would be a giveaway which is surely not ‘how it’s done’.
        Maybe you don’t see it John. The last time we spoke I gave you a tip which came in.
        When I mentioned it had come-in on the chat, you seemed to ignore me. Probably just my sensitive disposition! No worries.

        I offer this conversationally rather than argumentatively.
        I suggest that the truth is that mainstream sport is clearly controlled and used.
        Fixtures and winners of major sporting leagues are planned years in advance like military campaigns.
        With a majorly hyped boxing match like McGregor/Mayweather it makes no sense that with the scientific control we see elsewhere that this would be any different. It was , for sure, all under control…somewhere.

        I hear people in the ‘alternative media’ talking about the Jo Cox murder being a ‘failed attempt to sway the Brexit vote ‘.
        This appears a naive position to me. The result was surely never in doubt. Something with so much attention would never have been left to chance and it’s the same with the result of the most hyped fight of the year.

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        1. John le BonJohn le Bon

          @Tom, we seem to be in furious agreement on the central issue here:

          No, we don’t know exactly ‘how’ these major sporting (media) events are planned.

          No, we don’t. If it makes us feel better we can pretend that we do, but the reality is that we do not.

          How do you know people aren’t making money betting on fixed sport, John ?

          I am referring to people like ZKH and others who claim to have been able to ‘crack the code’ (or whatever). Until we see them putting their money where their mouths are, before the events they claim to be able to predict, it is all hot air.

          Of course there are some people who are winning money on any given event or fight. I didn’t suggest otherwise.

          I suggest that the truth is that mainstream sport is clearly controlled and used.

          Of course it is. Just look at a Superbowl half-time show and it is blindingly obvious.

    2. UnrealUNreal

      Fans of logic will note that while it may sound smart in a rhetorical sense, your line is in fact a non sequitur, a logical fallacy.

      There is no invalid argument (non sequitur) in the statement that ‘it makes no sense to plan and script everything in a show except the main event’. You might disagree with my point of view, but your analogy to “how you live your life” is not an appropriate rebuttal or context to my argument nor a valid claim regarding professional sports events.

      From your post i take it that you might not be aware there are confirmed cases where fights have been fixed ? It is indeed possible to “fix” fights – the question is more how many fights are fixed rather than if this is possible at all.. The incentive to fix matches is there, and apparently the skill also as fights have been fixed before…

      Brian Tuohy who is the author of the book “The Fix Is In” was previously a guest on fakeologist episode 65 – a good listen about fixing in sports.

      fakeologist.com…

      1. John le BonJohn le Bon

        Of course there are fixes in sports. What we do not not know is which events are fixed and to what degree each event is fixed.

        In the Australian professional sport league I follow most closely, the AFL, it is clear that certain teams are given favourable umpiring and tribunal decisions. The favoured teams may vary somewhat from game to game and season to season, but it happens. Does this mean that each game is scripted down to the final score i.e. team 1 is told to score 107 and team 2 is told to score 87? No. The league is simply tilting the probabilities in such a way as to increase their profits. Certain teams are effectively given a headstart each season because, if they win, it helps the bottom line of the league and those whose bonuses are based on that bottom line.

        This ‘black vs white’, ‘all fixed to the last point vs not fixed at all’ false dichotomy you have bought into is toxic to real thinking. I note that you have bought into the same false dichotomy with ‘Flat Earth vs NASA heliocentrism’, and ‘EGI vs all celebrities are as presented’. Perhaps you are not currently capable of thinking beyond simple binaries. So long as you are happy, and you seem happy enough, I won’t try to argue the point with you any further. Simple binaries help a certain type of mind.

        Cheers.

      2. UnrealUNreal

        Perhaps you are not currently capable of thinking beyond simple binaries. So long as you are happy, and you seem happy enough, I won’t try to argue the point with you any further. Simple binaries help a certain type of mind.

        What part in “the question is more how many fights are fixed rather than if this is possible at all” is it that you are not able to understand? Where do i state fights are 100% controlled or fixed?

        Also you portray me as i’m of the opinion every celebrity or actor to be EGI which is just untrue – yet you continuously bring it up in what seemingly is an attempt to discredit my opinions (and by inference my arguments) as being as simplistic as “black & white”.

        You need to back up your claims with facts and references before you invent opinions on my behalf that are false and diminutive – which in reality constitute disguised character attacks (ad hominem).

  3. Terran DownvaleTerran Downvale

    I haven’t had a chance to listen to this yet but I just wanted to direct JLB and anyone interested to my recent post on the EGI thread regarding Oscar De La Hoya’s comments about the fight being a “fraud.” I noticed what could be some esoteric hinting at the topic of EGI, whether it be an admission, false lead or me just reading too much into things.

    1. John le BonJohn le Bon

      @Terran I will be in touch privately soon, and apologise for how long it has taken me to respond to your PM’s regarding Charlottesville. As for anything to do with the thread about ‘EGI’, it is a polite ‘pass’ from me at this point. Cheers.

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