15 thoughts on “FAC462-John le Bon and Harryell

  1. UnrealUNreal

    The French Revolution from 1788/89 might just be the first historical narrative that is credible.
    -Christopher Pfister (translated by Carole Thomas)

    Investigating history critically is a worthwhile and fakeology-related endeavour – which makes JLB’s contributions worthwhile on the surface.

    However, to investigate the forgery of history without mention of the many authors that have contributed with significant research is misleading at best. So to be clear – many researchers* have studied false history well before JLB which he has been reminded of before, apparently to no avail.

    The navel-gazing and self-promotion JLB seems preoccupied with might have to do with his age, or it might be a commercial strategy to brand himself as the main source for discovery of fake history.

    In short – to falsely represent your own role in alternative research of historical facts is as fraudulent as history itself.

    Some basic sources* related to false history:

    •Edwin Johnson – The Pauline Epistles (1894)
    •Robert Baldauf – Historie und Kritik (1902)
    •Heribert Illig – Phantom time hypothesis (1991)
    •Anatoly Fomenko – The History Of New Chronology (2001)
    •Uwe Topper – ZeitFälschung. Es begann mit der Renaissance (2003)
    •Florin Diacu – The Lost Millennium (2005)
    •Christopher Pfister – Die Matrix der alten Geschichte (2013)

    *in addition to referenced authors above, many fakeologist have both discussed and contributed in discussions on historical revisionism on air and in writing – well before JLB started advertising his magnitude and entitlement

  2. rickyricky

    @Matti, welcome to the “Fakeologist whipping post,” aka the comments section! Where no positive sentiment goes unpunished! LOL!!

  3. mattimatti

    A very thought provoking chat – thanks for that!
    Also good to know the JLB is still contributing on Fakeologist.
    Somehow it all comes back to Story. Narrative. Imagination. This is a point I often arrive at, so I’m glad that he also keeps returning to it. Making sense of anything results in a story. Communicating anything of any depth becomes a story. The tips in the book discussed teach you to engage with other people’s lives, their Stories, thus opening possibilities for more Story and a development of the narrative, and so it goes on. ‘Destiny’ is the fulfilment of a story, ‘Fate’ the inevitability of a Story. As was pointed out, memory works best on Story. It is the way we organise information and make sense of it. The first thing you ever became aware of is (now) a Story…
    My wife writes comedy, mystery Radio plays. Unfortunately in German but for Faye maybe: www1.wdr.de/radio/1live/on-air/sendungen/1live-krimi/gott-ist-tot-wirklich-106.html… – in the first play we even had a character claiming there weren’t any planes on 9/11 😉 Unfortunately that’s not on line at the moment but I can send a copy to anyone who would like to hear it.
    Anyway, in the last episode, Story is the culprit. Story is the essence and we are here to live it out, to express it. This is why finding the ‘true’ story is so important to us. Once the ‘true’ Story is revealed all the characters can move on and fulfil their own given Story, each Story adding to the Meta-Story of the whole. As to who or what can comprehend the Meta-Story and what that means is the subject of the next episode. The Story never stops…
    This episode is still in the brainstorming phase, but it will centre on a fake murder at a Flat Earth meeting of some kind. In looking for some kind of resolution to the question of the shape of the Earth – remember this is fiction – the most elegant to date was that consciousness is the basis for everything and as it grows the world is discovered and grows with it. Like a computer game where the players discover the virtual landscape themselves as they go deeper into it.
    What is the shape of the world in the game? Well, it can be any shape you want it to be. The programmers can define it to be a certain shape but really it has no pre-defined shape. It starts very small with 0s and 1s and grows ever larger as more minds enter it. Therefore it is as infinite as we are and we are making the shape as we go.
    Finally, another theme that JLB keeps returning to that I often think about. The elite have to learn, too. In academia, industry and business ideas are constantly jostling to be the next big story, the next major narrative, also the ideas that don’t make it now don’t go away, they are stored up for later episodes. Yes, there are forces that push specific narratives more than others but social engineering is developing it’s story, too.
    So, all we are left with, in the end, are stories. ‘It’s just another Story’
    Yet some Stories are so powerful they define entire lives and people will die for the sake of them. Almost as if the story dictates the life… Story is everything.
    So to what degree can we write our own Story, or rewrite and modify existing ones? And what part does the ‘Truth’ play in this?
    And so it goes on, far too long for a post. This is a rich vein indeed.

    1. John le BonJohn le Bon

      Thank you for the encouraging feedback.

      Yes, the longer I pay attention to and attempt to understand the human condition, the more I understand how fundamentally important the concept of narrative is to how we think and how we lead our lives.

      People have stories in their heads about themselves, about others, about the world, and so on. And it seems they desperately need these stories to give them a sense of purpose and sense of direction.

      This is why the role of the skeptic can be a problematic one. I am slowly but surely exposing and ridiculing story after story after story, and this will naturally upset and even alienate innocent people who consider themselves wise yet remain fooled.

      Alan Moore makes a good point about the utility of building stories up once the existing ones have been deconstructed:

      1. mattimatti

        Exactly.

        The stories that we allow to define us, the ones that we invest in, that give us a sense of purpose, Jasun Horsley calls them the ‘crucial fiction’. What a great phrase. He goes further: “a way for the collective psyche to deal with the unknown, by turning it into something familiar, images, words, concepts and beliefs. These fictions then become ‘real’ in a practical sense, because they generate their own evidence.” (His italics)

        He is applying this to UFO belief systems but it is at work on every level, from the individual and personal to group, regional, national and world crucial fictions – all those stories in your pyramid from the baby hoaxes to the noble lies.

        The higher up the pyramid the more crucial fictions there are. It’s not an eye on the top of the pyramid, it’s a projector and the pyramid isn’t the world, you are.

        The crucial fiction becomes a framework for us to voice our emotions through; which is why people tune into what resonates emotionally, jump on the gravy train and bear false witness. The emotion feels true even if the facts aren’t. It is empowering and focuses on the outer, the others, enabling us to successfully avoid looking at ourselves.

        And sometimes there are good reasons for not looking. Forcing or confronting people with ultimate proof that their crucial fiction is false can push them and the one doing the confronting into dangerous places.

        But getting this far with fakery at large usually means you’ve done some of that uncomfortable work on your own crucial fictions as well and that leads to the realisation that you have almost no choice but to follow your own instincts/intuition/heart together with logic/observation/communication and the other tools in a fakologists tool box to build your own narrative and express that.

        That is the coagulation. That’s what Ab is doing with this site; what you are doing with your work, too. Good stuff!

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