Brian Staveley’s 2018 9/11 anniversary special

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Brian asks the great question, if 50, or even 10,000 people were in the twins at 9am, subtract 3000, and you’re left with at least 7,000 people clamoring for the exits.
Where are the photos of this rush of people?
Did they not make them, so they didn’t have 7000 potential interviewees for the “media”?

 

26 thoughts on “Brian Staveley’s 2018 9/11 anniversary special

  1. UnrealUnreal

    The fact that 99% of the FE movement is comprised of “FE Salesmen” is 100% compatible with the Conspiracy Conspiracy and quite as unsurprising as evident (article).

    The main aim of a salesman is of course to sell as much product as possible, and a media salesperson would therefore hunt for audience.

    In hunting for audience, media sales representatives will do their best to raise attention to their person and product, develop fetching material and raise debate and controversy.

    Ring any bells ?

    The fact this comment thread is ridden with rehashed intrigue and old arguments is of course not helping to inform anyone about anything, but it does give the appearance of some type of research – when in reality it is just a stale storm-in-a-glass-of-water sales pitch.

    Salesman : A man whose job involves selling or promoting commercial products, either in a shop or visiting locations to get orders. [i.e. Fakeologist .com]
    Oxford Dictionaries

    The Flat Earth movement is sold by professional salesmen employed by State and Military intelligence in an effort to create a dissident subculture they can control and propagate as they see fit, and sell by-products (other alternative narratives) and new products.

    Any positive or negative coverage that is promoted alongside a contrived movement such as Flat Earth will be the equivalent of advertising, and creates a nice polemic that is profitable for reaching a larger public.

    AA Morris : Interlude: The Dinner of Fools
    117 Mo – Mp3 – direct download linkblogiTunes

  2. Brian-StaveleyBrian-Staveley

    My Response To John le Bon comment on my Youtube and post here…….

    “John le Bon
    1 day ago
    “Thanks for your work on 9/11, Brian. Outstanding stuff.

    Now onto the topic you discussed with your caller.

    How do Flat Earth promoters explain:

    1) The fact that there are TWO pole stars?

    2) The fact that there are flights between the southern continents?

    The earth is not a spinning ball, but this does not mean that the earth is flat.

    False dichotomies are for lemmings. You can be better.

    Anybody who tries to deny or obfuscate on the pole stars or the southern flights is a LIAR, a FOOL or a CHARLATAN.

    Period.”?

    Jon now time to answer your questions. Please note I am headed to work for 11 hrs after this immediately followed by an interview tonight at 930 PM ET, so therefore if oyu reply I may not be able to get back to you til tomorrow evening after work since I will be crashing after tongihts interview. Just saying that now before you think something nefarious again or think I am ducking your questions.

    These questions came to me late at night Tuesday (I worked til almsot 10pm) I came home and yes I did see them but minutes before seeing the POM blog straight up attacking me. I had time to reply to them, go to bed, get up and do yesterdays shows about. These questioons you ask why did you ask them?? Cuz they are in deth aspects of flat earth. to give you a short time constrained response wouldn’t be fair to you and would do me no justice.

    First off we don’t know what the stars are made of, how far they , much less what they are made of or how the function. Saying the southern star (s) prove or disprove either model is a bit of a leap for me but still I will address them but when you tell me my answers are unsatifiactory I say well why don’t we stick to what we can measure and observe on the plane we live on or planet or whatever u think it is.

    As far as what you said on Ab’s thread last night how can I talk about FE in 2018 when you “tore” it apart 3 years ago? Well maybe in your mind you tore it apart. You so called debunking of flat earth never reached my ears and I have been doing this OVER 4 years now (FE)

    You say the fact there two pole stars. again how do we know the stars arent two different displays of some sort? why does the sky int hat way even need to make sense? BUT to your point of the southern pole star??? Show me it. Show me how al the star trails in the south circle this stationary pole star which is at 90 degrees. I’ve YET to see this footage. Aren’t you in Australia. You must have tons of footage of this. NOT jsut footage of them circling a fixed point in the sky either. Are we talking Sigma Octantis? If so why is sigma not viewable from EVERYWHERE in the southern hemi as Polaris is in the north. And again this part of the conversation to disprove the Flat Earth just isnt cutting it for me.

    Also Jon I am NOT married to any FE model. So whilst you could say if indeed your southern star does exist with the stars all cicling it as it sits at 90 degrees well maybe you can say it disproves certain models of Flat Earh but I am married to none of these maps. Why wuld I be foolish enough to do that? Then I am falling into the same trap that got us in the mess in the first place.

    The southern flights between continents….

    Are we talking like the alleged non stops which have been at great dispute from both sides or just flights between the S. continents in general? So this proves Flat Earth how??? Them covering a distance they shouldn’t in too fast a time or simply too far a distance correct???

    So these prove the FE wrong? Really hard for me to agree when they are still hiding the routes! It doenst prove anyhting. How can you guarantee the speed of the planes or the fuel consumption? There are many facotrs your questions aren’t addressing. aAGAIN also the flights in your mind disprove what model? The AE, the Gleasons, etc?? I don’t beleive any of them have the layout left!

    “The Earth is not a spinning ball but that does not mean it is flat.” Well with TWO pole stars as you alleged and the way you alledge the stars must be working seems you think a stationary ball maybe(correct me if i am wrong)

    If that is the case or if not and you say it is not flat Why is is flat everywhere we measure. Everywhere WE CAN ACCESS. Water is level. There is no curve measured. Pilots nor any profession have to acct for it? Surely you know all this but let em say this does it mean its all flat?? NO! I have said this countless times. It s flat as far as we can seeand observe. It could dip off, drop off change shapes whatever past where we have not been able to accesss. I have always said this.

    You say false dichotomies are for lemmings..well say are straw man arguments like the flights when you cant prove the speed, wind currents, fuel consumption or the routes and basing that argument assuming I am married to a specific map or layout.

    Those are my replies if you wanna call em a fool or a charlatan for that BEFORE I even answer it’s a bit much dude.

    Your point do NOT tear apart the FE discussion as you claim.

    Are these ideas what made you change form if not beleiving at least highly entertaining flat earth??

    I’ve heard your early roundtables on this and you sure seemed to believe in it even if you didnt say Hey I am a flat earther.

    To me its flat everyhwere we can access, observe, and test, and it is completely motionless. Do you deny this??? Anyone that does is a charlaton then! Not very nice thing to say is it. Please refrain from this nonsense when I don’t reply in what you consider a timely fashionq

    To think the sky proves the ground we stand on espeically when you , me or the neext guy doesn’t have the slightest clue how they work or what the stars are sorry that doesn’t cut the mustard for me brother.

    I am not obfuscating on the pole stars. there is my opinion.

    I wasn’t going to hope on here at nearly midnight and type you a half ass response.

    Suggesting I was hiding your comments or ignoring yo by going and copy and pasting this on Abs sites saying a didnt answer cuz it has been over a day is a bit much as well. YOU KNOW i was attacked in that thread on PEaceful mind. I appreciate you actually telling them I wasnt an agent, but you know I replied to that at like 2 am just a few hrs after you commented. YT isnt like Facebook for me. I get to the comments when I can. After replying to that well I went to bed JON. I woke up heated at that post by them and immediately started getting ready to go on air as you can see I did in the afternoon by the video posted yesterday. Sorry but that took priority to me over these stale strawman arguments.

    Suggesting I have to be a fool, a charlatan or a liar for not agreeing with those points of yours, well then really I don’t need to rush to reply to you

    Enjoy your day. Off to work

    1. John le BonJohn le Bon

      First off we don’t know what the stars are made of

      Obfuscation. Right off the bat. Predictable.

      Are we talking like the alleged non stops which have been at great dispute from both sides

      And denial of physical reality. Gee, what a surprise.

      The southern flights exist. That’s a fact. Your denial of them is — in and of itself — evidence that they destroy your Flat Earth belief system. You wouldn’t deny these flights if their existence was not fatal to the belief system you are promoting/defending.

      The stars exist. We can observe and track them. This is empirical evidence. You are seeking to deny empirical evidence (light/sight) with a red herring i.e. ‘we don’t know what they are made of’. So what? We don’t know what anything is ‘made of’ (unless you still believe in atoms). All we can do is assess the evidence we do have, such as the existence of TWO polar rotations, which works on a ball model, but not on any Flat model you will EVER see. Period.

      I hope that other people are oberving this interaction. I told you all that FE promoters will obfuscate on southern flights and the TWO polar celestial rotations. I told you that there is a reason why they do this. And now you get to observe it in real time. This is the mind of the FE beliver/promoter. Just like anybody under mind control, they will obfuscate and even deny physical reality. Anything it takes to save their ego from facing the bitter truth:

      YOU GOT TROLLED INTO BELIEVING/PROMOTING/DEFENDING FLAT EARTH.

      Ouch, that hurts the ego, doesn’t it? It hurts that of all things, it was Flat Earth which caused you to ‘go overboard with the conspiracy stuff’. It hurts that your friends / family / supporters heard you speak about Flat Earth and now, if you own up to being wrong, you fear that they will never take you seriously again.

      So it is better to go on promoting/defending Flat Earth, even if that means DENYING REALITY and OBFUSCATING when counter evidence is presented.

      I have seen this so many times before. It is particularly galling for me to witness (again and again and again and again and again) because I inadvertently helped the charlatans to place well-meaning people like you under mind control, a mind control so strong that three years later, many of you would prefer to on with the charade rather than own up to your own mistake.

      You are capable of undoing the spell. But first you have to actually want to base your beliefs on physical reality. Right now you are choosing to ignore physical reality, in order to hold on to your FE belief. Ask yourself WHY you are doing this.

      1. dante

        i agree with JLB…the composition of the stars are – pun intended – immaterial to their relevancy in this discussion.

        im sure most family and friends think 911 beliefs alone are crazy enough. and their beliefs about the earth aren’t grounded in any of their own research, sans appeals to nasa footage, ‘experts’, and consensus, so not sure that aspect is consequential to one being married to a position.

        i wasn’t aware everyone in the FE scene denied – absolutely – flights between cities in the southern hemi’sphere’. from what i recall, many of flight paths of many airlines betwixt place a and b – are bizarre and travel way off course to get to destination X – which would more easily be arrived at via other routes on a ball. when i inquired at the time, both to airlines and normies in the business (a pilot and guy at a local airport dealing with ATC) granted…not serious scholarly research…but, was that it’s not economical to have flights from x to y because those markets were poor and thus can’t fill the flights to capacity.

        *for the sake of specificity, aside from D Murphy on that BES call, what flights are being disputed?

        too much generalities imo e.g. ‘southern flights’ . what flights are in question? this should be fairly simple to verify. i’d even chip in money to get this sorted out. progress of a kind!

        **has any reliable footage been taken at the equator, where both opposite star rotations are visible? or where there might be an’ intersection’ of the two?

        1. John le BonJohn le Bon

          im sure most family and friends think 911 beliefs alone are crazy enough. and their beliefs about the earth aren’t grounded in any of their own research, sans appeals to nasa footage, ‘experts’, and consensus, so not sure that aspect is consequential to one being married to a position.

          You believe that 9/11 ‘conspiracy theories’ are as stigmatised as Flat Earth? Really?

          i wasn’t aware everyone in the FE scene denied – absolutely – flights between cities in the southern hemi’sphere’.

          I can’t tell you what the leading Flat Earth salesmen are claiming today, in September 2018, on account of I haven’t paid them attention since mid-2017.

          What I will infer from Brian’s response here is that many FE believers are still trying to deny (whether directly or indirectly) the existence of the southern flights.

          And, of course, they know deep down that they have to deny the flights. It is absolutely absurd to continue pushing FE when flights from Aus to Africa, and especially Aus to South America, are known to exist.

          Originally, back in 2015, when FE was first gaining steam on YouTube, I was among many who were happy to entertain the possibility that these flights were a hoax. But it didn’t take too long to compile sufficient evidence to infer that, yes indeed, the flights are real, anybody can take them, they depart and arrive as claimed, and that is that.

          Game over.

          Well, game over for anybody who bases their beliefs on evidence, anyhow. Which I used to believe was what most people were here to do. Evidently I was wrong. Once FE gets its hooks into somebody, it seems as though only the truly humble are able to escape.

          Regarding the star trails, I have seen footage taken from the equator, which shows the exact patterns one would expect if we did in fact live on a ball. I’m sure there is plenty of such video footage out there for anybody who truly wants to see it. Have you looked?

          1. dante

            —You believe that 9/11 ‘conspiracy theories’ are as stigmatised as Flat Earth? Really?—

            i never said that. i’d say people – especially friends and family – are far more offended by a public position that NDNGH than something like FE where they might laugh and say the person’s crazy. 911 brings out a primal visceral reaction. .

            —What I will infer from Brian’s response here is that many FE believers are still trying to deny (whether directly or indirectly) the existence of the southern flights—.

            rather than buying a ticket, one (i.e. FE community) could pay someone who is actually flying the route(s) – to just film themselves live at airport x and then have them take a stopwatch on the flight, compass and all…and record until they are at airport y. im sure it’d be easy to get someone to do so for a hundred bucks or something, like a student or traveler looking to offset ticket price. could do this a few times without costing too much..

            it appears the argument would then retrofit the no flights to issues of flight routes and plane speed. but at least there’d be a new basis point for FE to chart a map and no more denying that these flights exist. i wasn’t aware there was outright denial of the flights.

            though i still do not grasp why flights from SA to AU – or any other route- necessarily means the terrain below can’t be level but i’m not married to shape, hence unemotional about it. i like BS work and overall disposition .., and he knows more about this subject than me. but hope he sharpens the pencil or spends more time in rebuttal because the composition of the stars and disputing that these flights exist don’t make a good counterargument..

            —Regarding the star trails, I have seen footage taken from the equator, which shows the exact patterns one would expect if we did in fact live on a ball. I’m sure there is plenty of such video footage out there for anybody who truly wants to see it. Have you looked?—

            i have seen a few you tube clips. will go back and look again. i would not feel confident in the shape of the terrain based on footage of the sky from someone else on YT. will be checking out this observatory soon in Southold NY

            www.custerobservatory.org…

            and the next time (hopefully this winter) i’m in the southern hemisphere, i will try to visit one down there and record.

            im sure these trails do follow said pattern. i’ve no reason not to think they do. but even if the stars in the south went in the same direction as the stars in the north…i don’t think that is a game over scenario for either position.

            1. xileffilex

              OK, there are flights between Australasia and South America/Africa. But why oh why is there always some nonsense attached?
              Reading at
              www.quora.com…
              someone writes

              I read that it would be favorable to fly Sydney to Buenos Aires (currently the most-southern flight) at 80 degrees south (over Antarctica) rather than 72 degrees (the great circle) due to winds.

              But they don’t….

              and someone else:

              Auckland to Cape Town has a great circle track that goes over Antarctica, but flying the great circle track could depend on prevailing winds **

              It is simply not safe enough ***. Flying over the North Pole is a different matter, as the landmasses where there are airports are vaster than in the south.
              suuuure

              So, why should the well known southern ocean flights be safer than over the pole? Oh, you just ditch into the sea and everybody’s out safely, Sully style?
              Suuuure

              ** and in any case there are no airlines flying direct from New Zealand to South Africa

              *** ETOPS rules cover where twin-engine jets can fly. Antarctica is considered off-limits for twin-engine jets even though it’s technically “land”. ….So any flight over Antarctica would have to connect large-enough cities to fill a large four-engine jet.

              Convenient.

              Map –
              www.gcmap.com…

              1. ab Post author

                I never understood JLB’s there are southern flights argument. Who knows, in absence of a layover, what path the plane actually takes? The above reasons are not compelling or satisfactory at all.

  3. Brian-StaveleyBrian-Staveley

    Not ignoring your questions Jon or hiding comments. In fact it was hidden from me. I didn’t even realize about the top comments setting. When I read your comment It was followed with me seeing that blog on peaceful minds calling me out so I was preoccupied with deal8ng with that. If u notice I commented on that thread at like 2am. I just got sidetracked and obviously you would like a decent response from me so when I get Home later I’ll be sure to reply and be sure to make all c9mments display. I am on an Android now so if u know how tell me and they can be displayed now. I don’t duck a discussion. Look forward to speaking with u but before u think the worst bud it hasn’t even been 24 hours and u do know I was preoccupied with that blog then I woke up and did a show this afternoon. Talk to u in a few hours

    1. dante

      pieceofmindful.com…

      “So too with Staveley. I imagine his unique insights were handed to him to give him credibility on his flat earth mission.”

      looks like it’s more than just Unreal here who thinks everyone is a ‘shill’.

      “can’t we all just get along?” 😛 . or wait..now it’s – “can we all just get along”

      smh

      “I have observed the same thing with the “Dinosaurs are Fake” bullshitter crowd.”

      www.youtube.com…

      “My evidence may not hold up to conjecture”

      certainly not. things we can all see moving in the sky – predictable or not – does not mean the earth we live on is in motion.

      to assume so is ‘non sense

      1. xileffilex

        I’m not interested in FE, all I think is that Antarctica is some weird playground for broad spectrum hoaxing.. Brian’s defense at PoM was great, however. Very un-agent like, as are all his videos and hangouts although he’s bought into the Vicsim Report too uncritically for my taste. But, hey, we can’t agree on everything.

  4. John le BonJohn le Bon

    I left a comment on this video of Brian’s on YouTube. It has either been deleted, or Brian has left it in the auto-moderation queue. Either way, nobody can see my comment. I wonder why Brian would not want my comment to be seen. Perhaps it is merely an oversight, perhaps there is more to the story.

    Either way, here is a verbatim copy and paste of my comment:

    Thanks for your work on 9/11, Brian. Outstanding stuff.

    Now onto the topic you discussed with your caller.

    How do Flat Earth promoters explain:

    1) The fact that there are TWO pole stars?

    2) The fact that there are flights between the southern continents?

    The earth is not a spinning ball, but this does not mean that the earth is flat. False dichotomies are for lemmings. You can be better.

    Anybody who tries to deny or obfuscate on the pole stars or the southern flights is a LIAR, a FOOL or a CHARLATAN. Period.

    It is interesting that Brian is pushing Flat Earth in 2018, three years after the topic was torn apart by John le Bon (and others). Brian is far too intelligent to fall for the FE obfuscation… or is he?

    Recently I have come to learn that the FE programming has sunk its hooks into some of the more intelligent people I know. Perhaps Brian is simply another victim of the FE pranksters. Once they fool a person into telling family/friends about FE, the prideful man will struggle to ever come back from that (until he lets go of the ego).

    Curious times.

    1. xileffilex

      John – it’s there. Flip the search to “Newest first” comments. For some reason “top comments” seems to filter out some replies. I have no idea why.

      1. John le BonJohn le Bon

        You are right, the comment appears when one toggles to ‘newest first’. I was not aware that this is how the comments on YouTube work. I have uploaded literally hundreds of videos to YouTube and replied to literally thousands of comments, and yet this is the first I have heard of ‘top comments’ filtering out certain comments.

        This being the case, I retract my earlier suggestion that Brian may have been involved in my comment failing to appear. It seems as though this is an automatic thing, and he had nothing to do with it.

        Thank you, xileffilex.

  5. dante

    i dont think he’s an ‘agent’ either, and i don’t think all ‘victims’ were fictitious entities. im virtually positive not all were.

    question is..what evidence do we have these people are living via this identity management program? how many assumptions are we willing to make to draw this conclusion?

    1. xileffilex

      Q. what evidence do we have these people are living via this identity management program?

      A. It's unknowable. And the controllers know that. You know it too – the proof is in the casket, or rather it isn't. They're all black [pine] box hoaxes. Haven't you been following the debate here? So you go up to a guy in Thailand or Florida and say 'hey, you look like that guy who worked for Keefe Bruyette in the WTC whose photo was posted all over NY 17 years ago' What's he going to say? Game's up? Come on!

      There's incontrovertible evidence that a lot of people who "died" at 9/11 existed. Haven't you been following the debate? Why should 9/11 be any different from any other hoax, except in scale?

      I just don't understand why when we examine smaller hoaxes, we can prove the past existence of subsequently dead participants yet when it's scaled up, suddenly they're all synthetic identities? Come on!

      There’s no half way. Either you believe the controllers murder people in hoaxes, big or small, or they don’t. So if they don’t murder real people, they’re still walking the earth until they die under a new identity.

      Do you believe John Lennon, George Michael, JFK and all the DCP victims existed? Or do you think they were murdered by the controllers to create news content? What do you assume?
      It’s much easier to hide non-entities around the world, making sure the number of images circulated is kept to a minimum.

      1. dante

        —Haven’t you been following the debate here? So you go up to a guy in Thailand or Florida and say ‘hey, you look like that guy who worked for Keefe Bruyette in the WTC whose photo was posted all over NY 17 years ago’ What’s he going to say? Game’s up? Come on!—

        “Come on!” ? i obviously don’t need or expect a guy in Thailand or Florida to admit on camera he actually never died on 911 or whatever other event in which he publicly perished but has assumed a new identity. what would be compelling is to see a legit photo of let’s say Barry Jennings or insert ‘victim’ X’

        —There’s incontrovertible evidence that a lot of people who “died” at 9/11 existed. Haven’t you been following the debate? Why should 9/11 be any different from any other hoax, except in scale?-

        from what i’ve read here so far – being relatively new to Fakeologist threads – as well perusing other platforms / YT Channels etc… seems plenty of people are still of the mindset that the ‘deaths’ at 911 were manufactured victims.

        i never said it’s any different from other hoaxes… i’m saying the scale required a whole lot more, not unlike a running a small little business is orders of magnitude different than a scaling a franchise out. and i too often listen / read people in the scene just blow it off as though “oh it’s easy for them to do. they have all the money to print and hundreds of actors would surely just leave their families and assume a new identity forever” . i’m not saying this didn’t in fact happen or something similar.

        but what i haven’t seen (at least not yet, please share anything i’m missing) – is evidence of allegedly dead victims who are alive and well – just elsewhere under new identities.

        i doubt ill ever see Anthony Bourdain or Michael Jackson or George Michael. Where do they go? I don’t know. I try not to assume anything. I think it’s highly unlikely AB hung himself on a doorknob.

        Easier to hide him around the world? with everyone having a smartphone nowadays? If alive, id be more willing to accept he was transplanted into some inaccessible part of the earth or a retirement island of some kind than just shuttled off to Europe with facial reconstructive surgery. But i remain open minded.

        1. xileffilex

          Fair comments. Except…

          but what i haven’t seen is evidence of allegedly dead victims who are alive and well – just elsewhere under new identities.

          I repeat – come on!

          seems plenty of people are still of the mindset that the ‘deaths’ at 911 were manufactured victims.

          I know, they’re still trapped in the Vicsim Report matrix. There’s no evidence for these names being sythetic creations except wild speculation that they look like someone else, they have tampered images or have funny names. Which can apply to any real person.
          Come on!

            1. dante

              i agree. my point is that ‘we’ seem to make a lot of assumptions of how it’s done, or where these people go, and while i think speculation is healthy and can be productive to sorting out the inferences and implications…i just don’t think we know enough to be dogmatic about it and dismiss other possibilities.

              one possibility could be that some of these people are no longer around.

              1. xileffilex

                I read your post at JLB but I can’t reply there.
                Just looking over that 2008 Marine death.
                He died allegedly in April 2008 yet he amassed 668 FB friends?
                www.facebook.com…
                including his girlfriend’s brother who shares nothing..

                Mass upload of photos on March 5 2008 and many earlier – as if….almost too many
                www.facebook.com…

                10 years on and she’s not moved on, apparently
                www.facebook.com…

                Who knows what goes on.

                As always the proof is in the casket [or isn’t]. A very quick funeral – 6 days? – in this case.

                1. dante

                  jordan was a real person fairly easily verifiable, especially from accounts i received from people i ‘trust’ more than anyone in the act scene – just by the mere fact i know them in real life for years. and even better, they are normies for the most part, hence have no clue as to why i casually inquired.

                  just as many of you know people, siblings, parents, etc.. from the local town you grew up in. his ex gf was a real person in the same area.

                  strangers can physically visit the high school and go into all the old yearbooks and see photos of him. they could also visit the local newspaper and go into the archives that aren’t avail past a certain date on the website. they could go around and ask dozens of people in the community – parents, teachers, etc. it’s been several years and the area is in flux, but one would be able to quickly come to a conclusion he was a real person. and is no longer around.

                  in the photos of that memorial i see on the website and old newspaper articles,, that is (was) the local mayor and local politicians i grew up with myself. who were part of the fabric of the village / town. same for teachers and others in the community.

                  i’ll have to check but there’s an annual run in his memory every year.
                  www.itsyourrace.com…

                  i obviously dont trust what i see on tv anymore, nor the stories of how / why we go overseas into these conflagrations… but it’s a big jump (for me) to assume that casket was empty and he is hiding out somewhere never to see his family again. could be, but im not accepting that just because it’s an inference from fakery and it gives feelies that the showrunners are entirely benevolent with good intent on these myriad events and conflicts.

                  these are the only few examples i have close to home i can share re: 911 and iraq war, and im sure it may not move anyone’s needle, but these examples are ‘real’ for me. they certainly keep me in a state of uncertainty surrounding some of the topics on this site regarding NDNGH and Vicsims and whatnot.

  6. dante

    ive tended to tune out 911 rehashes in recent years..don’t want to be the next generation of ‘truthers’ talking JFK decades hence, but this was a good show. and some of the new discussions on NDNGH, synch, occult rituals, and the possible benevolence of TBTB are worth exploring further.

    a couple of points

    – downtown nyc is not the most expensive. adjacent nabes like Tribeca have become the sexier place to live but not the financial district. wall street as a literal street and brand is surely there, but most of the big banks are actually in midtown.

    – not everyone that works on wall street is making tons of money. in fact, most people aren’t and that includes employees at corporate firms, be they financial, legal, consulting in nature. more than the average laborer? sure, but very few are in the upper income brackets. factoring in taxes, cost of living…most commute or rent in nyc.

    A Few Questions

    *On the Compensation Fund

    i’d heard / read in a few different ‘truth’ outlets that the fund wasn’t accessed by the majority of alleged victims. when first looking into it, i remember interviews by some of the alleged family members saying they didn’t want ‘blood money’ nor to sign off absolving the airlines. seems like that window was a narrow window to cash in. looking back, i obviously have to be suspicious of those documentaries / interviews. but how can it be verified who took or didn’t take the money? FOIA request? Obviously i don’t trust CNN but their recent article on this suggests most had been paid:

    www.cnn.com…

    not much on here: www.vcf.gov…

    *Dave J mentioned on the War Hoax that most people really do want to be part of bloodshed overseas. Humans like the idea of soldiers going off to foreign land and murdering other people, regardless of collateral damage to innocent civilians. One could dovetail this to 911. you can bang people over the head all day about the fakery, but perhaps they prefer the story where people died, even if causes them psycho- emotional grief. Perhaps th is preferable in some weird sadomasochistic way to a ndngh scenario : /

    Moon Landings

    Most people haven’t spent enough – if any – time looking into the moon landings. And they never will. They don’t care about ‘space’ beyond maybe a Cosmos episode or a rocket launch. Why would they care to debunk a story they were told about a subject they don’t care about to begin with? Especially coming from someone they don’t deem ‘an expert’ or a ‘brilliant engineer’ ? it’s a waste of time. I actually think people here would be more successful convincing those who you may want to convince by not talking about it at all and figuring out how applying this knowledge of the lie system is useful to day to day life.

    Then people might ask you what you’re doing about x or y (i.e dietary changes, mental health / less stress due to no asteroids or terrorists. more freedom via less spending more saving…) stuff like that. i wont spend another decade let alone two or three trying to get the blind to see, when they don’t want to see! even when you are offering them functioning eyeballs. we all know this at a visceral level, but it bears repeating. the metaphorical zombies don’t have brains like ours. i can’t jump out of the gym, sit disciplined at a desk all day, get hired to walk down a runway, sing like an angel, or take orders from a boss.

    and they can’t see cardboard space vessels, building demolitions, cartoon planes…or the significance of anything we say. it’s just how it is. no point bemoaning nature anymore.

    Neil Tyson was a key figure in my escape from the cult of scientism. When i heard him (and many of his public intellectual science brethren) endorsing the physics of 911…i soon stopped respecting them as men, let alone scientists pretending to care about ‘democracy’ and ‘freedom’. They are still gifted writers and orators …and still brighter than myself. But they are either intellectual cowards, establishment actors, or brainwashed dupes, so far into the cult they cannot escape.

    LIHOP / MIHOP – brings up old memories of Webster Tarpley lectures! i was such a buffoon for falling into the explanations from ‘public intellectual truthers’ – from Tarpley to Fetzer to Griffen etc.

    Families

    Most here have concluded or certainly open to the notion this event was planned for decades in advance. Me being of the mindset that not all of these people were made up whole cloth, i have to consider that they planned the victims decades in advance. This introduces aspects like a Truman show network of people, similar to what Markus Allen has long suggested. Whoops! did i just mention MA? I guess this confirms I’m an operative or an alias or a collaborator with the agency 😛 lol.

    Closing Comments

    I have been equally frustrated with people for years, but have long stopped trying to convince people of anything or share material, unless parrying offensive blows from normie circles. But 911 related stuff, especially being in NY where everyone knows someone (and i do think / know there are people who lived and are no longer around post 911) but still a highly sensitive topic. Point being, you / we can keep banging your head against the wall, but it’s unproductive. The few people who are open minded to challenging the narrative of 911 or other things we’ve been indoctrinated with will discover it for themselves.

    It’s constructive to put out material, and discuss with like minded folks, but trying to convince the unconvincable is a waste of precious time, time that is running out by the day like an hourglass. Plus, even if they could be convinced… they don’t want it to be YOU who does it.

    on JFK – i never spent much time on it other than seeing the absurd magic bullet and the headshot to the front that everyone thinks came from the back. if the footage is fake, that wouldn’t surprise me one bit. if it was a dummy, that wouldn’t surprise me one bit. but whether it’s the magic bullet with the obvious shot from the front, real or fake, you’re again wasting your time with people. and will sound like a Jehovah’s witness knocking on doors who don’t want their doors knocked.

  7. xileffilex

    I don’t think Brian is an agent, but @47:30 he is misleading us with the false logic – that if people were not killed on 9/11 then they were all fictitious entities. I have proved that wrong time after time. Why does he always lead us away from the “witness protection” aka new lifer choice? One important section of the so-called intelligence services’ large hoax management department is identity management

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