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  1. dante

    this message is a reply for teardropexplodes. i’ve just blocked some time to examine your links, but not one of them worked. you can check for yourself.

    now, before you get your panties in a bunch, i presume the reason for the links not working is because the reply thread gets so narrow that the code / page doesn’t recognize the remainder of the URL.

    if you can reply here with those same links, it would be appreciated.

    *the image links – however -did work. for the sake of discussion, let’s agree these people are all above board treasure seekers, who found these coins whilst gallivanting grounds with metal detectors. and that each of these items were hand pressed at some point in our ancestral past.

    the question is… what other corroborating evidence can give us any indication they date back a thousand years… or two thousand years? what if one of the head sides had what we can agree – based on modern mythology – looks like the face of Jesus Christ on it? is that in any way indicative of his existence? of the coin’s age? because i would hope all fakeologists know that story is patently ridiculous. as well bereft of anything resembling evidence of being 2000 years old. i sorted that out in elementary school, long before coming of age to ‘conspiracy’. i’m sure in recent years there have been coins casted with marvel superheroes on them. when found next to lincoln pennies in a few hundred years…what will faks say then?

    p.s.
    *the word ‘moot’ – at least in the manner I’ve always used the term – as well everyone i know who has ever used the term (until now) – reinforced by the definition i pasted from google – is apparently in direct contrast to the way you (and others) may use it. interesting to uncover this. never knew there were two relatively polarized meanings.

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  2. UnrealUnreal

    ” I have been a metal detectoris for many years […] ”
    ” I found this site and Hoaxbusters about 6 years ago and have listened to every audio since […] “

    It is curious that you (teardropexplodes) are aware of the large coverage of various hoaxes on Fakeologist since years back, yet seem to have made no research into a domain you claim to know where there are many cases of both commercial exploitation and fraud*.

    The proposition you make is that your unproven (to us Fakeologists) finds of Roman coins and a multitude of YouTube videos should be proof in the pudding for metal detector findings to be “real”.

    Crop circles and metal detectorist tourism are very British activities indeed, and their communality are not so much reliability but rather clever commercial exploitation through books, tourism*, documentary and sometimes expensive gear*.

    The main result of metal detecting being finding historical artifacts, it follows that the foremost care of validating finds would be every detectorists job – so why not link properly to your validated finds, when and where ? Also, you speak of metal detectorist conventions with thousands of attendees – which event do you refer to, and when ?

    Any inexplorable medium to common man is a “black box” treasure throve to the Elite who therein finds the perfect medium to inject lore and false belief: DNA (microcosm), dinosaurs (soil), submarines (ocean), ISS (space).

    *metal detectorist fraud and exploitation would be a far better topic for Fakeologist .com than making subjective claims of veracity without any tangible justification or references. Seeded metal detectorist rallies is a common discussion on metal detecting forums.

    *not every metal/bomb detector actually works – which is reminiscent of how Geiger counters are unreliable…

    Fake Minelab X-terras Hit The Market From China

    The story of the fake bomb detectors

    *with the first rule of UK metal detectorists being “Obtain permission before venturing on to any land” it is quite easy to comprehend how seeding artefacts can be very effectively controlled, and that random metal detecting rallies do not ever actually happen. Permission first, findings later,,,

    [ herunder 55 year old metal detectorist Mr Herbert, who found 11 pounds of gold and 5.5 pounds of silver in the largest hoard of Anglo-Saxon gold ever – article link ]

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  3. teardropexplodesteardropexplodes

    Great chat. There was some discussion about an hour and five minutes in about the reality or otherwise of recorded history. Yes, written history is subject to much manipulation but the stuff on – and IN – the ground … less so! I have been a metal detectoris for many years and me and my friends have found coins from the Celtic era through the Roman, into Saxon, Viking then medieval, Celtic and Roman coins have names of rulers/emperors which tally with the Roman occupation dates of Britain of about 43 – 410 AD. The medieval coins show English kings going back to Edward 1st and on through Tudor kings and up to modern times. They have clear dates too. My old friend who has been doing it since the 80s has literally hundreds from every era. I myself have found many and there are thousands of metal detectorists here in the UK and across the world. Type “Roman Coin Found Metal Detecting” into Youtube and you will see countless ordinary working class guys pulling this shit out of the ground. Like I said, I think dates and events are manipulated but please tell me, who the hell put all these ancient coins here? Would JLB say it’s a scaaaarrryy boooogey man trying spook us all and confuse us? Whoooooohhh scaaarryy!! Maybe the metal detectorists are all paid shills???

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      1. teardropexplodesteardropexplodes

        They stop directly after the Romans are alleged to have cut off ties with us but there are Saxon and Viking coins found up until the medieval kings such as Edward. These “dark ages” coins are very hard to find though and quite rare.
        So, back to my question: who put all these Roman etc coins here? Or is it easier to completely ignore this fact?

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        1. Vespadouglas

          your question moot……why do you ” believe ” the ” roman ” coins youve found are 2000 years old…….are they dated ? ……..are your ” viking and saxon coins dated ¿

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        2. dante

          thanks for the post.

          all these proposed ‘proofs’ should not be ignored at all – rather examined and discussed.

          do you and / or your friends have any photographs or videos of your findings? just checked several YT videos with your suggested key-phrase(s)

          were not convincing … at all.

          but please do share specifics – especially the location + ‘treasure’!!!

          i’ve long listened to arguments about Alexander the Great and other pop history figures – showcased in museums around the world – their faces on coins as though this alone is compelling evidence of his existence and the timeline of generally accepted human history.

          analogous to the shroud of turin, but for the currency minded.

          if you’ve arrived at the conclusion there is grand deception, that you are being lied to in the present day, as well acknowledge the absence of written records in the era(s) you are advocating, and accept TPTB have run operation earth for a good number of decades / centuries…why would you trust the authenticity of dates on metal coins?

          what do the ones you’ve found command on the ‘ancient coin’ market?

          how are you / do you independently determine that the change is multiple centuries old?

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          1. teardropexplodesteardropexplodes

            I don’t acknowledge that “TPTB” have run operation earth for a good number of decades, just as I don’t acknowledge anything else I can’t verify. So there are hundreds of Youtube videos showing detectorists digging up coins which resemble nothing currently used, ie, coins that have been crudely hammered by hand on a die. Many of them show heads of Roman emperors on the front along with their names and on the reverse scenes from Roman mythology. If made from bronze then they are usually heavily corroded, while the silver and gold ones sometimes look almost new as pure silver and gold does not decay.
            What does this tell me? Someone left them here. I think it could have been the Romans. The British a couple of hundred years ago left British coinage and artifacts as far afield as India and America so it is a distinct possibility.
            You can see metal detectorists in the USA finding British coinage from the 1700s.
            I don’t believe everything in the books though. I just have to rationalise the reality on the ground.
            Would you say all these metal detectorists are paid government shills working for TPTB? That would be an interesting but terrifying thought.
            Maybe people I know are paid shills, spreading the history hoax?

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            1. dante

              >>I don’t acknowledge that “TPTB” have run operation earth for a good number of decades.

              do you or do you not believe that Nixon phoned Neil + Buzz? a transmission to and from an alleged orbiting celestial body – broadcast around the world (which was just one of many scenes of the greatest achievement in the history of mankind. how bout those golf shots?). this is 5 decades ago. your answer will help me better understand your current perspectives on how deep the deception is – and how far back it goes.

              >> just as I don’t acknowledge anything else I can’t verify.

              yet you seem to be acknowledging the age and source(s) of these coins in the ground? what’s your position on dinosaur ‘bones’?

              >>so there are hundreds of Youtube videos showing detectorists digging up coins which resemble nothing currently used, ie, coins that have been crudely hammered by hand on a die. >>

              i assume you have no photos or videos of the ones you and your friends allegedly dug up. not a problem. but can you kindly link to one or two of the hundreds of YT videos that you find convincing? then we Faks can inspect the videos to determine whether there are any elements to be suspicious of.

              >>Many of them show heads of Roman emperors on the front along with their names and on the reverse scenes from Roman mythology.

              ‘mythology’ being the operative word : )

              >>if made from bronze then they are usually heavily corroded, while the silver and gold ones sometimes look almost new as pure silver and gold does not decay.What does this tell me? Someone left them here.

              how corroded would the bronze ones be after 100 years? how much more corroded would they be after 1000 years? how can you determine the 10x effect?

              >>I think it could have been the Romans.

              why do you think it was the Romans? other than the written stories in books that have no sources and you admit are full of fxxkery…fiction films? documentaries on ‘educational’ tv programming? are you filing in the blanks between these stories and the faces and dates on the coins?

              >>The British a couple of hundred years ago left British coinage and artifacts as far afield as India and America so it is a distinct possibility.
              You can see metal detectorists in the USA finding British coinage from the 1700s.

              1700s is a far cry from the roman empire.

              >>I don’t believe everything in the books though. I just have to rationalise the reality on the ground.

              are you rationalizing ‘reality’ with flawed assumptions?

              >>Would you say all these metal detectorists are paid government shills working for TPTB?

              Not at all.. but identifying metal in the ground and jumping to conclusions about their ancient provenance is a leap of faith i’m certainly not ready to take. and i doubt most Faks here would either.

              >>that would be an interesting but terrifying thought. maybe people I know are paid shills, spreading the history hoax?

              why terrifying? the news reporters reading their teleprompters (the chris mathews’ of the world) …are they shills? or just heavily indoctrinated, well paid employees of a network?

              if they are selling the coins for a pretty penny…they are paid for sure. and more power to them! i used to spend big money on cardboard squares with sports figures on the front 😛

              they are spreading the history hoax – unknowingly. no assumptions of malintent. think of all the priests and parishioners parroting the jesus myth. they truly believe these events happened.

              “forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing”

              the irony of using a biblical verse to exonerate religious zealots 😛

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              1. teardropexplodesteardropexplodes


                “do you or do you not believe that Nixon phoned Neil + Buzz? a transmission to and from an alleged orbiting celestial body – broadcast around the world (which was just one of many scenes of the greatest achievement in the history of mankind. how bout those golf shots?). this is 5 decades ago. your answer will help me better understand your current perspectives on how deep the deception is – and how far back it goes.”

                I dunno, but if there was footage of them digging up Roman coins on the moon I would be suspicious.
                I was reading Von Daniken and Whitley Strieber and Fortean Times in the 80s. By the 90s I was reading stuff like Nexus Magazine and David Icke and Richard Hoagland which was a little better. Then after 9/11 I found Alex Jones in 2002 and the layers peeled away until I now reject everything and have no idea what this experience is.

                “yet you seem to be acknowledging the age and source(s) of these coins in the ground? what’s your position on dinosaur ‘bones’?”

                I’m just asking what other possible reasons could have led to these coins being here. Do you accept that all the British stuff in Canada, India, USA, Australia etc could be because of the British Empire? Do you accept that time passes and that there could have been another empire in Europe before the British?

                “i assume you have no photos or videos of the ones you and your friends allegedly dug up. not a problem. but can you kindly link to one or two of the hundreds of YT videos that you find convincing? then we Faks can inspect the videos to determine whether there are any elements to be suspicious of.”

                Just put in “Roman Coin Metal Detecting” and there’s literally hundreds. Put in “Hammered Coin Metal Detecting” and there’s hundreds of medieval ones. My question to you is, do you think all these hairy arsed blokes are paid government shills?
                I can take pics of mine. I only have about 10 Roman coins as I don’t do it much. 2 of them are silver and in great condition with the emperors’ heads very clear. But why would you believe me if all the Youtubers are shills? I could have been sent here by the government to confuse you.
                The most common coin finds are modern. If I find a coin with Elizbeth II’s head on it what would you estimate about its origins? If I found a coin with Queen Victoria’s head what should I estimate about its origins? If I found a George IV coin what would you say the most likely origin of the coin was? Time passes. Some things were left here in the past.


                “how corroded would the bronze ones be after 100 years? how much more corroded would they be after 1000 years? how can you determine the 10x effect?”

                Most bronze ones are almost completely obliterated by the acidic soil. They seem very old. The age is moot but they look a lot older than the Georgian and Victorians. And there is no comparison between the Elizabeth IIs. But I’m not discussing their age. I’m just asking how you think these Roman coins got here.

                “why do you think it was the Romans? other than the written stories in books that have no sources and you admit are full of fxxkery…fiction films? documentaries on ‘educational’ tv programming? are you filing in the blanks between these stories and the faces and dates on the coins?”

                Because they have Roman inscriptions on them? When I find a coin with Queen Victoria’s head and Victorian imagery, I usually call them “Victorian”. When we find coins with GEORGE’s head and Georgian imagery, we call them Georgian.
                I know that time passes because today is not yesterday. I think that there are such things as years and decades, don’t you? A year is 365 days. Maybe if you add all these decades up you come to a point in the past a long time ago when there was an authority here who minted these coins and left them here? Is this logical?
                Or maybe the Youtubers and people on the Detectorist forums are all paid shills.


                “1700s is a far cry from the roman empire.”

                Where have I given any dates for the Romans leaving coins here? This is a straw man. Even if these coins were minted here, it doesn’t necessarily mean there were actual Romans here from Italy. It could just be that there was an authority here with control over the money supply who minted coins that have a Roman appearance at some point in history. The fact is that these coins are found across Europe and someone made them then left them here.

                “are you rationalizing ‘reality’ with flawed assumptions?”

                Give me where my postulations are flawed and offer your own alternatives. Do you really think I am being irrational here? Honestly, tell me where I am going wrong in my reasoning.

                “Not at all.. but identifying metal in the ground and jumping to conclusions about their ancient provenance is a leap of faith i’m certainly not ready to take. and i doubt most Faks here would either.”

                Well, it’s good that you don’t think they’re all government shills. So, who left these coins here?


                “why terrifying? the news reporters reading their teleprompters (the chris mathews’ of the world) …are they shills? or just heavily indoctrinated, well paid employees of a network?

                if they are selling the coins for a pretty penny…they are paid for sure. and more power to them! i used to spend big money on cardboard squares with sports figures on the front ?

                they are spreading the history hoax – unknowingly. no assumptions of malintent. think of all the priests and parishioners parroting the jesus myth. they truly believe these events happened.

                “forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing”

                the irony of using a biblical verse to exonerate religious zealots “?

                I don’t get your analogy. The news reporters are reading from a script. Cool.
                All religions are bullshit. Cool.
                You know the concept of setting up straw man arguments and non sequitur?
                That’s what government shills do.
                So… who left these coins here?

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                1. gaiagaia

                  Great contribution with real fieldwork.

                  I struggle with the timeline, especially those “Dark Ages” where mankind allegedly “forgot everything” for like a thousand years and value the ideas of Fomenko on that. The i/j for 1 in earlier years on maps, books and other prints and the possible explanation of Iesu/Jesus definitely has something to it. The samples I have seen clearly show an i and not a 1.

                  But the data points you dig up in the UK are real for sure and require (an attempt to) an alternative timeline if someone objects to “the mainstream version”.

                  “How did ‘Roman’ coins end up in the soils of the British Isles and how do you explain the corrosion and other natural erosional patterns?”

                  is a perfectly valid question that requires at least an attempt to answering. No weaseling out, be a man FFS.

                  “History Hoax” and other empty buzzwords and sly slogans may do well at the JLB Academy, but luckily find little support outside of that cultish environment.

                  As you can hear in the chat, dante does not sound as illogical as he comes across in text.

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                  1. dante

                    ‘Great contribution with real fieldwork’

                    i’d love to see the ‘real fieldwork’. or specific examples of the fieldwork from her colleagues / online metaldetectorists that teardrop thinks are legitimate. is that too much to ask? ‘google / youtube it’ simply does not cut it.

                    ‘is a perfectly valid question that requires at least an attempt to answering. No weaseling out, be a man FFS.’

                    weaseling out? be a man? lol. that you are perennially obsessed with needing to possess an alternative model – in lieu of accepting the official one – is your problem, not mine.

                    and perhaps if you scrolled up before uttering your unlettered comments, you’d notice this was what i said in my very first sentence.

                    “thanks for the post. all these proposed ‘proofs’ should not be ignored at all – rather examined and discussed.”

                    “History Hoax” and other empty buzzwords and sly slogans may do well at the JLB Academy, but luckily find little support outside of that cultish environment.”

                    i know you and a few others here are obsessed with JLB – and assume those who are members of his platform are part of some ‘cult’ or other such baseless accusations. (and now that i think of this ‘weaseling out’ – weren’t you supposed to debate your hero on holotypes…but keep welching?)

                    lacking funds individually, if the lot of you would just pool the funds together – even for just one measly month – you’d find there’s ample disagreement amongst the relatively small ratio of actively engaged members on a panoply of topics.

                    in fact, one of the main areas of disagreement i’ve long had with your secret crush is the manner in which he engages with others in the act realm. the oft abrasive, combative, supercilious tone ….i don’t think is productive, progressive or ‘winning friends and influencing people…’

                    yet the more i engage here in hopes of elevating the fakeology discussion toward a direction (of some sort) – the more i can’t find fault with your favorite fetish… ever more appreciating the succulence to his truculence.

                    ‘As you can hear in the chat, dante does not sound as illogical as he comes across in text.

                    kindly cite what is illogical about anything i’ve written thus far. i’m simply asking questions. to get a sense of how ‘hoax aware’ a new participant is. if one does not have an opinion on the apollo missions, for example, it’s hard to get a sense of where their head is at regarding the grip on collective psyche ‘TPTB’ have – for how long – and what the implications some of these stories have for our history.

                    by contextualizing conspiracy in a broader birds-eye view, it’s much easier to see how coins could appear here there and everywhere yet not be ‘ancient’

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                  2. teardropexplodesteardropexplodes

                    “Great contribution with real fieldwork.

                    I struggle with the timeline, especially those “Dark Ages” where mankind allegedly “forgot everything” for like a thousand years and value the ideas of Fomenko on that. The i/j for 1 in earlier years on maps, books and other prints and the possible explanation of Iesu/Jesus definitely has something to it. The samples I have seen clearly show an i and not a 1.

                    But the data points you dig up in the UK are real for sure and require (an attempt to) an alternative timeline if someone objects to “the mainstream version”.

                    “How did ‘Roman’ coins end up in the soils of the British Isles and how do you explain the corrosion and other natural erosional patterns?”

                    is a perfectly valid question that requires at least an attempt to answering. No weaseling out, be a man FFS.

                    “History Hoax” and other empty buzzwords and sly slogans may do well at the JLB Academy, but luckily find little support outside of that cultish environment.

                    As you can hear in the chat, dante does not sound as illogical as he comes across in text.”

                    Thanks, Gaia. I enjoyed your chat and thought I’d comment with my experiences. I don’t think Dante believes me though. We live in Europe and there are ruins of castles, cathedrals, churches etc everywhere. I was looking at the weathering on a 14th century church in my city (Hull) last month and most of the carvings were completely eroded by time. I wonder how old they really are? I can see stone buildings that were build in the 1700s (our city has many of them) and the erosion on them is hardly noticable. Yet this medieval building is crumbling away and requires a lot of renovation. I think it is older than the buildings from the 1700s.
                    I think our history could go back hundreds of years, it’s not controversial to me.
                    But I do think the actual written history books are packed with lies and disinformation.
                    This is why I love the hobby of metal detecting so much. I can find things, actual objects, that have been left in the past.
                    The Roman coins fascinate me the most because their style and the foreign writing resembles nothing I have seen.
                    They look a lot more primitive than modern milled coinage because they have clearly been hammered by hand.
                    Keep up the good work and keep the great chats coming. My life is difficult so I don’t get to socialise much and I enjoy just listening to the conversation. It feels like good company sometimes!

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                    1. dante

                      ‘i don’t think Dante believes me though. We live in Europe and there are ruins of castles, cathedrals, churches etc everywhere’

                      what don’t i ‘believe’ you about? that there are uninhabited / abandoned / rundown / eroding castles, cathedrals and churches? the main crux of the call was to determine how we can arrive at their ages since i’m unaware of any deed custody dating back as far as the origin claims. tangentially, since you and G seem to both suffer from what i’ve coined the geographic proximity fallacy…here is a list of some really old cities around the world. after a cursory look on wikipedia – these descriptions seem consistent with the ‘official’ history of each. in short, my skepticism has nothing to do with your living in uk / europe.

                      www.mnn.com/lifestyle/eco-tour…

                      notice in Varanasi, it’s the oldest city ‘according to legend’ and your BBC is noted to have updated the timeline with ‘journalistic rigor’…to 3000 years old

                      “Steeped in mythology

                      The city is believed to be nearly 3,000 years old and was ruled by Hindu kings until the 11th Century, before falling to a series of Muslim invaders.”

                      this hardly moves my needle backwards.

                      ‘Yet this medieval building is crumbling away and requires a lot of renovation.’

                      please notice how you are smuggling in this term ‘medieval’ – which presupposes a time much further back than is verifiable.

                      ‘But I do think the actual written history books are packed with lies and disinformation.’

                      ‘they look a lot more primitive than modern milled coinage because they have clearly been hammered by hand.’

                      ill appeal to the audience on these last two quotes…

                2. dante

                  you ‘reject everything’ , but you dunno’ or cannot state yes or no as to whether the apollo missions were staged? okay. please know i’m not being contentious like many here are. i’m trying to reach common ground.

                  ‘if there was footage of them digging up Roman coins on the moon I would be suspicious.’

                  are you suspicious of them phoning the president or launching into meet the orbiting command module from that silly cardboard contraption? : )

                  ‘I was reading Von Daniken and Whitley Strieber and Fortean Times in the 80s. By the 90s I was reading stuff like Nexus Magazine and David Icke and Richard Hoagland which was a little better. Then after 9/11 I found Alex Jones in 2002 and the layers peeled away until I now reject everything and have no idea what this experience is.

                  it’s nice to see you’ve moved past a lot of nonsense. not surprised you’ve found yourself here! but sadly, many who’ve found themselves at fakeologist still believe in silly things..like peasants being ‘paid shills’ or government agents infiltrating a far far far out there site that poses zero threat to ‘the system’ . even when they are proven wrong again and again. all that said, i would genuinely be curious to know in the 17 years since your escape from AJ / IW what sources you repose your trust in, if any.

                  ‘i’m just asking what other possible reasons could have led to these coins being here’

                  so you cannot give simple answer on big paleontological ‘fossils’ either, eh? : / (it’s an obvious hoax that also stems from the ground. i mean …TPTB have convinced most people on earth that they are filling up their tanks with a dead dinosaur juice mixture – from millions of years ago – into their automobiles.

                  ‘Do you accept that all the British stuff in Canada, India, USA, Australia etc could be because of the British Empire? Do you accept that time passes and that there could have been another empire in Europe before the British?’

                  I accept that time passes in so far as ‘i’ was once a little boy and now ‘i’ am an adult male. or that you wrote this comment today in response to to my comment from yesterday.

                  no, i do not accept imaginary empires in europe for which i have no reason to.

                  “i assume you have no photos or videos of the ones you and your friends allegedly dug up. not a problem. but can you kindly link to one or two of the hundreds of YT videos that you find convincing? then we Faks can inspect the videos to determine whether there are any elements to be suspicious of.”

                  ‘Just put in “Roman Coin Metal Detecting” and there’s literally hundreds. ‘

                  so you have no photos or videos of all these coins you and your friends have found…
                  i told you i did a cursory search and was unconvinced of the two i saw. i saw snippets that were woefully unimpressive. but there very well could be some that are compelling. what would be helpful is if YOU COULD SELECT one or two that YOU FIND CONVINCING. keywod searches may not yield the same exact results depending on your user history, ip locations, etc..

                  it’s so simple. just post here in this thread a link to one you think is indicative of a legitimate find with legitimate ancient coins. then we can advance the discussion.

                  ‘But why would you believe me if all the Youtubers are shills? I could have been sent here by the government to confuse you.’

                  when did i ever say all youtubers are paid shills? did you read my previous comment?

                  ‘The most common coin finds are modern. ‘

                  exactly

                  If I find a coin with Elizbeth II’s head on it what would you estimate about its origins? If I found a coin with Queen Victoria’s head what should I estimate about its origins? If I found a George IV coin what would you say the most likely origin of the coin was?

                  queen victoria and george IV are much closer in time than figures from ancient rome.

                  ‘Most bronze ones are almost completely obliterated by the acidic soil. They seem very old. The age is moot but they look a lot older than the Georgian and Victorians. ‘

                  the age is not ‘moot’ …the age is the very thing up for debate. ‘seeming’ old based on the obliteration and being verifiably old by a quantifiable range – are two entirely different things.

                  ‘if you add all these decades up you come to a point in the past a long time ago when there was an authority here who minted these coins and left them here? Is this logical?’

                  appeals to authority is not logical, no.

                  ‘Or maybe the Youtubers and people on the Detectorist forums are all paid shills.’

                  your paid shills mantra is becoming tedious and old hat.

                  ‘It could just be that there was an authority here with control over the money supply who minted coins that have a Roman appearance at some point in history’

                  there’s a thought!

                  The fact is that these coins are found across Europe and someone made them then left them here.

                  sure. just doesn’t mean they were left there millennium(s) ago.

                  That’s what government shills do.

                  zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

                  ‘So… who left these coins here?’

                  perhaps one of alexander the great’s persian peasants.

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                  1. teardropexplodesteardropexplodes

                    are you suspicious of them phoning the president or launching into meet the orbiting command module from that silly cardboard contraption? : )”

                    Of course I’m not. Are you seriously telling me that the moon landings were fake? My mother watched it on TV.

                    “it’s nice to see you’ve moved past a lot of nonsense. not surprised you’ve found yourself here! but sadly, many who’ve found themselves at fakeologist still believe in silly things..like peasants being ‘paid shills’ or government agents infiltrating a far far far out there site that poses zero threat to ‘the system’ . even when they are proven wrong again and again. all that said, i would genuinely be curious to know in the 17 years since your escape from AJ / IW what sources you repose your trust in, if any.”

                    I found this site and Hoaxbusters about 6 years ago and have listened to every audio since.
                    The only thing I trust is my own observation. When I or my mates dig up a Roman coin then it sets my imagination racing as to who left it here. Seriously, it’s the best hobby in the worl. Walking across anempty field with the sun on your face, listening for a good signal and never knowing what you will find. This is why there are so many here in Europe. There are conventions and festivals where thousands of us get together to share finds and experiences. They are organised on farms and you can search the fields whils there. All the people I’ve met are really nice, ordinary men and women.


                    “so you cannot give simple answer on big paleontological ‘fossils’ either, eh? : / (it’s an obvious hoax that also stems from the ground. i mean …TPTB have convinced most people on earth that they are filling up their tanks with a dead dinosaur juice mixture – from millions of years ago – into their automobiles.”

                    I dunno owt about palaeontology and I’ve never seen a dinosaur, that’s why I’m trying to talk about something I know about: metal detecting? I’m not interested in dinosaurs really. Although I saw the Rolling Stones once. And I saw Jurassic Park. That’s a cool film. I doubt Michael Crichton or Spielberg invented dinosaurs, Dante. I also have a coal fire and I sometimes find imprints of ancient plants in the coal. Not that this means anything. I also find many fossilised amonites, a species no longer living, on a beach near me (Whitby). Not sure what to make of that. Maybe things have been living and dying on the planet for a long, long time?

                    “I accept that time passes in so far as ‘i’ was once a little boy and now ‘i’ am an adult male. or that you wrote this comment today in response to to my comment from yesterday.

                    no, i do not accept imaginary empires in europe for which i have no reason to.”

                    So you don’t believe the British Empire existed?

                    So you don’t believe the British Empire existed 150-200 years ago?

                    “i assume you have no photos or videos of the ones you and your friends allegedly dug up. not a problem. but can you kindly link to one or two of the hundreds of YT videos that you find convincing? then we Faks can inspect the videos to determine whether there are any elements to be suspicious of.”

                    There are hundreds of videos but I’ll throw out a few I found here from a random search:

                    2 Roman coins
                    www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9tWrm…
                    19:00 20:20

                    2 Roman coins
                    www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMhoTg…

                    Roman coin
                    www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNKgoJ…

                    A couple of Roman coins. At 6:00 you can see Romulus and Remus suckling the she-wolf. That’s pretty Roman.
                    www.youtube.com/watch?v=feDvVz…

                    Roman Coin
                    www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbR8oA…
                    6:00

                    Romkan Coins
                    www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAdUMI…
                    7:30

                    Roman Coin
                    www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ax4zc…
                    15:00

                    Roman Coins
                    www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIU_pv…
                    1:15 3:40

                    Roman Coin
                    www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPoNf7…
                    16:00

                    Roman Coin
                    www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPGAPQ…
                    6:00

                    Roman coin
                    www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_XJO1…
                    8:50

                    Roman coin found in Germany
                    www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Plyqa…
                    12:10

                    Roman coin in Germany
                    www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfphEj…
                    7:00

                    Roman coin and lots of medieval, Budapest
                    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qutiq_…
                    16:20

                    Roman Coins in Serbia
                    www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xXTB0…
                    9:30

                    “so you have no photos or videos of all these coins you and your friends have found…
                    i told you i did a cursory search and was unconvinced of the two i saw. i saw snippets that were woefully unimpressive. but there very well could be some that are compelling. what would be helpful is if YOU COULD SELECT one or two that YOU FIND CONVINCING. keywod searches may not yield the same exact results depending on your user history, ip locations, etc..

                    it’s so simple. just post here in this thread a link to one you think is indicative of a legitimate find with legitimate ancient coins. then we can advance the discussion.”

                    YOU did’t post those videos YOU found suspicious. Why not???

                    And again, you use the word “ancient”. I’ve never used the word “ancient”. You keep using straw man arguments. All the Roman coins found resemble nothing in circulation and the bronze ones look heavily corroded. The inscriptions are in abbreviated latin. What am I supposed to think? Who could have left them here?

                    ‘The most common coin finds are modern. ‘

                    “exactly”

                    Because they have had less time to decay and because they have huge circulation in the last 200 years. Because they were minted on an industrial scale as opposed to being hammered by hand. Roman and medieval coins are harder to find but they exist in large numbers in less built-up areas.

                    “If I find a coin with Elizbeth II’s head on it what would you estimate about its origins? If I found a coin with Queen Victoria’s head what should I estimate about its origins? If I found a George IV coin what would you say the most likely origin of the coin was?”

                    queen victoria and george IV are much closer in time than figures from ancient rome.”

                    You just made this statement, not me. How do you know this??? So you do believe Romans existed?

                    But you didn’t answer my question:
                    A coin found in good condition with Elizabeth II’s head on its front: what assumptions would you make about its origin and age?

                    A coin found with Queen Victoria’s head on it: what assumptions would you make about its age and origin?

                    A coin found with George IV’s head on its face: what assumptions could we make about when it was left here?

                    All of these coins are common finds around here.

                    “the age is not ‘moot’ …the age is the very thing up for debate. ‘seeming’ old based on the obliteration and being verifiably old by a quantifiable range – are two entirely different things.”

                    I suggest you google what the word “moot” means.

                    ‘if you add all these decades up you come to a point in the past a long time ago when there was an authority here who minted these coins and left them here? Is this logical?’

                    “appeals to authority is not logical, no.”

                    But you agree that time passes and that a year is 365 days? If there can be 365 days spreading out behind you, can there not be 365 years spreading out behind you? or even 600? Isn’t that possible? Isn’t that a rational postulation? That isn’t an appeal to authority, that’s an attempt at logic.

                    ‘It could just be that there was an authority here with control over the money supply who minted coins that have a Roman appearance at some point in history’

                    “there’s a thought!

                    The fact is that these coins are found across Europe and someone made them then left them here.

                    sure. just doesn’t mean they were left there millennium(s) ago.

                    That’s what government shills do.

                    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz”

                    NOWHERE have I said the coins were left millennia ago. It’s you who seems stuck on this straw man. I simply presented you with evidence that Roman coinage is found here in the UK and around Europe. My only intention in the present debate is to get you to acknowledge this. Do you accept that this is true or not?

                    ‘So… who left these coins here?’

                    “perhaps one of alexander the great’s persian peasants.”

                    I doubt if Alexander existed he would have come here…. That’s why we don’t find his coins here. But we do find Roman. I wonder why this could be???

                    Here are some pics of my coins. I don’t know how to post pictures here.

                    Here’s me posing with my detector. It’s a really good one and cost me about 900 UK pounds!

                    imgur.com/a/vfH8GLe

                    //s.imgur.com/min/embed.js

                    Here are some heavily corroded bronze coins:
                    imgur.com/a/1rXfuwo

                    //s.imgur.com/min/embed.js

                    Here are the front and backs of the better quality finds:

                    imgur.com/yfHrV2B
                    imgur.com/wMM5q18
                    imgur.com/LhJLED9
                    imgur.com/SmF8c0J
                    imgur.com/SXowvj2
                    imgur.com/IEhZ5ZS
                    imgur.com/OkB2pTD
                    imgur.com/gIxiti6
                    and me with them to prove I didn’t just pull them from the net:
                    imgur.com/wN5P46q

                    All of this has taken me ages and now I’m way behind with my work. Maybe I’m wasting my time if you can just brush it aside and say something like, but ancient Rome is a different thing from 1700s…

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                    1. dante

                      ‘Of course I’m not. Are you seriously telling me that the moon landings were fake? My mother watched it on TV.’

                      i’d like to think you are swimming in sarcasm here, but since you’ve thus far been unable to commit to a position on the apollo missions (beyond an ‘idk’), perhaps my benefit of the doubt is misguided. for contrast, at the risk of being absolutist, i’d be shocked if any member here at fakeologist cannot / would not say publicly – with conviction – that they do not believe in the moon landing mythos. most – if not all – will outright mock it…and be perfectly justified in doing so.

                      ‘then it sets my imagination racing as to who left it here.’

                      yes imaginations can run wild and fill in huge gaps between stories of the ‘ancient past’ and what can be reliably dated in the present.

                      ‘There are conventions and festivals where thousands of us get together to share finds and experiences’

                      there are ufo conventions, historic re-enactment festivals, scientology conferences, etc.. doesn’t mean any of the participants are shills, but doesn’t mean they aren’t delusional either.

                      ‘All the people I’ve met are really nice, ordinary men and women’

                      makes me feel all warm and fuzzy, like sunday service at a revivalist church : )

                      ‘I’m not interested in dinosaurs really.’

                      that’s fine, but i hope you understand why i’m asking. it’s an elaborate hoax stemming from objects found in the ground. regular people do similar digs to your metal detecting buddies and think they’re finding ‘bones’ millions of years old. there’s an entire industry around it let alone the institutionalization which reinforces evolution theory and pushes back all these dates while buttressing the notion human civilization goes back thousands of years. it’s like a ripple effect of concentric circles intersecting to form venn diagrams.

                      ‘I doubt Michael Crichton or Spielberg invented dinosaurs, Dante’

                      invented? no…but i recommend re-examining your doubts and consider their participation in promulgating the ancient monster myth to the masses.

                      ‘So you don’t believe the British Empire existed?’

                      never said there was no ‘british empire’ 150-200 years ago. you posited another empire prior to the british naval conquests. i prefer specifics over generalities before stating any beliefs.

                      ‘There are hundreds of videos but I’ll throw out a few I found here from a random search:’

                      finally!

                      A couple of Roman coins. At 6:00 you can see Romulus and Remus suckling the she-wolf. That’s pretty Roman.
                      www.youtube.com/watch?v=feDvVz…

                      ‘I’ve never used the word “ancient”. You keep using straw man arguments.

                      you continue to say this, but you either do not know what ‘ancient’ means or do not know what a straw man is. or possibly both : / just above, you talk about Romulus and Remus. ‘that’s pretty roman’ Romulus and Remus were mythological brothers – alleged founders of Rome.
                      draped folklore aside…their time periods can widely be considered ‘ancient’ in both the colloquial and academic sense. if you are positing their faces were hand pressed centuries later…not original coins used during their reign…well, that’s something different now isn’t it. which leads us right back to the beginning. how old are the coins and why are they printing mythological figures on them as though they actually were traded thousands of years ago?

                      ‘ What am I supposed to think? Who could have left them here?’

                      i obviously cannot tell you what you are supposed to think. but if you are assuming the coins were exchanged for goods + services in the ‘ancient world’, i think you are thinking things bereft of supporting evidence 🙂

                      ‘The most common coin finds are modern. ‘

                      exactly

                      ‘You just made this statement, not me. How do you know this??? So you do believe Romans existed?’

                      please define romans and the timeframe you are referencing – else we will continue going around in circles. is there comparable evidence supporting cleopatra’s existence as there is for queen victoria? i’d say no.

                      ‘what assumptions could we make about when it was left here?’

                      i try to refrain from assumptions. and i cannot tell you who left them there or when. but i suspect the ‘ancient artifacts’ (including coins) are rife with racketing.

                      ‘I suggest you google what the word “moot” means.’

                      ditto:

                      “having little or no practical relevance, typically because the subject is too uncertain to allow a decision.
                      “the whole matter is becoming increasingly moot”

                      ‘ Isn’t that possible? Isn’t that a rational postulation? That isn’t an appeal to authority, that’s an attempt at logic.

                      sure it’s possible. but attempts at logic require more than speculation. if we accept written records do not go back that far…and you seem to believe there’s a lot of fuxery there…and if one no longer accepts a darwinian descent from millions of years ago, nor the dubious claims about ‘ancient times’ – then how many 365s are there before we come to an abyss? that is the heart of the matter in so far as coming to reasonable date ranges on the aforementioned coins, using a linear progression of time.

                      imgur.com/a/vfH8GLe
                      //s.imgur.com/min/embed.js

                      Here are some heavily corroded bronze coins:
                      imgur.com/a/1rXfuwo

                      //s.imgur.com/min/embed.js

                      Here are the front and backs of the better quality finds:

                      imgur.com/yfHrV2B
                      imgur.com/wMM5q18
                      imgur.com/LhJLED9
                      imgur.com/SmF8c0J
                      imgur.com/SXowvj2
                      imgur.com/IEhZ5ZS
                      imgur.com/OkB2pTD
                      imgur.com/gIxiti6
                      and me with them to prove I didn’t just pull them from the net:
                      imgur.com/wN5P46q

                      ‘All of this has taken me ages and now I’m way behind with my work.’

                      boo hoo. poor you. but ages? common. let’s not be silly. i’m considerably behind with my work too, but jumped into the thread on account of your comment. not whining about it despite the disagreement on some key points, i’m glad you introduced ‘muh old coins’ into the discussion. i thought the call was destined for the archives but felt it could begin anchoring an important topic for the fakeology universe. how old are these monuments / buildings? how far back do humans go? advancing this line of inquiry might shed light on some aching existential questions while throwing shade on others.

                      perhaps nobody along your journey thus far has asked you to submit evidence – or scrutinized your premises. this should be a welcomed experience for any ‘truth’ seeker.. not a frustrating one.

                      in closing, ill definitely inspect your links and get back to you with an assessment of each. currently swamped while simultaneously watching wimbledon. looks like a fed vs raf semi-final.

                      wish i were in England and could cash in on one of those roman coins 🙂 i’m sure seats are approaching £10!

                  2. teardropexplodesteardropexplodes

                    Well, I’ve shown you what I and others have found. And like I said, if I find Victorian or Georgian coins which, in some areas, are harder to find that Roman type coins, then I draw conclusions as to their origins. The Roman coins’ origins are still moot (moot means subject to debate, btw).

                    And that’s why history for me is so exciting and the hobby of metal detecting so thrilling. You can say what you like about the coins, but the fact is they exist and that blows my mind. When I find one I do imagine and wonder how it got there and when. Is that a terrible thing? I’m not making any bold claims like other historians. I just want to KNOW. But I’m an artist, not a scientist. I can’t do tests on the coins and, as you say, I’m not allowed to refer to the history books when I find a coin from the reign of Marcus Aurelius. We just have to grunt, as you put it, “MUH, ANCIENT COINS” and return to rummaging around in the earth like dumb chimps.

                    All I want is the truth. As I said before, I’ve had a coal fire since the 1980s and I often find impressions of wood and leaves in the coal. When I walk along Whitby beach, especially the humourously named “Boggle Hole” I am guaranteed to find fossilised amonites and other marine creatures that don’t exist. What can I deduce from all this? To be honest, I have no idea. The fact that there could be a huge history hoax is incredibly exciting for me. Same with all the NASA bullshit. It means that, after years of having all the mystery and wonder of existence stripped from me, I’m suddenly reborn into a world of infinite potential and enigma.
                    It’s up to you what you do with your senses and your intelligence.
                    Look at the stuff you see, meet the people you meet, and judge accordingly. Throw out what you’ve been taught and let your mind wander. That’s what it means to be free.

                    I dedicated my life a couple of decades ago to studying and creating the most beautiful art I can so that when I leave the world it might be a little more elegant than when I joined. Everything else is a pleasant distraction. And time, at my stage in life, is woefully short.

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            2. napoleon wilson( non mason )napoleon wilson

              I have no idea to this day what those two Italian ladies were singing about. Truth is, I don’t wanna know. Some things are best left unsaid. I’d like to think they were singing about something so beautiful it can’t be expressed in words, and it makes your heart ache because of it. I tell you those voices soared, higher and farther than anybody in a grey place dares to dream. It was like some beautiful bird flapped into our drab little cage and made these walls dissolve away, and for the briefest of moments, every last man in Shawshank felt free.

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              1. napoleon wilson( non mason )napoleon wilson

                i suggest ignoring any of the latest idiots , start your own narrative ,if it has any truth , youll soon be ignored….

                welcome , im napoleon

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    1. napoleon wilson( non mason )napoleon wilson

      atleast the “ARTISTOCRATS”try man better than the dark ages when there was nothing ,

      now we have the tennisy Williams sisters , fastest mans called BOLT, MICHAEL J FOX WENT BACK AND PARKED WITH HIS MUM , RETURNED WITH PARKING SONS DISEASE , script for star wars and 911 are the same ..sattelites were invented by a fucking psi fi writer and the icing on the bottom of the cake is a brain shaped continent all the warring countries agreed to stay away from . theres more but I have jedi practice….

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  4. rickyricky

    So, we have a highly publicized media event, generating polarizing hostile feelings towards “spoiled silicon valley pricks” versus (check “zero hedge” comments ) for the “other.” What a great storyline for the masses, lots of hate to go around.

    Reply
    1. dante

      no hate or hostility. i don’t know the guy. could’ve just been drunk and manifesting his ‘fanaticism’

      i almost got thrown out of a basketball arena – sixers vs lakers – before the game even started.

      but if you’ve ever watched closely the mannerisms and subtext in interviews – or even interacted with a certain type of high net worth / venture capital / tech scene executive…some have a deity complex.

      it could be that it was orchestrated and Kyle Lowry is playing out a role within the game for these storylines.

      but it could also just have been a singular event that happened organically. random shit happens in sports arenas. people act stupid. players sometimes go into the stands for balls. collisions and chaos ensue.

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  5. rickyricky

    If that NBA fiasco was a scripted event, (looks like it,) then we don’t have access to the script. If a superior shooter can drain an uncanny number of shots is something you’ve seen, why would hitting the front/left side seem unlikely? Since we don’t know any script or the players real lives, why assume “that guy” has a lot to lose? Maybe behind the facades, he’ll go and drink fine wine tonight with Donald Trump and JFK junior and laugh at the fools that believe these stories.

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    1. dante

      this particular ball did not bounce out of bounds from a missed shot. it was from a block and did not look like the guy en route to basket was trying to miss / leave the ball in air for ibaka to swipe it away.

      essentially the level of orchestration being suggested involves several players on the team including a bit player on the other team.

      but even assuming it was a purposely missed shot, in a live action game… to assume with precision a shooter can get the clanks so perfect to fall in that direction is to not really know the game of basketball.

      on a larger scale, most who’ve come around to No Planes know they wouldn’t risk fake planes crashing into buildings. refs drive me crazy, and you can much more easily influence the outcome by way of them then having a pact with all the players to rehearse plays within a game like a WWE event, which is overtly staged.

      i also don’t know what the purpose behind inserting this story line into the game would serve – when it’s being talked about anyways,

      but im not defending the NBA either. just doesn’t look as obvious to me compared to other suspect calls / events / drafts etc.. (1985 ewing?) 🙂

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  6. davieb

    Kyle Lowery

    huge story today about fan pushing Kyle Lowery in last nights game.
    Whenever there is a huge news story the fakeologist in me perks up and i start investigating.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ghHO9…

    if you play video in slow motion and study it

    1) why is the girl in blue shirt standing up? nobody else is standing up.
    2) the spot where Kyle Lowery falls into the stands has an empty seat??
    no where else on courtside row is there an empty seat, just an empty seat where Kyle Lowery falls into the stands. This is the smoking gun as far as I’m concerned.
    3) why would the guy push him? makes no sense, it is a very non explainable act
    Kyle Lowery doesn’t even touch the perpetrator. so there is no need to for this man to push Kyle Lowery.

    The woman is standing up so she and Kyle don’t get hurt in the stunt and the seat is empty so no one (a fan and Kyle Lowery) do not get hurt in the stunt.

    absolutely brilliant psyop,

    note: I was thinking in game 2 the warriors went on an 18-0 run to start the 3rd quarter.
    the raptors kept missing each shot
    these guys are highly skilled professionals, if the deliberately want to miss the shot, say hit the front rim on purpose they are skilled enough to do this.
    not saying they did this the other night but they could have done this if told to

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    1. dante

      1) why is the girl in blue shirt standing up? nobody else is standing up.

      the ball was coming toward her direction. not an unnatural inclination to stand if there’s a oncoming trajectory (akin to a foul ball in baseball) …not too unsurprising imo.

      2) the spot where Kyle Lowery falls into the stands has an empty seat??

      idk. good observation. was beginning of 4th quarter. couldve been at a concession stand. someone to the right looked like there was a shirt held there.

      but with this you’re talking high level orchestration. not only does the shooter have to deliberately clank a shot in the finals but it has to bounce hard in that specific direction. this is a stretch.

      plus that guy has a LOT to lose. minority stakeholder, banned from games.

      idk. i think you’re making a leap here – pun intended – like the Hubbard folk who think shots are now magnetized to go in or miss.

      ive seen lights out shooters before. even played with a retired nba player a couple of times (light pickup) and saw him in a shootaround draining from deep. was crazy how accurate he was in a local hs gym.

      3) why would the guy push him? makes no sense, it is a very non explainable act

      entitled wealthy silicon valley prick who thought he could sneak a little shove in. like those cowards who’ll kick or punch a man after he’s down in a fight or in a group. many hometown fans are a.holes. heat of moment.

      but i have to keep an open mind. i do think they want to maintain legitimacy – as the revenue from ads, ticket sales, merchandizing vigorish on betting now, etc.. seems to not make much a difference do orchestrate something like this.

      but after that Kings Lakers WCF in 2002, i’ve remained suspcious of NBA. but then again they have bum cities going to the finals all the time. San Antonio? that’s not making money like NYC, Chicago, LA. can make the case for ‘parity’ with small markets, but it’s not a smoking gun like wtc7 imo.

      you think the Ron Artest malace in palace was staged?

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  7. smj

    I reckon i’m the some people that don’t believe in isotopes, little buddy. We can make this quick of course. Tell me your best argument fer isotopes, por favor.

    Feck it, let’s chat about Rutherford’s alpha particles that are immune to the wizard’s g and onestone’s fictitious force, little dummy.

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      1. smj

        Am I wasting my time? None of you easy work fecks are gonna respond, right? You’re busy talking about bullshit of course.

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  8. UnrealUnreal

    In the post below (here) i refer to ten quick examples of voice changer software publicly available that any sound engineer can use to successfully alter a person’s voice to effectively disguise natural voice. As referred to in the article Voice Vices, the entertainment industry has since a very long time back enhanced voices with analog hardware that makes it easy and reliable to alter pitch and tone to achieve professional sounding radio voices – day in day out.

    The fact the participants of the above audiochat all appear to be clueless about the very reliable technology required to produce altered, unnatural voices is quite peculiar as the information is readily available for anyone curious about sound or the particular topic of voice disguise. And many seems to be interested in professional sound in this alternative realm, so the mystery of being able to find a “reliable, ideally inexpensive commercial application” for voice morphing is misleading to real issue in the Truth community which is if whether Voice Disguise is possible (euhh – yes) and who would have the opportunity to use this proven technology – and to what avail*.

    ”    Duping Delight is the near irresistible thrill some people feel in taking a risk and getting away with it. Sometimes it includes contempt for the target who is being so ruthlessly and successfully exploited. It is hard to contain duping delight; those who feel it want to share their accomplishments with others, seeking admiration for their exploits.    “

    Paul Ekman, Telling Lies, 1992

    It is regrettable that so much effort apparently needs to be spent on air to raise doubts around readily available sound technology that is at the hands of any audio engineer working on a radio-show or podcast. And it is particularly unfair to let amateur use of often free audio software be the judge to howcome Voice Disguise is possible or not. Any amateur broadcaster will have ample knowledge of how easy voice alteration is made, and also know how often radio voices are created and enhanced. If we top it off by having a forum thread on Fakeologist that explain as much, there really isn’t a lot of questions left unanswered to linger on air about (well, except why there is no intelligible FAK coverage of the Voice Disguise Deception forum thread).

    *it is quite rare to have just as big a fan of Marcus Allen on this site as vainglorious Marcus Allen himself. Of course, Marcus Allen already used several aliases on this site, so hard to know when Marcus is here or not with multiple identities at play. Clearly, if Marcus Allen would pop up here in any shape or form, he certainly would not miss putting in a good word for himself.

    Nevertheless, Dante from NY could not possibly be another Marcus Allen impersonation on Fakeologist as he’s now repeatedly proven by unmistakeable audio to have quite a different digital voice pattern from Marcus Allen. As established in his post hereunder, Dante additionally has no clue about where to find the software needed to alter anyone’s voice proficiently, least of all his own.

    The apparent cluelessness about audio engineering is clearly to blame for how Dante and his Truther paywall pals all just can’t stop laughing when confronted with the possibility of electronic Voice Disguise pertaining to veteran 911 Truther and long time podcaster and video producer Marcus Allen – with JLB’s soundwizard present to mindlessly laugh along (46 seconds audio clip).

    Duping Delight is a common form of self-delusion that occurs when successful liars get away with a lie and feel delighted by their own accomplishment. These types of psychotic individuals just can’t stop lying, and take sickly pride in misleading others. And the secret to lying successfully is to never admit to lying in the first place of course – no hope for any form of sincerity or truth from duping delighted dudes.

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  9. dante

    ”The fact the participants in this audio chat all comment on a subject where they ignore both factual information and research conducted on the Fakeologist website makes the debate quite stale”

    that very short section of the call was hardly a ‘debate’…nor was anyone denying the existence of voice morphing software. what i was – and still am- interested in, is a reliable, ideally inexpensive commercial application where person a (e.g. mortgage professional) can record their voice on their phone and say anything for a minute. and then me as a ‘producer’ – write a X minute Q&A interview or monologue – using that ‘anything’ minute of recorded audio to answer all the questions in the interview. essential that person’s targeted audience / sphere of influence wouldn’t be able to tell it’s a ‘bot’ or ‘voice morphing software’ or awkward sounding – like most text to voice software i’ve heard are.

    that’s all. and was only brought up as a tongue in cheek jab.

    nothing nefarious, unreal. there are a lot of insecure, technical luddites in certain industries who need to expand their content distribution / branding onto social channels. and if i can deliver them a solution, it would be a good service to offer. and i could do it remotely without having to be in a physical location (with them). i know it could augment / amplify things i do already.

    there are no monsters under your bed …or in your closet. though the ladder i’m no longer sure about.

    in many ways the call could’ve been better. i certainly need to clean up on the ‘umms’ and ‘you knows’.
    and for sure could bring more original ideas and information to the discussion(s).

    i’ve much to improve on – off and online. a work in progress.

    but the only thing ‘stale’ is your baseless accusation of me being Markus Allen or whoever else..as well whomever else being whomever else, despite not offering a shred of evidence beyond wild conjecture.

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    1. dante

      >i’m not a sound engineer and the number of seconds spent on the call were less than the length of your unlettered comments below. so frustrating to say something once …and have to say it thrice more.

      nobody is denying the existence – nor ignorant of – a panoply of voice altering software products and the ability of professional audio technicians to achieve the outcomes you mention.

      but none of the options you’ve listed below serve the commercial application i would find useful. and my interest in such software has nothing to do with any ‘disguise’ or nonsensical nefarious agenda you so liberally accuse others of having in the ‘truth’ scene. curious you never took up my offer of meeting in person so you can hear my voice in the flesh.

      but of course, in your paranoid delusional mindset, i’d have a tracheotomy prior to said meeting, proper hardware + software surgically installed so that my voice accorded with what was heard by all on the fak chat.

      so ludicrously silly, i suspect you’re either taking the piss or seriously need professional help.

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  10. UnrealUnreal

    In the first part of this audio, there were questions and comments about voice-changer software and their performance. This subject has been brought up here before, and the non-exhaustive list of publicly available applications from the Fakeologist Voice Disguise Deception forum thread are here below:

    VoiceLive (Vocal hardware Processor), by TC-Helicon
    Sound Forge Pro 11, by Sony
    Auto-Tune Pro (w/ Virtual audio cable), by Antares
    Adobe Audition, by Adobe
    Voice Changer Software Diamond, by Audio 4 fun
    Throat EVO, by Antares
    MorphVOX, by Screaming Bee
    Skype Voice Changer Pro, by Sound Code
    Voxal Voice Changer, by NCH software
    Voicemod Voice Changer, by Voicemod
    Audacity, by Audacity
    Celebrity Voice Changer, Hats Off Apps

    The fact the participants in this audiochat all comment on a subject where they ignore both factual information and research conducted on the Fakeologist website makes the debate quite stale.

    In summary, there is performant software that allows for very performant electronic voice disguise. The ridicule that is portrayed from the mere thought of such software being used in the Truth movement is misleading and illogical.


    Firstly, as the software list above can testifies and suggests – the necessary technology and research on human voice exists, both with digital and analogical hardware and software.

    Secondly, what suspect use of voice disguise software implies in Alternative Media is professional use of performant software and hardware – there are no arguments to factually deny the effectiveness of professionally performed voice disguise.

    Regarding use of voice disguise in the Truth community there seems to be some confusion about what the motivation and circumstances around possible use of electronic voice disguise might be*. One has to accept some serious dumbing down here in order to accept that electronic voice disguise in alternative media would consist of an isolated amateur without a proper mic altering his voice as he comes home after work trying out Softonic’s Darth Vader Voice Changer.

    Just like film and images are all the more convincingly falsified, so are sound and voice. Ignoring the fact professional software and hardware can modify voice effectively in real time is misleading, and ignoring such obvious facts repeatedly is purposefully misleading.

    Voice Disguise Deception (FAK forum topic)
    fakeologist.com/forums/topic/v…

    Voice Vices (article on Voice Disguise)
    allunreal.com/blog/voice-vices…

    *regarding who performs professional voice disguise and under what circumstances will be subject of controversy but should not be confused with the existence and efficiency of the technology itself which is very real, and frankly quite old. What digital tools today are capable of is what voice actors have been able to do for quite some time already.

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