The disneyfied nuclear story

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There’s far more chance and accidents than any kind of science in the nuclear hoax story.

At the 32-minute mark, the author laughingly admits that the Lawrence Livermore lab is nothing more than a movie set. The truth always wants to come out.

According to this author, it only took 90 days to build or invent a nuclear fission plant which we use today. And, like the moon landing, it worked the very first time!

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  1. smj

    Dear barb, you cannot witness a real meteorite unless you see the flying space rock hit the ground. What you witnessed was an atmospheric event; or a meteor. Look into the etymology of the term meteorite. Apparently the term only goes back to 1818. They were simply called stones before then because people didn’t believe they came from space. The flying space rock cosmological mythos narrative begins in 1794 when chaldni published his theory that the stones that would later be called meteorites came from space. Children and academics were then convinced of chaldni’s theory by the wold cottage macaroni event in 1795 and biot’s aigle landing in 1803. The psience had to be communicated…

    “Prior to Biot’s thorough investigation of the meteorites that fell near l’Aigle, France in 1803, very few truly believed that rocks found on Earth could have extraterrestrial origins. There were anecdotal tales of unusual rocks found on the ground after fireballs had been seen in the sky, but such stories were often dismissed as fantasy. Serious debate concerning the unusual rocks began in 1794 when German physicist Chladni published a book claiming that rocks had an extraterrestrial origin (Westrum). Only after Biot was able to analyze the rocks at l’Aigle was it commonly accepted that the fireballs seen in the sky were meteors falling through the atmosphere. Since Biot’s time, analysis of meteorites has resulted in accurate measurements of the chemical composition of the solar system. The composition and position of meteors in the solar system have also given astronomers clues as to how the solar system formed.”

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-B…

    …children and academics had to believe in meteorites in order to give hustlers in the future something to work with…

    “Before the documentation of L’Aigle it was generally believed that meteorites were a type of superstition and those who claimed to see them fall from space were lying.
    In 1960 John Reynolds discovered that some meteorites have an excess of 129Xe, a result of the presence of 129I in the solar nebula.”

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteor…

    …reynolds is another berkeley feck of course…

    “John H. Reynolds was born April 3, 1923 in Cambridge, Massachusetts, United States. He studied first at Harvard University and, after serving in the Navy during World War II, at the University of Chicago. There, he was influenced by his Ph.D. thesis advisor Mark Inghram and by two other famous physicists, Harold Urey and Enrico Fermi. He specialized in mass spectrometry and utilized this method to determine isotope ratios needed for the radiometric dating of geologically and cosmologically relevant samples. In 1950 he was appointed as professor to the University of California, Berkeley where he continued his research on isotope ratios in meteorites, leading to the discovery in 1960 that the Richardton meteorite and other meteorites had an excess of xenon-129,[3][4][5] thought to be a result of the beta decay of iodine-129 in the early solar system.[6] His improvement of potassium-argon dating was adopted by several institutions”

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_R…

    …bythefeckinway, luis feckin alvarez also did the university of Chicago to Berkeley thing. His mentor was arthur compton(fermi’s boss during the manhattan project and the man that proved the existence of onestone’s discrete packets of lights). Inghram(another manhattan project vet)used flying space rocks to determine the age of the earth for the gullible apes of course…

    “Together with Clair Patterson and George Tilton, Inghram was one of the first scientists to combine measurements on meteorites and the Earth to find the age of the Earth. Over time, the decay of uranium to lead will change the isotopic makeup of terrestrial lead. Patterson, Tilton and Inghram assumed that iron meteorites, which contain lead but virtually no uranium, formed at the same time as the Earth. Assuming this to be true, the isotopic makeup of lead in iron meteorites should still be the same as that of the newly formed Earth, so the Earth can be dated by comparing the composition of lead in iron meteorites with that in new volcanic material on the Earth. Patterson, Tilton and Inghram did this and found that the Earth was approximately 4.5 billion years old.”

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_I…

    …butwhatever, then there was the falling rock in Weston, Connecticut in 1807 that established the flying space rock mythos here in ‘murica. Thomas jefferson even enters the dialectic with the apocryphal quote:

    “It was easier to believe that two Yankee professors could lie than to admit that stones could fall from heaven.”

    …it should be easy enough to suss out the contrived nature of the flying space rock narrative. Bytheway, are you scared of apophis’, the god of chaos(cosmos means order of course), visit in 2029? And one more question, pray tell what were your specific tasks while working at that research reactor back in your school daze?

  2. smj

    Story goes the lawrence livermore lab is an offshoot of the lawrence berkeley radiation lab. lawrence was the atom smasher(remember the calutron girls?) and his brother john was the father of nuclear medicine of course. the story also gives ed teller(another hungarian martian of course) credit as being the cofounder of livermore. teller coinvented the h bomb and was astro’s grandad of course…

    “The idea of using the energy from a fission device to begin a fusion reaction was first proposed by the Italian physicist Enrico Fermi to his colleague Edward Teller in the fall of 1941 during what would soon become the Manhattan Project, the World War II effort by the United States and United Kingdom to develop the first nuclear weapons. Teller soon was a participant at Robert Oppenheimer’s summer conference on the development of a fission bomb held at the University of California, Berkeley, where he guided discussion towards the idea of creating his “Super” bomb, which would hypothetically be many times more powerful than the yet-undeveloped fission weapon. Teller assumed creating the fission bomb would be nothing more than an engineering problem, and that the “Super” provided a much more interesting theoretical challenge.”

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor…

    …please note that the father of deuterium was harold urey. He was a magnificent hustler, one of the best. The narrative credits him with a large part of the cosmological mythos that children and academics seem to accept as gospel…

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold…

    …but anywhoo, teller’s bomb would give gullible apes two new elements to believe in…

    blogs.nature.com/thescepticalc…

    …they were named fermium and einsteinium of course…

    “Einsteinium-253 (half-life 20.47 days) was identified in 1952 by teams of scientists from the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, the Argonne National Laboratory and the Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory. The project was led by Albert Ghiorso.
    Einsteinium was discovered unexpectedly along with fermium in debris from the first large hydrogen bomb test, which took place in the Pacific on October 31 1952. The debris was collected on filter papers attached to drone airplanes that flew through the explosion area. Later, to obtain more material, many hundreds of pounds of coral from the blast area were examined. Einsteinium was identified by chemical analysis”

    www.chemicool.com/elements/ein…

    …ghiorso was working for glenn seaborg but albert was a hell of a hustler in his own right…

    “Albert Ghiorso became a legend and a metaphor for inspired nuclear re- search. Physicists and chemists world- wide knew the significance of his work, and those fortunate enough to know him personally were in awe of his bril- liance, his hard work and ability to get results when others discounted his chances, and his magical ability to in- spire others to devote their careers to the quest. All was done with a quiet, modest personality that belied his power and endeared him to his col- leagues. When I remarked to him that nobody gets out of life alive, he replied, with characteristic sagacity, “Well, I don’t regard that as proven!””

    physicstoday.scitation.org/doi…

    …and when I say children and academics I mean it…

    “The discoveries of americium and curium were announced in late 1945 by Seaborg on the live radio show Quiz Kids, according to a 2017 Nature article by Ben Still, a British scientist and author. The announcement was meant to have occurred five days later at a national meeting of the American Chemical Society. The element was named by researchers for the country that discovered it as well as a mirror to neighboring lanthanide element number, europium.”

    www.livescience.com/39874-fact…

    …little buddy, are you ready to type at me some more about americium(death to ‘murica’)? if not maybe we could type at each other about lawrencium(in honor of everybody’s favorite atom smasher); or maybe einsteinium(I take it your a fan of ole onestone seeing you believe in his discrete packets of light and the atom, which he proved to exist on paper)’, or every hustler’s favorite nobelium? berklium sounds fun as well. looking forward to your response, little buddy.

      1. smj

        It’s not about logos; it’s about mythos.

        As critical mass explained years ago, children need to believe in Santa cause they need to believe their parents so they will imagine any number of ways for the fat bastard to get down everybody’s chimney on the same night: just as academics need to believe in radioactive decay because it is the basis for the much of the psientific mythos that has been ingrained into their psyche. Their identity depends on the cosmological mythos they took so much pride in being able to learn.

        Let’s take my little buddy for instance. There’s no way in hell that she could deny the thruthiness of the transmutation of the elements. Plate tectonics is based on the radioactive decay of uranium and thorium and whatnot. It’s her whole identity; we all know she cannot go five minutes without reminding everyone listening that she’s a geologist of course.

    1. gaiagaia

      This shit is unreadable, but it is all useless anyway, because as always smj does not explain shit or dares to come with an alternative model explaining the observations.

      As expected thus from the meteorite denier.

      1. smj

        My bad little buddy, I’m pretty sure everything I wrote was in english though. I’m willing to clarify if need be. Maybe you could point out which parts were unreadable.

        The critical mass reference(the Santa problem) was from the greatest post in the history of the interwebs of course. Per chance it was before your time. Too bad critical mass is no longer posting at cluesforum anymore. Here’s the original post…

        cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?…

        …you ready to type at each other about americium and smoke detectors yet(remember ionization and potential difference)?

        Ohandbytheway, please don’t hold my disbelief in flying space rocks against me. Unfortunately I haven’t been educated enough to believe in flying rocks. Maybe if you told me where and when you’ve seen a rock fly I might be able to become clever enough to believe in them. I wish I had more to go on than some macaroni sissy and the l’aigle event: don’t you? I’m sure one of your multiple personalities can understand my suspicion about flying space rocks and landing eagles.
        The thing is I was under the impression that the flying space rock narrative wasn’t above critique so to type. Who knows though? Maybe you’re right and rocks can fly. There was that new concord event in john glenn’s hometown…

        www.meteorite-times.com/the-ne…

        …it’s decent narrative at least. And seeing as I appreciate a good literary motif I think it’s pretty damn awesome how glenn was from new concord and kneel armstrong/atlas was from concord. Concord means hearts beating together and conspiracy means breathing together. But I’m also sure one of your personalities already knew that.

        1. barbm124

          dear smj, I witnessed a real meteorite (or maybe a fallen satellite) once in November 2017. I was waiting for my bus about 5.30 PM and saw a kind of firework flying over me and then it went out with a noise. It was observed all over Europe. I didn’t have time to grab my phone to take a picture and before I realized what it was it was over. It looked like a firework though except it was flying horizontally. IMO satellites die this way occasionally (and get quietly replaced by new ones). I also photographed comets a few times. They visibly move within stars in hours. This things are very real at least to me.

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