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Bob Wilson. Former Arsenal goalkeeper and long time trusted sports anchor man. BBC and ITV. I’ve been looking at a picture with Bob in it in the last year.
(Attached)I’d referred to a similar one before. I’m suggesting this Arsenal montage is used as part of the subliminal messaging in MOTD titles.
Well there’s dear old Bob again in the middle of the monkey business.
Pause 21 seconds in – 0:21DalTampra
Excellent Find. Thats Bob Wilson. I was wrong, I apologize for my comments. My memory has failed me on that one. Even now I know I’m wrong, I still think I wacthed it. It was 25 years and I was only 10. I was not looking to mislead, I genuinely believed It was live. Watching the TV coverage of the whole thing has convinced me I watched the match live.
Thats also Wilson at 10 seconds coming out of the tunnel. Its strange why there would be clips of players from the 70s in the intro. The other old player in the intro tossing the coin is the 70s Liverpool and England player Emlyn Hughes.
SIM CITY?
http://www.liverpoolfc.com/history/hillsborough
Anyone who comes here via Cluesforum and understands that all important discovery that Simon and Hoi came up with, that is, Vicsims, will look at this photograph of the Harrison brothers and surely think ”Oh that looks Simmy”.
So this is from the Liverpool FC site. This, I’m assuming, is as close to an official site as you might get? I’ll have to look for more, but I think for now, the link to this official statement of body identification of the two younger Harrison brothers by their older brother is worth a look.
Click to access SYP000001270001.pdf
All we on this statement regarding the older brother coming to identify his two brothers, is: James Terrence Harrison, Liverpool, Merseyside. That’s all. No address really, no phone number, no DOB, no identification, just a typed name after a typed ‘SIGNED’.
Stunning. What does it say?
”I am a married man living at the above address (what address? Liverpool?) with my family. I h a v e two younger brothers Gary HARRISON 27 yrs , of
Liverpoo1, and Stephen Francis Harrison 31 years of Liverpool.Late on the evening of Saturday 15th Apri1 1989 I 1earnt
that both my brothers had attended the F A Cup Semi—Final match at
Sheffield. (late last night? Okay, but considering this was such a massive story for Liverpool, it seems odd that he found out they’d both gone so late)
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Both my brothers were in good health. ( It seems a bit weird. Is that normal, that formality? ”Were they alright when you last saw them” sort of thing? No details)
At, 11.20am on Sunday 16th May 1989 I attended at the
Medico Legal Centre in Sheffield. I there saw DC KINSELLA who showed me
two bodies of white males, I 1dentified body no. 3 as that of my
brother, Gary HARRISON and body No 91 as that oF my brother Stephen Francis Harrison.J HARRISON SIGNED ( and that’s how it’s typed – not signed!)
No address, DOB, no signature? It seems a pretty flimsy piece of evidence.
If it’s legally binding I’d be surprised. You tell me?
Is that all you needed to do to sign off a couple of corpses?—————————————————-
It’s interesting to hear where other people are on it.
I’m fascinated by Psyopticon’s idea of the evacuated stadium but can’t get my head right round it yet. My money would still have to go on it being a real crush and a real full stadium, but with the growing feeling that I might well be wrong. It’s close to me this one…
The Stadium is a controllable environment like Manhattan perhaps. It’s interesting. I understand how you could do that in Manhattan.
Smoke screen – and an evacuation.Interesting little lines in the Match of the Day show. ”It went completely silent”…that would explain no noise from the stadium. ”People were kept in the stadium for a long time after the stoppage”…give the others outside time to go home… You could blast out crowd noise for a while on speakers… Keep people outside…you could sell tickets to imaginary people. Have a few thousand real fans outside the stadium unable to get in… you’ve got me at it now and it does become more credible. As you say. Total media psyop. The very audacity of it is a selling point to the actors. This is showbiz! No one gets hurt…
As you say,hurrah for that.
Spot the Ball was a good post Psyopticon I think you should just post that ( couple of photos) with the title Spot the Ball…haha
Good links theprice1 , hey even you’re coming round to the possibility of vicsims with this one 🙂
DalTampra
That 15 4 89 MOTD outside the ground footage looks highly suspect. Cameras showing an alleged crush at the turnstiles? Not only is it not convincing, but pretty unusual footage for the Beeb to be shooting. Where was the camera? It’s also interesting to note that Peter Jones (radio) says of the crowd
“Two and a half minutes [very precise] after the match started they really came over the top of the fence….police are trying desperately hard to hold them back and at the moment [unspecified moment] it is simple mayhem.”
Whereas…
Des Lynam says:“within about four minutes of the kickoff, the crowd were spilling onto the pitch behind the Liverpool goal…and within six minutes of the kick-off a police official decided to approach the referee….”
One wonders if the Jones recording was created post hoc.
“…it was terrible, I mean, I walked in and I’d seen forty at least dead..” [1.50 approx in the video], a compilation uploaded by this blogger:
5 March 2009
http://hillsborough1989.blogspot.co.uk/
“I’ve never spoken about this before.” Whyever not?The Des Lynam official version, with a few clips of fans is here from 0.40 to 2.30:
Football Focus – 20th anniversary of Hillsborough disaster pt 1
HmmmmmAlso interesting, in Part 2 Alan Hansen, from about 1.45:
strange intercutting of sunny and cloudy footage..
“Some of those spectators have spilled onto the field and one or two of them look rather the worse for drink…” BBC Radio Merseyside commentary
I don’t think anything shouts as loudly as this, however
http://thehillsboroughdisasterdocumentary.com/2011/11/18/hillsborough-the-missing-cctv-tapes/Click to access SYP000160280001.pdf
Mackrell speaks from just before 18:00 in the 32 minute long MOTD video.
Today:
http://www.leaguemanagers.com/lma/keycontacts-4.htmlhstorm says:
May 27, 2013 at 5:03 pmJust to add, the documents state that the missing tapes were *not* fed from the Leppings Lane cameras. But the person who ‘removed’ them may not have been aware of that.
They would say that though, wouldn’t they?
the documents state that the missing tapes were *not* fed from the Leppings Lane cameras. But the person who ‘removed’ them may not have been aware of that
They would say that though, wouldn’t they?
Or is this more Conspiracy Candy?
If there was no one in the stadium, then all CCTV footage revealing an empty ground must be “lost”!
Same for the CCTV footage from the Pont de l’Alma tunnel, the night Diana & Dodo tied the knot at the Church of the D.C.P.
Doesn’t really matter where the video tapes go – “lost”, “stolen”, “inexplicably wiped”, but go they must, if there’s nothing to show on them!
p.s. numerology is lost on me, but why have we got a tag of “51” to this thread?!
If there was no one in the stadium, then all CCTV footage revealing an empty ground must be “lost”!
p.s. numerology is lost on me, but why have we got a tag of “51? to this thread?!
It must be lost because it won’t support the official narrative. As usual.
Perhaps 51 got typed in by mistake.
I just had to post this brief moment from a father of two girls.
At 4:10 he says how his other daughter would be brought with ”the rest of the…
casualties.‘‘ – Instant cut to an ambulance with it’s sirens blaring.His stress on the word ‘casualties’ is strange. It’s as if his handlers had talked him through it before his interview and said ”Make sure you stress the casualties”. He’s taken that in like a dutiful servant and literally and inappropriately stressed the word ‘casualties’. It’s understandable.
Whilst proof of nothing, little moments like these add-up.
We also find out at this point in this film that over 40 ambulances remained outside the stadium throughout,in the belief that the problem was crowd trouble. This amazing fact is another telling revelation to me.
The stories of improvised stretchers being ripped from the hoardings by spectators is one of the enduring images of the day. When we stop to consider this, it’s surely another complete travesty. Rather Boston-like we have members of the public improvising first aid whilst 40 ambulances remained outside.
They remained outside because they thought the problem was crowd trouble?
This is completely unsatisfactory. Completely. There’s actually no reasonable excuse for this at all. Over 40 ambulances were at the stadium and they weren’t let in?It’s beyond incompetence. The best explanation at this point is – it’s all bullshit.
DalTampra
When you were talking about messages in the intro concerning hillsborough. The intro at the top of the page, has the Liverpool player Emylin hughes and wiki lists his place of death as Sheffield. He also died on 9th november or 9/11.
EMLYN HUGHES – FOOTBALL INSIDER.
Emlyn Hughes – Crazy Horse – legendary Liverpool captain during the early glory years of the seventies and number 10 in a list of all-time favourite Liverpool players, as voted by the fans. A familiar face as a captain on long-running BBC sports quiz, A Question of Sport.
He’s ( or he was ) one of those football inside men I was talking about.
Just a little look and we find ( right there on wiki ):-
BRIBERY ALLEGATION
In 2008, Tommy Smith claimed in his autobiography, that on 8 May 1972, Hughes told him that he had been speaking to a number of Arsenal players, and they had said they were “willing to throw a match for £50 a man” in a vital match at Highbury which decided the title. Liverpool failed to win and the title went to Derby County. Smith wrote that he was disgusted with what Hughes said and never spoke to him again. Smith maintained that the only witness was Ian Callaghan. Smith also stated that he wasn’t sure whether Hughes was suggesting that they bribe the Arsenal players or had told him this so he would be incriminated. Smith said he never told Shankly because it would have “Broken his heart”.
Then:
”Hughes’ involvement with the BBC also included work as an analyst on radio. Alongside Peter Jones he was present at the Heysel Stadium disaster in 1985 and uttered the words: “Football has died and the hooligans have won.”
and
”Alongside Peter Jones again, he was present at the Hillsborough disaster in April 1989. Later he paid visits to the parents of Andrew Devine, who was left comatose after the tragedy, in hospital and offered them support and help.”And:
”A cancer support charity in Hughes’ name is run by the Freemasons of Tapton Masonic Hall in Sheffield, of which Hughes was a devoted member.”
Hughes was a player alright.
You really have to wonder about his death date. With what we know, I wouldn’t be surprised if his death was faked, even. It seems to be a fairly normal practice. Died 9/11 in Sheffield? Regardless, why waste the ‘death’ of Hughes?
With his Masonic connections to that cancer charity, it makes me wonder.Even that seemingly obscure connection ( Death date -9/11 Sheffield) is a detail that looks controlled and neatly written into the history books.
Characters like Emlyn Hughes are selected, groomed and written into history.
Why not do a thorough job of it?
You try telling a scouser that Hughes was a cheat? You’d get a similar reaction to the one you’d get if you said you thought Hillsborough was fake.
These characters raised artificially to the level of ‘Hero’, are very convincing.These trusted,loved characters ( in reality agents controlled by the real power) are essential to the continued credibility of football.
Currently we see Stephen Gerrard is the Captain of Liverpool.
His cousin is said to be the youngest victim of Hillsborough.
Gerrard was 9 years old at the time of the disaster. It looks to me, like his family did a deal and he was groomed for future Liverpool captaincy from then.If you think about it, you could hardly blame Gerrard.
At 9 years old he was innocent. He’s grown up with it. It’s a family thing. Hey, he owns an island off the south coast of England -there are real benefits -why would you argue?
That’s real control for you. Long term plans and thorough attention to detail.
NB: In passing I couldn’t help noticing Hughes’ rather appropriately named other charity connection:
”He became chief patron to the Sheffield based charity F.A.B.L.E. (For A Better Life with Epilepsy) in 1995.”
Sounds about right.
DalTampra
I just had to post this brief moment from a father of two girls.<br>
At 4:10 he says how his other daughter would be brought with ”the rest of the…<br>
casualties.‘‘ – Instant cut to an ambulance with it’s sirens blaring.Whilst proof of nothing, little moments like these add-up.
This is completely unsatisfactory. Completely. There’s actually no reasonable excuse for this at all. Over 40 ambulances were at the stadium and they weren’t let in?
It’s beyond incompetence. The best explanation at this point is – it’s all bullshit.
And just look at that ambulance with ?dubbed sound? just ambling through the crowd as if it’s a street market or classic vehicle show…
I thought of the Boston parallel too.
At 3:10 onwards “The ambulance was full” – more footage of the lone vehicle ambling through gently milling crowds. I must watch the others.Where are all these improvised stetchers going? “Advertising hoarding” (Hillsborough) = “Tourniquet” (Boston).
The only professional ambulance attendant to reach the Leppings Lane, Tony left the ambulance service in 1995 now lives on the Isle of Bute.
What, “Tony” was manning the vehicle on his own?
http://www.lfchistory.net/Articles/Article/2887The medical response to the disaster is well described by the Assistant Divisional Officer for SYAS, Roger Morley. Roger’s statement is here, along with the alterations made by South Yorkshire Police (SYP) before the statement was released.
http://towermedical.co.uk/2012/09/the-hillsborough-disaster-from-a-medical-viewpoint/
http://hillsborough.independent.gov.uk/repository/docs/YAS000001910001.pdf#page=1
A google image search for stretcher hillsborough ambulance [or stretchers] might be fruitful when I have a moment.
Veteran soccer celebu-tard, Bob Primrose Wilson OBE, like Emlyn Hughes, is another strange ‘un:
The Guardian reveals that Wilson has been diagnosed recently with prostate cancer. Here’s wishing him all the best, of course, if he’s genuinely ill….If…Big If…Can’t help wondering.
Bob’s own daughter Anna “died tragically young”, also succumbing to cancer, aged just 31, claims the Mail, which ran a touching picture of a simmy-looking, but clearly besotted daughter, her arms wrapped devotedly around papa.
Wiki reports that “Bob set up the “Willow Foundation” charity in Anna’s memory.”
“Willow was Bob’s nickname when he was a star player for Arsenal in the 1960s and 70s and he always affectionately referred to his only daughter Anna as “Little Willow”. That’s why, says the Record, the Willow Foundation was a natural choice of name when it was set up in the dark days after Anna’s death.”
“The Foundation now helps the 12,500 people in the UK, aged 16–40, who are diagnosed every year with a life-threatening illness. In 2007, Wilson received an Order of the British Empire (OBE) for his charity work.”
Bob’s only daughter Anna left behind a husband, Mitchell Carey. And get this, Carey was next in the Wilson clan to be struck down by tragedy; killed “after treading on a poisonous sea urchin“, claimed the Mail in 2010.
“A family friend told the Daily Mail that the ex-footballer [Bob Wilson] – who has enjoyed a successful career as a TV presenter and pundit since retiring as a player in 1974 – had remained close to Mr Carey.
‘He is heartbroken about Mitchell’s death and cannot believe that tragedy has struck again,’ the friend said.
“He was away with his second wife, Deborah Smith, when he accidentally stepped on the urchin, a spiny marine creature common in the Mediterranean.”
‘It is like there is a curse on the family’, the friend added.
But at inquest a few weeks later, the narrative was completely re-written, with Carey’s death recorded officially as a fatal case of “food poisoning”.
It was, apparently, a dodgy corned beef sandwich from ALDI Stevenage that actually got him. But with nothing left of the nosh, nor indeed of Carey, ALDI unsurprisingly denied the claim.
Nevertheless, the Coroner felt it noteworthy that the ALDI sandwich was the last thing the deceased ever ate. Evidently not a fan himself of the corned beef sarny, nor of ALDI.
A colleague of Mr Carey said: ‘He collapsed at work sweating profusely, stripped all his clothes off and said his pain was ten out of ten‘, before snuffing it on the spot.
The Daily Mail’s lurid headline of the day read: “TV presenter Bob Wilson’s son-in-law was killed by corned beef sandwich NOT sea urchin“
Easy mistake to make, at a glance: Sea Urchin, Corned Beef Sandwich. 🙄
Odder yet, is the single, very scratched and very grainy, black-and-white picture of Bob’s late son-in-law, Mitchell. Not much of a tribute, is it, to someone Wilson claims to have been very close? Looks more like a photo-fit from BBC Crimewatch:
Bob reportedly has two other children, John and Robert. John, a “regular Radio 4 arts presenter specialises in music-related interviews, including artists such as Morrissey, David Bowie, Elton John, Paul McCartney, Quincy Jones, Noel Gallagher, Bernie Taupin, Kate Bush, Ray Davies, Peter Gabriel and Noddy Holder”, to name but a few. John Wilson is also co-author with his brother, photographer Robert Wilson, of the book “One: Images of a Goalkeeping Season.”
A family specially-made for the media.
doors wide shut.
doors wide shut“There were 44 ambulances waiting outside the stadium, that’s 80-odd staff that could have been inside the ground but they weren’t allowed in.” Tony Edwards
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/346308/Paramedic-I-was-silenced-over-what-I-witnessed-that-day-at-Hillsborough
Tony Edwards’s ambulance on the pitch []But it’s a different ambulance.
Isn’t it?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/7977381.stm[after 5:00, lower video, some footage of seemingly futile moving of stretchers around the ground] Makes me think of the Boston wheelchair rides into the tent…
….but it’s a different ambulance from the one in the other photos…I’m gone. Both of you, stop it. I can’t stop laughing. My daughter keeps coming and hitting me because she’s trying to watch something.
Thanks for the light relief.
🙂Don’t get side-tracked down the corn beef rabbit hole.
At this point I’m saying it was the urchin.DalTampra
A family specially-made for the media.
Wow, that one passed me by.
http://www.whtimes.co.uk/news/knebworth_man_s_death_blamed_on_corned_beef_sandwich_1_789803
Feb 1 2011Gastroenterology specialist Dr Martin Carter, who works at the Lister Hospital, told the inquest: “I’ve never seen a case of clostridium perfringes in the blood in my entire medical career.”
Coroner Edward Thomas recorded a narrative verdict, and said: “Rarity creates sadness and unexpectedness.”
Very laid back coroner, that. Who was the pathologists btw who determine the cause was necrotizing enterocolitis.? Always interesting to know…
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/226626/Bob-Wilson-s-son-in-law-is-killed-by-corned-beef
A slightly different slant from Dr Carter here:
Dr Martin Carter, a physician at Lister Hospital, said the deadly bacteria would have entered his body and bloodstream less than 48 hours before his death.
He said: “I would be very suspicious of the corned beef. The bacteria is carried in corned beef. This is such a rare condition there are just a handful throughout the world. I have read of just seven.”
He added: “Mortality reports for clostridium perfringens type A septicaemia is virtually 100 per cent.”
Tests carried out by Environmental Health officers 10 days later on the corned beef at the cafe proved negative.
Pathologist Waria Mohamid, of East and North Herts NHS Trust,[not a Home Office Pathologist] told the inquest he had never heard of the rare bacteria in another case.***Coroner Edward Thomas returned a narrative verdict and ruled Mr Carey died from multiple organ failure caused by intravascular coagulation and enterocolitis caused by clostridium perfringens type A.
He told the inquest that because the death was so rare he would pass information about the case to the Department for Health.
He said: “We cannot be sure it was the corned beef but he was unwell 25 minutes after eating it. It’s an extremely rare organism.”
How many other cases from the “contaminated corned beef”? Zero, I guess.
You know this is a cover-up because there is no mention of the Environmental Health department of the local authority where the “sandwich” was allegedly purchased, no defence from Aldi being mounted, or of the supplier of the “sandwich”, and, tellingly, no prosecution for selling food unfit for human consumption….or legal action mounted by the family.
Both of the real cases described in Wiki resulted in legal action:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clostridium_perfringens***
Clostridium perfringens type A food poisoning currently ranks as the third most commonly identified foodborne illness in the United States (13). The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention conservatively estimates that this food poisoning sickens ?250,000 Americans annually (14). Deaths from C. perfringens type A food poisoning are not common but do occur in the elderly and debilitated. Per year this food poisoning is estimated to kill ?7 people in the United States and 50 to 100 people in the United Kingdom (1, 14).
Don’t get side-tracked down the corn beef rabbit hole.<br>
At this point I’m saying it was the urchin.Sorry, too late. Normal service will resume. [it was all bullshit, as usual though]
For fear of straying a little off-side here, and testing the patience of our ref, Ab Irato…
The saga of the corned beef sarny sounds like a separate scam altogether. A hoax cooked up only later, and squeezed clumsily into the earlier Wilson/Carey psyop. To discredit ALDI. Whatever the facts (if any) the discount food chain took it chivalrously on the chin. Perhaps they can smell a hoax better than most?
ALDI was founded by German brothers Karl and Theo Albrecht. Over the space of twenty years, the brothers expanded their empire across Europe at a pace not matched since Adolf Hitler. By the turn of the century, Karl and Theo were officially (according to Forbes) two of the world’s richest men, with personal fortunes of a cool $22.6 billion and $16.7 billion each.
Those who remember the 1970s, may recall, however, a very dark era for the Albrechts and their famous family firm. While the decade is remembered best, of course, for its flared-trousers and flower-powered youth, that tranquility was punctuated by a series of vicious kidnappings, and Theo Albrecht was to take lead role in one of them.
This is what wonky has to say:
“In 1971, [Theo] Albrecht was kidnapped for 17 days. A ransom of seven million German marks (approximately $2 million at the time) was paid for his release. He was held at gunpoint by a lawyer of the name Heinz-Joachim Ollenburg with the accomplice Paul Kron. The ransom sum was delivered by the Bishop of Essen. His kidnappers were eventually caught by authorities, but only half of the money was ever recovered. Albrecht later tried to claim the ransom as a tax deductible business expense in court.”
According to the narrative, Theo was so profoundly shaken by his ordeal that he became a recluse thereafter, living out his days on a remote island in the middle of the north sea, in virtual solitude. Convenient, in a sense, if he was simmy from the start. And like father like son, maybe?
When it comes to psyops, though, history does tend to repeat itself – or should we say the Nutwork often struggles to source new material.
So perhaps it’s no surprise that a few years later, yet another European supermarket baron should find himself under kidnap.
He was Mr Gerrit Jan Heijn, chief executive of Koninklijke Ahold NV, parent company to Dutch supermarket giant, Albert Heijn, founded by his grandfather.
Again, let’s leave it to wonky to check-out the goods for us on this one:
“On 9 September 1987, Gerrit Jan Heijn was kidnapped near his villa in Bloemendaal, Netherlands by Ferdi Elsas. Although Elsas murdered him only a few hours after the kidnapping, he pretended that Heijn was still alive for a long time and asked for ransom. He sent the Heijn family Gerrit Jan’s glasses and severed little finger. Elsas was caught when he started spending banknotes of the ransom he received, of which the numbers had been recorded. He served a prison sentence and was freed in 2001. Elsas gave directions to Heijn’s body, which was buried in the woods near Renkum. Gerrit Jan Heijn was cremated on 9 April 1988 in Driehuis. Elsas was killed on 3 August 2009 in an accident when he was struck by an excavator while riding his bicycle near the town of Vorden, Gelderland.”
Tidy little job, kidnapper and kidnappee, thanks to that excavator, both six feet under.
Was Gerrit Jan Heijn another sim? Who knows. The Heijn family reportedly fled their native Netherlands soon after the kidnapping, fearing for their personal safety. Can’t say I blame them. They bought a castle in rural Herefordshire, England. No doubt reassured by its proximity to the Regimental Headquarters of the SAS at nearby Credenhill. Keep your friends close, as they say.
There were other kidnappings of that time, of similar genre. The notorious Baader-Meinhof Gang taking credit for many of them.
The Associated Press covers a few more snatchings below:
“That of Dutch beer tycoon Freddie Heineken in 1983, for which the kidnappers were paid $10 million. The two kidnappers were released after lengthy prison terms, and one was killed last year in a gangland-style shooting. In 1998, Hansje Boonstra-Raatjes, then a 62-year-old socialite and estranged wife of the chief executive of Royal Philips Electronics Co., was kidnapped and later found beaten and handcuffed. No ransom was demanded.”
And bringing us almost up to date…
“Armed men broke into an upscale Amsterdam home and kidnapped the daughter of a millionaire whose fortune came from selling chemicals, including to Iraq in the 1980s, police said Tuesday. Police said the gunmen stormed into the home of Claudia Melchers, 37, late Monday and took her away. They said they were treating it as a kidnapping.
Melchers is the daughter of Hans Melchers, who owns Melchemie Holland BV, which supplied chemicals to Iraq in the 1980s. It was unclear whether the kidnapping was related to the company’s business dealings.
The woman’s two young children were left in the house in a southern Amsterdam neighborhood, police said. The kidnappers bound and gagged a neighbor who was in the house, and he was later freed by one of the children.
Melchemie is wholly owned by Hans Melchers, who inherited it in 1986. He is one of the country’s richest men, with a fortune estimated at $500 million, according to the business magazine Quote.”
The kidnappings of that era seem to be a peculiarity of the Continentals. None, so far as I can remember (except Shergar the racehorse) ever took place in Blighty. Anyone remember differently?
Only this unpleasant episode.
January 14, 1975 Lesley Whittle-Donald Neilson Highley, England Murdered.Whittle was an heiress kidnapped from her home by Neilson, also known as the “Black Panther”. Whittle’s body was later found on 7 March 1975 hanging from a wire in a drain shaft in Bathpool Park, Staffordshire. Nielson was captured and convicted, and died in December 2011 while serving life in prison.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lesley_WhittleThat name…Neilson…makes me wonder
And the odd suggestion…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/march/20/newsid_2524000/2524489.stm
Oh and who do we have here?
wiki-pedias all-time kidnapping list. For what it’s worth!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_kidnappingsBut we should start a kidnapping thread if we’re gonna get into this!
There’s legs in this football thread, but another thread is very welcome.
DalTampra
Tony Edwards tells us he was the only ‘professional ambulance attendant’ at Hillsborough. The only one of over 40 who turned up at the stadium, who got onto the pitch.
Tony is now a recycling project manager and lives on Bute.
He arrived and was told( as they all were) that the crowd were fighting and he couldn’t go into the stadium. It was only a ‘senior ambulance officer’ who apparently said: “I don’t give a fuck who’s told you you can’t go on. You get on that pitch and you don’t stop until you get to the end.” That’s why the gallant Tony made it on. The only one.
This apparently deliberate lack of trained medical professionals in the stadium is an extraordinary fact. The excuse that the fans were fighting and that it wasn’t policy to enter a stadium if this was the case, is beyond weak. It’s completely unsatisfactory. It didn’t look like fighting at any point and the police have radios anyway. Any policeman at the Leppings Lane end of the ground would be aware of the reality, whatever it was.
Of course, if it was staged and injuries were faked and deaths simulated in the stadium, then real honest medical professionals would be kept away. They could expose the whole sham. If it was a case of LIHOP (let it happen on purpose), or MIHOP (make it happen on purpose) then there would be no need to keep the real medical professionals away. If there were real deaths and injuries, then not letting ambulances into the ground was a HUGE mistake. One that should and would have been made more of an issue of.
And compensation would presumably be easy to secure for the victims families after such an obvious error.
—————————–On review of the images from that day we can see that there were Metropolitan Police Ambulances there with the distinctive chequerboard strip.
And this is Tony, we’re told. With the yellow stripe down the side.
Now what about the ambulance in this clip at 3:13 with the red stripe down the side?
That makes three different types of ambulance I’ve seen.
The chequerboard Metropolitan Police design, the yellow striped one (Tony’s) and then this red striped one.Maybe it’s a red-herring. Maybe this red striped ambulance was just another style of St Johns ambulance or something. It just made me wonder.
on review, it seems there was another ambulance that came onto the pitch at 3:35pm as ‘exposed’ by the fine independant people at the Beeb on re-looking at the footage. Fine, but why are we told that Tony Edwards was the only professional ambulanceman who made it onto the pitch? I wonder who drove the other one and what their status was?
One quote caught my eye.
”Over time some officers have broken ranks and been critical of the role of the ambulance service on that day. Some officers have left the service. One of the senior officers involved on the day has been dismissed in respect of fraud allegations”Mmmm senior officer at Hillsborough, ‘fraud allegation’ – you BET!
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