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INTERESTING MOMENTS
The quality of this film from Heysel is quite bad (I’ve seen this clip in better quality) but it’s very telling to me. .
Go to 1:19 and watch the man lying along the wall – feet to the left.
As people climb over him he uses his right leg to push people away. Just before the clip cuts we see him deliver, what looks like, quite a stiff kick!!What the hell is going on here? People are still clearly trying to evacuate the stands but this guy has decided to lie down right on the wall at the stands’ edge? Presumably he’s injured but he’s quite well enough to kick out at anyone stepping on him. If one leg works he should at least hop it. We actually see him appear to adjust his position so as to remain where he is! He seems determined to stay there.
This is, I think, very telling. It looks like an insight into how it a would be done.
DalTampra
Here’s another moment from Hillsborough.
Proof of nothing, this clip perhaps just hints at some acting.At 1:38 a fan is lifted over the fence by a policeman. His head falls back and his arms drop as if lifeless, and then when he reaches the pitch side he deliberately turns his head to look towards the pitch. This is not quite the lifeless body being lifted from the crowd that it may, at first, appear.
ONE MORE FROM HEYSEL
At 52 seconds we have the rather disconcerting sight of an old man with a mustard jumper on and his trousers down, being wheeled past on a stretcher.
At 53 seconds he can’t resist just turning his head to have a look.He’s alive and conscious at least…proving not much on their own, these little moments do add up.
DalTampra
Lots to be going on with there, Tom. I was having a mooch around some blogs. This one looked suspiciously like a take-home message/ official narrative plant
http://www.hillsborough1989.blogspot.co.uk/
The only post on the blog. And associated with a couple of similar take-home message Youtubers.This seems to be another in a similar vein from Match of the Day commentator Steve Wilson
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/legacy/stevewilson/2009/04/hillsborough.html
with stacks of comments which cut off after about 12 days.(why?)Some interesting footage from ITV – notice BBC loaning it to its rival = Gary Imlach reporting:
plus some more “witnesses” Some of the footage appears in the Australian link.
I’ll transcribe that anonymous witness statement.The BBC Radio Merseyside commentator I think who alleged that the Liverpool fas had been drinking [see clip and comment earlier in this thread – before the SUN ran with the story – was Graham Beecroft. He was also commentating at the Heysel Stadium game
From Digital Spy 17 August 2014: post # 1787 by The Difference
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1845164&highlight=beecroft&page=72
On the subject of Hillsborough, on the 25th anniversary of the disaster on Tuesday I noticed that talkSPORT were using clips of Graham Beecroft’s reports from the game for BBC Radio Merseyside during their news bulletins. I’ve heard some of these clips on BBC Radio documentaries about the tragedy, but can’t remember hearing them on talkSPORT before.
It’s very decent of the BBC to allow talkSPORT to use this audio, with Radio Merseyside being more appropriate for their audience than one of the television, other BBC radio or commercial radio commentaries from Hillsborough would be given Beecroft’s familiarity to the station’s listeners and how he is the man they have always called upon to report on the campaign for justice and now the inquests.
The particular bit of audio I remember them playing on Tuesday was not one of Beecroft’s reports as the tragedy was unfolding, but one from a while later after he’d been to the Hillsborough police control room to speak to some of the officers in charge, who’d told him that Liverpool supporters hadn’t charged the gate and that what had unfolded had happened because there were too many people in the Leppings Lane end, which was contrary to what some national television broadcasters had reported at the time. The clip I’m talking about is quoted at the beginning of this blog. There and elsewhere, I’ve seen Beecroft praised for the job he did that day, for taking the time to establish the facts before reporting what he knew to be accurate. It’s such a shame that not everyone reported on Hillsborough in this matter.
He did a great job, I know he was fuming at some of the newspaper reporters who were already concocting ‘stories’ before the players went offMust also mention poor Bill Arthur who covered it on City, he’d been at Bradford as well
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Beecroft
It’s there as clear as a bell with the commentator mentioning about drinking in the original commentary. How come then that he comes out of it smelling of roses?
I’m just book-marking this video. The key bit is between 1:18 and 1:24 the guy lying on the wall at Heysel, I’ve pointed to before. He kicks out. At risk of repeating myself, I think this could be key in showing how it may have been done. I think he may be an actor taking his position before the crowd clears and he can play dead. This is possibly the same way Hillsborough was pulled off from within the crowd.
DalTampra
Well spotted xilefilex! That’s two examples of trying to get ‘comfortable’ on the wall’s edge. As you do.
I think we might be onto something…
DalTampra
A DELIGHTFUL RETURN TO BRADFORD
A very recent ( well, two day old) comment on this full original footage, pointed me to this gem.
At 7:44 the very last thing we hear, in the background, is ”fUCK OF YA BASTARD!” in a good Yorkshire accent. Haha!
Then the screen goes black and the numbers 11,13 and 26 are there for what it’s worth. I just loved the ”Fuck off ya bastard!”. Someone else in the comments suggests it’s the crowd shouting up at the commentator, as they’d noticed people looking up and shouting earlier.
It’s funny, whatever. If they were shouting up at commentator John Helm then that would be telling. His Alan Partridge delivery of ”Look at that!” as the Burning Man strolls into view with a police escort! Haha. He’s like Alan Partridge getting heckled ”Fuck off ya bastard”
He wasn’t up very high as we see here at 1:29 in the below gem of a post psyOpera film. Bradford City Fire: A Year On.
(NB: John Helm begins the film dutifuly reading to script and saying how ‘resilient’ Bradford had been.)
”Fuck off ya bastard!” seems incongruous! haha
DalTampra
So, the domestic football season 2013/14 has just come to a close here in the U.k.
The last game was the FA Cup final which was on terrestrial ITV beginning at 5pm. The following show scheduled was Britain’s Got Talent. I would imagine this is the no.1( in viewing figures) show at the moment. The game went to extra time and therefore there would have been lots of people who wouldn’t normally be watching football – tuning in. Was this deliberate? I think it was.
‘Bloody football’. It’s big in lots of places. It’s big in the UK. It covers the back pages of the newspapers. It’s a conversation like the weather in the England. Football…
Arsenal won the cup.
Post Boston bomb, I became more aware, like a few others, of how sport could be directly linked to psyOps. Then in London we had the Woolwich Op last May 22nd (just at the end of the football season). We had the African-islamic fundamentalist agenda (Boko Haram, Kenya, Nigeria) being very clearly signaled when a Drummer Lee Rigby, an off duty soldier, wearing a Help For Heroes( War Charity) T-shirt was supposedly beheaded in the street. The assailants stood around for mobile phone camera interviews waving hatchets and with hands apparently covered in blood. Red hands you see? ( Just incase there was any doubt who did it).
The three part name Drummer Lee Rigby was duly asserted in the media, as was his apparent love of football.
DLR is a railway line in London which goes through the heart of the financial district. Part of it runs from Bank in the West to Woolwich Arsenal in the East.
The next station up from Woolwich Arsenal is King George V. The name of this station was changed in 2005 deliberately, it would appear to me, in order to refer to the Woolwich incident through Arsenal and then to align them with Royalty in V for Victory perhaps. Either way Woolwich Arsenal on the DLR looked outstanding to me.
This may be a challenging concept to some, but it seems very clear to me that this deliberate football reference with the station Woolwich Arsenal is there.
Post Woolwich I thought Arsenal looked like they were set to win the league, possibly. They’d won nothing in 9 years but I put some money where my mouth was.
I saw a lot of 14 references in subliminals (I was thinking 2014 -nothing else) related to Arsenal when I started looking.
They didn’t win the league but they won the Cup.
I’ve seen evidence to say they may be fixed to win something for the next four years.
DalTampra
Interesting that this blog post has just been rushed out….
I could have gone to Valley Parade that day and, as I so often did, sit on the TV gantry with friend, colleague and football commentator John Helm. I chose not to for reasons I can no longer recall….. John Helm was so sensitive in his commentary that day. His words: “Oh the poor man, the poor man” have stayed with me ever since…Ten years after the fire, and with safety at football grounds uppermost in my mind following the disasters at Bradford, Heysel and Hillsborough; I researched and produced a documentary for the ‘Dispatches’ strand. My film, commissioned by Channel 4, led me to many grounds where they still had wooden stands….
– Vernon Grant – May 11, 2014
http://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/uk-news/2014/05/23/jurors-to-visit-hillsborough-scene/
May 23 2014
The jury of 11 will leave the regular courtroom in Warrington for the day and travel to Sheffield, home of the Hillsborough stadium.The hearing was told of key events accompanied by rarely seen footage of the day taken by police and BBC cameras and stadium CCTV as the cup tie began.
Jonathan Hough QC, counsel for the inquest and Neil Malkin, the senior investigating officer for Operation Resolve, the police’s criminal investigation into the disaster, took the jury through events of the day, interspersed with a compilation of both black and white and colour video captured from the cameras.
I wonder if there is any footage which is not publicly available so far?
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/uk/jurors-to-visit-hillsborough-scene-1.384390
[press association]
note the expression of the guy in the white shirt, front left. Looks pretty cool.DIRTY FOREIGNERS TRYING TO CHEAT?
With the World Cup in Brazil now only days away, football still dominates the back pages here in England.
For years we’ve heard vaguely of sports fixing from ‘Asian Syndicates’. Always ‘Asian betting syndicates’.
These ‘investigations’ present the illusion of accountability, they divert attention AND they broadly discredit ‘Foreigners’ – in this case Asians – as cheats, into the bargain. We form our opinions and the repeated reference builds a picture of ‘them’ as cheats ( not our lot) and that the game is well policed at home.
As some of us now know, the whole game is rigged from the very top of power by those that own the leagues. The illusion of really keeping football a fair game is very important to preserve. To show they are ‘policing’ it in this way is a simple, but broadly effective technique. I lived for years hearing these rumours and thinking that this sports fixing was sort of an Asian
thing.Today we have the story that the NCA – Britain’s ‘equivalent of the FBI’ we’re told – are looking into match fixing allegations before the friendly between Scotland and Nigeria ( Mail article linked below).
I can just sense people thinking: ”Oh yeh…the dirty Nigerian’s. That Boko Haram lot kidnapped all those girls as well.” And other dark rumours.
Here we see both a cover story and anti-African propaganda, in one. If you think young men at work up and down Britain aren’t sitting round at tea-break saying ”Dirty Nigerians, Boko Haram…Woolwich…”? Think again.
The last thing they’re thinking at that point is that ‘our lot’ the ‘the ones looking into it’, could actually be the ‘fixers’ here.
The bold headlines at the top are all you’ve really got to read. There’s no depth to the article at all.
Despite that, it’s been headline news on all sports media since early.Just a note on a thought. For years we’ve had the email bombardment from Africa of ‘apparently’ blatant scamming. Many of these have been absurd. It strikes me I should look at those as possible long-con, internet propaganda.
DalTampra
An intelligent comment here
INTERVIEW: DAVE HILL ON BARNES, SUAREZ AND RACE IN LIVERPOOL
Neil DBut once the Taylor report was published and recommended All Seating, Football was only going to go one way and that was price out some of the lower earning famlies as football becomes more and more mainstream to “middle” class familes…..By bringing back standing, of course in a control and suitable way “think German stadia” then we can start to think about connecting football back to the local communities around anfield which are some of the most disadvantaged by a reduced ticking pricing.
The added effect of bringing back the atmosphere back to premier league stadiums.
This is never going to happen especially in the short term and probably never. Do big clubs really care about the demographic of its crowd as long as its a sell out?Thus started the great divide. Also between clubs as the top ones pulled the ladder up behind them.
THE GLOBAL CIRCUS – THE WORLD CUP 2014 BRASIL- IS HERE
Banazir posted this clip in the chat which is quite informative, in a jokey way.
What a whole can of worms FIFA is. The award of the World Cup 2022 to Qatar appears an absurdity too-far. It’s been universally lampooned. We even have Barack Obama chiming-in, saying he thinks it was a mistake.
I wonder how this will play-out. Will FIFA and Sepp Blatter be eventually over-ruled and the location of the tournament be moved? Will the whole thing be blown-up as an expose of FIFA corruption, presenting the illusion of accountability – a ‘cleaning-up’ of Football’s act?
The award of the tournament to Qatar came on the back of the 2010 Neo -Imperialist venture in Libya, where even before the bombs had stopped dropping, a deal had been done for the Libyan oil to be exported through Qatar. The selling of the oil began immediately, ostensibly to support the courageous ‘rebels’ in their ‘War effort’. The hypocrisy of this presented reality was made oh-so-clear to anyone who really bothered to look (hardly anyone), when an Al Qaeda flag was seen flying over the ‘rebel-liberated’ Benghazi Courthouse.
That Qatar was then apparently used as a hub for ‘covertly’ funding Islamic Fundamentalist terrorism throughout the world on the back of the fabricated ‘Arab Spring’, shouldn’t be a surprise.
The original award of the World Cup to Qatar, seemed like a reward.
Maybe it was, and maybe it’s one they can change their minds about later?
Certainly with Obama chiming-in, there’s a mainstream idea that FIFA has made a mistake with Qatar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepp_Blatter
Meanwhile, back to 2014 Brasil. How will this be played? I’m comfortable with domestic football at the top-level being fixed, it must surely follow that the World Cup is controllable? My mind goes to Ronaldo’s strange panic attack on the eve of the ’98 final.
Who is going to be fixed to win this time?
I haven’t got an angle on the tournament winner at this point, but I keep thinking about Nigeria. Nigeria are in a group with Iran, Bosnia and Argentina.
From Wonkypedia:
”Nigeria is a middle income, mixed economy and emerging market, with expanding financial, service, communications, technology and entertainment sectors. It is ranked 26th in the world in terms of GDP (nominal: 30th in 2013 before rebasing, 40th in 2005, 52nd in 2000), and is the largest economy in Africa (based on rebased figures announced in April 2014). It is also on track to become one of the 20 largest economies in the world by 2020. Its re-emergent, though currently underperforming, manufacturing sector is the third-largest on the continent, and produces a large proportion of goods and services for the West African region. Nigeria recently changed its economic analysis to account for rapidly-growing contributors to its GDP, such as telecommunications, banking, and its film industry. As a result of this statistical revision, Nigeria has added 89% to its GDP, making it the largest African economy.”
Nigeria has a ‘vast wealth in fossil fuels’.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nigeria
The Nigerian group Boko Haram have been ‘promoted’ as a new bogeyman in Africa
over the last year or so.The Woolwich hoax of last spring presented the very strong basic message ( primarily to the British public ) of African fundamentalists with blood on their hands.
I’ve read the pattern of propaganda and false flags to perhaps mean a British military campaign in Africa is in the offing.
Just prior to the World Cup, Scotland were penciled in for a friendly with Nigeria and prior to the match there were stories across the mainstream media in the UK, of match-fixing surrounding the game. I posted about it above. Much as the details were beyond-vague, the story was run as a back-page headline and drummed-into-the-heads of anyone who was reading the paper, watching television or listening to the radio.
I wonder, will Nigeria ( the top-rated African team ) make some sort of show in this World Cup?
I’m not calling them the winner, but on this World stage it would seem a natural opportunity to keep Nigeria in our minds.P.S. theprice1 posted a clip (just above) from the Scotland v Nigeria friendly. It’s so obvious you’d think he did it on purpose!
DalTampra
Here’s a short, scruffy, speculative film I made about subliminals in football titles in England – I leave it here as a short musical interlude.
For the record. Arsenal did win the FA Cup ending a 9 year trophy drought.
They didn’t win The Double…not this year…DalTampra
The yellow jersey stuck a chord: sorry it’s even further off-topic here than the Clapham junction event…
Evening Standard June 17 2014
Aside from the fact that the photo is a staged event with actors, note the yellow jersey symbolism which the paper’s editor draws our attention to.
[we know definitely it’s staged because of words like “purporting” and ” if authentic” – probably as authentic as Osama bin Laden’s VHS tapes. Never mind.]
http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/sarah-sands-firing-squad-shows-how-we-lost-the-iraq-plot-9542984.htmlHaha! Well we all know where the Clapham Junction thread went after that xileffilex? It was a train crash. We got off track and it was derailed…on purpose…as we discovered…are you not seeing the signals?
Once more your fire seems to have been stoked and you’re letting off steam.
What fascinating place are you taking us this English Summer’s day as we pull away from this platform?The Daily Mail, a seemingly prominent, internet, ‘news-for-morons-en-masse’ outlet at the moment walks us through Iraq, in pictures big and bold here: –
I suggest anyone interested open that news/propaganda thread in another window to ‘get the full picture,’ if you will.
THE YELLOW MAN
In the ‘yellow man’ referencing that I saw with the football, it was presented quite clearly in a ‘both arms up’ position – as in that yellow version of the Humanist symbol perhaps ( I make no leap-now). The celebrating position or the surrender position, perhaps? Always both arms outstretched anyway.
The guy in the photo above does have both his arms straight out. If we are to suppose the yellow shirt is contrived then this is possibly consistent with my earlier theme.
The nod to Iraq on this football thread, is totally relevant, I think, because football is everywhere – in the shirts.
Now, leading up to that ‘ominous’ yellowman photograph we have these two:
These pictures, as presented in sequence by The Daily Mail could be working with subtle suggestion. In the first picture we see two completely red shirts. No.17 is the only number in view.
Then in the next shot we see a blue and red striped shirt (al la Barcelona) with a number 18 on it which we view upside down. There may then ( I’m just riffing) be some suggestion, very subtly, of a 19. A little bit like those letter morphing tests we have to take sometimes to ”verify” ourselves. The number could morph a 19. Because it’s upside down and because there’s a subtle hint of a cartoon 9. It’s not even there, but it’s there. If you get me?
We were already going there anyway. 17, 18, 19(sort of/maybe/unclear) – then our eyes are shown by the open palm of the hidden-face-with-the-gun – a black shirt with an 11 ( hey, is it even LL?) – again upside-down.
As we follow the story so clearly shown by the open palm, leading our eyes to a further number 11 on a black and red shirt – bottom right.
Finally there, sneaking-in, bottom-right too, I note we have the ( ‘offensive in Muslim countries’ ) bare-soul-of-the-foot signature.
How many people really look much further than this on this thread as they browse on their phone over tea break? This little trio of pictures – shirts -17, 18, (maybe 19), 11,11 , yellow shirt guy…
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Then, no more football for a few pictures.By the time we get to a peaceful scene – people sitting around, the good Iraqi guys, as presented, called to ‘Defend Iraq’. We see yellow flags and a football shirt is there. The ‘return of the blue and white striped shirt’ in fact. If it wasn’t very subtly framed to say ‘Defend Israel’ it could work like that anyway. Subtly, as I say.
Then, no football shirts for several more photographs despite plenty of people being shown and then this one with this caption – ‘In this image posted on a militant Twitter account, militants parade down a main road in Mosul, Iraq.’
So clearly a 19 is on view on the white shirt there. The blue shirt next to it is not so clear. A ten is represented to me but we can’t tell for sure what number it is.
It’s 19, I suggested 19 was possibly being hinted at in the previous shirt and there’s one there. Direct from the ‘baddies’. Maybe…?
Now the one I’ve posted at the end of this post, (of the ship), was from ‘A hand-out picture released by the US Navy.’
I assume 41 = 90 is supposed to represent something officially. Here we see George was the 41st president of the US.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_George_H.W._Bush_%28CVN-77%29WW2 and then Gulf War 1? Is that the reference? I guess so- Pearl Harbour and then Desert Shield, Gulf War 1. A nod to that dubious history.
Interesting why they needed to contrive such a clear yellow equals sign. It reads 41 = 90. The yellow man? The yellow 11? – The two raised arms? Just thinking out-loud. You could read it backwards as 09/11/14 – just sayin’.
I really don’t want to get too lost in numbers but it may be worth remembering at this point that I have already pointed to seeing 19’s in reference to football and specifically to a 14 -19 ( I interpreted this as 2014 -2019) connection. A potential red-shirted, Arsenal campaign ( which I see aligned to military activity) I’ve seen foreshadowed. The video that I posted just up on the thread The Theory of Yellowman, shows me pointing at these numbers – and the 11.
To be clear, 14 (dash) 19 – along with yellowman – have been deliberately presented, in reference to Arsenal. That isn’t fanciful in my understanding, at all. I’m kind of asking ”Look, I know this sounds tenuous, but look back at the 19 shirts on my little yellowman film. I posted that the other day and then – hello – there it is – nnnnnn nineteen.
It could be said that we’ve been led, as we scan idly down this Daily Mail presentation of shiny propaganda, by football shirts and numbers- from 17 to 18 and maybe 19 and then 11 and 11 and then nnnn 19 again.
This US Navy handout further on is it’s own animal. But it’s interesting…if we see perhaps the equals sign as that yellow 11, that yellowman eleven,
In 1972 I was reading a Thomas the Tank Engine book in Havant library, one summers afternoon. Leaning back on my chair I overbalanced and crashed two feets backwards down from a raised reading area through a large potted plant.
So engrossed, was I.
If you want to get side-tracked and let off steam xilef, that’s fine by me. I love playing trains.
I want to be Thomas the Tank Engine.DalTampra
On re-reading my previous post, I want to apologise for my somewhat haphazard effort.
It’s fine but I wonder ‘am I putting people off’? Am I being too free-form?
The number 18 shirt in the picture following the 17 shirt is clear. So are the ‘elevens’ (or even the 77 or LL, which the black shirt, half obscured, could be read as).
Perhaps by suggesting a morphing figure 8 into a 9 and calling it 19, I’m being too imaginative. I don’t need to make that leap
Because the next picture of a football shirt is of a 19 anyway.
we see – 17,18 and 19.
Further little number signatures- I saw that The USS George Bush’s full ‘name’ is presented as USS George H.W. Bush (CVN-77)
and it’s 333 metres long.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=uss+george+bush&oq=uss+george+bush&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l3.14706j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
DalTampra
nope. free form is good. here’s some of my own.
i’m of the age that the platonic ideal of a soccer ball happens to be the addidas telstar. you know– the one with the black pentagons surrounded by white hexagons. the telstar made its world cup debut in 1970.
the players were literally kicking around a replica of the first commercial satellite, the telstar1. here’s a little propaganda piece about telstar1 by at&t. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKH-GijnAGk.
turns out that the bbc was the “international coordinator” (according to wiki) of the ritual launch of this peculiar psy-op– and to think, i thought it was just the inspiration for r2d2. wiki also apparently knows that poor r2’s transistors got fried by the van allen belts and a high altitude nuclear test called starfish prime.
tom, have you ever heard of joe meek?
Since we started off with several big crushes, I think it’s time to have a look at this one..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/stories/09/a795909.shtmlSomeone tripped on the stairs causing many others to fall. 300 people were crushed into the stairwell within a few seconds, 173 of them died and over 90 were injured. The worst civilian disaster of the 2nd World War.
Bethnal Green Council had written to the government asking for permission to alter the station entrance and make it safer if a lot of people wanted to use it. The Government department refused and the Borough Engineer wrote a stronger worded letter explaining that the entrance and stairway needed several measures to make them safer. Again the government refused permission. The Council’s borough engineer wrote a third time to plead for permission to alter the entrance, but was once more refused.
The day after the disaster all these measures sought by the Council were put in place
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Some sources put the figure at 178, but 173 is the figure given on a plaque at the station and is also the figure given in the government inquiry, so that is the figure used here.PC Thomas Penn, who was escorting his pregnant wife to the shelter, arrived on the scene as the disaster was unfolding. To assess the scale of the event he crawled over the massed bodies to the bottom of the 19 steps and found 200 people in a space the size of a small room. PC Penn climbed out again and sent a message for help, before returning down the steps to help extricate people from the tangle of limbs and torsos.
…the details of an inquiry by Mr Laurence Dunne were kept ‘under Lock and Key’ due to security considerations
Now, we’re almost back full circle…
Name: Thomas Penn
Born: October 11, 1914 Liverpool, England
Died: in May, 1983 Liverpool, EnglandBorn 49 Mark Street, Liverpool.
Married St James-the-Less, Bethnal Green, London.
Occ Police Constable.
Buried Anfield Crematorium, Liverpool.
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