March 13, 2018 at 5:11 pm #852753March 13, 2018 at 6:50 pm #852756
It seems London Gatwick was the UK’s own Kathmandu, staging two significant crash hoaxes in 1959 and 1969. The advantage over Heathrow is that Gatwick is in a semi rural location.
Going backwards in time…
1969 – Ariana Afghan Airlines [yes! a plane spotter’s dream!] Boeing 727. Very similar to Nepal in 2018, and we had a hero – PC Simmons who saved a life! 50 perished, allegedly. But there were supposedly 11 survivors. All “victims” bar one were from Afghanistan, Pakistan and India. Hmmmmm
An obvious hoax. All the usual ingredients, triage centre, house demolition [later used in the Concorde crash hoax], miracle baby survival…. the crew didn’t seem to want to “die” either in this event, all survived, unlike in…
The 1959 “crash” which involved a key player in these events, Turkish Airline,
it’s first. [the above AFghan plane had called in at Istanbul en route]
The Turkish prime minister, no less, was on board [allegedly]
As with the later 1969 crash, the local hospitals were part of the drill.
Turkish Premier Adnan Menderes, who was seated at a left window seat in the rear passenger cabin, survived the crash with only light scratches to his face, hanging in an upside-down position with his foot stuck in the floor
Not much wreckage, as usual, but the all important “Turkish” and “airlines” signwritten panels survived undamaged. Another miracle.
Bonus item 1 Heathrow Staines crash June 18 1972 [what a busy period for air crashes!] BEA flight 548, well documented, and an extraordinary event, nobody noticed it! Crazy, when the flight path is alleged to have crossed a main road at 90 degrees, to land in a nice quiet field. [@2.42 in the video]
the plane seems to have made an “emergency stop” between two lines of trees, a nice secluded location. Total nonsense, of course. A transparent staged event.
“The crash at first went almost unnoticed” LOL! 90 degrees across a busy main road….
Oh yes, the pilot, Key, 4 years off retirement. A good script. See also 11.55 et seq with running crisis actors.
Bonus item 2, here’s a real beauty, Stockport, near Manchester 1967. A pathetic hoax, the usual tailfin [British Midland] and some controlled house demolition and a few torched cars. How could we have fallen for this nonsense? [72 dead 12 survived, allegedly]
At 0.43 in the video, note the Beck and Pollitzer Hydrocon mobile crane – probably the one used to dump the piece of plane over the railings.
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From Russia with Love, Diamonds are Forever:
– Precious metals and diamonds rained over the runway and a swathe of Yakutia
– The hatch door of the plane fell off near a car market without causing injury
– The plane bound for Krasnoyarsk then made an emergency landing at Magan
– The nightmare happened on takeoff from Yakutsk, the regional capital
A plane lost much of a £265 million cargo of diamonds, platinum and gold on takeoff in Siberia.
The treasures fell out of a loose hatch in the plane’s hold.
Precious metals and diamonds rained over the runway and a swathe of Yakutia, the coldest region in Russia [and the world, outside of Antarctica, ideal stage location].
The hatch door fell off near a car market without causing injury. The plane bound for Krasnoyarsk then made an emergency landing at Magan after discovery it had been haemorrhaging valuables.
The nightmare happened on takeoff from Yakutsk, the regional capital.
‘The Nimbus Airlines AN-12 cargo plane hit problems during takeoff and the treasures fell out of the hold all over the runway,’ reported The Siberian Times.
‘The plane plane then dropped some bars of gold as far as 15 miles from the airport.’
Police sealed off the runway and a vast search is underway.
Only secret services operatives are allowed to take part. It is unclear if it was an accident or a deliberate attempt at a ring heist.
Technical engineers at the airport who prepared it for takeoff have been detained.
They are undergoing interrogation,’ said a source.
The cargo belonged to Chukota Mining and Geological company. Some 75% of shares belong to Canadian Kinross Gold.
Yakutsk is capital of Yakutia or the Sasha Republic, Russia’s diamond producing region.
Precious metals and diamonds rained over the runway and a swathe of Yakutia, the coldest region in Russia
What a well-organized rain of gold bars, staying exactly within the limits of the black tarmac, amazing!
The plane bound for Krasnoyarsk then made an emergency landing after the discovery that it had been haemorrhaging valuables
So where was this photo taken then? In Yakutsk, before flying off? Why take this photo, super secret Russkis? Or in Magan, after the emergency landing? While “raining gold for 15 miles”, this neat pack is what is left?
Gold and platina fell out of cargo plane in Yakutia. It is unclear if it was an accident or a deliberate attempt at a ring heist.
And what about neither of those two, DailyFail?
Note the plane number:
The Nimbus Airlines AN-12 cargo plane (pictured) reportedly hit problems during takeoff
Oh yes, we have a big problem! Where is this police mans head? Ah, that is solved in the video below, he has a black cap on, not really unexpected in the average -38 degree climate of Yakutsk… The tear in the underside (?) of the plane (?) looks artificial…
A plane lost much of a £265 million cargo of diamonds, platinum and gold on takeoff in Siberia after the plane’s hatch door fell off near a car market
Lucky car market, this guy parked just inches away from where this piece would “fall” (note lack of impact) from the sky, or unlucky that he wasn’t there to catch some diamonds and gold and platina bars…
Or, as RT reports:
A Nimbus Airlines An-12 plane was carrying more than nine tons of material belonging to the Mining and Geological Company in the neighboring Chukotka region, Russia’s Investigative Committee confirmed Thursday. The unsecured cargo fell from the back of the plane when the hatch opened during take-off. The offending hatch then detached from the plane and fell on a local auto market. No one was injured in the incident.
Of course, you don’t notice that when you fly off, a hatch door opening, that can happen to anyone…
Time Magazine, one of the most extreme cases of VVS I have seen, even going sideways…
But answers one of the earlier questions; the neatly packed gold bars are photographed after the alleged “nightmare” of “haemorrhaging” diamonds, no shit!
The Nimbus Airlines plane took off for Krasnoyarsk carrying 9.3 tons of gold and other precious metals, according to a statement from the state Investigative Committee, reported by CNBC.
Local witnesses reported that the photos [???] were gold, platinum and gems. TASS cited officials from the Interior Ministry as saying that some 172 gold bars weighing about 3.4 tons were recovered. According to the Mash Telegram channel, the total cargo is worth the hefty sum of 21.6 billion rubles (US$380 million).
Indeed guys, real gems. They are just out there in the details, for all of us to see:
It’s -21C in Yakutia, sunny, we expect showers of diamond, platinum and gold… Plane loses its $368 million cargo; gems and precious metals rain over Russia’s coldest region as police and secret services stage emergency search
According to an official from the Canadian-based Kinross Gold Corporation, which operates mines in Russia, the trove are Doré bars, semi-pure alloys of gold and silver which are later transported to a refinery for purification.
A doré bar is a semi-pure alloy of gold and silver, usually created at the site of a mine. It is then transported to a refinery for further purification. The proportions of silver and gold can vary widely. Doré bars weigh as much as 25 kg. According to the United States Census Bureau, the creation of doré bars is conducted at establishments engaged either in “Gold Ore Mining” (NAICS Code 212221), or “Primary Smelting and Refining of Nonferrous Metals
Without a shadow of a doubt, a 25 kg gold-silver alloy Doré bar this! Or a mammoth incisor:
This Doré lost her labeled jacket on the way down, chilly being naked!
How to pack a money scam within a money scam?
Gold rush in -24C to find the $368 million treasures that fell from back of plane. Tickets to Yakutsk sold out. Locals do not believe official claims that the precious metals have been found.
Some nice photos at that Twitter account, enjoy!
Hmmmm, let’s see:
– why would anyone pack all that gold, platina and diamonds on 1 plane anyway?
– Plane “taking off from Yakutsk, losing precious metals for 15 miles (or about 23 km) and emergency landing in Magan? The distance between these two airstrips (airport is a bit of a stretch) is just 13 km !! (Something not hidden on Wickedpedia: “It is served by the Yakutsk Airport as well as the smaller Magan Airport.”)
– Time Magazine already uses the Zal Rule, dobre den guys, nice you read Fakeopedia!
Per CNBC, authorities shut down the runway and have recovered 172 gold bars so far, but since the gold was spread over some 10 square miles [so not 15 miles], treasure hunters will undoubtedly be out in force looking for lost cargo for some time. Or this is simply the plot of the next installment in the Ocean’s franchise.
"A truth seeker is someone who dares to wade through thick series of toxic smoke screens and tries not to inhale" - Gaia (2017)
"What do you call 'genius'?" "Well, seeing things others don't see. Or rather the invisible links between things." - Vladimir Nabokov (1938)March 16, 2018 at 1:07 pm #852816
Latest fake plane/chopper crashes/insurance jobs – March 11/12 2018
First up, a daring ditching of a helicopter in the NY East River, a kind of mini miracle of the Hudson…..
Some of the worst acting imaginable from one of the victims’ sister and mother
Who can believe for one moment that these dupers really think their son and brother is dead.
The lawyers must also have a drink from this hoax
An abject aviation hoax.March 16, 2018 at 6:10 pm #852821
Grand Canyon helicopter crash hoax management
[not yet incorporated into this list of helicopter crashes – wonder how many of these are scams?]
While we’re in the Grand Canyon, so to speak, here’s an obvious fake mid air collision from 1956, 126 dead [suuure]
On April 22, 2014, the site of the crash was declared a National Historic Landmark, making it the first landmark for an event that happened in the air. The exact location of the crash site is being kept secret, having been redacted from the officially released nomination form.
this accident prompted the FAA and NTSB to make flight recorders mandatory on U.S. airliners
Oh no, sidetracked again.
Anyway here’s the bulletin on Jenny [why do they keep calling her Jennifer? It’s not her birth name] Barham
March 6 2018 [“crash” was on Feb 10]
upgraded to fair condition at a Nevada hospital. [from critical]
JustGiving total £14,682 so far. Excellent.
Mustn’t forget to give the lawyers a drink, the hoax managers did remember…
Lawyers for Philip and Marlene Udall, of Southampton, claim that their 31-year-old son would not have sustained “catastrophic” burns if the Airbus EC130 B4 had been fitted with the fuel system.
The Udalls are asking for in excess of $195,000 (£141,000) in damages, as well as punitive damages and a jury trial.
The lawsuit comes after it was announced that Papillon would fit 40 of the crash-resistant tanks to its fleet following the crash, which Robb called “too little, too late”
[lawyer Gary] Robb said he previously won a $38m (£28m) lawsuit for Chana Daskal, who suffered burns over 85% of her body, having been the sole survivor of a Papillon crash in the Grand Canyon 17 years ago.
In 2010, Mr. Robb authored the book, Helicopter Crash Litigation, published by Lawyers & Judges Publishing Company. The Second Edition of this acclaimed book was published in 2015. In 2009, Forbes Magazine referred to Mr. Robb as “by far the most successful helicopter crash trial lawyer in the country.”
hmmmmmApril 7, 2018 at 5:56 am #853252
Bizar praktijktentamen: helikoptercrash nagebootst
Bizarre practice exam: helicopter crash simulated
Clip length: 1:33
Attachments:You must be logged in to view attached files.April 7, 2018 at 10:00 am #853257
Ho ho, you never get that much wreckage in a “real” helicopter crash! It always seems to evaporate on impact.
Which reminds me….poor hoax management of the Grand Canyon helihoax. Calling Jenny…
Jennifer Barham, also known as Jenny Dorricott, is among those injured in the helicopter crash at Grand Canyon West on Saturday. She is a partner at a London law firm and was dating one of two brothers who died in the crash: https://t.co/aVT4pI4iAQ
— Kaila White (@kailawhite) February 15, 2018April 14, 2018 at 4:40 pm #853547
There are some similarities in the Basle “crash” to that the next year, 1974, in France involving Turkish Airlines flight 981, which was briefly discussed a few years ago… [@gaia, we just missed the March 3 anniversary of the hoax]
Well, fancy that, a woman writes into the BBC about a difficult period in her life back in 1974
from about 39.00
one aspect being that her mother died in the Turkish Airlines “crash” along with a friend of her mother.
From the details she gives, one can discover that her mother was
Mrs. Isobel Kennedy Griffin, 52, widow, two children, shop assistant
from the blog. The interviewee, her daughter Yvonne Aitken,doesn’t mention her mother was widowed. One notices online that as well as a sister, Yvonne had a brother who died aged 12 in 1966…
photo with memorial
· 26 November 2017 ·
My suspicion, is that the unnamed friend was, on account of the proximity of their addresses
Mrs. Isabella Wilkinson, 51, widow
Mrs Griffin’s estate was administered in 15 days! [Leeds, MArch 18 £884, address 11 Anthard Garth, Walkington, Beverley, East Yorkshire.
Mrs Wilkinson March 14 [11 days after the crash!!!] 71 Norwood Grove, Beverley, East Yorkshire £7397
No fewer than SIX fashion models “died” in the “crash”.
Mr. Ian Roger Fuller, 24, fashion model
Mr. Michael Hannah, 24, actor-fashion model
Miss Prudence Hedley Pratt, 30, fashion model
Miss Pamela Sheel, 28, fashion model
Mrs. Georgina Weld-Forester, 22, married, fashion model
Mrs. Wendy Wheal, 24, married, fashion model
and TWO wine merchants
Mr, Nigel John Norcliffe Roberts, 24, wine merchant
Mr. Nicholas Jeremy Stewart Fripp, 25, married, one child, wine merchant
Mr. Michael George Beckwith, 28, married, one child, doctor and his wife Fatricia Ann, 30, teacher
Mr, Charles Christopher Bowley, 53, married, two children, doctor
Mr. Otto Sigmund Kohnstamm, 72, married, one child, doctor and his wife Winifred, 51, secretary
Mr. Anders Sipo Qunta, 59, married, one child, doctor and his wife Margaret Mary, 60
While we’re here, another suspicious crash which needs investigating
Air France flight 447, 228 “dead”
Tony Cable worked for the UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch for 32 years. He was the senior investigator on the fatal Concorde crash in Paris ten years ago, and on the Lockerbie bombing. **
‘The normal way of investigating an accident is to look at the crash site. In this case, though, there’s only a small amount of floating wreckage,’ he says.
here’s the hoaxed wreckage
** safe pair of hands.
Airbus 330, it fell into the Atlantic, with little trace except the above….June 8 2009April 14, 2018 at 4:57 pm #853550
Mid 1950s, I’d say. Mr Griffin with his daughtersMay 16, 2018 at 7:14 am #854158
A staged heli crash and how you stage them for TV/movies
Here we go
Take-off in Frisco, Colorado
pilot – Patrick Mahany, off to retirement somewhere
The big fire afterwards, with TV coverage of the amazing survival of the passengers and the rapid death of the pilot….with the emerging “Witness” Kurt Weitkunat in that easily sealed-off location behind the trees, conveniently in a car lot.
and the “emerging CCTV footage”
Hoax management – [Denver post, link above]
Paramedic and flight nurse David Repsher and flight nurse Matthew Bowe were critically hurt in the crash. The pair have sued the helicopter’s operator, Air Methods Corporation; the manufacturer, Airbus Helicopters S.A.S; and the distributor, Airbus Helicopters.
the huge damages settlement, $100m….
[also contains footage of Dave, minus the tip of his nose and the CCTV footage of the chopper dropping onto the RV, cutting before the “Spread” of the fire. Perhaps there’s a big crane, or heavy lift chopper droppinig it.
And here’s how a minor helicopter crash is staged [without the fire!]
PS It seems like the Colorado crash was a variation of the 2013 Oklahoma City “crash” where one paramedic, Billy Wynne, died and the pilot and paramedic Mark Montgomery and Chris Denning “died”
“blamed on ice”
suuure Nice Walmart advert though.May 16, 2018 at 7:42 am #854161
Quite a bit of duping from Tina Dzurisin from the St Ann retirement center in OK City.
The witness at the end obviously didn’t see anything.
Strangely, or perhaps not, it was just weeks after another chopper “crash” in Oklahoma, near Seminole
and in 2016 here’s yet another Medical helicopter crash in LAWTON Oklahoma. I wonder if Chris Kendall witnessed that one, which looks more real than the others – no injuries, prominent location.
Finally, a historical 1993 sporting themed “fatal helicopter crash”involving NASCAR star Davey Allison in Talladega, AL, just aerial footage of a wrecked chopper, which he had only bought 3 weeks before….
Davey Allison’s car crash is, however, very serious from the previous year
An Update on Davey Allison’s Helicopter Accident: Birmingham attorney
Jim Thompson was the lead attorney in a lawsuit filed on behalf of the Davey
Allison estate that claimed a flawed part called a collective yoke – not
pilot error as the National Transportation Safety Board ruled – caused the
July 1993 crash at Talladega Superspeedway that took Allison’s life and
injured his Hueytown neighbor, Red Farmer. McDonnell-Douglas, the California-based aircraft manufacturer that owns Hughes Aircraft, which built the helicopter, settled the suit for an undisclosed sum in 1996 without admitting fault. McDonnell-Douglas, the
California-based aircraft manufacturer that owns Hughes Aircraft, which
built the helicopter, set
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The 1974 Paris forest Turkish Airlines crash has a sporting theme [Rugby clubs]
Let’s look at the “crash” site more closely
same old shit, if you ask me.
Stiff upper lip BBC narrative from the time
From Getty image dump
Just a mid 1970s version of the 2018 Toronto sidewalk tarps.May 17, 2018 at 6:36 am #854188
It would be interesting to me to find a major air crash that we could say with conviction was real just to see what a real one looks like!
I certainly don’t reject the idea that this incident was faked, I just hadn’t looked at it and don’t know.
There’s a few details in the numbers which made me raise my eye-brows slightly.
First off, this ‘World record’ air crash happened on 3/3 /1974
The 177 British dead in this ‘most fatal plane crash in history’ also has to be noted.
The other one was that it was said to hit the ground 77 seconds after the original explosion.
These numbers don’t amount to coincidences too-far and could be retrospectively massaged, but they did make me wonder.
It occurred in broad daylight at a quite popular tourist spot. We’re told
”Many Sunday strollers saw the crash. There was disagreement among them as to whether the plane had been on fire before crashing, but most agreed that thick smoke was pouring from the huge trijet as it came down.”
After 9/11 we know anything is possible with planes in broad daylight, but with this being a popular tourist spot and a Sunday, my impression is, it doesn’t seem like a truly isolated area. Lots of people could see the plane crashing and members of the public could have been first on the scene.
I’m not saying this means it has to be real, it just isn’t a completely isolated
area, in this case.
You say this crash ” had a sporting theme (rugby clubs)” xileffilex.
Was there more than one team like Bali ? I’ve only read about the Bury St Edmunds team at this point.
The victim list has a somewhat familiar and broad international coverage. There were apparently 177 Britons, 48 Japanese, 44 Turkish, 25 Americans, 16 French, 5 Brazilians, 3 Argentine, 2 Australian, 2 Indians, 1 Belgian, 1 Cypriot, 1 West German, 1 Irish, 1 Moroccan, 1 New Zealander, 1 Pakistani, 1 Senegalese, 1 Spaniard, 1 Swedish, 1 Swiss, and one South Vietnamese.
I don’t know, I really don’t have a firm take with this one.
I’d like to think that I’d be able to tell straight-away just by taking-in the media, whether a crash was real or not if it happened today.
I have less of a feel for this retrospectively. I could say in casual conversation that it was ‘probably fake’ like a whole bunch of other major incidents, but I wouldn’t say it with much conviction.
DalTampraMay 17, 2018 at 9:52 am #854189
There was a second rugby club on the flight, Tom – from Stockport, as noted earlier in the thread.
Incidentally, just today, there’s a sudden outbreak of Rugby club players dying in Sri Lanka….
A video of the rubbish dump/crash site in 1974
and a recent update, including footage of a “recovered” forest
Some nice photos here. e.g.
ist still looks like a load of aircraft junk dropped from above, with concomitant tree surgery and a full scale drill going on on the forest floor.
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Ok. It wasn’t another rugby club exactly, on the flight, but four members of a Rugby club from Stockport who had travelled to watch the Four Nations match against France in Paris.
I’m not saying that this isn’t notable, but on that day with other flights back to London being cancelled, it strikes me as possibly quite likely there would be some other rugby fans on that plane.
That said, I couldn’t help a double-take at this cartoon-like picture of alleged victim Sydney Waterhouse. It’s just one of those ‘enhanced’ images, isn’t it, but it could make one think!
Another image linked to that Manchester Evening News piece says it’s the ‘Remains of the aircraft’ but looks like a photo from a different, more recent crash. I think it’s flight 1951 which went down in 2000.
Another example of sloppy journalism, I guess.
If we look at say Shanksville on 9/11 and the scene of that crash, we can certainly say that didn’t look right, but I just can’t reach a firm take, here with this old one.
There must have been – I think – some genuine major airline crashes at some point, shouldn’t there? I’d still like to look at one that we think is real, to compare.
With this Paris one, the tops of the trees look a bit dodgy to me as if they’ve been sawn off. Would they really be neatly sheared like that by a plane flying into them? I don’t know, but it does look a bit questionable.
Sorry to not be more firm with my take here, but for me the evidence remains indecisive at this point.
DalTampraMay 17, 2018 at 5:49 pm #854192
I mentioned earlier that one of the Manchester Evening News photos is of a much later Turkish Airlines hoax.
But here’s a copycat piece of hoaxing from another French “crash”, from the 1970s, a peak period for air crash fear porn.
Let’s stick with French “crashes” for a while.
An Inex Avia DC9 plane from Yugoslavia crashed in a remote area of Corsica in December 1981… 180 “dead”
same old format, a piece of fuselage, as employed in 1974 in the Turkish Airlines “crash”.
This “crash” was one of the trio of top French crashes, along with Turkish Airlines 981 and the 2000 Concorde “crash” which I’ll come to later.
They are nicely listed here along with some minor French accidents.
For some reason, the Corsican “crash” is not included in this conspectus of French aviation crashes, but it does mention the spectacular crash of the Concorde lookalike Tupolev Tu-144 Concordski in France in 1973 in Goussainville at the Paris Air Show.
Was that real? We need to look, bearing in mind that a staged hyper-realistic “crash” drill was alleged to have killed 11 people near to the Shoreham air show
on a sealed-off piece of road and which continues to give nourishment to the legal profession 3 years later as the miraculously surviving [for the purposes of the narrative] pilot is tried at the Old Bailey
Is this French Tupolev crash just another example of controlled demolition?
Is that the best “footage” they could get in 1973? Looks like a 1923 silent movie
just the one clip.
One more important French “crash” from 1992
– 20 jan 1992 : un Airbus A320 d’Air Inter assurant la liaison Lyon-Strasbourg s’écrase sur le Mont Sainte-Odile, près de Strasbourg: 87 morts, 9 survivants.
same old same old…
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