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  • #856369
    Unreal
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    Conspiracy research is difficult as the public dispose of mostly biased information presented by the press and unreliable witnesses. Most events in addition will happen at locations we have no means to visit or verify ourselves. In other words, it is difficult to go beyond analyzing biased material and to gather evidence first hand.

    Additionally, most researchers will by now be familiar with the fact that not all alternative researchers produce work that help better our comprehension and rather employs their efforts to mislead the few skeptics who legitimately search for genuine answers. Such disinformation is more prevalent in the Truther scene than many might want to admit* and in any event very damaging to truthful alternative research.

    From extensive conspiracy research and with awareness for media-fakery it is evident that real violent incidents are quite rare and that such exception share very few communalities with the habitual fake operations.

    With the above in mind, it is therefore evident that contrived elements in conspiracy research often will exploit the fact real witnesses and direct knowledge is so sparse and script themselves into some scene or event in order to gain interest and to earn a “specialist” role in particular events – like how Richard Grove invented himself in the midst of the WTC center without merit.

    No matter how plain and straightforward it is to conclude how important it is both to scrutinize the messenger and the message when it comes to conspiracies an alternative research, it is still surprising that experienced Truthers are compelled to state they have direct knowledge or been witnesses to suspect media events while refusing to engage with fellow researchers to explore such valuable first-hand knowledge.

    Of course when such unproductive and incomprehensible situations do materialize, the odds of finding good intentions and authenticity are very, very low.

    Nevertheless, out of respect for genuine research we still need to apply caution and proceed as with any other suspect event and produce even more detailed analysis and research in order to clean up our very own base & back-yard.


    Kham introduces 2011 Muckleshoot Casino witness testimony 10 Oct 2017
    Issue 23: Hi, ‘Does Rocketry Work in the Vacuum?’
    (Galaxy shooting witness testimony from 1h18min into the show)

    ” Having been in a bar shooting where 2 people died and 3 people were injured from gunfire I have the advantage of telling MY story, regardless of social norms.

    What I experienced was that IMMEDIATELY when the gunfire started the establishment emptied out, people ran past the shooter before the gunfire ceased. People got the heck out!!! NO ONE stayed behind to get under blankets, or to be hugged by other party goers for emotional comfort, or to give statements to the media. Those who stayed behind needed immediate emergency medical assistance. There were exactly 3 people who needed emergency medical assistance so only 3 people stayed behind. The people who needed emotional comfort or blankets received them at home where it was safe with loved ones. Thing is, at the time of the shooting, as I recall, no one knew how many shooters were in the vicinity. Even though the first shooter stopped after he emptied his clip how does one know for sure if he is the only shooter? The natural instinct was to err on the side of caution and leave before any other shooters opened fire. Since I was in a pile of people with my daughter up by the stage who hadn’t been able to escape, I was able to witness the entire event (…) ”

    Kham on CF, 12 Nov 2018

    What is now apparent* is that Kham repeatedly have confirmed she was indeed a witness to the 24th of July 2011 shooting where 42 year old Cesar Chaparro opened fire on his estranged wife, her boyfriend and five others in the crowded Galaxy club in the Muckleshoot Casino in Auburn (contrary to what “K” claims, there does not appear to be any confirmed deaths).


    Reuters article from 26 July 2011 : Seattle-area gun rampage
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-shooting-casino-idUSTRE76P0LK20110726


    *research has shown a large part of alternative media is in fact produced by intelligence and does not present genuine studies (forum, article)

    *thanks to Cluesmember ‘Observer’ and Fakeologists Faye, Matti and Xileffilex for contributing thus far and for having the necessary courage to discuss openly

    #856370
    Unreal
    Unreal
    Participant

    In the Auburn reporter of 12th August 2011 there is a detailed report made from the surveillance video that describe the shooting. The account is quite different from what Kham contends as she claims the shooter (Cesar Vielma-Chapparo) emptied his “clip” and “chambers” on the victims.

    Not only does the gunman’s ex-wife (Blanca Arroyos) not die, but nobody else dies either to my knowledge as Vielma-Chapparo will be charged by King County Prosecutors of seven counts of first-degree assault or “attempted murder” and therfore not actually succeeding in his dark deeds.

    So the witness statement Kham gives is quite faulty as there were 7 individuals shot and nobody died – a NDSPGH* in other words.. The “realness” of Kham’s testimony is thereby largely flawed and factually contends two wrongful deaths. Sounds like a bad script (if that needed any repeating).

    Auburn Reporter, August 12, 2011
    Auburn Reporter August 12 2011

    *NDSPGH – Nobody Died Somebody Presumably Got Hurt

    #856371

    xileffilex
    Participant

    I don’t think we have finished with this K-hoax by any means, notwithstanding the shut out bid by original stirrer Observer, the standard ‘move on, nothing to see here routine, so familiar to us.

    Let’s get back to analysis of non-black box hoaxes, studying the visuals…. but the Cluesforum thread on the tasty, for Fakeologists, California bar fake shooting, pregnant with opportunities for “some VISUAL hoax-busting like we love” is dead in the water. Curious, as is the silence of Kham on either thread, leaving it to interlocutor Observer to paper over the crack in her story. Well, at 1.30 am at least it wasn’t a school day later that morning. Perhaps someone can translate all that IP address/zipped body bags/7 year Easter egg gibberish for me.

    furthermore it’s not irrelevant either that the event was probably yet another #NDNGH, the emphasis being on the probable absence of any injured persons.

    Let’s look at how this black box hoax unfolded on twitter…the timings are local Pacific time… newest at the top. And here’s the AP/Police report
    https://www.policeone.com/active-shooter/articles/4103998-7-wounded-in-casino-shooting-near-Seattle/

    Kim Vatis @KimVatis
    24 Jul 2011 6:57 AM
    AP: 7 wounded in Muckleshoot Casino shooting near Seattle.

    MyNorthwest.com ? Verified account @Mynorthwest
    24 Jul 2011 4:19 AM
    Shooting at Muckleshoot Casino leaves multiple injured http://bit.ly/q3Xs1L

    Celeste Adame @celesteadame
    24 Jul 2011 3:17 AM
    Shooting at Muckleshoot Casino!! Damn. Hope none of my family was hurt.

    Dayna (Reid) Mason @DaynaJoMason
    24 Jul 2011 2:56 AM
    Just experienced a shooting at the Muckleshoot Casino. A bit traumatized. 🙁

    Seattle Places @Seattle_Places
    24 Jul 2011 2:47 AM
    For my tweeps who are awake it sounds like 5 people were shot at the Muckleshoot Casino in Aub… http://schmap.it/36Nqxg?a (via @cohenkomo)

    Lindsay Cohen Verified account @lindsaycohen
    24 Jul 2011 2:41 AM
    Clarifying here: witnesses report 5 people injured at shooting at Muckleshoot Casino in Auburn. Suspect possibly in custody.

    mikell young ? @mikellyoung
    24 Jul 2011 2:18 AM
    Jesus christ~> RT @cohenkomo For my tweeps who are awake 5 people were shot at the Muckleshoot Casino in Auburn. More info as I get it.

    Lindsay Cohen Verified account @lindsaycohen
    24 Jul 2011 2:14 AN
    For my tweeps who are awake it sounds like 5 people were shot at the Muckleshoot Casino in Auburn. More info as I get it.

    Dugless206 @Dugless206
    24 Jul 2011 1:56 AM
    Folks just got shot up at the muckleshoot casino! It’s real out here! #Auburn. It’s just like #Compton.

    Christian Pepin @ChristianPepin
    24 Jul 2011 1:39 AM
    I’m at Muckleshoot Casino (2402 Auburn Way S, Auburn) http://4sq.com/nCJqJ7

    Donte Robinson @DRobinson__23
    23 Jul 2011 9:56 PM
    Just arrived @ muckleshoot casino…hosting a party tonight @ club galaxy

    There may be other tweets, haven’t checked out Casino Galaxy search terms yet.

    • This reply was modified 4 weeks ago by  xileffilex.
    #856375

    xileffilex
    Participant

    One last tweet – the first mention of this club on twitter for MONTHS – and amazingly it’s from the night of the “shooting”. 3 months since the last mention, and a nearly a year from the one before that. Hmmmmmm

    Karin Parrish @velvetbag
    In club galaxy with ma sis again lol (@ Muckleshoot Indian Casino in Auburn) http://tellmewhere.com/p/qaemT6
    10:50 pm – 14 Jul 2011 From Auburn, WA


    LOL indeed!

    PS the obvious crisis actor image posted by Observer at CF is actually from a parallel hoax which was run in daylight in a Seattle shopping centre, and certainly NOT coincidentally just two days after the well documebnted Norwegian Breivik #HRDPAR

    • This reply was modified 4 weeks ago by  xileffilex.
    #856378
    Unreal
    Unreal
    Participant

    @xileffilex:

    Did Karen really Parrish ?

    #856379

    xileffilex
    Participant

    @xileffilex:

    Did Karen really Parrish ?

    Not only did she survive, but she thought it was so unremarkable that she didn’t tweet about the Club Galaxy event. But she was off to Reno the following weekend for a nice break from all that shooting…
    Karin Parrish @velvetbag
    12:58 am – 23 Jul 2011 From Reno North, NV
    Wow were am I! Lol (@ 250 Lounge in Reno) http://tellmewhere.com/p/jwi6s1

    Karin Parrish @velvetbag
    9:11 pm – 22 Jul 2011 From Reno North, NV
    Cage fights baby (@ Grand Siera in Reno) http://tellmewhere.com/p/EBssN5

    Karin Parrish @velvetbag
    12:52 pm – 22 Jul 2011 From SeaTac, WA
    Delayed flight! Wow (@ Airport: Seattle-Tacoma International Airport in SeaTac) http://tellmewhere.com/p/nFAt2Z

    LOL indeed!

    K-Parrish and sis must surely have come across K-Ham and daughter in the club.

    Karin’s FB posts are too copious to scroll through back to 2011, but she’s hearing gunshots [unspecified] in 2018

    Karin Parrish
    27 March ·
    Wow I heard gunshots outside now sirens

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    #856382
    Unreal
    Unreal
    Participant

    Let’s look at how this black box hoax unfolded on twitter…the timings are local Pacific time… newest at the top.

    The twitter activity looks pretty ackward and also reminiscent of the fact Kham mentions 5 victims (2 dead & 3 injured) which is contrary to police reports and trial data.

    From the names of the “tweeters” it is nevertheless curious that there are so many seemingly scripted names, and the content of the tweets themselves also appear trivial, repititive and unemotional. These people are supposed to be out late, in a casino gambling, possibly drinking and being scared beyond reason.

    ===
    Kim Vatis (What is)
    Celeste Adame (A “heavenly/celeste” Dame)
    Dayna (Reid) Mason (Reid Mason – Dier Mason)
    Lindsay Cohen (Lindsay – lie & say & Cohen means ‘priest’ in hebrew)
    mikell young
    Dugless206 (Dugless – gudless)
    Christian Pepin (Pepin = trouble in french)
    Donte Robinson (Dante & Robinson – many literary references in one name)
    Karin Parrish (Parrish – perish)

    [corporate entities]
    MyNorthwest.com
    Seattle Places
    ===

    If we consider the artificial nature of the names and the frequent errors about the number of victims, it becomes plausible there were changes made to the narrative according to the security footage which was later used by hospitals, court officials and police in their handlings of the aftermath. On the other hand – those who were briefed beforehand might not have gotten the necessery updates, which now make all these testimonies – Kham’s included – demonstrably false according to video, hospital records, police reports and trial data.

    ” The man allegedly went to Club Galaxy at the Muckleshoot Casino to look for his estranged wife. He opened fire after he found her on the dance floor, injuring the woman, her sister and a male friend.
    The man also shot into the crowd, authorities said, injuring four other women at the club. Four remain hospitalized while three others were reportedly treated and released. ”

    Native American news, information and entertainment (Indianz)


    All news reports, police reports, hospital records and trial details agree there were 7 people shot in all and that there were no deaths from the Muckleshoot Casino shooting. This is a crucial fact as it is quite hard to “undie” – which makes Kham’s claims unrevokably false if we “keep it real together” as Hoi & Kham like to chronically phrase it.

    Cesar Chapparo home in Covington Wash on Sunday July 24 2011
    There is really an uncanny “empty house” feeling in this depiction of Chapparo’s home – much like the home of Anette Carrion that also looked un-inhabited… article

    #856386

    xileffilex
    Participant

    The scripted nature of this drill is apparent from the early outpourings of Police Commander Jamie Sidell

    https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/suspect-accused-of-shooting-7-in-muckleshoot-casino-is-booked/

    from one of the above tweets, it is apparent that he had “solved” this case and put the narrative into the public domain about 5 hours after the incident!

    Police Cmdr. Jamie Sidell said the alleged shooter’s estranged wife “was in the company of another male. Both were dancing, both were out there on the dance floor.”

    The suspect, he said, “went up there with a purpose, so we have to assume at this point he was looking for the female victim in this case.”

    After shooting the woman and her dance partner, the gunman then fired multiple rounds inside the nightclub, Sidell said.
    Detectives said the gunman was tackled by casino security officers. An off-duty Auburn police officer, who was working at the casino, placed him under arrest.

    How did the 4 “seriously injured” recover? We are not told.

    And a facebook post by MyNorthWest.com is timed at 16.22 UTC , i.e morning in the Pacific coast summer, with the same narrative, confirmed by a commenter shortly afterwards the same morning, July 24

    sounds like the guy was fulll of rage seeing his wife/gf with some other guy- no reason to try and kill people!

    and another…

    I pray everyone has a speedy recovery.

    They will, they will…

    In fact it reads so like a drill

    The four most seriously injured victims were taken to Harborview Medical Center in Seattle, and three others were taken to the Valley Medical Center in Renton. Valley Medical Center spokeswoman Kim Blakely said the three individuals were “observed and released” after being taken to the hospital’s emergency room.

    “Nobody was injured badly enough that they required treatment,” she said Sunday afternoon.

    Susan Gregg, spokeswoman for Harborview, said two of the victims brought to the Seattle hospital were in serious condition Sunday and the other two were in satisfactory condition. She said the victims are three women, ages 34, 39 and 28; and a 29-year-old man.

    suuuuure they were.

    #856390

    xileffilex
    Participant

    I have more carefully read the [wpparent] last word on the K-hoax event from Observer
    Kham must have honestly witnessed & honestly reported…Kham was fooled by actors….Just as I theorized, they showed Kham “two dead bodies”, while their easter-egg here is “0 dead bodies.”
    Kham was shown two female actors who “died at the scene” so they must have even shown bodybags zipped.
    Their goal was to wait for Kham to eventually reveal what she honestly saw, then we would think Kham lied
    I truly believe Kham honestly witnessed 2 dead-looking women zipped up and wheeled away by the coroner.
    They want us to say, “Kham lied, or is stupid, burn the witch, ban her, and if you don’t, Simon must be bad too.”

    Er, no.

    C’mon folks it’s quite possible this whole “news doesn’t match Kham’s report” is a long-con hoax to divide us.
    And it’s also quite possible that Kham simply saw a real shooting and mistakenly assumed the 2 women died
    So, bottom line, even though Kham said “2 died”, even though the media says “0 died”, I still trust Kham more.
    Kham seems to me to be an honest lady who simply happened to witness a real shooting or was shown a hoax.

    Either way, as Simon rightly said ***, nothing can take away from, much less nullify, Kham’s contributions here.

    And so I seriously am stating my opinion that the media reports saying different are meant to discredit Kham.
    Perhaps they even went so far as to show just Kham’s IP address media reports back in 2011 saying “two died.”
    Kham was shown 2 females who “died at the scene” and was shown articles which said “2 died, at the scene.”

    I hereby rescind my previous rude demands for Kham to answer the 15 questions – answering them is moot.

    The hoaxers were hoping to make us doubt Kham by showing her “two dead” and having media tell us “0 dead.”
    The hoaxers were also hoping to gaslight Kham into doubting herself, “But, but, I SAW the 2 dead at the scene.”

    The hoaxers were waiting for a CF reader like myself to fall into their false-dichotomy “2 died or Kham lied” trap.
    But we can survive and thrive by laughing at the hoaxers’ idiocy, and proclaiming: “0 died, AND Kham never lied!”

    and from SacredCowSlayer
    tremendous job [Observer]

    My own instinct here (based largely on experience) was that, regardless of the underlying story, Kham is (and was) being honest…..what better way to convince the “locals” (and then some) than to use a person with pre-existing credibility ** to recount his or her experience so as to further muddy the waters.

    ** mid 2011, remember. Oh, and the Seattle news channels were not reporting anybody had died later that day in 2011 and confirmed the next months. Date of Podcast, with much clearer appreciation of the “nutwork”, one hopes – October 2017. And if I were caught up in a #HRDPAR I’d certainly be following the story in the MSM.
    I think we need Kham back in the witness box.

    *** I am having trouble finding this quote by Simon. What he actually did say, was

    As for Kham witnessing a shooting (I don’t put this beyond the realm of possibility) it certainly is a bit odd that she has never shared such a dramatic firsthand experience with me. I’ll be looking forward to read any available media reports about this shooting event.

    Me too.
    Well, I think we have found as many available media reports as we are going to find. The one person who could clear up this “misunderstanding” is Kham herself.
    What’s holding her back?

    Footnote The names of the “injured” not dead in this psy-op are listed here in the Auburn Reporter from August 10 2011

    #856412
    Unreal
    Unreal
    Participant

    From the investigation of Annette A. Carrion it became apparent that there existed a language barrier for the english speaking audience who were unaware Carrion had significant hispanic coverage as she clearly was a followed media figure to the spanish audience.

    For the english speaking audience what we got was a rebranded version of her profile as the psyop itself was rebranded for the american/international audience. In other words, any psyop might appear different according to what language/public it is sold to…

    Regarding the Muckleshoot Casino shooting there appear to be an hispanic angle much like in the case of Carrion. What does not get much attention is how the brother of the Arroyo sisters is a well known Mexican basket ball figure by the name of Jose Luis Arroyos and that one of Arroyo sisters who got shot was Véronica – equally a national female basketball player..

    Veronica Arroyos Mexico 2003
    Veronica Arroyos of Mexico (Captain) playing against Canada 2003

    Balean a basquetbolista chihuahuense en Seattle
    [They shoot a Chihuahuan basketball player in Seattle]

    Se alojó bala cerca de la columna de Verónica
    [Bullet lodged near Veronica’s column]

    The Muckleshoot Casino seems to be more branded with a focus on Veronica Arroyos Morales in the hispanic press which seems appropriate if she really is/was a well known Mexican female basketball player. It is curious however that such facts never even get a mention in the english speaking press – and conversely no surprise that this particular event was later chosen by Kham’s intel friends for benefitting her credence in conspiracy culture.

    The central figure in hispanic media might nevertheless be the famous basketball player “Satanas” Arroyos who seems to be particularly unlucky having his sisters shot in Seattle 2011 and his nephew Gerardo “Chumis” Arroyos González shot dead in 2018 – in addition to his own sexual abuse accusations from 2017 onward…

    José Luis Satanas Arroyos Morales
    José Luis “Satanas” Arroyos Morales – here accused of sexual abuse (2017 article)

    Gerardo Arroyos González
    Gerardo Arroyos González – shot with 11 9mm bullets (2018 article)

    As my spanish is lacklustre i rely on google translate for much of the above information, but there seems to be little doubt that there is a bigger hospanic angle to the Muckleshoot Casino shooting and that this apparent Psyop was not in any degree un-noticed by the press – especially the hispanic press.

    #856413
    Unreal
    Unreal
    Participant

    Hereunder an apparent fan-video of the basketball skills and winning record of Veronica Arroyos who got Muckleshot with her sisters in July 2011


    Veronica Arroyos Basquetbolista “Grandes Logros”
    03:02 (mm:ss) – 18 Aug 2011

    #856417

    xileffilex
    Participant

    Perhaps Kham remembers the big muscular Hawaiian [?] in the casino, who runs a concrete business in Federal Way, WA, who got muckleshot?
    https://www.aaaqualityconcrete.com/contact-us.html
    https://www.facebook.com/taukano.niutupuivaha

    Erica Kimble? to Taukano Niutupuivaha
    25 July 2011 ·
    Hey you! How are you? You got shot!? Hope you’re ok!
    Taukano Niutupuivaha Heeey other then being wound! I’m doing good…:) thanks how r things with you?

    Sione Moala Punaivaha? to Taukano Niutupuivaha
    26 July 2011 ·
    Toko I’m sorry to hear you got shot, the only good thing it miss your nuts!! Haha Take care and hurry up and get married so you can have a better life. But find the best one. Come to Aussie it is the bomb. Aussie! Aussie! Aussie! ‘Oe! ‘Or! ‘Oe. Good luck.

    ?Angie Gleed Adam? to Taukano Niutupuivaha
    25 July 2011 ·
    No! I can’t believe you got shot… what the heck what happened?

    Taukano Niutupuivaha I can’t believe it either. Lol

    nor can I….

    Mateaki Ofahengaue? to Taukano Niutupuivaha
    29 July 2011 ·
    Aye toko …how you doing ? Hope you got a good nurse taking care of you…

    Taukano Niutupuivaha Haha I’m gud man, I knw I should of carry something with me! Lol thanks bro ngali pau ange pe ena ikai fai ha fana noaia. Haha

    etc etc…

    #856419
    Terran Downvale
    Terran Downvale
    Participant

    Nice work, gentlemen! So I told myself a while back that I was done with all things conspiracy and would not be posting any new articles or comments anywhere, including Fakeologist. But with this new Carrion 2.0 investigation, I will momentarily and knowingly participate as a subject in the latest custom-designed intelligence-gathering operation to determine how much trust the few genuine investigators here still have in our self-revealing, voice-acting compadres and how willing and determined we are to “go after our own,” lol.

    I have a number of things to add, but I’ll start out with the big find I just made a few minutes ago. As has already been alluded to in this thread, the fact that the word “shoot” appears in the name of the casino should raise a few eyebrows (but only one at a time, in tribute to Cesar Chaparro’s apparent Oswaldesque one-eye arrest injury as seen in the Spanish language news report below).

    Well, apparently there is some Native American cultural event called the “Muckleshoot Sunday Shootout” that involves drumming, singing, “stickgames” and more:

    And what day did the July 24, 2011 shootout at the Muckleshoot Casino happen to fall on? If you said Sunday, you win a prize! Just like the winner of the similarly named “No Limit Hold’em – Shootout” poker tournament at the Mucklehoot Casino did on Sunday September 30, 2018. A whopping $9K (9/11?) prize at that. And the coincidental name of that particular poker champion? None other than one “Kham Xaythavone!”

    2018 No Limit Hold’em – Shootout Results

    Could this be the same allegedly real-life 40-year-old male human who resides in West Valley City, Utah?

    https://www.mylife.com/kham-xaythavone/e949960998786

    https://www.facebook.com/khamar.xaythavone?ref=br_rs

    Or one of the handful of the other male “Kham Xaythavones”, one of whom appears to have gender identity issues?

    https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100015776139652&ref=br_rs

    Exactly what kind of Sunday Shootout Stickgames do we have going on here?

    #856423
    Unreal
    Unreal
    Participant

    As has already been alluded to in this thread, the fact that the word “shoot” appears in the name of the casino should raise a few eyebrows (but only one at a time, in tribute to Cesar Chaparro’s apparent Oswaldesque one-eye arrest injury as seen in the Spanish language news report below).

    Great find Terran Downvale ! You are right about that eye as well,,

    That trial footage tells the same story with the same language like in every other PsyOp and hoax. The mere fact this shooting even went to trial goes to show how the whole arsenal of hoaxing tools were in use – and as shown above exploited both for the hispanic and english-speaking public.

    From the Police report we also know that security footage was used to determine how the muckleshooting unfolded – too bad we have no traces of this material or knowledge of this recording reaching the media at the time or not…


    The Muckleshooter going into his fail trial and 1.000.000 dollar bail

    #856425
    Terran Downvale
    Terran Downvale
    Participant

    That trial footage tells the same story with the same language like in every other PsyOp and hoax. The mere fact this shooting even went to trial goes to show how the whole arsenal of hoaxing tools were in use – and as shown above exploited both for the hispanic and english-speaking public.

    This could be a wild goose chase, but for more possible hispanic shenanigans (hispanigans?), if you do an image search for “Cesar Chaparro” and “shooting,” one image that comes up in the second row of results is a large number 7 (the number of injured victims and the oft-used zayin). The link leads to a radaris page which leads to this G+ profile for a Cesar Chaparro:

    https://plus.google.com/100699189168214208334

    Employed by Talento 7, a “Recruitment and Selection Specialists” agency. Here’s the other pic on his profile. Can’t tell if it’s the same guy:

    https://plus.google.com/photos/100699189168214208334/albums/profile/5686787932446599618?iso=false

    From Talento 7’s linkedin profile:

    Human Resources Consulting. Oriented to the recruitment and selection of personnel at the highest level, TALENTO 7 is a company integrated by a team of specialized professionals, with extensive experience in the corporate labor market. It offers a 100% bilingual service for contacts and negotiations both nationally and internationally. TALENT 7 establishes as a powerful tool the system of: “Specialized Technical Validation” Search and recruitment process that provides much more precise and specific results in the verification of skills and abilities of each candidate, as well as achieving it in a faster way. Two fundamental values: Effective approach and shorter time.

    And their Facebook page:

    Hunting Profiles
    Developing Talents
    Passion Dreams Team Warmness

    I also wonder if the name Chaparro could be a little zayin homonym joke: Shapiro?

    Also, it seems some of the image links on the gender-bending Khamlar Xaythavone’s Facebook profile are now broken. They showed up just fine before I posted my comment!

    And seriously, WTF is up with the name of this poker champion? I didn’t even search “Kham” when I found it. It came up as the second result of a search for “Muckleshoot” and “shootout.” Imagine my surprise when I saw the name “Kham” as the winner!

    #856427
    Terran Downvale
    Terran Downvale
    Participant

    Check out this Wiki entry on Slahal, the stickgame played by the Pacific Northwest Coast natives:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slahal

    Slahal (or Lahal) is a gambling game of the indigenous peoples of the Pacific Northwest Coast, also known as stickgame, bonegame, bloodless war game, handgame, or a name specific to each language…

    …Oral histories indicate that slahal is an ancient game, dating to before the last ice age.[citation needed] In the Coast Salish tradition, the Creator gave stickgame to humanity as an alternative to war at the beginning of time. The game serves multiple roles in Native culture—it is at once entertainment, a family pastime, a sacred ritual and a means of economic gain through gambling.

    So is this how the occultist controllers rationalize their psyops? The Creator gave the game of media hoaxes to humanity as an alternative to actual bloodshed/sacrifice? As silly as it may sound to some of you, this is something I’ve been seriously considering when thinking more deeply about the possible “whys” of media fakery.

    #856439

    xileffilex
    Participant


    Se alojó bala cerca de la columna de Verónica
    <span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: gray”>[Bullet lodged near Veronica’s column]</span>

    The Muckleshoot Casino seems to be more branded with a focus on Veronica Arroyos Morales in the hispanic press which seems appropriate if she really is/was a well known female basketball player. It is curious however that such facts never even get a mention in the english speaking press – and conversely no surprise that this particular event was later chosen by Kham’s intel friends for benefitting her credence in conspiracy culture.

    hmmm no hospital bed shots of Veronica…
    Blanca, allegedly shot in the chest doesn’t bother to mention the Muckleshooting on her fb pages, but Veronica, allgedly shot in the back several times, only hints at it…
    Here’s Veronica readying herself for her ‘operation’
    Veronica Arroyos Morales
    26 October 2011 ·
    Regresando del doc. Lista para mi operacion gracias dios
    Veronica Arroyos Morales
    26 October 2011 ·
    Regresando del doc. Lista para mi operacion gracias dios

    Veronica Arroyos Morales
    8 November 2011 ·
    Lista para mi operacion manana tengo q estar alas 7 am en el hospital gracias a dios todo salga bien

    no answer from Veronica to all her well-wishers, but there’s ongoing leg pain in store…
    Veronica Arroyos Morales
    18 December 2011 ·
    Hay dios dame fuerza para soportar este dolor de piernas

    Back to July – note the gathering of the sisters on July 22

    Veronica Arroyos Morales
    23 July 2011 ·
    Las hermanas arroyos faltan 2

    Veronica Arroyos Morales
    25 July 2011 ·
    Negrita ya no te pude contestar pero muchas gracias x todo
    I could not answer you but thank you very much all
    Veronica Arroyos Morales
    25 July 2011 ·
    Quiero dar las gracias a todas las personas q estan al pendiente de mi familia de corazon mil gracias los quiero mucho dios los cuide por siempre
    I want to thank all the people who are attentive to my family in my heart, thank you very much, I love you, God, take care of them forever.

    Veronica Arroyos Morales
    30 August 2011 ·
    Extraño a mi familia y a todos mis amigos
    I miss my family and all my friends

    • This reply was modified 3 weeks, 4 days ago by  xileffilex.
    #856536
    Unreal
    Unreal
    Participant

    From recent feedback* it seems K Hammad first mentionned being a witness to the 2011 Muckleshoot Casino shooting in 2016 on the Talkshoe show Talkbox that K Hammad hosts with Roch3llo (the show seems to be on a halt after publishing material mostly in 2016).

    KHam & Roch3llo : Talkbox (Talkshoe page)
    • Eavesdrop #1 Doubtful Orlando Shooting Witness 6/17/2016
    Show Page: https://www.talkshoe.com/episode/4817247
    Direct download: http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-140628/TS-1088878.mp3

    The narrative presented by K Hammad about the Mexican Muckleshooter starts at 51:40 (mm:ss) into the show and is preceeeded by Roch3llo’s testimony of her real life car accident. There isn’t a lot of precisions about how many individuals were injured or dead in this version of K Hammads dramatic experience*, and a lot of attention is focused on the gun and shooting – emptying of the clip, bang-bang-bang etc.

    Audio clip of “K” on the July 24th Muckleshoot Casino shooting (03:51 mm:ss)


    Audio clip of Roch3llo crashing her car May 25th at 7mph (01:23 mm:ss)


    *many thanks to Delcroix of Outside Radio for finding back to this particular Talkbox episode

    *it is in the Nov 12th post on Clues Forum (here) that K Hammad details how 3 individuals were injured and 2 were shot dead – which clearly is wrong according to all other sources (Police, Press, Legal).

    #856537
    Tom Dalpra
    Tom Dalpra
    Participant

    no surprise that this particular event was later chosen by Kham’s intel friends for benefitting her credence in conspiracy culture.

    Really ? Her credence ? She got it completely wrong didn’t she ? She thought people had died.
    This episode has done nothing but question her ‘credence’.

    DalTampra

    #856542
    Unreal
    Unreal
    Participant

    The Muckleshoot Casino seems to be more branded with a focus on Veronica Arroyos Morales in the hispanic press which seems appropriate if she really is/was a well known Mexican female basketball player. It is curious however that such facts never even get a mention in the english speaking press – and conversely no surprise that this particular event was later chosen by Kham’s intel friends for benefitting her credence in conspiracy culture.

    The quote above is the context for my opinion that K Hammad’s intelligence cell chose to give “K” a shooting script that was more/wider covered in the Hispanic press moreso than in the English press. This closely matches how John Adams also appear to have chosen the Annette A Carrion “death” for very similar reasons*.

    It should also be noted that K Hammad “broke” her story (afaik*) on launching her own Talkshoe channel and that being a “real” shooting witness must be seen in light of this and the fact the script appears to have been planned for giving her credibility.

    Once more, the fact K Hammad even have gotten research scrutiny is not as much due to Clues Forum who seemingly does nothing else than asking “K” questions, doing no proper research which has been only done here on the FAK forums – after Faye brought this up in a recent audio-chat (FAC511).

    The use K Hammad have made of this event is rather plain as she repeatedly has used the Muckleshoot Casino “Galaxy” Club shooting to reinforce the weight of her opinion – the fact a short handfull of researchers now have dug up facts and newsreports is clearly not something “K” or her handlers had in mind.

    In a way, it seems K Hammad felt so safe about her fake witness testimony that she added some narrative freedom with having two dead bodies fall to the floor – not remembering these two fallen bodies never went dead…

    So if K Hammad had not slipped up as she seeked out to position herself above others as an “expert” in the CF California Bar shooting thread, this would have remained a he-said-she-said story – which probably was the real ambition : to cause storm in a glass of water.

    *the Annette A. Carrion motorcycle death was largely covered by the hispanic press as referenced in the dedicated forum thread (here)

    *the “Galaxy” club is equally a humerous reference if taken into consideration that Clues Forum now in part is just that – a Tacos Galaxy club of contrived Truthers

    *in a recent audiochat, Ab did mention K Hammad had brought up the Muckleshooter before, possibly on Kham Radio, but i have no record of that presently. Anyone who overheard anything on the shooting before the june 2016 Talkbox show are invited to post the info in this forum thread

    *little else than insider member intrigue happens at CF these days, unless you’re into diet or rocks orbiting space on Nasa coordinates

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