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  • #848329

    mrg4ull
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    Photos or it didn’t happen, then I guess the
    Abbeystead disaster didn’t happen either as I have no photos to prove it, you guy’s carry on with your conspiracy theories, or maybe move out of your parents house and get a real life, I’m out of here before I move into insult mode, it wouldn’t do any good as a few morons wouldn’t understand they’d been insulted.

    #848330
    rgos
    rgos
    Participant

    Photos or it didn’t happen

    Yes, we need more proof. Read that article again:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot

    #848331

    xileffilex
    Participant

    I sat through all the currently available videos of TV coverage within 24 hours of the Lockerbie “crash” and all the usual signs were there, duping, ridiculous stories, pets, lucky escapes, the suitcase shot, dollar bills [no passports though] bored emergency services hanging around, cheerful faces.. I’ll add some screenshots later in case the videos disappear.

    My gratitude however to G4ULL for bringing up the use of Radio Hams in these drills reported as real events in the MSM, viz Raynet whose useful idiot roles adds to the official narrative. Searching for nothing but feeling they are doing a good job. It makes me think of those clowns in white suits who are always photographed padding around fake crime scenes, peering at shoes for the cameras, putting out yellow markers for imaginary bullet casings. Actually the latter class know full well that they are participating in a fraud, whereas most of the Raynet hams are well away from the hoax.
    Back to the basement conspiracy room in my parents’ house….

    Perhaps this Lockerbie Raynet searcher has some photos to help us? I wonder what Ken found under water?


    KEN WARD ?@KeninSpoons [Bolton England]
    @gmpolice I helped out (RAYNET) with the Strathclyde Underwater Search Unit at Lockerbie all those years ago.
    1:00 PM – 31 Jan 2014

    The Lockerbie fable is still being hawked around Scotland by a senior Raynet official


    Glasgow Clyde RAYNET @gcraynet
    Lockerbie Presentation by Ron GM4SRL with Raynet and Strathclyde 4×4 Response at Intu Braehead. http://fb.me/7lgcNRbe1
    7:44 PM – 20 Jan 2015

    The link is dead, but who’s Ron?
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/ron-cowan-494676105
    Consultant in Emergencies Planning and Disaster Management at Ronald M. Cowan
    Traffic Management Consultant Dumfries & Galloway Council
    May 2016 – Present (9 months)Dumfries Resilience Consultant SAFEDEM LIMITED
    February 2011 – Present (6 years)Dundee, United Kingdom
    Emergencies Planning and Disaster Management Ronald Cowan, Consultant
    February 2011 – Present (6 years)Glasgow
    Consultant The Scottish Government
    2011 – Present (6 years)
    Resilience and Safety Manager Glasgow City Council
    2008 – 2011 (3 years)
    City Emergencies Planning Officer Glasgow City Council
    April 1996 – 2008 (12 years)Glasgow, United Kingdom

    He was the RAYNET Incident Officer for the first ten days of the Lockerbie Disaster. This changed his career path and he was appointed Strathclyde’s Senior Emergencies Planning Officer (Communications) where he developed the ECN for Strathclyde which was later rolled out over the whole of Scotland. In 1996 he was appointed City Emergencies Planning Officer of Glasgow and later became the City’s Resilience and Safety Manager.

    Ron gained an MSc in Emergency Planning and Disaster Management at the University of Hertfordshire and during his career he was seconded on a part time basis to Scottish Government and was a member of the Contingency Communications Group of the Cabinet Office. He was a regular visiting speaker at The Home Office’s Emergency Planning College in Easingwold and at the Scottish Police College at Tulliallan.

    Ron co-ordinated Glasgow City Council’s response to the Maryhill Disaster, retired from Council Service in 2011,

    Ron was the Institute of Demolition Engineers in the Fall of 2014 giving his talk…
    http://ide.org.uk/2014/10/09/ide-autumn-seminar-2014/

    Mr Cowan graphically described, with the aid of his slide show, some unseen photographs of the Lockerbie [sic] and the devastation caused by the rowing of the Pan-Am flight.

    So, at the top of Raynet, there are people in the know.

    Hmmm time to have a look at the Maryhill Disaster through our Fakeologist lenses.

    PS oh dear oh dear… without derailing the thread
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockline_Plastics_factory_explosion
    a familiar pose…

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    #851146

    xileffilex
    Participant

    Not quite 30 years…not even 29 since this pre-9/11 staged event, but we get the little reminders every so often, as with this Metro piece on Alexander O’Neal
    November 6 2017

    On the road with… Alexander O’Neal

    I was on Pan Am Flight 101, the one before Flight 103 — the Lockerbie bombing — which is the flight I was originally going to catch. I still think about that escape

    Ah, the lucky 9/11 style corny escape story.
    It was touched on with mild surprise at intel hangout Digital Spy back in 2011 [Nobody there will challenge the “crash” narrative]
    https://forums.digitalspy.com/discussion/1453828/artists-that-have-cheated-death/p2
    see comment by ibeca

    I didn’t know about Take That “pop star” Gary Barlow’s involvement in the 7/7 narrative. Doing his job, like all the others I guess.

    #852960

    xileffilex
    Participant

    Not strictly imagery – Lockerbie is an event which requires careful but rewarding hoax management. But it continues to “give”, and will again do so in late 2018, as we reach the 30th anniversary.
    https://panam103.syr.edu/scope.php

    They have appointed a Remembrance and Lockerbie Ambassador at Syracuse

    Professor Lawrence Mason Jr. (right) pauses while photographing at the Lawn Bowling Club in Lockerbie, Scotland, to pose next to Jimmy Pagan, perhaps Lockerbie’s best-known resident.

    Professor Lawrence Mason Appointed as University’s Remembrance and Lockerbie Ambassador


    In the nearly 30 years since Pan Am Flight 103 was destroyed by a terrorist bomb in the skies over Lockerbie, Scotland, Mason has been a staunch guardian of the Pan Am 103 legacy on the Syracuse University campus and around the globe. For Mason, the tragedy—and the importance of the victims’ legacy—is personal. He was a faculty member at SU on Dec. 21, 1988, when the bombing took the lives of 259 passengers and 11 people on the ground in Lockerbie. Eight of Mason’s students were among the victims.

    Mason has worked tirelessly to teach others that Lockerbie should not solely be defined by the 1988 tragedy. Mason is a well-known and loved visitor in Lockerbie. He has traveled there 15 times and developed strong relationships with local community members. Using the deep connections he has built, Mason has taken over 100 students to Lockerbie, including some who studied with him at the Syracuse University London Centre. He and fellow Newhouse professor Melissa Chessher co-authored the book, “Looking for Lockerbie.” The book, through Mason’s writing and photographs, Chessher’s writing and editing, and extensive student reporting and photography, tells stories of the town that extend beyond the global disaster spotlight.

    Does it look like the youthful Prof had students 30 years ago?

    Home

    And the above Jimmy Pagan must surely be related to David Pagan, co-discoverer in 2009 of an alleged Pan Am 103 lifejacket lodged in a pine tree near Lockerbie, “in surprisingly good condition”
    Suuuure
    Mr Pagan said it seemed obvious that the lifejacket has never been used because the two gas canisters were still intact. The workmen intend to hand their find over to the disaster museum in Lockerbie this week but a spokesman for Dumfries and Galloway Police said it should be given to them.

    Read more at: https://www.scotsman.com/news/lockerbie-bomb-evidence-is-found-20-years-later-in-tree-1-829891

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/lockerbie-bomb-evidence-is-found-20-years-later-in-tree-1-829891

    The Syracuse archive is MASSIVE.
    https://library.syr.edu/digital/guides_pa103/html/
    Click on anyone of the links….

    for instance

    https://library.syr.edu/digital/guides_pa103/html/pa103_l_wilson.htm
    June and Jim Wilson are residents of the Lockerbie area and lived on the outskirts of Tundergarth in December, 1988 when Pan Am 103 fell from the sky. The cockpit of the Clipper Maid of the Seas landed in a field near Tundergarth and the Wilson’s farm was a very short distance from this. Their fields would be important points in the search effort as many bodies fell on their land. The Wilsons spent days feeding the police and investigators and dealing with the aftermath of the crash, which would extend into the new year. Media intrusions were a few of the hardships the family faced in the days following the crash.

    The Wilson Family Papers were donated to the Archives by June and Jim Wilson in 2012.
    hmmmmm
    yes, this cockpit.

    #856673

    xileffilex
    Participant

    Well, here we are, the 30th anniversary approaches and numerous “witnesses” “survivors” [lots of early ‘retirements’ already, some of them very suspicious] and gatekeepers will be paraded in front of the MSM to keep the official narrative in the public eye.

    We already have to programmes
    a 90 minute Channel 5 documentary – the Unheard Voices which may appear on YouTube at some stage and BBC – Disclosure series – The Lockerbie Legacy

    And a widely hyped story of millions and the Lockerbie ‘orphan’
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/orphan-lockerbies-son-lives-recluse-13699194

    https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/uk-news/3593683/lockerbie-son-orphan-18million-compensation-dad/

    in a nutshell…

    THE last surviving member of a family wiped out in the Lockerbie bombing would swap his £18million fortune to have his dad back, his grandmother has said.

    Luke Nesfield, 21, [i.e. born 1997] is the sole beneficiary of a compensation trust fund his father – the ‘orphan of Lockerbie’ – received after his family was killed in the disaster in December 1988.

    Brothers Steven and David Flannigan became known as the orphans of Lockerbie after their family home was obliterated by the wreckage of the aircraft, killing their parents and sister.

    They were awarded around £2.1million in compensation from Pan Am and a posthumous £6.25million payment to the trust from the Libyan government in 2003, which is now thought to be worth £18million.

    Steven died in 2000 after being hit by a train ** while his brother David died in 1993 after having a heart attack in Thailand [aged 24…] ** and Mr Nesfield inherited the trust fund after coming of age this Autumn, the MailOnline reports.

    According to the MailOnline, Mr Nesfield’s maternal grandmother said the young farmer – who was three when his father died and now lives on a remote sheep farm near the Scottish town – doesn’t care about the money.

    His paternal grandparents Tom and Kathleen Flannigan died on December 21, 1988 when the Pan Am flight 103 came crashing down on their Lockerbie home **, also killing their ten-year-old daughter, Joanne. **

    But sons David and Steven, aged 19 and 14 at the time, were out of the house ** during the horror incident.

    **suuuuuuuure
    Luke’s mother is still about though….
    There is no evidence to suggest that Flannigan S. is Luke’s father. We must believe the news….

    Steven, then 14, had avoided death after taking his sister’s new bicycle to be checked by a neighbour.

    The son of the ‘Orphan of Lockerbie’ lives as a recluse just miles from the site where his family were obliterated in the Lockerbie terror attack, it’s been revealed.

    Luke Nesfield, 21, recently became the sole beneficiary of a multi-million pound trust fund – said to be worth up to £18milllion

    to be continued.

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    #856675

    xileffilex
    Participant

    Here’s Luke’s mum Lisa
    https://www.facebook.com/lisa.nesfield.1
    https://www.facebook.com/luke.nesfield.3
    Interestingly, her brother and only sibling from Southern England also holed up in Lockerbie
    https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007667687797

    Lisa was married to a John Nesfield allegedly a gamekeeper who leaves no trace, from 2000 to 2008 and allegedly 35 years old in June 2000.
    https://www.thefreelibrary.com/I+PRAYED+LOCKERBIE+ORPHAN+WOULD+LIVE%3B+EXCLUSIVE%3A+Rail+death+agony.-a064502237
    Lisa’s mother Valerie divorced in Scotland in 1990 and married Englishman Leonard John Stevenson [1947 – 2011, apparently] the same year, who was previously married to Sheila Elizabeth Cavers in 1969 [divorced 1987] who continues to live in Hawick.
    Further details here-

    https://www.thefreelibrary.com/I+clung+on+to+Steven+as+he+died+..I+still+loved+him+so+much%3B…-a064502624
    about Luke and Steven

    John Frederick Boyce, ex- ITN cameraman and friend of Steven Finnigin in Wiltshire…. is another key player in the rather odd death of Steven Lawrence under a train in SW England where he had gone to live…
    https://uk.linkedin.com/in/john-boyce-05296b11
    https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/officers/CQnqsPi70MP4u2uC4jrfZ2Ekgik/appointments
    https://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/news/16393404.aiming-for-the-skies/
    Boyce is a key gatekeeper in the phoney death of Steven Lawrence Flannigan – as if Flannigan was going to be a pilot…. **
    Boyce is alleged to have lived with Flannigan…
    The first of Boyce and [Joanna Louise, b 1971] Shard’s 3 children was born in mid 2000, [year of their marriage] just like new parents would have a lodger with them and partner in the business of running a guesthouse **.. hmmm would you want to be running/living in a guesthouse as a 29 year old new mother? Perhaps. Perhaps not.
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/aug/27/lockerbie.ameliahill
    When Boyce and his wife, Jo Shard, moved to Ashe Cottage in the hamlet of Heywood to start a guesthouse 18 months ago [i.e. early 1999], Steven became a partner in the business and moved in with them, designing an extension for the ivy-covered cottage that included a room for his son. ***
    Really?

    Sounds like an unlikely custodian of a child when, according to the inquest, he allegedly [i.e. hadn’t] had 14 pints of lager when allegedly [wasn’t] hit by a train in Heywood after leaving a pub Hawkeridge and [didn’t] spend thred nights in hospital in Bath before dying **
    https://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/news/7394436.rail-death-brings-the-final-tragedy/

    suuuure

    Verdict – accidental death according to Paul Forrest, coroner who was apparently sacked in 2011! having ruled and then his ruling overturned, on a very suspicious father and son suicide in Crete in 2006 ….hmmm [i.e. [probably yet another hoax]
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1371726/Lockerbie-orphan-hit-by-train-had-drunk-14-pints.html

    Uncle David was found dead in Pattaya in late 1993

    ** I have covered this on Page 2

    Lockerbie images 1988

    Luke’s half brother is Jamie Gregory

    born, we are told, on October 29 1988, less than two months before the “crash”
    and incidentally born in Hawick district where, we note, was where Mr Len Richardson lived before marrying Jamie’s grandmother in Lockerbie.

    Here’s Steven describing a plane landing on his house [allegedly]
    He said later: ‘We were working in his garage when we heard this roaring noise. Then there was an almighty bang. We rushed outside but all I could see was flame and smoke. I couldn’t see my house. I didn’t know then that it was because it wasn’t there any more.’
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/lockerbie-orphan-is-found-dead-in-thai-hotel-police-investigate-drug-link-to-death-of-man-for-whom-1397225.html
    suuure

    We are told Len Stevenson died on August 14 2011
    https://announcements.johnstonpress.co.uk/obituaries/thesouthernreporter-uk/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=183145185

    however, there were a few strange posts, post-mortem, in March 2012!

    https://www.facebook.com/len.stevenson.3

    Len and Valerie owned a racehorse
    https://www.racingpost.com/profile/horse/459346/poynder-park/form

    No mention of Len’s passing here in 2011
    https://www.facebook.com/val.stevenson.56

    from 2010

    One fascinating nugget – Len Stevenson appears on a “leaked” Wikileaks lists of far-right British National Party members!

    #856676

    xileffilex
    Participant

    Back to the present….well almost. The moderator of the Church of Scotland paid her 30th anniversary visit to Lockerbie back in September. 3 months early! Curious!
    http://www.churchofscotland.org.uk/news_and_events/news/2018/moderator_pays_tribute_to_the_victims_of_the_lockerbie_air_disaster


    Rt Rev Susan Brown laid flowers at the Lockerbie Air Disaster Memorial which lies within a Garden of Remembrance at Dryfesdale Lodge outside the Dumfries and Galloway town.

    Rt Rev Susan Brown laid flowers at the Lockerbie Air Disaster Memorial which lies within a Garden of Remembrance at Dryfesdale Lodge outside the Dumfries and Galloway town.

    She spent some time yesterday reflecting on the lives tragically lost when Pan Am Flight 103 exploded 31,000 feet over Lockerbie on December 21, 1988.
    Mrs Brown also visited Tundergarth Church, close to where the nose cone of the Jumbo jet blown up by a terrorist bomb, came to rest.

    So, who’s taking the service in Lockerbie on the annversary?


    Very Rev Dr Alan McDonald, a former Moderator of the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland, is taking part….[and] is standing in for the current Moderator, Rt Rev Susan Brown, who is unable to attend.

    http://www.churchofscotland.org.uk/news_and_events/news/2018/a_message_of_hope_and_peace_on_lockerbie_air_disaster_anniversary
    hmmmm must be something very urgent to miss Lockerbie 30!

    #856680

    xileffilex
    Participant

    The newly dug up witnesses who for some reason have never spoken for 30 years [or have just been inserted into the narrative] on the Channel 5 docu [paywall] do not appear credible, the usual 9/11 style lucky escapes etc etc.

    People on twitter responding to the BBC Scotland programme [link above] are describing the accounts as “harrowing”, “heartbreaking” etc etc . I need to review this programme now.

    Here’s the accompanying BBC blog post
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/Lockerbie_Scotland_Pan_Am_flight_103

    All the usual suspects are interviewed, e.g.
    Peter Giesecke lived in Park Place in the Rosebank area of Lockerbie – a quiet neighbourhood of neat former council houses, arranged around play parks on the eastern edge of town.

    The 35-year-old’s three children were in bed when, just after 7pm, he heard a deep rumbling sound.
    From his front window, he saw a bright light fall from the sky and explode on the ground close to nearby Sherwood Crescent.
    Within moments there was a huge crash at the back door. The lights went out and the family were in darkness.
    “The children had come down the stairs, they were screaming, there was glass and debris all over the place,” he says.

    “So I got a torch and I shone the torch outside.”

    There was a strong smell of aviation fuel and debris was scattered across his garden.

    But worse than that were the bodies.

    “There were bodies over my hedge, they were lying outside the front windows. They were all over the place.”

    Forever in his mind is the girl lying on his garden hedge.
    “I shall always remember that girl – she was wearing a blue top, a sweater.”
    Peter Giesecke learned that the girl whose body he found in his back garden was Anne Lindsey Otenasek.

    The 21-year-old social work student was a native of Baltimore and one of the 35 Syracuse students.
    Sometime later, her parents came to Peter’s front door.
    He recalls that the student’s mother said “I believe my daughter was found in your garden”.
    Peter showed her exactly where he found the body and they talked about it all night.

    “We actually went out for tea that night and they were a very, very, nice couple,” he says.
    “And we still keep in contact at Christmas time and send cards and send flowers.”

    suuuuure

    And Josephine Donaldson found a handbag in her garden. [allegedly] So whose handbag? It just had to be of another high profile fictim, Nicole Boulanger, whose friend, Kim Wickham, an actor [!!] just happened to be a key interviewee on the Channel 5 documentary… and who just happened to change her flight at the last minute deciding instead to travel to Germany..
    Suuuuuure

    Josephine looked out into her garden and spotted a handbag lying on the ground.
    “I opened it up, and there was this girl’s 21st birthday cards,” she says.
    Her name was Nicole Boulanger, and she had been 21 on the 28th October that year.”
    When she switched the news on, Josephine saw Nicole’s mother waiting at the airport in New York.

    Who writes this stuff? Probably the same people who dressed up “Megrahi”


    kirstypipes ?? @KirstyPipes
    Seeing my dad on tv, in action on the night of the Lockerbie bombing is so surreal! Up most respect for him, cannot begin to imagine what he must have witnessed that night?????
    1:36 pm – 13 Dec 2018 [9:36 PM UTC]

    hmmm, I wonder what he really witnessed.

    And bang on cue, [just in time for the anniversary] Dec 19 2018

    Prosecutors are closing in on two Libyans suspected of being involved in the Lockerbie bombingit emerged today

    US and Scottish investigators are hopeful they will get permission to interview Abdullah al-Senussi – believed to have been behind the atrocity – and Abu Agila Mas’ud, the suspected bombmaker.

    suuuuuure they are.

    And also bang on cue, Peter Giesecke’s photographs from 30 years ago have amazingly just surfaced not having seen the light of day., allegedly taken by Giesicke [suuuure]

    his house on the left
    Yep, that’s flight 103 wreckage being handled by Giesicke

    A plane crash without a plane – exploded houses [obviously not one of Giesicke’s alleged photos]

    No photos of bodies, naturally. Because there weren’t any. One big staged event.

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    #856686

    xileffilex
    Participant

    Giesecke’s photos are archived on the 9/11 style Syracuse University site **
    eleven in colour with not a soul in sight, army, police, resident, nobody, save for our intrepid citizen photographer Giesecke. Suuuure. There’s also one in Black and White from Giesecke’s darkroom, allegedly. Not the usual absence of bodies anywhere.

    ** where one can also find resources for all 35 of the students who “died” 30 years ago.
    e.g. Kenneth Bissett
    the alleged flatmate of duping witness in the Channel 5 programme, Kim Wickham who for reasons unknown had kept her story quiet for 30 years… hmmm

    So, they must be new coincidences, findings, prepped and honed over the past 10 years or so for release on the 30th anniversary? Surely? Of course!
    Try this one…
    For Hamburg [USA] family, what was lost and found in Lockerbie
    Ah yes, the treasured photographs returned to the wrong person.

    Suzanne Miazga’s favorite moments from the fall semester of 1988….Yet for a long time after the disaster, Suzanne’s mother did not know of the existence of the water-stained snapshots.

    They came to her, against all logic, from the hand of another grieving mother from Western New York….Patricia Brunner, Colleen Brunner’s mother


    yup all the hallmarks of having been in a plane crash…

    Scottish farmer William….[of Tundergarth] Irving found Colleen’s suitcase on his land. He reached out to the Brunners because he wanted to be sure the suitcase made its way directly to her family.

    Suuuuure he did, no point involving the police or intelligence services, just go directly….

    One day, Richard [Temple, married to June, a neighbour of Irving] was working on his property when he noticed some objects in a drainage ditch. He realized they were photographs, caked with mud, stained with water….The only clue, the only indication of identity, was that the girl was often joined by young people wearing shirts and jackets that said, “Syracuse.”
    no point contacting Syracuse University, police, intelligence, just hang on to the photos….
    [Suzanne Miazga’s] body ***… was discovered near the doorway of an ambulance garage by one of the drivers, George White.…Eventually, after White became a widower, his long friendship with Anna Marie [Miazga’s mother] evolved into a romance. He moved from Scotland to Oneida County, and the couple remained together until White’s death, three years ago.

    hmmmm you couldn’t write this stuff….
    And then, by an amazing coincidence in 1990 [oh!] the Brunners and Miazgas bump into each other in Lockerbie and one recognises the other via a photographic lapel badge mirrored in the “water damaged photos”…. suuuuure Sounds like a film script, reads like one.

    *** suuuuure
    Meanwhile, back to the Channel 5 documentary.

    Correction – it was Kim Wickham’s friend Nicole Boulanger who allegedly died, who was an actor, not Kim.

    Another prominent “grieving relative” in the programme was Ann Mann of Cheshire.
    She was the sister of John Stevenson who allegedly died along with his whole family [two girls, 8 and 10, plus wife, a nice relocation, no grieving widows, orphans, ideal in fact, an advantageous point not lost on Mrs Mann!]

    However, Ann Mann ** is not the only close relative of the Stephenson parents….

    Geraldine Stevenson, mother of Hannah Louise and Rachael Helen, all “dead” along with husband John, had a sister Kathleen M [nee O’Gara] . Father thomas, died 1993 probably naturally, [he was late married] aged 89, of 30 Wellington Grove, Stockport. House sold Sept 2016 to the Shah family. No probate recorded.

    A Stephen W Fitzpatrick married sister of Geraldine, Kathleen O’Gara in 1974….no children. In fact they both vanish from the UK. Stephen eldest of at least 8 children.
    But it’s a dead end for the Stephen and Kathleen. They must have emigrated.
    Indeed they did, the boy dun well….. the man who’s sister “died” in Lockerbie,
    Based in Boston for over 30 years

    https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=118537235&privcapId=110048771&previousCapId=109312989&previousTitle=DPS%20Engineering%20&%20Construction%20Ltd.

    https://www.spokeo.com/Stephen-Fitzpatrick/Massachusetts/Brookline/p8844131041

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephen-fitzpatrick-414114150

    now, this is one of Stephen and Kathleen’s sons whose aunt “died” in Lockerbie
    https://www.facebook.com/dominic.fitzpatrick.10/friends
    and his wife, married 2015
    https://www.facebook.com/rosie.perkins15

    Here’s Lockerbie Geraldine Stevenson’s sister Kathleen’s facebook page
    https://www.facebook.com/kathy.fitzpatrick.90281/friends

    Some Fitzpatricks. are in Australia. e.,g Thomas D.M. [Mike] Fitzpatrick, m = Moira Kearns, Liverpool 1981. Funny that none of these make any mention of Lockerbie, ditto those who stayed behind in England.
    This is another daughter of Stephen – Jessica, no comment on Lockerbie which killed her aunt…
    https://www.facebook.com/missmarymode

    Helen Gregson is the youngest of Stephen’s 7 siblings, m 1998.
    https://www.facebook.com/helen.gregson.54

    confirmed…Fleetwood Mac were live in Boston on October 10 2014

    so here is the sister of John Stevenson “RIP”, with PhD husband “Steve”.
    Kathy Fitzpatrick
    11 October 2014 ·
    So excited to see Fleeteood Mac after 40 years
    Kathy Fitzpatrick Everything we hoped for, fantastic concert

    Brother-in-law of Geraldine Stevenson circa 2004
    https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/staff-photo-by-derek-davis-dr-stephen-fitzpatrick-displays-a-of-a-picture-id485807489?k=6&m=485807489&s=612×612&w=0&h=KZWC_D0V0GREpN1GIoYs0maa1sVJsU7W8hlE2TNWXH4=

    ** Other siblings of John, Margaret M [Evans] and Michael G b 1947/44 not wheeled out for the programme if they are still alive.

    Tessa L Mann the only child of Ann…. now Henderson,
    https://www.192.com/atoz/people/henderson/tessa/sk8/1864374192/

    whose uncle died in Lockerbie….
    https://www.facebook.com/tessa.henderson.925
    no comment on Lockerbie from her or her twin daughters, one here…

    Who’s in on it, that’s what interests me. Perhaps nobody and the disappeared just wanted to get away from all their relatives.

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    #856701

    xileffilex
    Participant

    Apart from the feature documentaries, only a few emerging stories for the 30th…

    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/lockerbie-bombing-i-finally-discovered-13771472

    Pan Am steward who lost fiancée in Lockerbie bombing cancels Scotland trip after receiving threats
    Steve Priske
    was in a relationship with stewardess Jocelyn Reina, 26, when she was killed in the tragedy.

    hmmmm
    Steve has just written about about his life in the air…
    so why cancel his trip to Edinburgh for the “30th”?
    Because of, allegedly,

    an angry reaction to the written account of his romance and claims he is trading on Jocelyn’s death for personal gain.
    He claims he has received threatening emails from members of her family – and others – following revelations in his book Flying in the Pool.

    allegedly

    The two first met six months earlier in London – Jocelyn was working out of Heathrow.
    She was set to remain in London over Christmas but managed to get on the flight as an extra crew member

    oh oh!

    “The farmer who found her said she was curled up on the ground like a baby and it looked like she was asleep.
    he was left devastated when the first officer on his flight later revealed his fiancée was also onboard

    suuuuure

    “The truth of what happened on Pan Am 103 is gruesome…”

    Here’s the crew from plane-truth
    The Pursers:
    Mary Geraldine Murphy, 51, Twickenham, UK
    Milutin Velimirovich, 35, Hounslow, UK (US citizen)
    The Flight Attendants:
    Elisabeth Nichole Avoyne, 44, Croissy-sur-Seine, France, French
    Noelle Lydie Berti, 41, Paris, France, French
    Siv Ulla Engstrom, 51, Windsor, UK, Swedish
    Stacie Denise Franklin, 20, San Diego, USA
    Paul Isaac Garret, 41, Napa, USA
    Elke Etha Kuhne, 43, Hannover, BRD, German
    Maria Nieves Larracoechea, 39, Madrid, Spain
    Lilibeth Tobila Macalolooy, 27, Kelsterbach, BRD, Phillipino
    Jocelyn Reina, 26, Isleworth, UK, American
    Myra Josephine Royal,30, Hanwell, UK, Dominican Republic
    Irja Syhnove Skabo, 38, Oslo, Norway, Finnish
    I haven’t been able to find much information about the flight crew ***
    , i.e. pictures, background, flight history etc. This proves, that whenever there happens an aircraft disaster, focus is put on the passengers, despite that it is the flight crew who often has the worst and hardest job of calming passengers, forgetting their own fright and fear…..

    Here’s the Pan Am tribute web page for Jocelyn,

    http://clippercrew.com/pan-am-crew-flight-103/jocelyn-reina/
    from
    http://clippercrew.com/pan-am-crew-flight-103/
    where we find the same list of names, plus an image of a memorial bench in Kew Gardens, UK.

    Full name Jocelyn Kimberley Reina
    born – Los Angeles, California on May 26, 1962, where she attended Cypress College…Kim had 11 months of service with Pan Am when she died; six of those months she was based in London. *** Kim was survived by her parents, Betty and Ted Reina; and her brother, John.
    Memorial, Forest Lawn Cemetery –

    *** hmmm

    John Reina has been active just recently

    John Reina? to Pan Am Museum Foundation, Inc.
    00:19 · [UTC] Dec 24 2018
    My sister, Jocelyn Reina was a flight attendant on PA flt 103, killed over Lockerbie, Scotland. It has recently come to my family’s attention that a former flight attendant, Steve Priskie wrote about her in his book, “Flying in the Pool”. In this book he asserted that they were engaged, and she was pregnant with his child, at the time of her death. These two claims are patently false, and we have the autopsy report to disprove the pregnancy claim, and my sister’s journals to disprove the engagement claim. Mr. Priskie has continued to assert these claims, despite the pain, humiliation, and suffering that his scurrrilous book asserts, and despite repeated warnings from me to stop. We are now, as her family, actively pursuing legal counsel, and preparing a lawsuit claiming Slander, and Libel. We would appreciate hearing from any former PanAm employees who were similarly treated in his book to contact us, and possibly join us in this lawsuit. Thank You, to all of the wonderful PanAm family for all of your good wishes, and condolences, not to mention support over these past 30 years. The Reina Family.

    https://www.facebook.com/john.reina.50596
    [lawyers rub hands in glee]
    copied also on the facebook page of the Pan Am Historical Foundation
    oh oh oh!

    #856702

    xileffilex
    Participant

    Apart from the feature documentaries, only a few emerging stories for the 30th…

    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/lockerbie-bombing-i-finally-discovered-13771472

    Pan Am steward who lost fiancée in Lockerbie bombing cancels Scotland trip after receiving threats
    Steve Priske
    was in a relationship with stewardess Jocelyn Reina, 26, when she was killed in the tragedy.

    hmmmm
    Steve has just written about about his life in the air…
    so why cancel his trip to Edinburgh for the “30th”?
    Because of, allegedly,

    an angry reaction to the written account of his romance and claims he is trading on Jocelyn’s death for personal gain.
    He claims he has received threatening emails from members of her family – and others – following revelations in his book Flying in the Pool.

    allegedly

    The two first met six months earlier in London – Jocelyn was working out of Heathrow.
    She was set to remain in London over Christmas but managed to get on the flight as an extra crew member

    oh oh!

    “The farmer who found her said she was curled up on the ground like a baby and it looked like she was asleep.
    he was left devastated when the first officer on his flight later revealed his fiancée was also onboard

    suuuuure

    “The truth of what happened on Pan Am 103 is gruesome…”

    Here’s the crew from plane-truth
    The Pursers:
    Mary Geraldine Murphy, 51, Twickenham, UK
    Milutin Velimirovich, 35, Hounslow, UK (US citizen)
    The Flight Attendants:
    Elisabeth Nichole Avoyne, 44, Croissy-sur-Seine, France, French
    Noelle Lydie Berti, 41, Paris, France, French
    Siv Ulla Engstrom, 51, Windsor, UK, Swedish
    Stacie Denise Franklin, 20, San Diego, USA
    Paul Isaac Garret, 41, Napa, USA
    Elke Etha Kuhne, 43, Hannover, BRD, German
    Maria Nieves Larracoechea, 39, Madrid, Spain
    Lilibeth Tobila Macalolooy, 27, Kelsterbach, BRD, Phillipino
    Jocelyn Reina, 26, Isleworth, UK, American
    Myra Josephine Royal,30, Hanwell, UK, Dominican Republic
    Irja Syhnove Skabo, 38, Oslo, Norway, Finnish
    I haven’t been able to find much information about the flight crew ***
    , i.e. pictures, background, flight history etc. This proves, that whenever there happens an aircraft disaster, focus is put on the passengers, despite that it is the flight crew who often has the worst and hardest job of calming passengers, forgetting their own fright and fear…..

    Here’s the Pan Am tribute web page for Jocelyn,

    http://clippercrew.com/pan-am-crew-flight-103/jocelyn-reina/
    from
    http://clippercrew.com/pan-am-crew-flight-103/
    where we find the same list of names, plus an image of a memorial bench in Kew Gardens, UK.

    Full name Jocelyn Kimberley Reina
    born – Los Angeles, California on May 26, 1962, where she attended Cypress College…Kim had 11 months of service with Pan Am when she died; six of those months she was based in London. *** Kim was survived by her parents, Betty and Ted Reina; and her brother, John.
    Memorial, Forest Lawn Cemetery –

    *** hmmm

    John Reina has been active just recently

    John Reina? to Pan Am Museum Foundation, Inc.
    00:19 · [UTC] Dec 24 2018
    My sister, Jocelyn Reina was a flight attendant on PA flt 103, killed over Lockerbie, Scotland. It has recently come to my family’s attention that a former flight attendant, Steve Priskie wrote about her in his book, “Flying in the Pool”. In this book he asserted that they were engaged, and she was pregnant with his child, at the time of her death. These two claims are patently false, and we have the autopsy report to disprove the pregnancy claim, and my sister’s journals to disprove the engagement claim. Mr. Priskie has continued to assert these claims, despite the pain, humiliation, and suffering that his scurrrilous book asserts, and despite repeated warnings from me to stop. We are now, as her family, actively pursuing legal counsel, and preparing a lawsuit claiming Slander, and Libel. We would appreciate hearing from any former PanAm employees who were similarly treated in his book to contact us, and possibly join us in this lawsuit. Thank You, to all of the wonderful PanAm family for all of your good wishes, and condolences, not to mention support over these past 30 years. The Reina Family.

    https://www.facebook.com/john.reina.50596
    oh oh oh!
    [lawyers rub hands in glee]
    copied also on the facebook page of the Pan Am Historical Foundation
    https://www.facebook.com/panam.org/
    where naturally we will find tributes and links to Flight 103.
    oh oh oh!

    Probate
    Milutin Velimirovich, 35, of 33, Dorset Way, Heston, Hounslow. Died “24 December 1988” Administration [no will] Estate £100,044 – quite a fortune for a 35 year old flight attendant in 1988!

    aaaaand –
    Siv Ulla Engstrom [m nee Karlson] aged 51, of 6 Rays Avenue, Windsor, died 23 December 1988 Probate with will February 14 1989 £152,368 !!

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    #856705

    xileffilex
    Participant

    Probate ctd, flight attendants –
    Mary Geraldine Murphy – 1 Cranebrook Manor Road, Twickenham, also aged 51, died 21 December 1988 (notice they all die on different days….) Probate April 10 1989 £102,700
    http://clippercrew.com/pan-am-crew-flight-103/mary-geraldine-murphy/
    ….with a degree in Social Psychology hmmm
    survived by her parents Robert and Margaret [nee Cunningham] Murphy, sisters Mairead, Patricia, Bernadette, brothers Joseph and Robert.
    and brothers
    and was “just about to adopt an older child”
    commwnt from
    Anne B Burnham (b 1937) nee Turner writes , Dec 20 2016, that Mary was her best friend at St Martin’s Convent School in Muswell Hill, London [closed late 1950s, not long afterwards]. – story checks out, but not, of course, the death, for which we have to believe the experts
    http://clippercrew.com/pan-am-crew-flight-103/siv-ulla-engstrom/
    Some kind of renaissence woman polymath…
    survived by her sister Lillian Villanueva

    Aaaand another Lockerbie anniversary story released…
    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/lockerbie-bombing-i-finally-discovered-13771472
    Lockerbie bombing: ‘I finally discovered the name of young victim 30 years on’
    Colin Dorrance was thrown into action on the night of the disaster as an 18-year-old police officer.

    Off-duty police officer Colin Dorrance [who recently retired as a sergeant aged 48] was on his way to a Christmas party when he became one of the first emergency responders in Lockerbie 30 years ago.
    Within a couple of hours he was handed the first body found from Pan Am Flight 103 for the temporary mortuary set up in Lockerbie Town Hall.

    It was a tiny 20-month-old girl and rookie cop Colin was just 18 – the youngest police officer in Scotland at that time.

    A few weeks ago he finally found out the name of the child he carried into the hall and has thought about for three decades.
    (thanks to Aunt Veronicam alleged sister of Gwyneth, but unfortunately, the name doesn’t check out as any kind of sibling to Gwyneth YM Owen b 1959….hmmmm)

    The toddler’s name was Bryony (Elise) Owen aged 1 and she was with her pregnant mum, Gwyneth Yvonne, aged 29 /strong>, as they were travelling to start a new life in Boston, USA, from South Wales.

    I bet they were.
    a farmer – obviously in shock – pulled up in a pick up truck on the Bridge Street side of the town hall and handed him parts of debris and wreckage which had landed on his farm. ***

    The farmer then brought out the body of a young child he’d discovered on his land.***

    Colin said: “I never got the chance to ask the child’s name or the farmer’s. He went off into the night *** and it was all so quick and shocking. It was 25 years later that I found out he was Ian Stewart of Halldykes Farm.

    *** suuuuure.

    There must be more of these ridiculous film script stories about this year….

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    #858291

    xileffilex
    Participant

    Gaia has mentioned the usual ‘I thought it was an earthquake’ quote which actor-witnesses always trot out following a staged crash or explosion.

    This is indeed what Josephine Donaldson said to the press in 1988
    Go to 0.24 secs in this 2018 BBC clip
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-scotland-46625262/lockerbie-remembering-my-two-girls

    “We thought it was an earthquake at first didn’t we didn’t know what it was, then we rushed outside and just [raises hands to the heavens] all this debris coming down”

    As already mentioned, Donaldson goes on to tell the STORY about the handbag of Nicole Boulanger appearing in her garden. What she then goes on to relate is that when she volunteered [suuuuuure] at the crime scene she found yet another 21st indestructible birthday card from the “crash” of Amy Elizabeth Shapiro who shared the exact same birthday! How symmetrical.

    This emerging story had appeared in the Syracuse University website in 2017
    https://chancellor.syr.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/2017.10.27-Remembrance-Convocation-Remarks.pdf
    At Lockerbie Academy, we met an older Scottish woman with gray hair, Josephine Donaldson. Twenty-nine years ago, she confronted the piles of debris and belongings of the passengers on the plane –suitcases and backpacks and purses, soaked with water and dirt and aviation fuel.
    She was among the Scots who volunteered to wash the laundry. For the families of foreigners, of strangers she never met, she laundered clothing and cleaned possessions, neatly folding and wrapping them in homemade covers, so that the families would know someone in Scotland cared.
    In the course of doing this, she discovered, in a purse and a suitcase, birthday cards to two Syracuse University students that the students had carefully saved. She realized that these two girls had been born on the same day in October and in the same year, and had each celebrated their 21st birthday just weeks before the flight.
    That discovery affected her, and she brooded on it. When October 1989
    came around, she took flowers to Dryfesdale Cemetery on their birthday to honor each of her two girls, Nicole Boulanger and Amy Shapiro. She went again that December on the 21st. She has gone every year since with flowers for her girls, every October and December.
    I asked her if she had told anyone, or had contacted the families. She said no,
    it was hard, and boy did I believe her. She did not talk about it for decades—
    she said she did not want to call attention to herself. She just thought
    someone in Scotland should remember her girls.

    Notice that the handbag story in the garden has not yet been honed, thus both sets of cards are found together in the alleged rubbish heap.

    ….a few hours after the explosion Josephine Donaldson and her husband Robert went back to their house [in Carlisle Road – where had they been for the previous “few hours”?
    There was a rumour that looters were already in the area… [suuuuuure]
    Josephine looked out into her garden and spotted a handbag lying on the ground.
    “I opened it up, and there was this girl’s 21st birthday cards,” she says.
    “Her name was Nicole Boulanger, and she had been 21 on the 28th October that year.”
    When she switched the news on, Josephine saw Nicole’s mother waiting at the airport in New York.

    suuuuure

    The alleged flatmate of “survivor” Kim Cirillo Wickham [who suddenly emerged in 2018 to tell her story] was Kenneth Bissett. Wickham mentions her flatmate was adopted in this 12/20/2018 SF Chronicle article but bizarrely omits to name him! Her “best friend” was Nicole Boulanger [vide supra]

    Wickham recently connected with the biological mother of her roommate from London, who was adopted. Wickham got in touch after the woman, whom she’d never met or even heard of, posted a photo of Wickham’s roommate on an online remembrance page for Lockerbie victims.

    Call the roommates’a biological mother, Carol King-Eckersley!
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-46059819

    Kim told BBC Scotland she lived with Ken and three other Syracuse boys.

    As an unmarried mum in 1967, Carol had given her newborn son up for adoption and promised not to interfere in his life.

    He had been due to fly home a few days earlier but stayed in London for a 21st birthday party arranged by friends.

    [the expected plot twist to get him on the plane…]

    It would not be until her husband died in 2012 that Carol decided to search for the son she had given up at birth when she was just 19.

    Her hopes of a reunion with her long-lost son were soon dashed when she discovered his name on a remembrance page for those killed in the Lockerbie bombing.

    the story emerged in 2013
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24626584
    When her husband died last year ** Carol King-Eckersley underwent grief counselling and, as part of the process, decided to search for the son she had given up at birth when she was just 19.

    She knew the name of the boy, but for 45 years she had kept her promise not to look for him or interfere in his life.

    When she searched the internet, her hopes of a reunion with her long-lost son were dashed. She discovered his name on a remembrance page for those killed in the Lockerbie bombing almost 25 years earlier.

    King-Eckersley was unable to have more children but she did adopt her late husband’s son, Ray. “One of my dreams was to introduce him to his brother but now I won’t be able to,” she says

    **
    https://obits.oregonlive.com/obituaries/oregon/obituary.aspx?n=edwin-ralph-eckersley&pid=160646736
    Eckersley, Edwin Ralph 79 Jan. 06, 1933 Oct. 01, 2012 Edwin Ralph Eckersley passed away on Oct. 1, 2012. He was preceded in death by his parents, Otho R. Eckersley and Eleanor Eckersley. Edwin is survived by the love of his life, Carol; son, Edwin Ray Eckersley (Christine); grandson, Justin R. Eckersley. Also surviving are sisters, Carolyn Wilson and Lorraine Shewbert (Bob); plus many nieces and nephews. Ed requested that there be no funeral and has donated his remains to science

    Wickham is credited with the rather awful and singular pullover photo of Bissett
    Ken, an only child, was survived by his parents, John and Florence Bissett of Hartsdale, New York.

    This collection was donated by his parents John and Florence Bissett in 1990. In 2003, after their deaths, the four framed prints were donated by his cousin Raymond Zaccardi.
    Source Syracuse

    Hmmm The Coker TWINS Jason Michael Coker and Erick Michael Coker who both died allegedly at Lockerbie, but only one of them was at Syracuse [the other at Rochester…] were from an even more complex family. Try and work this one out…

    http://plane-truth.com/Aoude/geocities/coker2.html
    Born in Troy, they were the sons of Thomas G. Coker of Mendham, N.J., and Barbara (Premo) Primeau of Greenwich, and stepsons of Dorothy Johnson Coker of Mendham. Before moving to Mendham four years ago, they had lived in Lexington, Mass., and Greenville, Green County.

    Survivors in addition to their parents, include five stepbrothers, Todd Bauer and Scott Bauer, both of Troy, and Bruce Norwell, Scott Norwell and Brian Norwell, all of Mendham; and a stepsister, Julie Norwell of Mendham; their paternal grandparents, Mr. and Mrs. Thomas Coker of Hauppauge, Suffolk County; and their maternal grandparents, Iris and Irene Rabideau Premo of Troy.

    The Syracuse university page for the twins is at variance with the first reports from 1989
    Note Todd has become Tom and they are now half-brothers of the others, not step brothers. As I said, highly complex..
    Eric and Jason were survived by their parents, Thomas Coker and Barbara Primeau; their stepmother, Dorothy Coker; their stepbrothers, Bruce, Scott and Brian Norwell; their sister, Julie Norwell; and their half-brothers, Tom and Scott Bauer.

    Some more interesting “victims” mentioned here, AP 1988,
    At the Justice Department in Washington, flags were ordered flown at half- staff in memory of Michael Bernstein, an attorney with the agency’s Office of Special Investigations.

    Bernstein, a 36-year-old father of two, had been in Austria negotiating a treaty to allow some former Nazis in the United States to be deported there.

    Also killed was Mark A. Rein, a 44-year-old treasurer and director of the Salomon Bros. investment bank and father of two. Today would have been his 15th wedding anniversary, his widow, Denice, said from their New York City home.

    Salomon were highly implicated in the 9/11 staged event.

    #858292

    xileffilex
    Participant

    Gaia has mentioned the usual ‘I thought it was an earthquake’ quote which actor-witnesses always trot out following a staged crash or explosion.

    This is indeed what Josephine Donaldson said to the press in 1988
    Go to 0.24 secs in this 2018 BBC clip
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-scotland-46625262/lockerbie-remembering-my-two-girls

    “We thought it was an earthquake at first didn’t we didn’t know what it was, then we rushed outside and just [raises hands to the heavens] all this debris coming down”

    As already mentioned, Donaldson goes on to tell the STORY about the handbag of Nicole Boulanger appearing in her garden. What she then goes on to relate is that when she volunteered [suuuuuure] at the crime scene she found yet another 21st indestructible birthday card from the “crash” of Amy Elizabeth Shapiro who shared the exact same birthday! How symmetrical.

    This emerging story had appeared in the Syracuse University website in 2017
    https://chancellor.syr.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/2017.10.27-Remembrance-Convocation-Remarks.pdf
    At Lockerbie Academy, we met an older Scottish woman with gray hair, Josephine Donaldson. Twenty-nine years ago, she confronted the piles of debris and belongings of the passengers on the plane –suitcases and backpacks and purses, soaked with water and dirt and aviation fuel.
    She was among the Scots who volunteered to wash the laundry. For the families of foreigners, of strangers she never met, she laundered clothing and cleaned possessions, neatly folding and wrapping them in homemade covers, so that the families would know someone in Scotland cared.
    In the course of doing this, she discovered, in a purse and a suitcase, birthday cards to two Syracuse University students that the students had carefully saved. She realized that these two girls had been born on the same day in October and in the same year, and had each celebrated their 21st birthday just weeks before the flight.
    That discovery affected her, and she brooded on it. When October 1989
    came around, she took flowers to Dryfesdale Cemetery on their birthday to honor each of her two girls, Nicole Boulanger and Amy Shapiro. She went again that December on the 21st. She has gone every year since with flowers for her girls, every October and December.
    I asked her if she had told anyone, or had contacted the families. She said no,
    it was hard, and boy did I believe her. She did not talk about it for decades—
    she said she did not want to call attention to herself. She just thought
    someone in Scotland should remember her girls.

    Notice that the handbag story in the garden has not yet been honed, thus both sets of cards are found together in the alleged rubbish heap.

    ….a few hours after the explosion Josephine Donaldson and her husband Robert went back to their house [in Carlisle Road – where had they been for the previous “few hours”?
    There was a rumour that looters were already in the area… [suuuuuure]
    Josephine looked out into her garden and spotted a handbag lying on the ground.
    “I opened it up, and there was this girl’s 21st birthday cards,” she says.
    “Her name was Nicole Boulanger, and she had been 21 on the 28th October that year.”
    When she switched the news on, Josephine saw Nicole’s mother waiting at the airport in New York.

    suuuuure

    The alleged flatmate of “survivor” Kim Cirillo Wickham [who suddenly emerged in 2018 to tell her story] was Kenneth Bissett. Wickham mentions her flatmate was adopted in this 12/20/2018 SF Chronicle article but bizarrely omits to name him! Her “best friend” was Nicole Boulanger [vide supra]

    Wickham recently connected with the biological mother of her roommate from London, who was adopted. Wickham got in touch after the woman, whom she’d never met or even heard of, posted a photo of Wickham’s roommate on an online remembrance page for Lockerbie victims.

    Call the roommates’a biological mother, Carol King-Eckersley!
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-46059819

    Kim told BBC Scotland she lived with Ken and three other Syracuse boys.

    As an unmarried mum in 1967, Carol had given her newborn son up for adoption and promised not to interfere in his life.

    He had been due to fly home a few days earlier but stayed in London for a 21st birthday party arranged by friends.

    [the expected plot twist to get him on the plane…]

    It would not be until her husband died in 2012 that Carol decided to search for the son she had given up at birth when she was just 19.

    Her hopes of a reunion with her long-lost son were soon dashed when she discovered his name on a remembrance page for those killed in the Lockerbie bombing.

    the story emerged in 2013
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24626584
    When her husband died last year ** Carol King-Eckersley underwent grief counselling and, as part of the process, decided to search for the son she had given up at birth when she was just 19.

    She knew the name of the boy, but for 45 years she had kept her promise not to look for him or interfere in his life.

    When she searched the internet, her hopes of a reunion with her long-lost son were dashed. She discovered his name on a remembrance page for those killed in the Lockerbie bombing almost 25 years earlier.

    King-Eckersley was unable to have more children but she did adopt her late husband’s son, Ray. “One of my dreams was to introduce him to his brother but now I won’t be able to,” she says

    **
    https://obits.oregonlive.com/obituaries/oregon/obituary.aspx?n=edwin-ralph-eckersley&pid=160646736
    Eckersley, Edwin Ralph 79 Jan. 06, 1933 Oct. 01, 2012 Edwin Ralph Eckersley passed away on Oct. 1, 2012. He was preceded in death by his parents, Otho R. Eckersley and Eleanor Eckersley. Edwin is survived by the love of his life, Carol; son, Edwin Ray Eckersley (Christine); grandson, Justin R. Eckersley. Also surviving are sisters, Carolyn Wilson and Lorraine Shewbert (Bob); plus many nieces and nephews. Ed requested that there be no funeral and has donated his remains to science

    Wickham is credited with the rather awful and singular pullover photo of Bissett
    Ken, an only child, was survived by his parents, John and Florence Bissett of Hartsdale, New York.

    This collection was donated by his parents John and Florence Bissett in 1990. In 2003, after their deaths, the four framed prints were donated by his cousin Raymond Zaccardi.
    Source Syracuse

    Hmmm The Coker TWINS Jason Michael Coker and Erick Michael Coker who both died allegedly at Lockerbie, but only one of them was at Syracuse [the other at Rochester…] were from an even more complex family. Try and work this one out…

    http://plane-truth.com/Aoude/geocities/coker2.html
    Born in Troy, they were the sons of Thomas G. Coker of Mendham, N.J., and Barbara (Premo) Primeau of Greenwich, and stepsons of Dorothy Johnson Coker of Mendham. Before moving to Mendham four years ago, they had lived in Lexington, Mass., and Greenville, Green County.

    Survivors in addition to their parents, include five stepbrothers, Todd Bauer and Scott Bauer, both of Troy, and Bruce Norwell, Scott Norwell and Brian Norwell, all of Mendham; and a stepsister, Julie Norwell of Mendham; their paternal grandparents, Mr. and Mrs. Thomas Coker of Hauppauge, Suffolk County; and their maternal grandparents, Iris and Irene Rabideau Premo of Troy.

    The Syracuse university page for the twins is at variance with the first reports from 1989
    Note Todd has become Tom and they are now half-brothers of the others, not step brothers. As I said, highly complex..
    Eric and Jason were survived by their parents, Thomas Coker and Barbara Primeau; their stepmother, Dorothy Coker; their stepbrothers, Bruce, Scott and Brian Norwell; their sister, Julie Norwell; and their half-brothers, Tom and Scott Bauer.

    Some more interesting “victims” mentioned here, AP 1988,
    At the Justice Department in Washington, flags were ordered flown at half- staff in memory of Michael Bernstein, an attorney with the agency’s Office of Special Investigations.

    Bernstein, a 36-year-old father of two, had been in Austria negotiating a treaty to allow some former Nazis in the United States to be deported there.

    Also killed was Mark A. Rein, a 44-year-old treasurer and director of the Salomon Bros. investment bank and father of two. Today would have been his 15th wedding anniversary, his widow, Denice, said from their New York City home.

    Salomon were highly implicated in the 9/11 staged event.

    #858293

    xileffilex
    Participant

    Gaia has mentioned the usual ‘I thought it was an earthquake’ quote which actor-witnesses always trot out following a staged crash or explosion.

    This is indeed what Josephine Donaldson said to the press in 1988
    Go to 0.24 secs in this 2018 BBC clip
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-scotland-46625262/lockerbie-remembering-my-two-girls

    “We thought it was an earthquake at first didn’t we didn’t know what it was, then we rushed outside and just [raises hands to the heavens] all this debris coming down”

    As already mentioned, Donaldson goes on to tell the STORY about the handbag of Nicole Boulanger appearing in her garden. What she then goes on to relate is that when she volunteered [suuuuuure] at the crime scene she found yet another 21st indestructible birthday card from the “crash” of Amy Elizabeth Shapiro who shared the exact same birthday! How symmetrical.

    This emerging story had appeared in the Syracuse University website in 2017
    https://chancellor.syr.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/2017.10.27-Remembrance-Convocation-Remarks.pdf
    At Lockerbie Academy, we met an older Scottish woman with gray hair, Josephine Donaldson. Twenty-nine years ago, she confronted the piles of debris and belongings of the passengers on the plane –suitcases and backpacks and purses, soaked with water and dirt and aviation fuel.
    She was among the Scots who volunteered to wash the laundry. For the families of foreigners, of strangers she never met, she laundered clothing and cleaned possessions, neatly folding and wrapping them in homemade covers, so that the families would know someone in Scotland cared.
    In the course of doing this, she discovered, in a purse and a suitcase, birthday cards to two Syracuse University students that the students had carefully saved. She realized that these two girls had been born on the same day in October and in the same year, and had each celebrated their 21st birthday just weeks before the flight.
    That discovery affected her, and she brooded on it. When October 1989
    came around, she took flowers to Dryfesdale Cemetery on their birthday to honor each of her two girls, Nicole Boulanger and Amy Shapiro. She went again that December on the 21st. She has gone every year since with flowers for her girls, every October and December.
    I asked her if she had told anyone, or had contacted the families. She said no,
    it was hard, and boy did I believe her. She did not talk about it for decades—
    she said she did not want to call attention to herself. She just thought
    someone in Scotland should remember her girls.

    Notice that the handbag story in the garden has not yet been honed, thus both sets of cards are found together in the alleged rubbish heap.

    ….a few hours after the explosion Josephine Donaldson and her husband Robert went back to their house [in Carlisle Road – where had they been for the previous “few hours”?
    There was a rumour that looters were already in the area… [suuuuuure]
    Josephine looked out into her garden and spotted a handbag lying on the ground.
    “I opened it up, and there was this girl’s 21st birthday cards,” she says.
    “Her name was Nicole Boulanger, and she had been 21 on the 28th October that year.”
    When she switched the news on, Josephine saw Nicole’s mother waiting at the airport in New York.

    suuuuure

    The alleged flatmate of “survivor” Kim Cirillo Wickham [who suddenly emerged in 2018 to tell her story] was Kenneth Bissett. Wickham mentions her flatmate was adopted in this 12/20/2018 SF Chronicle article but bizarrely omits to name him! Her “best friend” was Nicole Boulanger [vide supra]

    Wickham recently connected with the biological mother of her roommate from London, who was adopted. Wickham got in touch after the woman, whom she’d never met or even heard of, posted a photo of Wickham’s roommate on an online remembrance page for Lockerbie victims.

    Call the roommates’a biological mother, Carol King-Eckersley!
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-46059819

    Kim told BBC Scotland she lived with Ken and three other Syracuse boys.

    As an unmarried mum in 1967, Carol had given her newborn son up for adoption and promised not to interfere in his life.

    He had been due to fly home a few days earlier but stayed in London for a 21st birthday party arranged by friends.

    [the expected plot twist to get him on the plane…]

    It would not be until her husband died in 2012 that Carol decided to search for the son she had given up at birth when she was just 19.

    Her hopes of a reunion with her long-lost son were soon dashed when she discovered his name on a remembrance page for those killed in the Lockerbie bombing.

    the story emerged in 2013
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24626584
    When her husband died last year ** Carol King-Eckersley underwent grief counselling and, as part of the process, decided to search for the son she had given up at birth when she was just 19.

    She knew the name of the boy, but for 45 years she had kept her promise not to look for him or interfere in his life.

    When she searched the internet, her hopes of a reunion with her long-lost son were dashed. She discovered his name on a remembrance page for those killed in the Lockerbie bombing almost 25 years earlier.

    King-Eckersley was unable to have more children but she did adopt her late husband’s son, Ray. “One of my dreams was to introduce him to his brother but now I won’t be able to,” she says

    **
    https://obits.oregonlive.com/obituaries/oregon/obituary.aspx?n=edwin-ralph-eckersley&pid=160646736
    Eckersley, Edwin Ralph 79 Jan. 06, 1933 Oct. 01, 2012 Edwin Ralph Eckersley passed away on Oct. 1, 2012. He was preceded in death by his parents, Otho R. Eckersley and Eleanor Eckersley. Edwin is survived by the love of his life, Carol; son, Edwin Ray Eckersley (Christine); grandson, Justin R. Eckersley. Also surviving are sisters, Carolyn Wilson and Lorraine Shewbert (Bob); plus many nieces and nephews. Ed requested that there be no funeral and has donated his remains to science

    Wickham is credited with the rather awful and singular pullover photo of Bissett
    Ken, an only child, was survived by his parents, John and Florence Bissett of Hartsdale, New York.

    This collection was donated by his parents John and Florence Bissett in 1990. In 2003, after their deaths, the four framed prints were donated by his cousin Raymond Zaccardi.
    Source Syracuse

    Hmmm The Coker TWINS Jason Michael Coker and Erick Michael Coker who both died allegedly at Lockerbie, but only one of them was at Syracuse [the other at Rochester…] were from an even more complex family. Try and work this one out…

    http://plane-truth.com/Aoude/geocities/coker2.html
    Born in Troy, they were the sons of Thomas G. Coker of Mendham, N.J., and Barbara (Premo) Primeau of Greenwich, and stepsons of Dorothy Johnson Coker of Mendham. Before moving to Mendham four years ago, they had lived in Lexington, Mass., and Greenville, Green County.

    Survivors in addition to their parents, include five stepbrothers, Todd Bauer and Scott Bauer, both of Troy, and Bruce Norwell, Scott Norwell and Brian Norwell, all of Mendham; and a stepsister, Julie Norwell of Mendham; their paternal grandparents, Mr. and Mrs. Thomas Coker of Hauppauge, Suffolk County; and their maternal grandparents, Iris and Irene Rabideau Premo of Troy.

    The Syracuse university page for the twins is at variance with the first reports from 1989
    Note Todd has become Tom and they are now half-brothers of the others, not step brothers. As I said, highly complex..
    Eric and Jason were survived by their parents, Thomas Coker and Barbara Primeau; their stepmother, Dorothy Coker; their stepbrothers, Bruce, Scott and Brian Norwell; their sister, Julie Norwell; and their half-brothers, Tom and Scott Bauer.

    Some more interesting “victims” mentioned here, AP 1988,
    At the Justice Department in Washington, flags were ordered flown at half- staff in memory of Michael Bernstein, an attorney with the agency’s Office of Special Investigations.

    Bernstein, a 36-year-old father of two, had been in Austria negotiating a treaty to allow some former Nazis in the United States to be deported there.

    Also killed was Mark A. Rein, a 44-year-old treasurer and director of the Salomon Bros. investment bank and father of two. Today would have been his 15th wedding anniversary, his widow, Denice, said from their New York City home.

    Salomon were highly implicated in the 9/11 staged event.

    #858311

    xileffilex
    Participant

    Vexman has about Lockerbie in 2017 and has reached the reasoned conclusion that it was a pre-9/11 hoax. Having mentioned the Coker twins [and also Lynne Hartunian, see below] suddenly out of the woodwork [wonder how they came upon it?] pops two alleged relatives of the Cokers, both of them cousins, rather than the well documented half siblings/step siblings!

    It seems the “cousins” were vexed by Vexman’s hinting that the twins were not real, unhelpfully trapped in the web of the vicsim report.
    This is what Dean from Latham NY writes…
    …Jason and Eric Coker’s mother’s name is Barbara (still alive) who also had another set of twins Named Scott and Todd, who are still alive. She has 3 sisters, Bernice, Betty, and Brenda. Bernice is the other commenters mother and Brenda is my mother

    The three sisters of Barbara Primeau are not available otherwise. However, this obituary
    http://obituaries.pressrepublican.com/obituary/irene-premo-733966072
    supports the claim of Dean…
    On May 13, 2010, at Sweetbrook Nursing Home in Williamstown, Mass., Irene Rabideau Premo passed away from Alzheimer’s disease. The disease ravaged her mind and body for almost 20 years and at the time of her death, she weighed 56 pounds…..She was married to Iris (Ivan) Premo in November 1939, and they had six children.. She is survived by five children, a son, Raymond and his wife, Barbara Premo of Saranac Lake, N.Y.; four daughters, Barbara Primeau of Mooers, N.Y., Bernice Premo of Pilot Mountain, N.C., Elizabeth Murphy of Rensselaer, N.Y., and Brenda Premo of Troy, N.Y….. Irene was predeceased by her parents; and four brothers, Eugene Rabideau of Mooers, Hector Rabideau of Mooers Forks, Raymond Rabideau of Mooers and Philip Rabideau of Champlain; as well as her husband, Iris Premo; her son, Ronald Premo; and two grandsons, Erie and Jason Coker..

    Of course, not everyone needs to be in the loop in families. Or they can keep secrets.
    Of course the Dean and RKeli who came out to play on Vexman’s blog could have created their exchange based on the above obituary.

    #858340

    xileffilex
    Participant

    a farmer – obviously in shock – pulled up in a pick up truck on the Bridge Street side of the town hall and handed him parts of debris and wreckage which had landed on his farm. ***

    The farmer then brought out the body of a young child he’d discovered on his land.***

    Colin said: “I never got the chance to ask the child’s name or the farmer’s. He went off into the night *** and it was all so quick and shocking. It was 25 years later that I found out he was Ian Stewart of Halldykes Farm.

    *** suuuuure.

    There must be more of these ridiculous film script stories about this year….

    This allows an open goal for recent headlines like

    Lockerbie farmer tells of horror moment ’98 bodies rained down’ on her land
    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/lockerbie-farmer-tells-horror-moment-13761297
    suuuuuure they did

    and…

    Kate Anderson, now 56, also told of ‘poor soldiers who spend Christmas day picking up bits of bodies’….

    Speaking for the first time since the immediate aftermath of the atrocity, she said that the cockpit of Pan Am flight 103 landed 50 yards from the remote cottage she still shares with her husband, Kevin.

    hmmm, a suspicious 30 year silence.

    “We could hear the bang from three miles away and could see the mushroom from the explosion. We knew it was fuel. I thought it might have been a petrol station.
    “We could hear something whistling, so we went inside.
    “There was another bang and the electricity went off. When we went back outside, we could see something white in our field. It was the cockpit and it was about 50 yards from our house.”
    Kate and Kevin approached the shattered plane. She said: “It was silent. There was no sign of life. We looked inside and there were several bodies in there but you just knew that none of them were alive.
    “There were bodies all over our farm. We later found out 98 bodies landed in our farm that night.”

    [must have been a crowded cockpit…]

    “It felt like you were living in a film….”

    as always.

    Anyone else suddenly catapulted into the MSM to say they also found bodies on their farms? Suuuuure.

    David Stewart was 17 when he and his father ** discovered the bodies of a toddler and a baby on their farm just outside the Dumfries and Galloway town.

    Debris from the plane had been strewn across their land.

    In spring this year Mr Stewart found what he believed to be part of the plane in one of his fields.

    [** who must be the son of Ian Stewart, mentioned earlier,who we learn died in 2017]
    More planted wreckage?

    He said he did not realise what had happened until his father Ian came home in a state of shock. He had been out buying turkeys for Christmas.
    “He said he’d had the most horrendous journey coming home, because there were bits of plane and he’d driven past his friend’s farm and that was where the cockpit had fell [sic] ” Mr Stewart said.
    “There was all the luggage and Christmas presents lying all over the ground,” he said.
    There were no survivors, there or anywhere else. Just bodies

    The first body they found was that of a young woman. She was Lynne Hartunian ****, a 21-year-old college student from New York.

    “There was only really a handful of my friends know what happened that night,” he said.

    “It’s something I hadn’t really discussed with my wife. It was never mentioned. It was just basically swept under the carpet. We never talked about it to anybody really.

    Another one who has kept quiet for 30 years….and what amazing timing that the “piece of wreckage” should also turn up for the “30th”…

    …after three decades of silence, has decided he can talk about that night…

    During lambing season this year, the father-of-two spotted a partially rusted piece of metal sticking out of the mud in one of his fields.

    It looked like a strut of some kind, painted white and green.
    “I can remember all the bits of plane had that kind of green paint on the inside,” he said.
    “It’s a bit of the field I drove by and walked by many times and I never seen it before. So it’s been 30 years and there are still bits of plane.”
    In October, [ex-policemnan]
    Colin Dorrance brought Lynne Hartunian’s brother to the farm to see where his sister had been found.
    Meeting Colin and Rick Hartunian appears to have unlocked something in Mr Stewart.

    hmmmm



    Lynne Carol Hartunian, born March 13, 1967, was from Niskayuna, New York. Majoring in communications studies, Lynne was a senior at the State University of New York at Oswego. She was studying in her college’s London exchange program for a semester. She was traveling home for Christmas and to be a godmother to her new nephew. Lynne left behind her parents Joe and Joanne, a brother Rick, a sister Patricia O’Keefe, six nephews and one niece.

    During her semester in London she managed to tour a great part of Europe. In Rome, she shook hands with the Pope and in France she toured the Palace of Versailles. She spent her time traveling Europe picking out the perfect gifts for family and friends. Among items recovered from her luggage that fell on Lockerbie was an intact bottle of French wine for her parents. She graduated from Oswego cum laude posthumously and a scholarship is awarded each year in her name from her high school.
    https://panam103.syr.edu/victims/pa103_v_hartunian_lynne.php
    https://panam103.syr.edu/victims/

    a bottle of wine. touching.

    Any more farmers’ memories suddenly coming back to them? Suuuure
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lockerbie-victims-grandkids-friendship-farmers-13672516

    the mystery of passenger Frank Ciulla

    astonished farmers Margaret and Hugh Connell had discovered him six miles from the town in one of their fields – still strapped to his seat, 11B, and almost unmarked.

    suuuuure!!!

    The couple then kept watch over him for 24 hours and even asked rescue teams if they could take him into their home, away from the biting cold.
    And ever since, they have tenderly called him ‘Our Boy’.

    So [son] Laurie, [“widow”]Mary Lou, now 75, sister Michelle Lipkin, 47, and brother Frank, 51, made their first pilgrimage to meet the Connells in 1992.

    And now, 26 years on, they have brought Frank’s grandchildren to a place that means so much to the family, laying roses at the spot where he was found and listening to Margaret and Hugh’s memories.
    Laurie, of New Jersey, said: “It was very emotional. Dad was cremated so we don’t have a grave or marker to visit.

    So he’s found “intact, with sleeves rolled up and shoes off…and then he somehow gets cremated, somewhere and there’s no memorial. Suuuuuuure!

    Lockerbie is one of the biggest mass death hoaxes in the years leading up to 9/11.

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