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    Another Team DCP staged plane crash, an early one this time, prescriptive programming for the Manchester United Munich plane crash:

    Superga air disaster

    The Superga air disaster occurred on 4 May 1949, when a Fiat G.212 of Avio Linee Italiane (Italian Airlines), carrying the entire Torino football team (popularly known as the Grande Torino) crashed into the retaining wall at the back of the Basilica of Superga, which stands on the hill of Turin. 31 people died; there were no survivors.

    Looks legit

    So we have half a plane wreck against a wall it allegedly slammed into. But why don’t we see any evidence of that crash on the wall itself? This just looks like a prop placed there…
    And 9/11 planes theory believers, why didn’t the plane morph into the wall, Wile E. Coyote-style?

    The Avio Linee Italiane Fiat G.212CP was carrying the team home from Lisbon, where they had played a friendly match with S.L. Benfica in honour of the Portuguese captain, Francisco Ferreira. In the incident, the whole Torino team (almost all of the Italy national football team) lost their lives. Club officials and carriers also perished in the accident, as well as the crew and three well-known Italian sports journalists: Renato Casalbore (founder of Tuttosport); Renato Tosatti (the Gazzetta del Popolo, father of Giorgio Tosatti), and Luigi Cavallero (La Stampa).

    Looks like Chapecoense LaMia Flight 2933…

    Stage prop landing gear

    Strategically placed stage prop landing gear with the tire still magically inflated!


    1 – no damage on the wall again
    2 – notice the ladder behind the plane
    3 – and the inflated tire of the back landing gear

    The heavily damaged wall of the Basilica has been kept “intact” to commemorate the vicsims of this howwible plane crash:

    Heavily damaged wall still proof of horrible plane crash

    The task of identifying the bodies was entrusted to the former manager of the Italy national team, Vittorio Pozzo, who had called up most of Torino’s players to the Azzurri.

    Ah yes, because why ask a forensic team to do that, let’s just call the former manager…

    But our Victor had an easy job, because despite a horrible crash at high speed into a wall, the “bodies” were not broken up in pieces, as bones tend to do when they receive strong impacts, but were neatly placed next to the wreck:

    Bodies bodies bodies

    Bigger bodies

    Notice the wall. In the previous photo with the inflated back wheel, we saw that to the right of the impacted wall, it’s open space with another wall behind a path. On this photo we see the other side of the wall is completely open.

    So where were the photos taken with the inflated front landing wheel, in a confined space with walls to both sides?

    As you can see here:

    Walls walls walls

    The three-engined Fiat G.212, with aircraft registration I-ELCE, of Avio Linee Italiane, took off from Lisbon at 09:40 on Wednesday, 4 May 1949. The commander of the aircraft was Lieutenant Colonel Meroni. The flight landed at the airport in Barcelona at 13:00. While the aircraft was refuelled during the stopover, Torino met for lunch with Milan, who were directed to Madrid.

    What a coincidence. The Last Lunch, someone should make a painting of that!

    At 14:50, I-ELCE set off for the Turin-Aeritalia Airport. The weather in Turin was poor; at 16:55, the airport of Aeritalia communicated the weather situation to the pilot – clouds almost touching the ground, showers, strong southwest wind gusts, and very poor horizontal visibility (40 m).

    Convenient weather to prepare some props. And at one photo we see people with umbrellas. In the others not anymore.

    On approach, the plane lined up with the runway Aeritalia about 9 miles away, at 305 m above sea level, with Pino at 290° off its bow. Just north of Pino Torinese was the Basilica of Superga, situated on a hill at 669 m above sea level. One theory for the deviation is that due to the strong left crosswinds, the plane could have suffered a drift to starboard, which shifted from the axis of descent and lined up with the hill of Superga. Recent investigations also suggested the possibility that the altimeter had malfunctioned and locked at 2000 m, which led the pilots to believe that they were at a higher altitude.

    Of course! Or should I say off course?

    At 17:03, the plane made a turn to the left, put in horizontal flight, and aligned to prepare for landing, when it crashed into the back of the embankment of the Basilica of Superga. The pilot, who likely believed that the Superga hill was off to his right, would have seen it suddenly emerge directly in front of him (speed 180 km/h, visibility 40 m) and been unable to react. The wreckage did not give any indication of an attempt to go around. The only part of the aircraft which remained partially intact was the empennage.

    So if a plane impacts straight into a wall with 180 km/h, how come we have such perfect dumm… I mean bodies?

    The current remains of the aircraft include a propeller, a tire, scattered pieces of the fuselage, and the personal bags of Mazzola, Maroso, and Erbstein, which are preserved in a museum in Grugliasco near Turin. The Museo del Grande Torino e della Leggenda Granata, hosted in the prestigious Villa Claretta Assandri of Grugliasco, was opened 4 May 2008, the anniversary of the tragedy. 8 of the 18 players (as well as 2 coaches and 1 journalist Renato Casalbore) [makes 11] are buried at the Monumental Cemetery of Turin.

    And of course, a memorial, again no planes theory morph physics:


    And a nice piece of post-programming by a Benfica fan:

    Postprogramming on the head

    But there’s more. Because we have a miraculous case of Final Destination, linking another staged story into the sobbing narrative:

    Forced to leave fascist Italy, Ernö Erbstein and his family survived the Holocaust in extraordinary circumstances before he returned to take Serie A by storm with the Grande Torino. Ernö Egri Erbstein was a pioneering coach who created Il Grande Torino, the great side that won five successive Serie A titles. He was killed with the rest of his squad in the plane crash at Superga in 1949.

    Read more about unobtainium passports and videos at Fakeopedia. There also the confusion about the walls is explained.

    • This reply was modified 6 months, 2 weeks ago by gaia gaia.

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    just 5 bodies

    – there are just 5 “bodies” in the photo. The other 26 people on board just vaporized upon “impact”?
    – the photos with the umbrella men and the inflated big tire between walls are claimed to be from another football team crash in this video (in Spanish, at 00:46):

    Problem is that that plane “crashed” in the Oresund, the strait next to Copenhagen… So the tagging in the video is wrong.

    On this forum the photo is claimed to have been from the Torino crash, just like what the FIFA and Torino FC say.

    So the wall confusion stays upright.

    Huge damage, definite proof of a howwible plane crash

    Talking about walls, notice the huge damage, definite proof of a howwible plane crash…

    Plane wing

    Clear evidence of a plane crash, this wing part doesn’t look prepped and propped at all…

    Memorial Superga

    Memorial where this all “happened”. Notice the gaping hole in the wall, “left untouched out of respect for the vicsims”, according to Wickedpedia…

    Yearly pilgrimage

    Would any of these “1000s of yearly pilgrims” realize this whole “crash” was a hoax?

    Wheelchair pilgrim

    Even in wheelchairs visiting this pilgrimage site, hoping they can walk or play football again? Note the huge impact crater on the wall…

    "A truth seeker is someone who dares to wade through thick series of toxic smoke screens and tries not to inhale" - Gaia (2017)

    "What do you call 'genius'?" "Well, seeing things others don't see. Or rather the invisible links between things." - Vladimir Nabokov (1938)


    Just today, fresh from the press:

    A Russian plane has crashed after taking off from Moscow, according to Russian media.

    The Saratov Airlines An-148 jet, was en route to the city of Orsk when it vanished from radar.

    Russian news agencies reported 65 passengers and 6 crew were on board, and that the plane crashed in the Ramensky district outside Moscow.

    An emergency services source told Russian news agency Interfax that all 71 passengers were feared dead.
    Interfax also reported that the crash may have been caused by a collision with a helicopter.

    “The plane crashed near the village of Argunovo. Passengers as well as the crew could hardly survive,” they said.

    Eyewitnesses in Argunovo said they saw a burning plane falling from the sky.
    Rescue workers were unable to reach the crash site by road and had to approach on foot.

    Video footage obtained by Russian media showed plane debris scattered across a snow-covered field.

    Video here

    – If a burning plane falls from the sky and crashes, would you expect clean neatly placed wreckage, or an impact site with clear evidence of burned pieces?

    Not in Russia:


    Note the name of the picture: “”

    The Saratov Airlines jet vanished minutes after take-off and crashed near the village of Argunovo, about 80km (50 miles) south-east of Moscow.

    All those on board are thought to have died, officials told Russian media.

    The An-148 was en route to the city of Orsk in the Urals, near Russia’s border with Kazakhstan. It crashed early in the afternoon local time.

    Pictures from the crash site appear to show pieces of wreckage in a snow-covered field.

    Flight-tracking site Flightradar24 tweets that the aircraft was descending at 1,000m (3,300ft) per minute (60km/h, 38mph) 5 minutes after taking off.

    10 miles/minute?? Seriously? That is 600 miles per hour (or 1000 km/h)!, in the lower altitude region. This plane, with a planned flight duration of 2:11 had to travel 1448 km = 11 km/minute. Yet when it is just taking off, it already travels at 16 km/min. Does the plane take a break somewhere in the air, or do we have another magical 9/11 plane that can fly close to Mach 1 at near-surface conditions?

    Ah, I see the difference; 80 km SE of Moscow, not 80 km from the airport, that is already in the SE of Moscow.

    Flight plan

    It comes from the always reliable BBC, so don’t you dare to question it.

    Remains of a second aircraft, identified as a helicopter, were found near the crash site of the An-148. According to initial (unconfirmed) reports, the plane collided with a Russian Post helicopter. A spokesman from Russian Post denied that the company was involved in the catastrophe, stating: “We don’t have any helicopters. I don’t know where people are getting this information from.”


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    "A truth seeker is someone who dares to wade through thick series of toxic smoke screens and tries not to inhale" - Gaia (2017)

    "What do you call 'genius'?" "Well, seeing things others don't see. Or rather the invisible links between things." - Vladimir Nabokov (1938)



    We must assume it’s fake until we see any evidence that it’s real. I’m not holding myh breath. Flightradar24 is the reliable promulgator of all these aviation hoaxes. It must be easy to simulate any flight. The great circle route…lol! More like the great dog leg.



    While we await the empty casket funerals from the fake Sydney seaplane crash, the Coroner in the Royal County of Berkshire has kicked the inquest into touch, I guess he knows it’s fake and he is washing his hands of it through procedural means….
    Peter Bedford, senior coroner for Berkshire, suspended his involvement at a preliminary hearing on February 12 at Reading Town Hall.
    “I propose to suspend my investigation under the Criminal Justice Act 2009. This allows me the power to suspend my investigation if another investigation into the deaths is being conducted.

    “The New South Wales coroner is leading an ongoing investigation and she has access to the investigation by local authorities and that will involve an air crash investigator by a team of specialists.

    “It will then fall to my office to consider whether or not a full inquest should take place here in Berkshire, using the outcome of the investigation from Australia.”
    That’s 12 months down the line at least.

    The bodies were identified using personal documents such as passports to confirm the deceased’s identities when they first arrived back in the Berkshire coroner’s jurisdiction.
    The inquest was opened in Berkshire because the bodies were repatriated to Reading, where Richard Cousins’ brother lives.


    British family killed in New Year’s Eve Sydney seaplane crash drowned, inquest hears

    [Mr Bedford] said: “The New South Wales Coroner is currently leading an investigation into the deaths of those concerned involving many local authorities.
    “This will be based on air traffic investigations led by the Australian Transport Safety Bureau and other specially trained people.

    “These people have specific expertise as well as, importantly, having access to the scene.

    LOL! Specially trained hoaxers.

    No fake funeral without faking the import of bodies from overseas. No need for facial recognition, since there were no faces or bodies present.

    Get your sunglasses ready for the funerals, whenever they will take place.



    BBC: Algeria military plane crash: 257 dead near Algiers

    Al Jazeera: At least 257 dead after Russian-made military plane crashes near Boufarik airbase near Algiers, state TV reports.

    This event seems to be worth an investigation as the video and photomaterial arises suspicions.

    – The scene of the crash is bogus, too many people standing close to a burning plane which implausible.
    – Ambulance and other emergency cars are parked next to the crash scene show no sign of being used as would be suposed.

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    Today, on the 25th anniversary of the Zambia soccer team plane crash we have 60 plane crash psyops on Fakeopedia, with 35 of them conforming to the Jet rule and 24 (so far, more will be added) also to the “Kreindler and Kreindler rule”.

    AAMorris, you might be interested in the crazy Birgenair one from 1996, one of its destinations was (the proper) Gander in Canada…

    Allegedly the plane crashed because there was a wasp nest located inside the plane… (No) kidding… With Kreindler & Kreindler involved and such a ridiculous story (also check out the Air India story on the Jet rule page), we can safely assume this whole thing was staged as in a CEPPAR

    "A truth seeker is someone who dares to wade through thick series of toxic smoke screens and tries not to inhale" - Gaia (2017)

    "What do you call 'genius'?" "Well, seeing things others don't see. Or rather the invisible links between things." - Vladimir Nabokov (1938)



    Great work, Gaia, though you’re making me laugh too much! A whole sports team “wiped out” in a “crash” is always a good sign of a hoax, but a Zambian job would probably not be terribly lucrative for the Kreindlers.



    I thank JonesSenoj for alerting me to this passed-over drill at London Heathrow masquerading as an emergency landing/near disaster as recently as 2008. He has been investigating the jet fuel hoax and suspicious quoted fuel capacities of airliners.
    At 6:20

    the “crash” landing [after flying allegedly all the way from China….] was ascribed to “trace amounts of water in the fuel”
    Pleasingly, Jones calls “bollox” on that “it’s fake, nobody died”.

    Official story
    47 injuries, 1 serious [broken leg] [suuuure]
    The plane passed above traffic on the A30 and the airport’s Southern Perimeter road and landed on the grass approximately 270 metres (890 ft) short of runway 27L. The captain declared an emergency to the control tower a few seconds before landing.
    During the impact and short ground roll, the nose gear collapsed, the right main gear separated from the aircraft, penetrating the central fuel tank and cabin space, and the left main gear was pushed up through the wing. The aircraft came to rest on the threshold markings at the start of the runway. A significant amount of fuel leaked, but there was no fire.

    136 pax 16 crew, total 152.

    All the usual hoaxy clues – everyone was wonderful, multi agency operation, the big crane….” a very, very delicate operation” [specially for the media]

    Where did the plane end up? Somewhere nice and quiet [as per the SF Asiana 214 “fire”]

    The BBC produces the drill script from the local Hillingdon Hospital [who must be always drilling for Heathrow disasters….lots of ‘whiplash’ here] and the usual “witnesses”, and the bonus of chaos at the Airport with hundreds of flights cancelled for the helpless, trapped laboratory rats.
    eg Paul Venter, who was on board the plane [no lucky escape story penned]

    Some videos from this very abrupt deceleration – note the staged furrows in the short section of field upto the perimeter fence

    The drill voice transcripts for the simulated crash

    The chatty “survivor” in this Smithsonian video “Terror in the Skies” [i.e. be very frightened] is Sculptor Paul Stafford originally from Oldham UK who had allegedly been interviewing postgraduate students in Beijing [“all very ordinary”]

    More “survivor” narrative there at 2.37, 3.39 from Paul

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    Here’s the 250m abrupt stop touchdown area
    Naturally, we have hoax management in 2011, three years on…

    A sculptor who was a passenger on a plane that crash landed at Heathrow three years ago is staging an exhibition inspired by his ordeal.

    Paul Stafford, head of foundation art and design at Kingston University, was diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder after the crash. Since then he has suffered repeated nightmares which have become the subject of much of his artwork which often features birds and planes, and cages.…stuffed birds which Mr Stafford says he has repeatedly dreamed of since the crash.
    It also includes two large paintings he did in Richmond Park before the trauma, of planes coming in to land at Heathrow.
    Mr Stafford, who has two children with his wife Judith, 54, also a lecturer, has invited Captain Burkill, the crashed plane’s pilot, to the exhibition

    “witness” Paul Venter has vanished from the radar.
    Another witness, quoted frequently quoted from a single source, the BBC
    Jerome Ensinck, said he thought the flight had simply suffered a particularly hard landing.

    Suuuuuure. 250m pull up in a field. Right.

    In fact this pair of alleged passengers from China said as much…

    Chloe Richards, 24, and Ian Newborn, 27, both from Coventry, were travelling together….Ms Richards said some people “jumped straight out of their seats and ran to the exits” when the plane came to a “sharp stop” after landing on Thursday….

    In fact their story is so unbelievable that it is worth posting in full…
    Speaking shortly after the incident, Ms Richards said the landing felt different to normal because the plane came to a “very sudden stop” instead of coming in quite slowly.
    She said “everybody jolted forwards” and some people ran to the exits and were told to sit down by air crew.

    However, she added that she and Mr Newborn were unaware there had been an accident.

    “The plane came down quite quickly and it was quite bumpy but we didn’t realise it had crashed until the oxygen masks came down,” she said.

    She said there had been “no announcement” and they did not realise the plane had landed on grass, near a busy perimeter road.

    “It felt like it had gone slightly side wards but it didn’t particularly feel like a crash,” she said.

    “We thought it had just been a bumpy landing until the oxygen masks and parts of panelling came down off the plane.”

    Mr Newborn added that he was concerned about leaving some belongings, including personal details, on the plane.
    “I’m a little bit worried that my life is still on that plane,” he said. “Hopefully I’ll get it back in the next couple of days.”
    Ms Richards added: “I’m just keen to get home. I feel a bit cold.

    The engine wrecked for the drill

    Hilarious! How could I have fallen for this nonsense?

    10 year hoax management Jan 2018, a Reddit release by Ian Newborn, a nice little one-two with an alleged traffic controller that day

    Almost 10 years ago I walked away from a plane crash AMA from IAmA

    The original BBC interview at Liveleak doesn’t seem to work now

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    The drill reward

    I got;
    A 2 week holiday anywhere in the world for myself and 3 friends with business class flights.
    5 years of gold level membership in the executive club.

    [What was he [they?] doing in China to start with?]

    [–]Saurbaum 1880 points 4 months ago
    Trans-Siberian railway from England to China.

    [–]covfefeobamanation 386 points 4 months ago
    How was it? Would you recommend it? [The Trans-Siberian]


    [–]Saurbaum 4569 points 4 months ago
    10/10 would crash again.
    . The compensation holidays were to Antigua and then India.

    [–]nagumi 8 points 4 months ago
    But you said you only got one compensation holiday with 3 friends?


    [–]Saurbaum 63 points 4 months ago
    Yes but one of those 3 friends was sitting next to me on the flight and she got the same deal.

    We walked across the grass to a guy who was gathering up passengers without getting close himself. From there we were bussed to the terminal and had to chat with the police as they were immediately investigating it.

    While I was chatting with them (“Are you okay?”, “Yup”, “Seriously?!”) the border force were determining if we had the right to enter the country. I was lucky as I had my passport in my pocket. Those who didn’t (like my friend) were asked questions to determine if they were actually resident in the UK or had permission to enter.
    After that we were moved to the 1st class lounge to be held there till we were ready to go. Didn’t stay long as they had cleared the alcohol away and turned all the TVs off.
    After my friend and I met back up we got out and met up with her parents who had come to collect us and while walking back to their car a journalist for the BBC pounced on us in the car park for an interview.

    [the drill debrief]

    [–]Saurbaum 1201 points 4 months ago
    Well it gave me plenty to talk about on the date I had arranged for 2 days later. Certainly impressed her enough that she stuck around long enough for me to marry her.

    There’s more but if the above is true, it shows the rewards on offer for non-disclosure participation in a disaster drill.

    For reference – the Airline industry insider gatekeeping forum pprune discussing the “crash” as it happened in January 2008

    compare with this fascinating and realistic 1997 undercarriage failure and crash landing at Heathrow

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    Well fancy this!
    Jerome Ensinck, alleged passenger in the above psy-op, is actually Dr Jeroen Ensink who….. was allegedly stabbed to death by a maniac in North London in late 2015, the subject of TWO GoFundMe type pages….
    A funny smell already came off that report without the Heathrow connection
    Before Jeroen met Nadja he was in a plane coming back from Beijing that had to make a crash landing at Heathrow in 2008.
    memorial fund £90K

    Justice for..[Bindmans lawyers the beneficiary, one imagines
    the legal fees are expected to be in the region of £25,000 and could be more depending on the scope of the Inquest.

    It’s strange but of all the 140 odd people on board, only a handful of passengers told their tale..

    with wife Nadja Ensink-Teich who returned to the Netherlands shortly after the alleged killing.
    Fleur was 11 days old when Jeroen, aged 41, left their house in Tufnell Park at 1.45pm to post cards announcing her birth to friends.

    “Jeroen was the proudest father and wanted to make sure that the cards we had designed together would be sent off before the New Year. He wanted to share our happiness with the world.” As he walked to the post box, Jeroen was attacked with a knife by a stranger. He died at 1.50pm. [December 29 2015]

    It’s like the worst movie. You want to switch channels but you can’t. Your life collapses

    A memorial fund, perhaps? You bet!
    At the request of Jeroen’s family and colleagues, we have established the Jeroen Ensink Memorial Fund to support MSc Scholarships for students from sub-Saharan Africa and South Asia to become future leaders in public health
    The inquest is only due to start in July 2018

    Femi Nandap, 23, of Woolwich, south-east London, was in a cannabis-induced psychotic rage when he stabbed Dr Ensink repeatedly in the chest and back until an off-duty special constable intervened.


    An amazing coincidence though.
    Here’s Jeroen back in 2008 after his “near death” plane landing drill
    Passenger Jerome Ensink said that he did not realise the seriousness of what had happened until he was off the plane.
    He said: “I wasn’t scared and there was no indication that we were going to have a bad landing but when we hit the ground it was extremely rough.
    “I have flown a lot and it was probably the roughest landing I have ever had.
    “When we landed the lighting had come down and people were in shock. Then the emergency exits were opened and we got down as quickly as possible.”
    His only thought while on the plane was that it had been a bumpy landing.
    “It was only as I walked away I saw we had missed the runway by about 100 metres and that parts had come off,”
    he added.
    “When you look at the plane you realise you have a close call. It wasn’t that dramatic. Evacuation went extremely smoothly, it was handled every professionally.
    “I feel lucky at the moment. I’m okay. We’ve had a close call and I’m okay.”

    The original Guardian report from that rather quiet time for news, between Christmas and New Year, a psy-op peak period.
    Ensink, 41, was found suffering from stab wounds following an incident in Hilldrop Crescent, Islington, north London, on 28 December. He was pronounced dead at the scene shortly after 1.50pm.

    Colleagues have paid tribute to the “popular” public health lecturer, saying he would be “greatly missed”.

    Prof Peter Piot,** director of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, said: “We are deeply shocked and saddened by the death of Jeroen Ensink.
    The widow….

    ** Belgian co-discoverer of the Ebola Virus, that hoax was well covered at Cluesforum in the Ebola Baloney thread.

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