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February 1, 2018 at 8:01 am #852065
Another Team DCP staged plane crash, an early one this time, prescriptive programming for the Manchester United Munich plane crash:
The Superga air disaster occurred on 4 May 1949, when a Fiat G.212 of Avio Linee Italiane (Italian Airlines), carrying the entire Torino football team (popularly known as the Grande Torino) crashed into the retaining wall at the back of the Basilica of Superga, which stands on the hill of Turin. 31 people died; there were no survivors.
So we have half a plane wreck against a wall it allegedly slammed into. But why don’t we see any evidence of that crash on the wall itself? This just looks like a prop placed there…
And 9/11 planes theory believers, why didn’t the plane morph into the wall, Wile E. Coyote-style?
The Avio Linee Italiane Fiat G.212CP was carrying the team home from Lisbon, where they had played a friendly match with S.L. Benfica in honour of the Portuguese captain, Francisco Ferreira. In the incident, the whole Torino team (almost all of the Italy national football team) lost their lives. Club officials and carriers also perished in the accident, as well as the crew and three well-known Italian sports journalists: Renato Casalbore (founder of Tuttosport); Renato Tosatti (the Gazzetta del Popolo, father of Giorgio Tosatti), and Luigi Cavallero (La Stampa).
Looks like Chapecoense LaMia Flight 2933…
Strategically placed stage prop landing gear with the tire still magically inflated!
1 – no damage on the wall again
2 – notice the ladder behind the plane
3 – and the inflated tire of the back landing gear
The heavily damaged wall of the Basilica has been kept “intact” to commemorate the vicsims of this howwible plane crash:
The task of identifying the bodies was entrusted to the former manager of the Italy national team, Vittorio Pozzo, who had called up most of Torino’s players to the Azzurri.
Ah yes, because why ask a forensic team to do that, let’s just call the former manager…
But our Victor had an easy job, because despite a horrible crash at high speed into a wall, the “bodies” were not broken up in pieces, as bones tend to do when they receive strong impacts, but were neatly placed next to the wreck:
Notice the wall. In the previous photo with the inflated back wheel, we saw that to the right of the impacted wall, it’s open space with another wall behind a path. On this photo we see the other side of the wall is completely open.
So where were the photos taken with the inflated front landing wheel, in a confined space with walls to both sides?
As you can see here:
The three-engined Fiat G.212, with aircraft registration I-ELCE, of Avio Linee Italiane, took off from Lisbon at 09:40 on Wednesday, 4 May 1949. The commander of the aircraft was Lieutenant Colonel Meroni. The flight landed at the airport in Barcelona at 13:00. While the aircraft was refuelled during the stopover, Torino met for lunch with Milan, who were directed to Madrid.
What a coincidence. The Last Lunch, someone should make a painting of that!
At 14:50, I-ELCE set off for the Turin-Aeritalia Airport. The weather in Turin was poor; at 16:55, the airport of Aeritalia communicated the weather situation to the pilot – clouds almost touching the ground, showers, strong southwest wind gusts, and very poor horizontal visibility (40 m).
Convenient weather to prepare some props. And at one photo we see people with umbrellas. In the others not anymore.
On approach, the plane lined up with the runway Aeritalia about 9 miles away, at 305 m above sea level, with Pino at 290° off its bow. Just north of Pino Torinese was the Basilica of Superga, situated on a hill at 669 m above sea level. One theory for the deviation is that due to the strong left crosswinds, the plane could have suffered a drift to starboard, which shifted from the axis of descent and lined up with the hill of Superga. Recent investigations also suggested the possibility that the altimeter had malfunctioned and locked at 2000 m, which led the pilots to believe that they were at a higher altitude.
Of course! Or should I say off course?
At 17:03, the plane made a turn to the left, put in horizontal flight, and aligned to prepare for landing, when it crashed into the back of the embankment of the Basilica of Superga. The pilot, who likely believed that the Superga hill was off to his right, would have seen it suddenly emerge directly in front of him (speed 180 km/h, visibility 40 m) and been unable to react. The wreckage did not give any indication of an attempt to go around. The only part of the aircraft which remained partially intact was the empennage.
So if a plane impacts straight into a wall with 180 km/h, how come we have such perfect dumm… I mean bodies?
The current remains of the aircraft include a propeller, a tire, scattered pieces of the fuselage, and the personal bags of Mazzola, Maroso, and Erbstein, which are preserved in a museum in Grugliasco near Turin. The Museo del Grande Torino e della Leggenda Granata, hosted in the prestigious Villa Claretta Assandri of Grugliasco, was opened 4 May 2008, the anniversary of the tragedy. 8 of the 18 players (as well as 2 coaches and 1 journalist Renato Casalbore) [makes 11] are buried at the Monumental Cemetery of Turin.
And of course, a memorial, again no planes theory morph physics:
And a nice piece of post-programming by a Benfica fan:
Forced to leave fascist Italy, Ernö Erbstein and his family survived the Holocaust in extraordinary circumstances before he returned to take Serie A by storm with the Grande Torino. Ernö Egri Erbstein was a pioneering coach who created Il Grande Torino, the great side that won five successive Serie A titles. He was killed with the rest of his squad in the plane crash at Superga in 1949.
Read more about unobtainium passports and videos at Fakeopedia. There also the confusion about the walls is explained.
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"A truth seeker is someone who dares to wade through thick series of toxic smoke screens and tries not to inhale" - Gaia (2017)
"What do you call 'genius'?" "Well, seeing things others don't see. Or rather the invisible links between things." - Vladimir Nabokov (1938)February 1, 2018 at 11:32 am #852070
– there are just 5 “bodies” in the photo. The other 26 people on board just vaporized upon “impact”?
– the photos with the umbrella men and the inflated big tire between walls are claimed to be from another football team crash in this video (in Spanish, at 00:46):
Problem is that that plane “crashed” in the Oresund, the strait next to Copenhagen… So the tagging in the video is wrong.
So the wall confusion stays upright.
Talking about walls, notice the huge damage, definite proof of a howwible plane crash…
Clear evidence of a plane crash, this wing part doesn’t look prepped and propped at all…
Memorial where this all “happened”. Notice the gaping hole in the wall, “left untouched out of respect for the vicsims”, according to Wickedpedia…
Would any of these “1000s of yearly pilgrims” realize this whole “crash” was a hoax?
Even in wheelchairs visiting this pilgrimage site, hoping they can walk or play football again? Note the huge impact crater on the wall…
"A truth seeker is someone who dares to wade through thick series of toxic smoke screens and tries not to inhale" - Gaia (2017)
"What do you call 'genius'?" "Well, seeing things others don't see. Or rather the invisible links between things." - Vladimir Nabokov (1938)February 11, 2018 at 9:23 am #852177
Just today, fresh from the press:
A Russian plane has crashed after taking off from Moscow, according to Russian media.
The Saratov Airlines An-148 jet, was en route to the city of Orsk when it vanished from radar.
Russian news agencies reported 65 passengers and 6 crew were on board, and that the plane crashed in the Ramensky district outside Moscow.
An emergency services source told Russian news agency Interfax that all 71 passengers were feared dead.
Interfax also reported that the crash may have been caused by a collision with a helicopter.
“The plane crashed near the village of Argunovo. Passengers as well as the crew could hardly survive,” they said.
Eyewitnesses in Argunovo said they saw a burning plane falling from the sky.
Rescue workers were unable to reach the crash site by road and had to approach on foot.
Video footage obtained by Russian media showed plane debris scattered across a snow-covered field.
– If a burning plane falls from the sky and crashes, would you expect clean neatly placed wreckage, or an impact site with clear evidence of burned pieces?
Not in Russia:
Note the name of the picture: “ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/FFC5/production/_99977456_mediaitem99977454.jpg”
The Saratov Airlines jet vanished minutes after take-off and crashed near the village of Argunovo, about 80km (50 miles) south-east of Moscow.
All those on board are thought to have died, officials told Russian media.
The An-148 was en route to the city of Orsk in the Urals, near Russia’s border with Kazakhstan. It crashed early in the afternoon local time.
Pictures from the crash site appear to show pieces of wreckage in a snow-covered field.
Flight-tracking site Flightradar24 tweets that the aircraft was descending at 1,000m (3,300ft) per minute (60km/h, 38mph) 5 minutes after taking off.
10 miles/minute?? Seriously? That is 600 miles per hour (or 1000 km/h)!, in the lower altitude region. This plane, with a planned flight duration of 2:11 had to travel 1448 km = 11 km/minute. Yet when it is just taking off, it already travels at 16 km/min. Does the plane take a break somewhere in the air, or do we have another magical 9/11 plane that can fly close to Mach 1 at near-surface conditions?
Ah, I see the difference; 80 km SE of Moscow, not 80 km from the airport, that is already in the SE of Moscow.
It comes from the always reliable BBC, so don’t you dare to question it.
Remains of a second aircraft, identified as a helicopter, were found near the crash site of the An-148. According to initial (unconfirmed) reports, the plane collided with a Russian Post helicopter. A spokesman from Russian Post denied that the company was involved in the catastrophe, stating: “We don’t have any helicopters. I don’t know where people are getting this information from.”
"A truth seeker is someone who dares to wade through thick series of toxic smoke screens and tries not to inhale" - Gaia (2017)
"What do you call 'genius'?" "Well, seeing things others don't see. Or rather the invisible links between things." - Vladimir Nabokov (1938)February 11, 2018 at 1:19 pm #852180
We must assume it’s fake until we see any evidence that it’s real. I’m not holding myh breath. Flightradar24 is the reliable promulgator of all these aviation hoaxes. It must be easy to simulate any flight. The great circle route…lol! More like the great dog leg.
— Flightradar24 (@flightradar24) February 11, 2018February 13, 2018 at 4:47 pm #852202
While we await the empty casket funerals from the fake Sydney seaplane crash, the Coroner in the Royal County of Berkshire has kicked the inquest into touch, I guess he knows it’s fake and he is washing his hands of it through procedural means….
Peter Bedford, senior coroner for Berkshire, suspended his involvement at a preliminary hearing on February 12 at Reading Town Hall.
“I propose to suspend my investigation under the Criminal Justice Act 2009. This allows me the power to suspend my investigation if another investigation into the deaths is being conducted.
“The New South Wales coroner is leading an ongoing investigation and she has access to the investigation by local authorities and that will involve an air crash investigator by a team of specialists.
“It will then fall to my office to consider whether or not a full inquest should take place here in Berkshire, using the outcome of the investigation from Australia.”
That’s 12 months down the line at least.
The bodies were identified using personal documents such as passports to confirm the deceased’s identities when they first arrived back in the Berkshire coroner’s jurisdiction.
The inquest was opened in Berkshire because the bodies were repatriated to Reading, where Richard Cousins’ brother lives.
[Mr Bedford] said: “The New South Wales Coroner is currently leading an investigation into the deaths of those concerned involving many local authorities.
“This will be based on air traffic investigations led by the Australian Transport Safety Bureau and other specially trained people.
“These people have specific expertise as well as, importantly, having access to the scene.
LOL! Specially trained hoaxers.
No fake funeral without faking the import of bodies from overseas. No need for facial recognition, since there were no faces or bodies present.
Get your sunglasses ready for the funerals, whenever they will take place.April 11, 2018 at 12:29 pm #853432misomParticipant
BBC: Algeria military plane crash: 257 dead near Algiers
Al Jazeera: At least 257 dead after Russian-made military plane crashes near Boufarik airbase near Algiers, state TV reports.
This event seems to be worth an investigation as the video and photomaterial arises suspicions.
– The scene of the crash is bogus, too many people standing close to a burning plane which implausible.
– Ambulance and other emergency cars are parked next to the crash scene show no sign of being used as would be suposed.
Attachments:You must be logged in to view attached files.April 27, 2018 at 2:49 pm #853934
Today, on the 25th anniversary of the Zambia soccer team plane crash we have 60 plane crash psyops on Fakeopedia, with 35 of them conforming to the Jet rule and 24 (so far, more will be added) also to the “Kreindler and Kreindler rule”.
AAMorris, you might be interested in the crazy Birgenair one from 1996, one of its destinations was (the proper) Gander in Canada…
Allegedly the plane crashed because there was a wasp nest located inside the plane… (No) kidding… With Kreindler & Kreindler involved and such a ridiculous story (also check out the Air India story on the Jet rule page), we can safely assume this whole thing was staged as in a CEPPAR…April 27, 2018 at 3:23 pm #853935
Great work, Gaia, though you’re making me laugh too much! A whole sports team “wiped out” in a “crash” is always a good sign of a hoax, but a Zambian job would probably not be terribly lucrative for the Kreindlers.May 2, 2018 at 5:50 am #853999
I thank JonesSenoj for alerting me to this passed-over drill at London Heathrow masquerading as an emergency landing/near disaster as recently as 2008. He has been investigating the jet fuel hoax and suspicious quoted fuel capacities of airliners.
the “crash” landing [after flying allegedly all the way from China….] was ascribed to “trace amounts of water in the fuel”
Pleasingly, Jones calls “bollox” on that “it’s fake, nobody died”.
47 injuries, 1 serious [broken leg] [suuuure]
The plane passed above traffic on the A30 and the airport’s Southern Perimeter road and landed on the grass approximately 270 metres (890 ft) short of runway 27L. The captain declared an emergency to the control tower a few seconds before landing.
During the impact and short ground roll, the nose gear collapsed, the right main gear separated from the aircraft, penetrating the central fuel tank and cabin space, and the left main gear was pushed up through the wing. The aircraft came to rest on the threshold markings at the start of the runway. A significant amount of fuel leaked, but there was no fire.
136 pax 16 crew, total 152.
All the usual hoaxy clues – everyone was wonderful, multi agency operation, the big crane….” a very, very delicate operation” [specially for the media]
Where did the plane end up? Somewhere nice and quiet [as per the SF Asiana 214 “fire”]
The BBC produces the drill script from the local Hillingdon Hospital [who must be always drilling for Heathrow disasters….lots of ‘whiplash’ here] and the usual “witnesses”, and the bonus of chaos at the Airport with hundreds of flights cancelled for the helpless, trapped laboratory rats.
eg Paul Venter, who was on board the plane [no lucky escape story penned]
Some videos from this very abrupt deceleration – note the staged furrows in the short section of field upto the perimeter fence
The drill voice transcripts for the simulated crash
The chatty “survivor” in this Smithsonian video “Terror in the Skies” [i.e. be very frightened] is Sculptor Paul Stafford originally from Oldham UK who had allegedly been interviewing postgraduate students in Beijing [“all very ordinary”]
More “survivor” narrative there at 2.37, 3.39 from Paul
May 2, 2018 at 6:20 am #854001
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Here’s the 250m abrupt stop touchdown area
Naturally, we have hoax management in 2011, three years on…
A sculptor who was a passenger on a plane that crash landed at Heathrow three years ago is staging an exhibition inspired by his ordeal.
Paul Stafford, head of foundation art and design at Kingston University, was diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder after the crash. Since then he has suffered repeated nightmares which have become the subject of much of his artwork which often features birds and planes, and cages.…stuffed birds which Mr Stafford says he has repeatedly dreamed of since the crash.
It also includes two large paintings he did in Richmond Park before the trauma, of planes coming in to land at Heathrow.
Mr Stafford, who has two children with his wife Judith, 54, also a lecturer, has invited Captain Burkill, the crashed plane’s pilot, to the exhibition
“witness” Paul Venter has vanished from the radar.
Another witness, quoted frequently quoted from a single source, the BBC
Jerome Ensinck, said he thought the flight had simply suffered a particularly hard landing.
Suuuuuure. 250m pull up in a field. Right.
In fact this pair of alleged passengers from China said as much…
Chloe Richards, 24, and Ian Newborn, 27, both from Coventry, were travelling together….Ms Richards said some people “jumped straight out of their seats and ran to the exits” when the plane came to a “sharp stop” after landing on Thursday….
In fact their story is so unbelievable that it is worth posting in full…
Speaking shortly after the incident, Ms Richards said the landing felt different to normal because the plane came to a “very sudden stop” instead of coming in quite slowly.
She said “everybody jolted forwards” and some people ran to the exits and were told to sit down by air crew.
However, she added that she and Mr Newborn were unaware there had been an accident.
“The plane came down quite quickly and it was quite bumpy but we didn’t realise it had crashed until the oxygen masks came down,” she said.
She said there had been “no announcement” and they did not realise the plane had landed on grass, near a busy perimeter road.
“It felt like it had gone slightly side wards but it didn’t particularly feel like a crash,” she said.
“We thought it had just been a bumpy landing until the oxygen masks and parts of panelling came down off the plane.”
Mr Newborn added that he was concerned about leaving some belongings, including personal details, on the plane.
“I’m a little bit worried that my life is still on that plane,” he said. “Hopefully I’ll get it back in the next couple of days.”
Ms Richards added: “I’m just keen to get home. I feel a bit cold.“
The engine wrecked for the drill
Hilarious! How could I have fallen for this nonsense?
10 year hoax management Jan 2018, a Reddit release by Ian Newborn, a nice little one-two with an alleged traffic controller that day
The original BBC interview at Liveleak doesn’t seem to work now
May 2, 2018 at 7:18 am #854007
The drill reward
A 2 week holiday anywhere in the world for myself and 3 friends with business class flights.
5 years of gold level membership in the executive club.
[What was he [they?] doing in China to start with?]
1880 points 4 months ago
Trans-Siberian railway from England to China.
[–]covfefeobamanation 386 points 4 months ago
How was it? Would you recommend it? [The Trans-Siberian]
4569 points 4 months ago
10/10 would crash again.
. The compensation holidays were to Antigua and then India.
[–]nagumi 8 points 4 months ago
But you said you only got one compensation holiday with 3 friends?
63 points 4 months ago
Yes but one of those 3 friends was sitting next to me on the flight and she got the same deal.
We walked across the grass to a guy who was gathering up passengers without getting close himself. From there we were bussed to the terminal and had to chat with the police as they were immediately investigating it.
While I was chatting with them (“Are you okay?”, “Yup”, “Seriously?!”) the border force were determining if we had the right to enter the country. I was lucky as I had my passport in my pocket. Those who didn’t (like my friend) were asked questions to determine if they were actually resident in the UK or had permission to enter.
After that we were moved to the 1st class lounge to be held there till we were ready to go. Didn’t stay long as they had cleared the alcohol away and turned all the TVs off.
After my friend and I met back up we got out and met up with her parents who had come to collect us and while walking back to their car a journalist for the BBC pounced on us in the car park for an interview.
[the drill debrief]
1201 points 4 months ago
Well it gave me plenty to talk about on the date I had arranged for 2 days later. Certainly impressed her enough that she stuck around long enough for me to marry her.
There’s more but if the above is true, it shows the rewards on offer for non-disclosure participation in a disaster drill.
For reference – the Airline industry insider gatekeeping forum pprune discussing the “crash” as it happened in January 2008
compare with this fascinating and realistic 1997 undercarriage failure and crash landing at Heathrow
May 2, 2018 at 11:31 am #854014
Well fancy this!
Jerome Ensinck, alleged passenger in the above psy-op, is actually Dr Jeroen Ensink who….. was allegedly stabbed to death by a maniac in North London in late 2015, the subject of TWO GoFundMe type pages….
A funny smell already came off that report without the Heathrow connection
Before Jeroen met Nadja he was in a plane coming back from Beijing that had to make a crash landing at Heathrow in 2008.
memorial fund £90K
Justice for..[Bindmans lawyers the beneficiary, one imagines
the legal fees are expected to be in the region of £25,000 and could be more depending on the scope of the Inquest.
It’s strange but of all the 140 odd people on board, only a handful of passengers told their tale..
with wife Nadja Ensink-Teich who returned to the Netherlands shortly after the alleged killing.
Fleur was 11 days old when Jeroen, aged 41, left their house in Tufnell Park at 1.45pm to post cards announcing her birth to friends.
“Jeroen was the proudest father and wanted to make sure that the cards we had designed together would be sent off before the New Year. He wanted to share our happiness with the world.” As he walked to the post box, Jeroen was attacked with a knife by a stranger. He died at 1.50pm. [December 29 2015]
It’s like the worst movie. You want to switch channels but you can’t. Your life collapses
A memorial fund, perhaps? You bet!
At the request of Jeroen’s family and colleagues, we have established the Jeroen Ensink Memorial Fund to support MSc Scholarships for students from sub-Saharan Africa and South Asia to become future leaders in public health
The inquest is only due to start in July 2018
Femi Nandap, 23, of Woolwich, south-east London, was in a cannabis-induced psychotic rage when he stabbed Dr Ensink repeatedly in the chest and back until an off-duty special constable intervened.
An amazing coincidence though.
Here’s Jeroen back in 2008 after his “near death” plane landing drill
Passenger Jerome Ensink said that he did not realise the seriousness of what had happened until he was off the plane.
He said: “I wasn’t scared and there was no indication that we were going to have a bad landing but when we hit the ground it was extremely rough.
“I have flown a lot and it was probably the roughest landing I have ever had.
“When we landed the lighting had come down and people were in shock. Then the emergency exits were opened and we got down as quickly as possible.”
His only thought while on the plane was that it had been a bumpy landing.
“It was only as I walked away I saw we had missed the runway by about 100 metres and that parts had come off,” he added.
“When you look at the plane you realise you have a close call. It wasn’t that dramatic. Evacuation went extremely smoothly, it was handled every professionally.
“I feel lucky at the moment. I’m okay. We’ve had a close call and I’m okay.”
The original Guardian report from that rather quiet time for news, between Christmas and New Year, a psy-op peak period.
Ensink, 41, was found suffering from stab wounds following an incident in Hilldrop Crescent, Islington, north London, on 28 December. He was pronounced dead at the scene shortly after 1.50pm.
Colleagues have paid tribute to the “popular” public health lecturer, saying he would be “greatly missed”.
Prof Peter Piot,** director of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, said: “We are deeply shocked and saddened by the death of Jeroen Ensink.
** Belgian co-discoverer of the Ebola Virus, that hoax was well covered at Cluesforum in the Ebola Baloney thread.August 22, 2018 at 1:32 pm #855401
Hoax management of the December 31 Seaplane “crash” in Sydney.
A victim of Sydney's New Year's Eve seaplane tragedy has left more than $70M to the charity @Oxfam. British businessman, Richard Cousins, died alongside his family when their plane crashed into the Hawkesbury River. #7News pic.twitter.com/XTy9lRQSqx
— 7 News Sydney (@7NewsSydney) August 22, 2018
The will of Richard John Cousins was proven on August 9 2018 in Cardiff, but for some reason, the details were released on August 21 all over the MSM, with the curious fact that he had changed his will just one year before the “accident” with a “common tragedy clause”, leaving £41 Million to OXFAM rather than in trust for his sons who, conveniently, “died” along with his lover and her child. Allegely this was the largest donation ever to OXFAM.
Oxfam told the BBC it had been left money by Mr Cousins, but not how much.
A spokesman for the charity said they were “extremely grateful” for the bequest.
More interestingly, this story was single sourced by the spooky Sun newspaper.
It was to be activated in the seemingly-unlikely event he and his sons were killed together *** and made Oxfam the main beneficiary.
Now all but £3million of his fortune will go to the charity. Brothers Simon and Andrew both get £1million.
The bequest comes weeks after Oxfam chiefs warned they needed to cut jobs and find £16million in savings.
Just fancy that!
#BBCnews #channel4news #RichardCousins @Oxfam lets join the dots. Big charities riddled with #MI6 agents. Sex accusations hit charity income. Richard Cousins puts clause in his will, 1 year later his entire family are dead. Its business as usual at Oxfam. #motive
— Carl (@cj980088) August 21, 2018
As we know, #NDNGH I’m sure they aren’t going short, wherever they are.
Edward Hugh Cousins, 23 – “died ” 31 December 2017 – grant only, 31 July 2018 [Cardiff]
No sign of any probate so far for William Cousins, 25 or for the lover, Emma Bowden, 48.
August 29, 2018 at 1:18 pm #855473
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update….as soon as I wrote the above, the will of the lover, Emma Bowden, was proved in Manchester and probate granted on August 23.
An “expert” writes on the extraordinary clause in the will of Richard Cousins, who took into account that he and his two grown up sons with their own lives would all die together [veeeeeery likeleeeee….]
Mr Cousins appears to have been properly advised and, however unlikely the possibility of his dying with his sons, his will envisaged that occurrence, rather than risk distribution of a significant part of his estate according to the intestacy rules. The common tragedy of Mr Cousins and his sons dying together activates the clause and, as Mr Cousins evidently desired, benefits Oxfam as the party nominated to receive his sons’ shares.
envisaged? he knew jolly well, all part of the plan.
There is a missing £1m in his will [all but £3m went to Oxfam yet his brothers’ benefit totalled £2m…] I wonder where that went to? The MSM seems very incurious.August 30, 2018 at 1:21 pm #855492
It is often more worthwhile to study these smaller hoaxes than the larger ones, especially as we are dealing with real people.
As noted, the father of the allegedly dead girl and former partner of her mother has been kept well away from the MSM.
see post above, #post-851773
Here he is in 2009 page 8
“Alex is on secondment from DEFRA [Department for Food, Environment and Rural Affairs] and works for the European Commission in Bruxelles [oh how European] He eis project manager for the “Less Favoured Areas exercise..” [no family details supplied, unlike most of the other Nuffield Award winners’ profiles….
And here’s a rare 2008 shot of Emma [Sept 2008] who seems to be enjoying life in Grenada in the Caribbean for OK magazine. Heather would have been 2 at this time.
“Emma Bowden loved the new Mount Cinammon” – owned by Peter de Savary, and frequented by the likes of Mick Jagger, Lewis Hamilton and many more….
I bet she did.August 31, 2018 at 2:02 pm #855515
With the 20th anniversary of the Swissair Flight 111 alleged crash on September 2 1998 looming, Ab has posted in the blog
There’s little critical analysis of the event, but it has all the tell-tale signs of being hoaxable – stories of last minute changes of plan, the location of the “wreckage” in an easily dumpable location just 5 miles offshore in a fishing bag in Nova Scotia.
and a nice international spread of fictims to maximise world coverage
Naturally we are treated to several films from the “reconstruction for TV” industry, plus assorted memorials and law suits as expected…not forgetting the suspsicious “cockpit fire” cause, all of which might be viewed as a 9/11 softening up exercise for the populus, including the mass disaster victim identification drill using DNA and dental records [allegedly]
Oh, and the absolute gold standard of any plane crash hoax – the money shot of the easily identifiable serial number in one piece…
It’s gotta be a hoax, all boxes ticked.
The “grieving relatives” photocall
Let’s look at the UK citizens,
Abery, Keith, Britain
Jackman, Olivier, dual citizen of France and Britain **
Ratnavale, Joyce, dual citizen of Switzerland and Britain
Ratnavale, Victor, dual citizen of Switzerland and Britain ***
Scoular, Norman, 45, England
Shaw, Stephanie, Great Britain
Wilcox, Alex, dual citizen of the United States and Britain **
Wilcox, Petra, dual citizen of the United States and Britain
**US SSDI BIRTH: 22 Apr 1970
DEAD: 2 Sep 1998
Alexander David Wilcox is given as a UK overseas birth in Switzerland 1970
Olivier Mathieu P Jackman given as a UK overseas birth in Belgium in 1974
What are the odds of that?! Jackman leaves no other trace.
Petra Wilcox was actually Swedish and it seems Alex was French. But never mind….
Petra Wilcox’s sister called Jan Bonnevier. The death penalty came as a shock.
“I’ve known the family for 30 years, I’ve seen Petra grow up. It is so unbelievably tragic.
Two years ago, the couple married a grand show in Geneva. One of the guests was journalist Jan Bonnevier, a former long-standing reporter.
“It was a great wedding. Both had a bright future ahead, “he said.
Petra Wilcox has lived in New York for five years. Before that she was living in Stockholm and Switzerland.
Her father is the businessman and doctor Bertil Faijerson. He is one of the founders of the company Praktikertjänst. Petra Wilcox’s mother has been a journalist on several Swedish newspapers. Nowadays, the family lives outside of Geneva in Switzerland.
Petra Wilcox moved to New York to settle with her husband, Frenchman Alex Wilcox.
“Both were very positive and happy people. They were very well together, says Jan Bonnevier.
Alex Wilcox was a trained photographer and ran a successful digital photography company with another Swedish photographer.
Even Petra Wilcox worked at the company, located in the middle of Manhattan in New York.
“It went very well for them. Alex was a skilled photographer. Sometimes they traveled to Switzerland to greet Petra’s parents, says Jan Bonnevier.
*** there is no evidence that Victor Ratnavale was a UK citizen
Joyce S Ratnavale nee Dellery in 1924, was 74 years old, her husband 77 and recovering from heart surgery, so ideal candidates for early retirement.
Keith Sidney Abery b 1958 was recorded as having died in Switzerland!!
elder brother Clive B, born 1955, [parents Sidney [1911-1987] and Vera MG [nee Ross,d. 1913-2006] Abery] who seems to have retired to Moldova… The parents married in 1940… hmmmm
Much more interesting are the other two, Shaw and Scoular….September 1, 2018 at 4:11 am #855524
here’s the daughter of the Ratnvales – Chantal. No further comment.
The father of Stephanie Brooks, Ian, went to live, apart from his wife and “surviving” son Olivier [who worked for the spooky Red Cross] to open a restaurant…… 9 miles away,right next to the “crash” site!
Stephanie had just been recruited by the World Economics Forum…
and also worked as a ground stewardess for….Swissair. Hmmmmmm
The restaurant is still running, but there’s no mention of Ian, Stephanie or Swissair, or even why it has the name Shaw’s Landing.
Allegedly the Shaws reunited and moved to Alicante in Spain circa 2007
Several news articles archived here
Gudula Shaw is still active in 2016
Gudula and Ian Derek Shaw [said to be 68 in 2006] had a company registered in Dublin in 1994…on September 1 [!] called Dreamfield Limited, a fake birth date of 1958 [ought to have been 1938] was supplied, Gudula’s 1944.
And there’s a UK BBC tearjerker to accompany Ian Shaw’s story [circa 2002]
September 1, 2018 at 5:02 pm #855527
Finally, as the 20th anniversary draws even closer, we come to the most interesting of the UK vicsims…
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/relatives-of-victims-are-flown-to-canada-1195973.html A SPECIAL flight took relatives of the 229 dead last night to the scene of the disaster, where they were preparing to carry out the grim task of identifying the remains.
In Britain, the Foreign Office said seven Britons, and not six, as originally thought, were on the Swissair flight that crashed off the Canadian coast on Wednesday night.
so a flight brings some of the 229’s relatives to Canada. From where?
Mr Scoular, 45, originally of Bramhall, Greater Manchester, was returning from a business trip in Massachusetts to his home in Geneva.
Mr Scoular, who was divorced, was the chief executive of an electrical firm, Sylvania Lighting International.
His deputy, Roger McSweeny, said he had spoken to him minutes before he boarded the flight.
“He was at the peak of his career. A man of prodigious energy and a man of great warmth and charisma,” he said. “He rang me from the airport that evening but he had to break off the conversation because he was called to board the ill-fated flight. He was his normal effervescent self and we were due to get together on Sunday evening in Brussels. I have lost a great boss and a great friend.” Mr Scoular, a keen golfer, had an 18- year-old son and two daughters in their twenties. He had lived in Geneva for five years.
Indeed, Scoular was briefly in 1993 a director of Sylvania in the UK
Scottish Daily Record, November 16 1998
A SCOTTISH victim of an air crash off Canada will finally be laid to rest in his home town this week.
Edinburgh-born businessman Norman Scoular, 46, was on Swissair Flight 111 which crashed into the Atlantic at the beginning of September.
All 229 passengers and crew died in the tragedy off Nova Scotia less than an hour after take- off from JFK airport in New York.
Despite a massive salvage operation to recover the bodies, it is understood that many have yet to be found.
Many proved difficult to identify. Norman’s father, Alexander, 76, had to provide a blood sample so authorities could use his DNA to confirm the identity of his son’s body.&&
He is finalising funeral arrangements for Friday with wife Elizabeth, 74, and said: “At one point we thought they would never find Norman’s body.
“But now we will have a private funeral and then a memorial service && to which all his friends are invited.
“It has been very hard and difficult for us since his death. We wanted to bring him home.”
Alexander, of Longniddry, East Lothian, added: “He will be buried and we shall have a proper service for him, which will be some comfort to us.”
Devoted Hibs fan ** Norman joined Geneva-based lighting company SLI and helped turn it into a world-wide concern. He was based in Manchester.
He is survived by his wife, [ex wife, surely?] Elspeth, and children Ashley, 24, Angela, 22, and Martin 20.
** yes, we always have to bring football into it, a key hoax marker.
&& other hoax markers, the DNA “identification” charade, the “private funeral”
What else? Ah, an annual golf tournament in SE Scotland in Norman’s name
Dad Alex in the centre here
Also appearing in the golf tournament are his brother Raymond and nephew Ryan
SCOULAR Norman 15th Anniversary Sadly missed, Never forgotten.”Brother Raymond and nephew Ryan. Published in Edinburgh News on Sept. 3, 2013
Ashley Jane Scoular b 1975 born Dumfries
Angela Rachael Scoular b 1977 born Edinburgh
Martin Kristopher Scoular b 1978 born Edinburgh
Ex-wife Elspeth married the previous year, 1997, becoming Elspeth Baxter, marrying Alan John Baxter.
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To make sure we never forget these “crashes” we have the memorial…
Information board at the /”mass burial site”in Bayswater Lunenberg county NS
and also at the memorial across the bay at Whalesback which also has the same “triangle” board.
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As expected, a whole tranche of experts, witnesses and first responders are being wheeled out with their stories from 20 years ago.
Swissair Flight 111 crash 20 years later: How the tragedy unfolded
‘It’s affected me the most in my career’: First responders reflect on Swissair Flight 111 tragedy
What we never see is any body or body part, even from the underwater cameras – that’s the trick card which is always played – “too contentious to show” in these black box hoaxes.
See the Medical Examiner, “‘I’m sorry to tell you that you will never see any of your loved ones again.’” the NTSB “expert” leading an investigation that took 4.5 years and cost $57 million with his 23 recommendations and the stress councillor whose job seems to be to make us believe that there were “body parts” everywhere, with the alleged all pervading smell. All we see are tiny shard of metal and wires which have no provenance. And similarly the floating garbage could be anywhere. The fisherman &&& tells us that all the small boats were ushered out of the area for a period and then allowed in….. hmmmmmm says they brought up a man’s thigh and put it in a fire bucket [suuuuure]
@1:58 – note the ridiculous “fuel dump” path of flight 111 instead of making for Halifax [if indeed it was in the air] – it resembles the “Ebola virus”.
And another grieving relative, in usual photograph holding pose, the baby adding extra poignancy
source, reminding us of the “heroes”
The hidden story is the heroism of the people who went out that night in their boats and the people who went to the shore to put their high beams out on the water. Some of the horrific things that they found, starting right away and for months after, the things that were washing up on the shore, no human being should ever have to see.”
Well, we saw nothing, so we must trust you…..
Fox Point fisherman Robert Conrad, who was alone in his boat when he discovered a baby’s lifeless body among the devastating carnage.
a good start – a BABY
Paul Comeau and his late brother Eric Comeau took part in the recovery effort as members of the Clare Ground Search and Rescue team. Though never diagnosed with PTSD, Comeau remains convinced he and his brother dealt with some form of the condition. Eric died of a heart attack eight years ago.
They were team captains and over nine days both were moved to several different islands, making one gruesome discovery after another.
“The first thing I saw was an airplane seat,” said Comeau. “We were picking up human flesh and putting them in bags.”
Vicks VapoRub that he and other searchers spread underneath their nose to limit the stench of decomposing flesh was ineffective. He said he and his brother along with the people they were in charge of were not given the proper training or counselling to deal with what they encountered.
Hoax management –
[Claire who allegedly lost her father John and….specialises in PTSD Therapy in Maine!] Mortimer says she also wants to determine how many people committed suicide after the recovery and someday hopes a memorial will be built in their memory, similar to the Swissair memorials in Bayswater and Peggys Cove.
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