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  • #855534
    xileffilex
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    Medical Examiner Dr John Butt
    source Sept 1 2018

    “I would dare to say that at the time, which was September or October of 1998, that that was probably the largest DNA effort that had occurred. And then, of course, 9/11 came along in 2001 and that turned out to be a massive thing,” he said.

    …another Mass Disaster Victim Identification Simulation

    and more “locals” who were “assisting” but in reality seemed to be being kept well away from things

    https://globalnews.ca/video/rd/1310075459927

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    #855538
    xileffilex
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    Nobody can escape the 20th anniversary celebration…
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/swissair-flight-111-crash-20th-anniversary-1.4806166

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    blockquote>A memorial service to remember the victims of the crash is taking place Sunday at 3 p.m. AT at the Swissair Memorial Site in Bayswater, N.S.
    CBC News will broadcast the memorial service live at cbc.ca/ns and on Facebook.
    For community members and loved ones of the victims, it’s a chance to remember those who died and recognize those who worked in the aftermath.
    Awoken by a loud boom and the sound of sirens, fishermen from the area were among the first to respond to the disaster the night of Sept. 2, 1998.
    “They were so used to going out to some kind of danger … they did it instinctively,” said Stephen Kimber, author of Flight 111: The Tragedy of the Swissair Crash.

    Claire Mortimer lost her father and stepmother who were on board the plane. In the aftermath of the disaster, Swissair flew the family members of victims, including Mortimer, to Halifax.
    “It was a very emotional thing. Immediately,
    as soon as I heard the news, I felt like I had to be here,” she said.
    Some of the victims’ relatives ended up moving to the province, in order to be closer to the place where their loved one spent their last moments. Others have visited repeatedly since 1998, as Mortimer has done.

    Some interesting clips on this Swiss site – the one thing you won’t see is any evidence of bodies:
    https://www.swissinfo.ch/ger/wirtschaft/vor-20-jahren_der-absturz-von-swissair-111–gruende-und-folgen/44361008
    but we find this standard, posed “grieving photo” from Geneva airport


    abe [Merrick, NY]
    ?@aklein5189
    Replying to @AlexanderQuon @hfxjournalism
    My dad Stanley klein was on Swissair 111 I still relive this day nightmare I was in Halifax that time when it happened and the year later I still think there’s more to it
    5:15 pm – 1 Sep 2018 [PST]

    indeed

    Here’s the story of the local journo in Halifax [linked in tweet above] who just happened to be working late that night….
    The -[911] dispatcher was directing them to go to QEII hospital in Halifax and load every portable oxygen bottle they could carry into their ambulance and head to a fire station in Hubbards. When the crew asked why, the dispatcher said Hubbards would be used as an ambulance staging area for a mass casualty situation. “A jetliner crashed,” is all the dispatcher said.

    We pressed copy editors into working the phones to call random people in the Hubbards area, getting as much information as we could. Many said they heard a jet flying so low it rattled the dishes in their cupboards.

    the hospital was gearing up for mass casualties. Patients were transferred out of the emergency department to make room. Blood was shipped in, and additional medical and surgical staff called in to help

    The quaintness of Peggy’s Cove was transformed by a large-scale military operation


    sounds like a disaster drill. He’s just being fed.

    I would get anonymous tips — mostly from conspiracy theorists, each with their own theory on why the plane crashed. None of them proved true.

    LOL!

    And Swissair went to the wall straight after 9/11.
    Do I detect non-terrist narrative overtones of Lockerbie in this event, almosgt 10 years after?

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    #855542
    xileffilex
    Participant

    It is apparent that Klein [see above] has been a visible media figure in the narrative since the beginning.
    e.g.
    in this Sept 1998 CBS TV transcript
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kofman/
    And families of victims are still coming. Abe Klein’s father Stanley was on that flight heading from his home in Queens, New York to Geneva for a quick business meeting.

    (SOT – Cheryl Klein 0.45.51) WE WENT THROUGH SHOCK – NOW WE ARE ANGRY.

    (NARR) Klein and his wife came to Nova Scotia hoping to retrieve Stanley Klein’s body… it hasn’t been found. They are to determined to leave with answers.

    (SOT – 0.45.33 ABE) I AM AT A STAGE WHERE I WANT TO KNOW. I REALLY BELIEVE THAT WAS AN ACCIDENT BUT (CHERYL) THINGS COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED. WE THINK HE HAD TIME TO LAND. (ABE) WE REALLY BELIEVE THAT.

    [the dramatic narrative of the plane circling to dump fuel, allegedly, rather than land at Halifax…]

    Klein also appears at “O” in this 2006 forum page

    http://forums.swissair111.org/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/322103945/m/567104945

    these forums are a standard conspiracy / truth deflectors always set up for these events, the home page of this one concentrating on the in-flight entertainment system wiring which allegedly brought down a plane [suuuuure] … still going strong, and given a boost by the 20th anniversary
    http://forums.swissair111.org/eve/forums/a/frm/f/322103945

    And allegedly there were 50 Jewish victims..and which one should be highlighted?

    Nova Scotia Jews helping crash victims’ relatives cope


    Sept 9 1998

    According to [Rabbi] Feldman, the family of one of the victims, Stanley Klein, has claimed an empty bag that contained his Jewish prayer shawl. That, said Feldman, has led to speculation that “when the plane was going down and he had no idea if he would live, he put on his tallis and davened.

    I’d put that in the film.

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    #855549
    xileffilex
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    The 20th anniversary memorial service… ‘loved ones’, ‘first responders’, dark glasses. I think we’ve seen all this before and will see it again

    Some more details here
    ….The MacDonald Bridge between Halifax and Dartmouth was closed that evening

    Was it now!

    Two days later, [Greg Cainen, Halifax police officer] was sent to patrol Peggy’s Cove.. to ensure the family members of the victims didn’t attempt suicide on the slippery rocks “to be with their loved ones.

    Really!
    Coincidentally, there’s a piece on the sinking of the Lusitania in 1915 a similar distance off the coast of Ireland to the Swissair 111’s alleged grave, at Piece of Mindful
    From Wikipedia, we read, of that suspicious 1915 event…

    In the days following the disaster, the Cunard line offered local fishermen and sea merchants a cash reward for the bodies floating all throughout the Irish Sea, some floating as far away as the Welsh coast. In all, only 289 bodies were recovered, 65 of which were never identified.

    hmmmm

    #855802
    xileffilex
    Participant

    One we overlooked, the highly suspicious and formulaic “crash” of SAS flight 686 at Milan airport on 10/8 2001…. 29 days after 9/11, and shortly before 11/12 AA flight 587 in New York. A busy time for “plane crashes”.
    Memorial? Check.
    Sporting connection – check

    In March 2002, a forest containing 118 beeches called Bosco dei Faggi was inaugurated as a memorial to the victims in the Forlanini Park near the airport. A sculpture by the Swedish artist Christer Bording donated by SAS, called Infinity Pain, was placed in the centre of the forest.
    The disaster devastated the Swedish go-kart community as some of the country’s most promising young drivers were on the flight after attending an event in Milan.

    Mayday TV film? Check.
    UK “victims”? Check [2]
    Natalie Micallef and Jessica King **, who held joint British and American citizenship
    ** “thought to be in her 30s – BBC
    “travelling separatgely…It is believed they both lived in Copenhagen.” [the destination of the flight]

    Hoax management? Four air traffic controllers “jailed” in 2005.

    Any evidence for the official narrative? Not much, just the usual small bits of distressed plane being loaded by the BIG CRANE and carted off on the “big truck”.[check]


    note the use of the few still images in the above Italian report, which were shared with the BBC

    “One could hardly see anything because of the smoke,

    source
    rather like 9/11. Coupled with the fog, ideal conditions to stage the event. Allegedly crashing into the baggage handling shed for added impact [sic]

    Stefano Romanello, the European representative of the US manufacturers of the Cessna executive jet, was a passenger on the plane.

    well, fancy that!

    “I immediately thought it was a bomb that had exploded in one of the suitcases and ran to escape,” Salvatore Reale, a baggage handler who suffered burns, said.

    suuure…
    oh come on!

    “It looked like war. A burnt out aircraft always makes a considerable impression,”

    yes, an impression that there had been a plane crash, which in actual fact was a #HRDPAR

    he tail section broke off and the jet burst into flames

    making sure that the all-important SAS branding survived.



    source
    Verdict – an obvious #NDNGH staged event, but with excellent fearmongering, dramatic news production, drill co-ordination and a probable insurance scam. ***
    *** i.e. you/me surcharged for our own entertainment

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    #855810
    xileffilex
    Participant

    The UK assumed victim was Natalie Kaye Micallef b Hackney 1966 [Q1] since we find a mass offered for her on the exact 15th anniversary date of the crash in 2016 in.. Bishops Stortford, home of her father who is a member of the local history society as well as the parish council. Her mother remarried in 1992, her father in 1989….and again…
    two sisters but no mention of any air crashes or anniversaries. The last now in Townsville, QLD, Australia….

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    #856696
    xileffilex
    Participant

    Hoax management [or lack of it] for the Sydney Seaplane “crash” – one year on, [anniversary December 31] so we need a story for the MSM.

    Ah yes, we have undated images of a seaplane taken from the ground and undated images of the inlet taken from a seaplane. Just like they do in films.

    We are not told the origin of these “front seat passenger’s photos”

    and, to pad out the finely crafted hoax narrative, he we have a distressed camera and an equally distressed memory card [c.f. those 9/11 passports and identity cards…]

    suuuuuuure
    source ABC and and BBC

    Authorities are yet to release their findings on what caused the crash.

    i.e. they haven’t thought up a plausible defect/pilot error script yet.

    PS the final piece of the “probate jigsaw” for the Cousins family was finally sorted out on September 12 2018 [no will]
    William Michael Cousins. “died” December 31 2017.
    His younger brother’s probate, Edward Hugh, was tidied up on July 31, that of Emma Jane Bowden [with will] on August 23 2018.

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    #1810695
    xileffilex
    Participant

    Well fancy this!
    Jerome Ensinck, alleged passenger in the above psy-op, is actually Dr Jeroen Ensink who….. was allegedly stabbed to death by a maniac in North London in late 2015, the subject of TWO GoFundMe type pages….

    A memorial fund, perhaps? You bet!
    http://blogs.lshtm.ac.uk/alumni/2016/01/05/obituary-dr-jeroen-ensink/#comments

    Prof Peter Piot,** director of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, said: “We are deeply shocked and saddened by the death of Jeroen Ensink.

    Since the LSHTM is in the news again in its high-profile role in the coronavirus hoax, it’s interesting to return to this alleged death. I hadn’t quite grasped the level of duping in the TV interview with the “widow” shortly after her husband’s “death” leaving her “alone” with a very small child.

    The scholarship is running nicely
    https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/study/fees-and-funding/funding-scholarships/2021-22-jeroen-ensink-memorial-fund-scholarship

    Nadja Ensink-Teich
    https://www.nadjaensinkteich.com/
    Now as a transformational grief and trauma coach whose fb page has suddenly stopped in April 2020
    https://www.facebook.com/journeyofawidowedmom/

    So what do you do after such a “tragedy”? You go on a road trip with your daughter
    https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/91fcc17d4d338ce3804aec8dc1d5dd03fe51079d/776_2132_3418_4272/master/3418.jpg
    source – https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/jul/27/road-trip-after-daddy-died-promised-show-daughter-the-world
    July 27 2019
    on which she got Dengue Fever -allegedly

    Incredibly, the two local women who visited the hospital had heard about Ensink-Teich, through an Indonesian PhD student living in Europe whose supervisor was a friend of Jeroen’s.

    yes, incredible….

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    #1811333
    napoleon
    Participant

    😈

    frankesteinsmjonster

    #1874242
    xileffilex
    Participant

    John T Walton – Walmart heir – checks out, age 58, in a ‘plane crash’ in isolated Wyoming, less than two weeks before 7/7 in London…
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_T._Walton

    Shortly before his death, Forbes magazine had estimated Walton’s net worth to be US$18.2 billion, tied with his brother Jim as the 4th richest person in the United States[9] and 11th-richest person in the world. [Jim is now up to 8th spot]

    Walton was survived by his wife Christy and their son Lukas. He was previously married to Mary Ann Gunn, who later became a judge in Arkansas.

    He was flying a CGS Hawk Arrow homemade aircraft

    | https://kgab.com/on-this-day-in-wyoming-history-walmart-heir-dies-in-a-plane-crash-near-jackson-hole/

    Let’s search for some pictures…
    here’s the engine in high res.
    https://www.sme.sk/cdata/2276199/20050628003_Walton_big.jpg

    and the tangled heap of junk
    https://www.sme.sk/cdata/2276199/20050628004_Walton_big.jpg

    That’s about it. Convinced? No?

    The usual NTSB cover-up here

    Back in Arkansas, Aug 13 2006
    https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2006/aug/13/faults-found-in-plane-that-crashed-killing-heir/

    A report issued Friday by the National Transportation Safety Board didn’t identify what caused the crash of Walton’s CGS Aviation Hawk Arrow, but it did pinpoint problems – namely, the loose flight control component and multiple modifications.

    The Walton family declined to comment on the report.

    Before his fatal crash, Walton had a hard landing near Burwell, Neb., while flying the same plane to Jackson Hole from the East Coast. Walton had the plane trucked from Nebraska to Jackson, where he repaired the landing gear before his last flight. He also had removed the aircraft’s fabric skin, replaced its windshield and removed a cover from the wing area, the report said.

    Chuck Slusarczyk, owner of CGS Aviation and designer of the Hawk Arrow, said the loose flight control component – known as a locking collar – or the modifications could have caused the crash.

    “We never tested a Hawk Arrow in the configuration he was flying it,” Slusarczyk said.

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    #1874331
    xileffilex
    Participant

    wife..

    Christy Walton, Net Worth $24 Billion – Not only is this Jackson resident and Wal-Mart heiress the richest person in the Cowboy State, she’s also the wealthiest woman in the world

    January 11 2016
    **
    https://1063cowboycountry.com/the-five-richest-people-in-wyoming/

    There doesn’t seem to be any online reference to a funeral.

    From Legacy.com

    Joan Anzelmo, a spokeswoman for Grand Teton National Park, said rangers will investigate the crash, as is done with any major accident in the park.

    ** however, reported less than two months earlier…
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-06/a-wal-mart-heir-is-27-billion-poorer-than-everyone-calculated

    filings, unsealed by a Wyoming court at Bloomberg News’s request, mean that Christy’s fortune as previously calculated has taken a big hit — from $32 billion before the court records were unsealed to about $5 billion now. She’s unlikely to ever again reach her former designation as America’s richest woman, which she held until last month.

    But her loss is Lukas’s gain. Though little-known outside of a few scattered social media posts, he becomes the 103rd-richest person in the world, with about $11 billion — and as much as $25 billion if certain trusts are included, according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index.

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    #1921448
    xileffilex
    Participant

    Are any air crashes real? Here’s another beauty from July 3 1968, Heathrow London.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Heathrow_BKS_Air_Transport_Airspeed_Ambassador_crash/
    Arriving from Deauville…
    https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19680703-0

    Six of the eight people on board the Ambassador were killed, along with the eight racehorses being transported on it. The crash was blamed on the failure of a flap-operating rod due to metal fatigue, resulting in asymmetrical lift.

    The “six dead” included three of the five horse grooms
    suuuure
    The

    The [Airspeed] Ambassador[of BKS, the airline] cartwheeled following the impact and slid upside down coming up against the ground floor of the terminal building where there was an explosion.

    Two people on the ground were allegedly injured, several ground aircraft were allegedly damaged **…the terminal was under construction [!] so, no passengers to get in the way of the drill.

    **Of the two Trident aircraft, G-ARPT was damaged beyond economic repair and G-ARPI was subsequently repaired; it was later destroyed when it crashed on 18 June 1972 in what became known as the Staines Air Disaster.[2] A Viscount (G-APKF) received slight damage.[4] The Viscount was also repaired but was also later destroyed when it crashed at Phnom Penh Airport, Cambodia in March 1975 after being sold to Royal Air Lao as XW-TDN[5]

    Fancy that, both damaged aircraft later crashed. LOL! Any more coincidences? Sure. The crashed plane, G-AMAD had a sister plane in the fleet named after the dead engineer in G-AMAD….Mr John.Cullen Moody, who is buried in Sutton Road Cemetery, Southend-on-Sea

    https://web.archive.org/web/20121012001454/https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1968/1968%20-%201196.html

    And astonishingly [or perhaps not for staged events] we just happened to have someone from the other end of England taking cine film of this obscure horse transporter….

    not a pane of glass was broken or scorched…

    We also have “fuzzy”…

    and another clip

    Written account from Etta Montgomery (wife of Collis Montgomery):
    “Collis Montgomery was killed
    in the BKS Heathrow London Air Crash with 5 mares and 3 foals flying from Deauville (London). Second flight that day. Horses valued at GPB 80,000. At 5.27pm on Wednesday the 3rd of July 1968.

    He went through 3 partitions in the tail of the plane, also the steel padded sound barrier – instantaneous.

    8 men on board, 3 survived. The pilot, co-pilot and engineer burned, the plane broke in half. Fatigue – a piece of metal went in the left flap of the wing. 4 mares lay on the tarmac and bled to death. The horses piled up in the crash first and men were underneath, except for one whose foot went through the floor. Then the tail turned upside down and as he was hanging from the ceiling the nurse injected him to put him out of pain and thought he was going to be burned too. He came to in hospital and told the story of the inside of the plane, and told me when I saw the plane after the crash”.

    hmmm too much detail there for my liking…


    Warwick Bowen
    1 year ago
    My father witnessed the crash, he was working on the new terminal, just hearing the story now and we searched for it. One horse survived somehow according to Dad but was shot 1/2 hr later.


    ClassicAviationTV
    1 year ago
    Film is reversed (mirrored), the original flight path taken was from right to left. Not Tims error its Movietone’s. There was colour footage of the same taken by a TV company from a high angle, possible on top of one the buildings. They were covering a VIP event but that seems to have been wiped

    does that look realistic at 0.25 speed?
    or

    A “once in a life-time” chance for an amateur cameraman. Oldham Shopkeeper Frank Mills

    Linda Pickford
    4 months ago
    My grandfather filmed this… It was in colour before the news took it too. My mum was there too abd my grandma Doris Mills. It was terrifying…

    So, we have colour film, allegedly reversed and turned into black and white.
    There’s plenty of gatekeeping on one of the two version of the Movietone clip


    Alice In Wonderland
    2 years ago
    Always nice to know the death of your great uncle has been uploaded for the world to see! Did you not think about the relatives of the stable boys that were killed in this accident when uploading this! So sad that my late nan can now watch her brothers death on YouTube ?? this is very upsetting for my family! RIP John Bunker….. never forgotten ?

    Brian Russell
    1 year ago
    My friend and I worked for Dan Air who did the ground handling at LGW for BKS. He did the ramp and I the load sheet and paperwork. Captain Hand came to our office prior to his leg to Douville. We joined him for a cigarette and a chat while the horses were loaded. I had problems understanding the trim wheel to calculate the tail setting and we all chatted on the flight deck – the first officer was a very friendly and helpful man. We waved off the aircraft. The routing for the flight was Douville then back to LHR. I went home and fell asleep in front of the TV and woke up to the news and video of the aircraft crashing. It was a terrible moment and one I have carried for all of these years – such an awful loss of life.

    The Binman
    3 years ago
    I saw G-AMAD on its final approach onto runway 28R (now 27R) that afternoon from East Sheen after school.


    suuuuure

    Stable lads would be very easy to relocate and reassign.

    John C Moody m 1951 Betty Doreen Lucas . d. Michele L Moody b 1953 m David J Saunders [as Michelle] aged 17

    Mrs Moody died aged 91 on 17 July 2016 48 years after the ‘crash’.
    JC Cullen lived at 216 North Avenue Southend-on-Sea Administration Dec 18 1968 £9226
    There is no trace of any Montgomery in connection with the ‘crash’. There are no available records of any names of grooms, horses or trainers involved – racing at Deauville is not for the low end of the horse racing industry.

    Did Frank [or Doris] Mills exist?

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