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    xileffilex
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    OK… we are familiar with the memorials which pop up, sure as night follows day, after a staged event where #NDNGH.
    It is frequently alluded to here at fakeologist.com that “war is a hoax” and is “strategic relocation”
    So when how far back do we go to find real deaths on memorials? Iraq? Vietnam, Korea? WW2? WW1?
    We can probably rule out all the names on recent disasters as being relocations.

    I just pulled one small village in England out of the hat – every similar place will have a war memorial either in a public place, cemetery, church, listing the names of the men who died – Caston, Norfolk, which I have no connection with, and which bears a modest 15 names for WW1. You can research their births and locations online.
    http://www.breckland-rollofhonour.org.uk/caston.html

    They all have memorials in various locations in mainland Europe also all expensively created and maintained.

    They existed, like 9/11 “victims” I have researched. Where did they go to? Caston is just one of thousands of similar villages and towns in the UK which have war memorials.

    [one small note, a minor error I spot straight away – Richard Hannant was never Richard, he was christened and married as “Dick”]

    #855909

    xileffilex
    Participant

    Someone at Piece of Mindful has just brought up the war memorial conundrum
    A Proper Glance at the Proper Gander Podcast

    A fag packet calculation equates with the official death toll of 1,000,000 approx in the UK.

    What is not extrapolated is the number of injured or seriously injured people, mainly men, in WW1.

    We often find in modern, baby hoaxes that there is always an unusually high ratio of deaths to injuries as it’s easier to “new life” someone than to stage injuries, and when the latter is done, it’s rarely convincing.

    UK population in 1914, which included all of Ireland, was 46,000,000. So that’s 23,000,000 men. How many were, say, aged between 14 and 40?

    In fact at this page
    https://nzhistory.govt.nz/war/united-kingdom-facts
    we find some figures and the injured to dead ratio is not much about 2, say 2.3:1 just for the army.
    ): 702,410
    Wounded: 1,622,625

    Total mobilised [army] 4,006,000
    Total dead/injured 2,325,000 approx
    [Army only]
    approx 57 per cent….

    Obviously I can’t veryfy that, they are taken from sources cited in the link. Air force, Navy and onshore civilian reported casualties are much lower.

    #856199

    xileffilex
    Participant

    As Dave J says, war is “controlled demolition and stretetic relocation” to which I’d add planned redevelopment.
    Considering London in WW2, it was quite amazing that St Paul’s Cathedral survived intact when everything around it was being bombed to bits.
    Here’s an interactive map from the “blitz”
    http://bombsight.org/#17/51.51466/-0.10138
    and another
    http://bombsight.org/#17/51.51962/-0.11621
    Before I discovered the above, I had come across these photos which had been aired on a blog…a bombing in High Holborn London WC1 at the top of Chancery Lane said to have occurred on October 8 1940, the start of the “blitz”
    High Holborn at Chancery Lane station, WW2 bomb damage, 8th October 1940 (1/4)

    High Holborn at Chancery lane station, WW2 bomb damage, 8th October 1940 (3/4)

    The position of the bus seems unrelated to the damaged which appears contained within one building

    http://blitzincidents.blogspot.com/2014/01/high-holborn-morning-of-8th-october-1940.html
    Writing the following day, Colin Perry reported, “Chancery Lane was bombed in the morning rush hour. Charing Cross Station was hit, 8 killed and 27 injured. Another bomb fell near Odhams reducing a building already scheduled for demolition **, knocking in several shops and killing a number of people.
    suuuure
    ** oh oh!!
    At least one bomb dropped in High Holborn – from the photographic evidence, a building was destroyed and a bus was badly damaged, whether by blast, debris or a second bomb is uncertain.

    The bus outside 12 High Holborn retains its shell intact (including the rook on the upper deck) and appears to have stopped past the wrecked building (near the junction with Grays Inn Road).

    The blogger has research the dead at number 12 High Holborn, three Italians from an Italian Restaurant there, plus an unconnected man [whose wife died conveniently 14 months later, the following year]
    The death of William Charles George Bellhouse at 12 High Holborn is recorded as occurring on the following day, October 9….

    Strategic relocation?

    No trace remains of any of the above buildings. The bus prop was returned to service quickly with a new body, LT1231 GW 5893
    source

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    #858101

    xileffilex
    Participant

    A recent 75th anniversary of a war time event not caused by the “enemy” allows a recapitualtion of the official narrative
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-48474718

    Church bells have rung out to remember two men who died in a massive World War Two explosion while trying to save a town from destruction 75 years ago.

    A train carrying bombs caught fire while travelling through Soham in Cambridgeshire, on 2 June 1944.

    Driver Benjamin Gimbert and fireman James Nightall attempted to drive it out of town when it exploded, killing Nighthall and signalman Frank Bridges.
    Heroes? Check!
    The big crane 1944 style

    A nice big crater

    Kay Sinclair, whose father was an off-duty firefighter who went to help, said: “He was told to crawl into the crater in which the train was lying and retrieve the body of James Nightall.

    and then what?

    Amateur photographer W Martin Lane heard the explosion in nearby Ely…
    Walter Martin Lane 1906 – 1973 [n.b. no probate issued]

    Amazingly the fen floods [of 1947] were the second tragedy that W. Martin Lane had pictured. When the Soham ammunition train explosion echoed across the fen to Ely in 1944 he had taken a taxi to the spot to record the devastation, despite the censorship that was imposed on the incident. His photographs show the wreckage of the locomotive that Driver Ben Gimbert and Fireman James Nightall had driven out of the station pulling the one burning wagon away from the rest of the consignment of 50 wagons loaded with bombs and detonators. They also
    show the crater that resulted when the forty 5001b bombs exploded. By the time Lane arrived work was in progress to clear the wreckage and demolish the remains of the signal box where
    Frank Bridges had lost his life
    . Soon the line was open once more for other ammunition convoys to maintain the bomber offensive during the lead-up to D-Day. His pictures made the front page of the Daily Express after he’d hitch-hiked to London to deliver them.

    source

    Looks like he was the official photographer called in after the scene had been set.

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    Tom Dalpra
    Tom Dalpra
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    Ah,yes. The Soham explosion. I’ve often wondered. My family moved to Soham in 1973. I went to school there. In, I think, 1974 the train driver Ben Gimbert came to my infants school and I was one of only a select couple of children who met him.

    We’d been told the story in class and I’d been fascinated.
    Funnily enough I still remember the meeting with some clarity.He was there with his wife and his medal and was sweet but seemed quite old at just the 71 years he would have been then, as I remember it. He talked about his side of the story. His guilt and the bravery of the other guy he sent back to uncouple the trains and then about all his extensive injuries. He was ‘lucky to be alive’. I remember him showing me the shrapnel that was still under his skin. You could touch it.

    Now I assume nothing, but I certainly welcome a chance to have a little re-look at that incident.bgimb

    Though I don’t go for the hyped terminology, “War is a Hoax” that doesn’t mean I don’t think war is a deception.
    It’s the exact nature of that deception I still wonder about.

    With this Soham event. We accept that deaths do occur in the military but so often from accidents.
    Could this explosion simply have been the wartime accident that it looked like, which was then blamed on sabotage and was a chance to further hype the War effort in the fens and glorify these actually accidental deaths?

    I don’t know, just a thought.
    Old Ben Gimbert didn’t seem like a bullshitter back then, but I was seven.

    😀

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    #858112

    xileffilex
    Participant

    The shrapnel were still there 30 years later? So close to the skin, but impossible to remove? What do I know.

    Touring schools….rather like holocaust survivors, I guess.

    Perhaps I should have filed it under suspicious media events, but it did occur in wartime.

    He had to undergo numerous operations in Newmarket, resulting in the removal of 32 pieces of shrapnel from his body.

    source – http://www.vconline.org.uk/benjamin-gimbert-gc/4589169598

    I’m not sure I can take this any further. Unless any more images turn up.

    #858119
    Tom Dalpra
    Tom Dalpra
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    My understanding is that it’s not uncommon for shrapnel, post blast injury, to be left in the body and be fairly harmless. Apparently it’s quite common among veterans to have bits of metal in them.

    The only question I have is how did Gimbert really get his shrapnel injuries?

    The photographer braving wartime censorship and then hitch hiking to London with his photograph to make the mainstream news does look like a tidy story.
    But it’s difficult to gauge for me. It was a different time and I don’t know how likely that would have been back then.

    This story has become a small part of WWII history and has been kept alive over the years as every now and then a a broadsheet newspaper might re-hash it.

    One thing that strikes me about it within the context of ‘War as a Hoax’ is that it was, on the face of it, a terrible accident, not a case of death in combat.

    It could be said that the hyping of this incident could actually support the notion of War hoaxing, in that it shows no evidence of death by combat.
    It was one of the most famous wartime incidents in the Fens of East Anglia but, guess what, it was a big accident.

    DalTampra

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