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Sept 2021 Remembering the South Africans killed on 9/11
https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/world/2021-09-11-20-years-later-remembering-the-south-africans-killed-on-911/Yes, Nick Lowe was allegedly setting up stands in the Risk Waters Conference in WotW.
https://www.risk.net/people/1506589/remembering-september-11-the-day-ill-never-forget
“UmeVoice CEO Adiathia Padala told the paper he was supposed to help Rowe but lost his keys before arriving at the World Trade Center.”Of course he did.
“Rowe’s remains were among the first to be identified and returned to his family in SA. He was buried three weeks later at the family home overlooking False Bay.”
Suuuure. Don’t they mean Fake Bay?
“Springs-born Craig Neil Gibson, 37, was in the 94th-floor offices of Marsh & McLennan where he worked as insurance broker when the first plane struck the north tower.
The company lost 295 employees and 63 consultants in the attack.
Gibson, a former pupil at Brakpan High School, moved to Australia before moving to New York with his Australian wife, Danielle, a Unicef worker.”
That was in December 2000 when the couple “emigrated”
https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/world/2011-09-11-two-from-sa-will-be-honoured/From a video in which carriers of those oh-so-quickly printed “missing persons” fliers were interviewed by the MSM…
The very professional, polished woman at the start says she’s a “really good friend” of one of the TWO South African “victims” of 9/11: Nicholas or Nick Rowe. Allegedly “the boyfriend of my best friend”.So why isn’t her “best friend” here with the placard? Perhaps she’s not a ‘best friend’ but a good actor.
I get the feeling that she’s remembering lines, putting in too much detail.
Let’s dive into Nick Rowe, something of a rugby hunk with massively muscular body.
We learn that the girlfriend was Michelle P Baker and that Nicholas Rowe was improbably at a Windows on the World conference.
https://obits.cleveland.com/us/obituaries/cleveland/name/nicholas-rowe-obituary?pid=96879
He worked for a company called Umevoice that designs speech recognition software.
An first girlfriend checks in there, as well as someone called Michelle Bowker in South Africa in 2002 lol!
Then this
My name is kaitlyn baker [aged 3 in 2011]. My aunt, Michelle Baker, was his girlfriend.Quite a few photos, including Michelle Baker and parents here and rugger friends
https://voicescenter.org/living-memorial/victim/nicholas-rowe#lg=1&slide=0
Parents Judy and Alec were part of the lawsuit which was needed to reinforce the highjacker narrative.
https://cases.justia.com/federal/district-courts/new-york/nysdce/1:2011cv07550/386662/1/0.pdf?ts=1376345223
Alexander Rowe, named as Personal
Representative of the Estate of Nicholas
Rowe, is a surviving Parent of Nicholas Rowe
Rachael Logan is a surviving Sibling of
Nicholas Rowe
Alexander Rowe as legal guardian of
Nadine Rowe, a surviving Sibling of Nicholas
Rowe
Paul Rowe is a surviving Sibling of Nicholas
Rowe
Michelle Baker is a surviving Fiancée of
Nicholas Rowe
Alexander Rowe on behalf of the Estate of
Judith Rowe, a surviving Parent of Nicholas
RoweMichelle was a graduate student -1999 – at NSU in Florida, College of Allied Health
https://nsuworks.nova.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1051&context=alumni_newsletterHis school remembers him in Johannesburg
https://www.stjohnscollege.co.za/news/2021/remembering-nick-roweWho’s in on it, who’s not?
This archived website is full of info and pictures, courtesy of a Hoboken NJ friend, Bernhard Lenz
https://web.archive.org/web/20020122171740/http://www.bermark.com:80/some of the pictures survive
https://web.archive.org/web/20011217072918/http://www.nickrowe.com/NickMichelleFirstDate.htm
https://web.archive.org/web/20011217072918im_/http://www.nickrowe.com/NickMichelleFirstDate-1.jpg
I clean forgot in 2022 that it was the 50th anniversary of the above, second biggest fake aviation crash in the UK.
Were there any media reports to prop up the narrative? Silly Question!https://web.archive.org/web/20220618053923/getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/staines-trident-plane-crash-killed-24250362
The story of Nurse Frances Castledine, told in 2020, was regurgitated.A memorial to the crash is in Waters Drive on the Moormead Estate and a commemorative stained-glass window, depicting a dove at St Mary’s Church in Staines, also contains a memorial book to the crash.
the usual minimalist pile of media-identifiable junk:
https://web.archive.org/web/20220618053923im_/https://i2-prod.getsurrey.co.uk/incoming/article21959679.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/1_BEA-Trident-Crash-Staines.jpg300 people attended the ceremony
The families of those lost in the crash were also at the service, including Mark Collins, son of British European Airways Captain John Collins who was travelling on the plane that day.
Mark looking cheerful:
https://web.archive.org/web/20220618172106im_/https://i2-prod.getsurrey.co.uk/incoming/article24263168.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/0_Staines-service-1.jpgFrom the abobve 911nwo.com link,
June 4, 2001—”Cantor Fitzgerald/eSpeed conference” takes place at Windows on the World just above the offices of Cantor Fitzgerald. source
Present at the June 4 conference are Thomas Barnett, Carlton Bartels, Philip Ginsberg, William J. “Bud” Flanagan and Rajendra K Pachauri. Of these 4 men, only Carlton Bartels will die in the attacks.
Pachauri was at 9/11 the Vice Chairman on the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change , IPCC, later the Chairman from 2002-2015. Died 2020 aged 79.
The upcoming 50th birthday of some NASA “moon rocks” is an excellent opportunity [in 2022] to crack open a tube of pristine, unopened [December] 1972 vintage moon rock
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-studies-new-50-year-old-lunar-sample-to-prep-for-return-to-moon
This time they’re more interested in the gases and volatiles in the vacuum-sealed 14cm core [suuuure]“The unsealed segment was opened in 2019 and revealed an interesting array of grains and smaller objects, known as rocklets, that lunar geologists were eager to study.
Now, scientists are focusing attention on the sealed, lower segment of the core. The temperature at the bottom of the core was incredibly cold when it was collected,
No need to focus on the “rocklets” – that’s all been put to bed….
The sample was opened as part of NASA’s Apollo Next-Generation Sample Analysis (ANGSA) initiative, which is leveraging advanced technologies to study Apollo samples using new tools that were not available when the samples were originally returned to Earth.
Tool clearly not available to geologists in decades and centuries past.
And here’s a very recent analysis of “moon rock” in a 2022 Nature paper
Advanced Analysis of Apollo Moon Rock Sample Illuminates Lunar Evolution
in which William Nelson et alused a specialized electron microprobe to perform high-resolution analysis of troctolite 76535…. Apollo 17 astronauts collected troctolite 76535 at geology station six. It is a coarse-grained phaneritic rock composed of plagioclase (60%), olivine (35%), and orthopyroxene (5%)18. This sample is the most pristine (displaying the least evidence for impact modification) in the Mg-suite, and thus has become one of the most scientifically valuable samples of the Moon1. Notably, 76535 has been used to quantify the amount of water in the primitive Moon19, the evolution and cessation of the lunar magnetic dynamo20, and the effect of shock on radiometric ages21.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-26841-4
These samples are not handed out willy-nilly… apparently for this study SLIDES were used. The authors aren’t going to get anywhere near pristine “moon rock”
Applying the technique of diffusion chronometry…we inspected six slides of troctolite 76535 that contained hundreds of plagioclase grains. Of these grains, four were suitable for diffusion chronometry.
Someone called Kelly White Collamore crops up on the remembering Adam White facebook page.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellyfishercollamore/
A writer, novelist, with New York, LSE and University of Colorado at Boulder [!] connections.I’m pretty sure this is the girlfriend, and this is her father
https://www.belmont.edu/about/leadership/pres-emeritus.htmlFisher is one of the highest paid university presidents in the United States.[1][2] He earned $2,120,091 in 2016 [since retired 2021]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Fisher_(university_president)Fakeologist has just -Sept 2022 – interviewed Shannon Rowan [not sure if that’s a real name] about varioius subjects and it transpires that her best friend died in the WTC.
https://fakeologist.com/blog/2022/09/22/fak618-shannon-rowan/#comment-40333The ‘victim’ Adam Shelby White has much back story and an above average volume of tributes and associated stories, a few of them surrounding his fraternity and degree at Boulder Colorado, where his degree [1996] was in Environmental Science.
Chandler “Chad” Keller (Aero’93), Leslie Whittington Falkenburg (MEcon’87; PhD’89), Christopher Faughnan (Fin’86), Adam Shelby White (EnvSt’96), Scott Thomas Coleman (Hist’93),
— Forever Buffs ? (@CUBoulderAlumni) September 11, 2021
Video – from his North Atlanta HS graduation in 1992
https://www.facebook.com/groups/100600253338126/posts/3517720751626042/Mark Bingham was from the same Chi-Psi fraternity
On this date 20 years ago, Chi Psi lost four Brothers in the 9/11 attacks: Michael A. Tanner, ? '79, Cmdr. Robert A. Schlegel, O? '85, Mark K. Bingham, ?? '93, and Adam S. White, ?? '96.
Today, we remember and honor them, and the rest who passed away on that day. pic.twitter.com/D7wlnQAkUG
— Chi Psi Fraternity (@ChiPsiTweets) September 11, 2021
Apparently he also attended a HS in Maryland for a short time at Dulaney
https://obits.ocregister.com/us/obituaries/orangecounty/name/adam-white-obituary?pid=118295The following link gives the best background to Adam’s life, his father, mother Georgia White, stepmother, since age 4, Melissa Turnage of Cockeysville MD [the Maryland connection], his life in Atlanta and names his girlfriend Kelly Fisher
Whether his degree in Biogeochemistry was compatible with trading at Cantor Fitzgerald I have no idea.
Eric Karlstrom makes some interesting links between the CF CO2e.com department headed by the “late” Carlton Bartels and the Global Warming scamA tie-in between operation 9/11 and the global warming fraud?
who “invented and held the patent on the computer-based system for simulated automated carbon trading. Bartels was operating this simulated game; it is alleged that his simulation administrator codes were stolen and the game was hacked into, which took the game from a simulation to a live game. Significantly, Bartels had also participated in a “greenhouse gas emissions trading simulation” hosted by Climate Change Central in Calgary, Alberta on September 5-6, 2001.”
White had allegedly worked in Bartels’ CO2e.com department for 18 months and had just returned from Frankfurt a few days prior to 9/11. [op cit]
They just won’t leave the moon rocks alone – anything to give credence to the moon landings. Since nobody went to the moon, they’re all fake.
June 24 2022
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/jun/24/nasa-halts-auction-moon-dust-cockroaches-apollo-11Nasa halts auction of moon dust and cockroaches expected to sell for $400,000
Space agency says daughter of entomologist sold samples from 1969 Apollo 11 mission that belonged to Nasa…suuuuure. The cockroaches were allegedly sent in to see how they fared on a diet of moon “rock”.
The fake Shanksville style Tarom flight 371 “crash” outside Bucharest at Balote?ti (Near Otopeni Airport] on March 31 1995
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAROM_Flight_371
Plane YR-LCC, Airbus 310-324 had only been aquired second-hand the previous yeqr, one of a trio of which the other two were delivered new. YCC was ex-PanAm and Delta….new in 1987. HmmmIt seems likely this “crash” was a test event to see if the almost total disappearance of a plane at a “crash” site would be credible, as indeed Shanksville was on 9/11 and still is…
The flight was returning to Brussels. There were 33 Belgian “victims” reported immediately after the event
https://www.lesoir.be/art/l-a-310-bucarest-bruxelles-desintegre-33-victimes-belge_t-19950401-Z09C2Z.htmlwhich were reduced to 32 on the wiki page. In total 60, including 11 flight crew, initially reported as 10 -as if they didn’t know how many crew were on board…
There are only a couple of very indistinct photos available of the standard memorial in Romania, and the only news site online which lists the “victims” is behind a pay wall. How odd.
“It looks as if it never existed,” Interior Minister Doru Ioan Taracila said after surveying the charred wreckage strewn about a potato field. “There’s nothing left of it.”
The Romanian transport minister had been on a visit to London at the time…..hmmmm
The American victims were identified as Terry Chung, a Treasury Department official; and the Rev. Norman Hoyt and his wife, Virginia, Mstrong>both 67, of Columbia, S.C.
Mrs. Chung had been working as an adviser to the Romanian central bank since Jan. 10, the United States Embassy said. Her hometown was not immediately available.
The Hoyts had been in Romania for three weeks of missionary work, according to officials at Columbia International University, where both worked.
….civil aviation official, Razvan Berea, said that because debris was scattered over a relatively small area, the plane probably exploded either close to the ground or on impact.
Another hoax marker is the use of DNA to identify bodies… eg. this report 5 months later. This work was done in Belgium and ….England.
https://www.lesoir.be/art/%252Fcatastrophe_t-19950915-Z0A13U.html
[translated]Examination of the genetic characteristics (DNA) of the victims of the “Tarom” plane crash on March 31 in Romania has again made it possible to identify the bodies of five people, the Belgian Ministry of Interior. These are the remains of Georges Rousseau, Inge Nackaerts, Dimitru Georgescu, Francine Vergult and Marie-Josée De Herde. The bodies were repatriated to Belgium yesterday afternoon in the presence of the Secretary of State for Security, Jan Peeters. According to the ministry, there are still two bodies of disaster victims to be identified, as the DNA examination has not yet been completed.
some more victims here
https://jurnalul.ro/special-jurnalul/munca-si-daruire-la-identificare-121073.html
Commander Ilie B?t?noiu, 46, had extensive experience. Co-pilot Ionel Stoi, 48, had previous flight experience on IL-62 aircraft as an instructor commander.The flight attendants Adriana Orneang?, Viorica B?l?nescu, Dalia Bucur, Simona Carmen Istodor, Livia Carmen Munteanu, Doina Jurcovan and Lucre?ia Pop, chief of cabin, and the security team, consisting of Constantin Buz? and George Stâng?, also disappeared with them. Among the foreign passengers on board were the consul of the Belgian Embassy in Bucharest, Van Den Ameele, the secretary of the Belgian ambassador in Bucharest, Kathleen Hochart….
names inscribed on the memorial: Marc De Baere, Doina Blaj Borde, Daria Michaela Bucur, Arel De Cauwer, Terri C. Chung, Stefan Dejoncker, Regis Dieu, Serge de Dree, Marie Jose Deherde, Michel Duffaut, Dumitra Dumitrescu, Sacha Fouarge, Chantal Geets, Dumitru Georgescu, Dan Andre Giurgiu, Jaques Gotlib, Benny Govaert, Maria Laura Hap Turcanu, Maricica Hap Turcanu, Frank Heyse, Kathlfen Hochart, Norman A. Hoyt, Virginia J. Hoyt, Georges Kerkhof, Barend LMA Kerstens, Didier Louche, Camelia Cristina Mih?ilescu, Henri Minkowski, Sorin Vasile Must??ea, Inge Nackaerts, Gustave Nottebaert, Florentina Mihaela Popescu, Georges Rousseaux, Naree Rousseaux, Ionu? Staicu, Mark Anthony Stephenson, Jean Francois De Stepkowski, Joelle Thiran, Michelle Van Den Amel, Ray C. Van Heusden, Albert Van Ham, Eric Van Looy, Dimitri Verdood, Francine Vergult, Jean Van Hoop and Johnny Werbrouck.
After days of research, forensic scientists who had worked side by side with prosecutors had been able to identify most of the human fragments. However, there were about 300 kg of remains of the victims that no method of forensic investigation had been able to attribute to any of the people on board the crashed plane. So American, Belgian and Romanian officials decided in Brussels that unidentified human fragments should be cremated. It was decided, however, that the ashes would be deposited in the ballot box at Balote?ti, where the monument marking the site of the tragedy was to be erected. On March 7, 1996, the 112 packages containing the remains not attributed to the victims were cremated at the Vitan-Bârze?ti Human Crematorium. The ashes were buried at the scene of the accident, exactly one year after the plane crashed, during the official commemoration procession.
The official crash simulation report
https://www.baaa-acro.com/crash/crash-airbus-a310-324-bucharest-60-killedAP news report of [very little] debris spread over a wide area…
The still photos available are Lockerbie 1988 carbon copies.
It seems that tributes to “lost loved ones” seem to have petered out in 2021, the 20th anniversary.
For example – no facebook comments from the then wife and children and other relatives** of John C Moran.
Louise is now describing herself as ‘divorced’ although husband is still ‘married’… Fb posts have dried up and she’s resigned from the Osteopathy practice
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/5TrYgA7WTp4JibBig_de3Di_Fsg/appointments
https://www.facebook.com/people/Louise-Moran-Wilson-Smith/100008252580388
https://www.facebook.com/aws2866
Louise is fb friends with ** John Moran’s brother’s family, although brother Kevin has apparently disappeared.
Louise’s parents were quoted in the MSM in 2002 on the first anniversary, although they seem to have forgotten about ‘the tragedy’ more recently
https://www.facebook.com/tony.greene.581187
https://www.facebook.com/tony.greene.73157https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/uk-victims-remember-loved-ones-1976307
Another relative at [St Paul’s] cathedral, Tony Greene, said, “September 11 was so public. The TV report was so graphic and perpetual and ongoing. Those pictures … seeing them over and over creates a lot of grief for the families. They are very difficult and emotional and traumatic.”
Tony Greene’s son-in-law John Moran had travelled to New York to give a lecture, a few days before his eldest son’s eighth birthday.Mr Moran, 37, had left behind his wife Louise in Surrey with their two year-old daughter and sons aged six and seven, and flown to the US with his company, accountancy firm Accenture. He was on the 106th floor when the terrorists struck.
Mr Greene said, “We had been out to London to get a new bed all day and hadn’t seen the news.
“My wife and daughter *** switched on the telly and we watched. We were hoping he wasn’t in there. But of course, he was.”
** actually his children were 6, 5 and 1 at 9/11. The journalist must be quoting their ages on 9/11/2002
*** https://www.facebook.com/charlotte.lavery.37
no mention of 9/11 anywhere. ditto another daughterMore strange tales from the deep – the Battle of Coronel [off Chile] in 1914 in which the Royal Navy engagd the German East Asia Cruiser Squadron which included the Scharnhorst and Gneisenau.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Coronel1660 killed, 2 armoured cruisers sunk, 1 light cruiser damaged
All British. Allegedly only three injured on the German side.
Sunk ships – HMS Good Hope and HMS Monmouth Damaged – HMS Glasgow Also present Merchant cruiser HMS Otranto
From wiki:Monmouth was first to be silenced. Good Hope continued firing, continuing to close on the German ships and receiving more and more fire. By 19:50, she had also ceased firing; subsequently her forward section exploded, then she broke apart and sank, with no one witness to the sinking.
Scharnhorst switched her fire to Monmouth, while Gneisenau joined Leipzig and Dresden which had been engaging Glasgow. The German light cruisers had only 10.5 cm (4 in) guns, which had left Glasgow almost unscathed, but these were now joined by the 21 cm (8 in) guns of Gneisenau. John Luce, captain of Glasgow, determined that nothing would be gained by staying and attempting to fight. It was noticed that each time he fired, the flash of his guns was used by the Germans to aim a new salvo, so he also ceased firing. One compartment of the ship was flooded but she could still manage 24 kn (28 mph; 44 km/h). He returned first to Monmouth, which was now dark but still afloat. Nothing was to be done for the ship, which was sinking slowly but would attempt to beach on the Chilean coast. Glasgow turned south and departed..
Good Hope was sunk with all hands, a total of 926 officers and ratings.[21] Four of the midshipmen aboard the ship were the first casualties of the newly formed Royal Canadian Navy.[22]
Monmouth capsized at 21:58, taking her entire crew of 734 men with her as the seas were too rough to attempt any rescue effort
This was Britain’s first naval defeat since the Battle of Lake Champlain in the War of 1812
And we have a lucky escape! [or an unlucky transfer]
Sir Christopher “Kit” Cradock commanding the Good Hope only transferred shortly before the battle from another ship, HMS Suffolkin Halifax, Canada, transferred his flag to her because she was faster than Suffolk.
ood Hope arrived at Halifax on 14 August, and on 15 August met Suffolk at sea. Captain Bentinck J. D. Yelverton transferred to Suffolk, and Cradock, his staff, and his Flag Captain, Captain Philip Francklin, transferred to Good Hope, which then sailed for BermudaAlso the captain Philip Francklin also had an unlucky transfer to the Good Hope on August 19 1914, his predecessor was Bentinck Yelverton
http://www.dreadnoughtproject.org/tfs/index.php/Philip_FrancklinLucky survivor Yelverton lived until 1959 in Bookham, dying aged 94, but without Wiki page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Cradock
http://www.dreadnoughtproject.org/tfs/index.php/Bentinck_John_Davies_Yelverton
http://www.dreadnoughtproject.org/tfs/index.php/Christopher_George_Francis_Maurice_Cradock
Cradock never married, but kept a dog which accompanied him at sea
There is a huge memorial to him in York Minster.Another [gunnery] officer I came across by accident, Percival van Straubenzee, was one of the 1660 who also transferred from HMS Suffolk:
http://www.dreadnoughtproject.org/tfs/index.php/Percival_van_StraubenzeeFate of the Otranto:
on the evening of 1 October 1918, the ship accidentally rammed the French fishing schooner Croisine off Newfoundland while the latter was returning home to St. Malo with a full load of cod…. The following day, the first death from the influenza pandemic occurred and the soldier was buried at sea…
after crossing the Atlantic..
Otranto’s Officer of the Watch thought that it was the Irish coast [not Scotland, lol!] and turned north. HMS Kashmir, another liner turned troopship, was only about a half-mile (0.80 km) to Otranto’s north and the turns placed them on a collision course. Both ships attempted to avoid the collision, but their efforts cancelled out and Kashmir rammed Otranto on the port side amidships, a few miles off the rocky coast of Islay
Easy to do…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_OtrantoAbout three hours after the collision, a large wave dropped Otranto onto “Old Women’s Reef”, about three-quarters of a mile (1.2 km) offshore, near the entrance to Machir Bay, missing a sandy beach just north of the reef. The action of the enormous waves quickly broke the ship in half and then ripped her bottom out. Of the roughly 489 men aboard after [destroyer HMS] Mounsey departed ****, only 21 (17 of these were American) were able to successfully swim ashore, although two of these, including one American, later died of their injuries. The islanders were able to rescue some of these men by pulling them up the coastal cliffs or from rocks just offshore. By the following morning, the liner had been completely demolished by the heavy seas and the coastline was strewn with wreckage and hundreds of bodies in piles up to 15 feet (4.6 m) deep ***. A total of 316 Americans were found and buried on Islay and the nearby island of Muck.[25]
*** Really???
elsewhere it is reported that 431 died, despite
**** having rescued 596 of Otranto’s passengers and crew before, with no more room for any more survivors and damaged by impacts with the side of the troopship, was forced to break off the rescue attempts and make for port.
Is any of this catalogue of buffoonery credible?
The sinking of HMS Hood in remote waters between Iceland and Greenland. Allegedly sunk by the Bismarck. 80th anniversary time in 2021.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Hood
The largest RN ship sunk and biggest loss of Naval life
Clues: old ship, built 1918.
Sunk, allegedly in 3 minutes. Two “inquries” to produce the official explosion narrative yet allowing various theories to remain through the decades. **
http://www.hmshood.com/crew/memorial/roh_24may41.htm
1418 crew, 1415 victims. => the convenient 3 survivors to tell the story
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Briggs
Albert Edward Pryke Briggs, MBE 1923-2008
http://www.hmshood.com/crew/biography/tedbriggs_bio.htmTed continued to lead a very active life. He remained a sought-after guest speaker for television documentaries and radio programmes. He even visited the wreck site in July 2001, releasing the Roll of Honour plaque which memorialises his fallen shipmates and the Mighty Hood.
From Wiki…
Briggs himself attempted to swim away from the vessel but was pulled under by her as she started toward the ocean bottom. Briggs remembers struggling to stay afloat, giving up hope, and then miraculously being propelled to the surface. This was probably the result of air escaping from the ship, possibly the bridge windows collapsing and releasing trapped air, or a boiler explosion
The wreck was “discovered” in 2001 for the 60th anniversary and a TV program commissioned. The next year, the site became a protected ‘war grave’. In 2012 permission was given for the same search team to recover the ship’s bell…..but this only succeeded in 2015….
The other survivors – Robert Ernest Tilburn
https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/80011489 [audio, 30 mins]
http://www.hmshood.com/crew/biography/bobtilburn_bio.htmand William John Dundas
http://www.hmshood.com/crew/biography/wjdundas_bio.htmWhy did it “blow up”?
The Loss of HMS Hood – But why did it blow up??
**the exact reason the magazines detonated is likely to remain unknown since that area of the ship was destroyed in the explosion. Ideal.A little gem from 2007, undiscovered until now, the death of Rally driver from Scotland, Colin McRae
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_McRae
…so badly damaged that they didn’t know how many “bodies” were in the helicopter.Let’s see – same old minuscule pile of scrap metal surrounded by dense undergrowth.
Very few photos exist, in various crops and qualities.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/colin-mcrae-to-blame-for-avoidable-helicopter-186214McRae moved to Monaco [as one does] but returned to Scotland in 1995. He had a daughter Hollie Jane b 1998
Colin McRae to blame for ‘avoidable’ helicopter crash death
The death of former world rallying champion Colin McRae and three others in a helicopter crash in 2007 could have been avoided, a sheriff at Lanark Sheriff Court ruled today.McRae, 39, his five-year-old son Johnny, the boy’s six-year-old friend Ben Porcelli and Graeme Duncan, 37, all died when the aircraft came down near McRae’s home in Lanark on September 15 2007 as he flew home from a trip to see a friend.
One of the crash victims, Mr Duncan, filmed much of the outbound and return flights on his personal camcorder and some of the footage was recovered and included in the inquiry hearings.
Well, fancy that, how convenient, and it miraculously survived the “crash”.
Who else can support the shaky narrative? Why, one of our police force, Sgt Robert Logan who…
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/cop-recounts-gruesome-scene-details-1093309Logan,43, said: “I arrived with colleagues but I told them to stay back at first in case there was an explosion.
“It was quite evident there would be no survivors from the accident.
“There was a fire still in progress and I could see a leg coming out of the left hand side of the helicopter.
“There was a tanned boot on it and there was no movement on it whatsoever.”
Sgt Logan also told how he had later seen a foot sticking out of the right hand side of the chopper.
He also said a firefighter had found a pilot’s licence bearing rally champ McRae’s name in the debris.sure thing, Sergeant. Anyone else? Call Doctor Gerard Murphy, 50
Murphy, 50, said he had been called to the scene to confirm there had been fatalities.
He said: “I saw the tail section of a helicopter in trees and the burning remains of the helicopter cockpit.
“There appeared to be the remains of the pilot and co-pilot and a small shoe was in the ash. It was still smouldering, it was still hot.”sure thing, Doc.
Last word from the final safe pair of hands, the forensic pathologistForensic pathologist John Clark said that McRae, his son Johnny and Ben Porcelli had all died of head injuries, while Graeme had been killed by a chest injury.
Dr Clark concluded that all the deaths would have been “extremely rapid”.
Naturally. Can anyone believe that there was any helicopter crash here?
Footnote [from wiki] Colin [Steele Mcrae] and his 5 year old son [John Gavin] were cremated in the same casket. Really. Very, very green and sustainable.
Notes:
m 1997 Alison Jane Hamilton.
Ben Telfer Porcelli b 2001
Graeme Arthur Duncan – age 36 or 37. b 1970four years went into preparation of the inquiry, with 71 witnesses called [not all eye-witnesses, lol!] which neatly occurred in woods adjacent to McRae’s house, Jerviswood.
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=7c3c87a6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7Amusing sections from the inquiry
Further delay was occasioned when, as a result of concern voiced that eye witness accounts given in court may have differed in important areas from statements given to Air Accident Investigation Branch (AAIB) investigators…An extensive post-accident fire consumed a large part of the aircraft structure…..The video ends approximately 1.119 km from the landing site, 55 seconds from impact….
and so it continued, you’d have needed 4 years to cook all that up, another feast for the lawyers.
Contemporary reports from the BBC, 2007
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/6999354.stm
-key witness, his fatherpresence of Mr Duncan who lives in rural France
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7017053.stm
Mr Duncan, an agricultural engineer, had returned from France to be the best man at a friend’s wedding.He had moved there with wife, Jennifer, to help run a farm in the Faycelles area with his parents, James and Helen, who are retired vets.
Funeral of friend Ben
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7010034.stmPrivate single casket funeral for Colin and Johnny
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7012907.stmMore from rent-a-quote NF Johnson
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/covid-19-vaccines-face-varied-powerful-misinformation-movement-online-n1249378
November 30 2020Covid-19 vaccines face a varied and powerful misinformation movement online
“The anti-vaccination network is all about passing on narratives, passing on stories, supporting each other, just like an insurgency,” Johnson said. “And just like an insurgency, it is embedded with the mainstream civilian population as it were. And that is their strength.”
The Coronahoax disinformation gatekeepers
Get Ready for a Vaccine Information War
Social media is already filling up with misinformation about a Covid-19 vaccine, months or years before one even exists.
straignt out of the pandemic simulation playbook – May 13 2020I wanted to understand if my fears about a vaccine-related information war were valid, so I reached out to Neil Johnson and Rhys Leahy, two researchers at George Washington University. On Wednesday, their study of the online anti-vaccine movement was published in the science journal Nature.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2281-1Click to access s41586-020-2281-1.pdf
The online competition between pro- and anti-vaccination views
To recover from this pandemic, we need to mobilize a pro-vaccine movement that is as devoted, as internet-savvy and as compelling as the anti-vaccine movement is for its adherents. We need to do it quickly, with all the creativity and urgency of the scientists who are developing the vaccine itself. Millions of lives and trillions of dollars in economic activity may depend not just on producing a vaccine, but on persuading people to accept it
Remember this is May 2020, 16 months prior to my writing this… all the reasons to avoid the jab – travel, lack of trials and Gates connections were previewed in this NYT piece of predictive programming and anyone against what we are up against in September 2021 was a conspeeeracee theeeeorist to be countered.
it concluded:
when the time comes to persuade billions of people to take a critical coronavirus vaccine, our public health officials and social media companies will be outgunned by a well-oiled anti-vaccine movement that has already polluted the air with misinformation and conspiracy theories.
The Neil F Johnson Nature article just happened to be published the same day as the NYT piece, as if the latter were all ready to go…
Distrust in scientific expertise is dangerous…..Opposition to vaccination with a future vaccine against SARS-CoV-2, the causal agent of COVID-19, for example, could amplify outbreaks, as happened for measles in 2019 starts off the Johnson paper, a study of facebook users’ posts
What is interesting….
Received >08 January 2020
Accepted 07 April 2020 Published 13 May 2020as if they knew….
That wasn’t the end of Johnson’s research…
June 15 2021 [Received November 17 2020, Accepted April 26 2021 – a very long period of review…..
Online hate network spreads malicious COVID-19 content outside the control of individual social media platforms
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-89467-yWe show that malicious COVID-19 content, including racism, disinformation, and misinformation, exploits the multiverse of online hate to spread quickly beyond the control of any individual social media platform. We provide a first mapping of the online hate network across six major social media platforms. We demonstrate how malicious content can travel across this network in ways that subvert platform moderation efforts
A very interesting diversion for what is supposed to be one of the world’s most prestigious scientific pubvlications.
One more interview with Janice – Sky news on camera [spot the dry eye rubbing]
https://news.sky.com/video/9-11-anniversary-uk-survivor-recalls-the-day-that-shifted-her-world-12403046A second “victim” Oli Bennett is remembered by her comfortably-off sounding mother.
Oliver Duncan Bennett worked for Risk Waters which allegedly had a conference at Windows on the World…. but no, “Oli” was working in the south tower.His mother Joy reckons he was 29, but the Guardian in 2002 said he was 32. Big difference.
https://www.risk.net/comment/7869961/oliver-bennett
Joy** (mother) [GP Doctor] Adrian (father) and Justin (brother) Bennett.http://www.legacy.com/sept11/story.aspx?personid=132593
He planned to quit journalism in a year, at 30, and open a restaurant and bar where conversation would flow easily.
Did he now?
Although Peter Field, chairman and CEO of Risk Waters, in his long, rambling narrative to account for his “lost” staff that day, says that Oli was indeed at the conference.
https://www.risk.net/people/1506589/remembering-september-11-the-day-ill-never-forget
Updated for 2021
https://www.risk.net/comment/7869951/911-the-colleagues-we-lost-and-the-years-that-followed
https://www.risk.net/comment/7871711/in-memoriamsome have new pen portraits written by relatives for 2021, and there are many new photos which have “emerged” e.g.
https://www.risk.net/comment/7873916/karlie-rogers
https://www.risk.net/comment/7874281/sarah-ali
https://www.risk.net/comment/7873921/neil-cudmoreOh, here’s Joy in 2018
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6339765/Why-9-11-terrorist-walk-free-son-never-come-home.html
Why should 9/11 terrorist walk free when my son will never come home?
suuuuuure. And yes, the birth was registered in 1972.
** actually Brenda Joy
https://www.companydirectorcheck.com/brenda-joy-bennett
The Bennetts were prominent in the media in 2002
https://web.archive.org/web/20130826160444/https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/sep/08/september11.usa2
The Bennetts went to Peru some months after 9/11, like one does.
The Oli Bennett charitable trust was set up in February 2002. Roger Graef OBE, [UA born film maker and theatre director] who wrote the 2002 piece, is still a patron of the charity. Grants are given to divers persons.
https://brokersnavigator.com/person/7JzwG9bp0QDZymgTbb91E68Em-I?q=Adrian%20Bennett&size=n_5_nNot very good photos of Oli on their website. Is that the best the family has??
[2012]
Dr Bennett keeps out of the limelight.In fact Janice has been working overtime re-telling her miraculous story of escape from the 84th floor…
ITV video: -with printed narrative
https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-09-09/dont-look-up-dont-look-back-run-911-survivor-recounts-her-experienceAnother version of the story is at the UK 9/11 “educational” charity “Since 9/11” [formerly 9/11 London Project]
founded by
Peter Rosengard [who] is one of Britain’s leading Life Insurance salesmenGood Morning Britain, where all good hoaxes are cemented. She does love the “dull thud” and the magic, secret door. Looks like green screen with a photo of the garden view of her new Norfolk abode.
It’s a well rehearsed story, dating back to 2002
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-136382/9-11–Survivors-Twin-Towers.htmlHer boss, the CEO Gilbert “Gil” D Scharf and the CFO [according to Janice] Keith Riehl *** just happened, allegedly, to be in London on 9/11..
Actually Riehl was the Chief Operating Officer, having been CEO in the fake 1993 attack.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/keith-reihl-46643141Back in 2018 Janice recited the script for the Imperial War Museum in London:
She says she was tasked with preparing a book of all the alleged 61 Eurobrokers “victims”. Janice says she took some of the photos…. certainly that of Manish PAtel [or Susan Pollio] is not the one on the legacy site.
She references Daniel L “Dan” Smith, as usual, whose chubby photo in her book bears no relation to the legacy shot.
http://www.legacy.com/sept11/story.aspx?personid=96062No one knows exactly what happened to Dan. His body was not recovered. Big guy, 6’5?, weight-lifter, vanished from this earth.
When did Dan start working for Eurobrokers? July 2001. What a joke.
Janice was also invited onto BBC Radio 4 [paywall] in September 2021 to repeat the story and talk about “survivor’s guilt”…
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p09vh1w0Also a longer SkyNews podcast Ep 13 of Storycast 21:
https://news.sky.com/story/storycast-21-podcast-series-reliving-biggest-stories-of-last-21-years-12302828
same old routine.*** Keith Riehl is silent on 9/11, but was quoted by the NYT in 1993 as Eurobrokers set up outside the WTC
At Eurobrokers, a money broker at 1 World Trade Center that gives major banks and securities dealers a market for borrowing and lending dollars, the lack of direct phone lines in temporary office space was costing business, said Keith Riehl, chief financial officer, who was answering the phone yesterday at one temporary office in the New York Telephone building at 100 Church Street.
And, bang on time for the 20th anniversary of the psy-op, two more “victims” have been identified by the latest DNA techniques[and an old toothbrush..lol!]. But only one of them is being named…Dorothy Morgan.
Plenty of duping by her daughter and grandson. The daughter even admits to “talking” to her mother all the time [and she’s watching too] Truth in plain speaking.
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