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  • in reply to: Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 #10999
    xileffilex
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    latest on the BS train story from the collaborators at the Guardian
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/22/mh17-train-bodies-victims-arrives-kharkiv

    It was initially thought that the remains would be examined by a team of specialists once they arrived in Kharkiv, where Ukrainian officials said a crisis centre had been prepared to store the remains and hotels were ready to receive relatives. But on Monday, Ukraine’s deputy prime minister, Volodymyr Groysman, said all bodies would be taken to the Netherlands.

    A spokeswoman for a Dutch team of forensic experts on the site in Kharkiv on Tuesday said that the next leg in journey was not expected to happen before Wednesday. It was unclear whether any of the forensic experts from Malaysia and the Netherlands, who arrived in Donetsk over the past two days, accompanied the train into government-controlled territory.

    The five-carriage train, including three refrigerated wagons for the 282 bodies, came to a halt in the grounds of a weapons factory from where the bodies will be unloaded before being flown to the Netherlands. The Dutch prime minister, Mark Rutte, said he expected the first of the bodies to arrive on Wednesday.

    Ukraine has given the Netherlands the lead role in investigating the cause of the crash.

    naturally….what a waste of time all those “dutch experts” going to Donetsk..they could have stayed home.

    another train spotting pic from the media circus

    in reply to: Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 #10839
    xileffilex
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    I think the Lockerbie and Shanksville analogies are good. Some Flight 93 images are here
    http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/P200060.jpg
    look for P200057 to P200064
    I don’t think a credible victim list is a big problem. Already warning bells are sounding – two great guys, Newcastle football fans…some biographies have “emerged” very quickly.

    in reply to: Lockerbie images 1988 #10751
    xileffilex
    Participant

    nice comparison, Tom. Wonder how they made that huge hole at Lockerbie. They were well ahead of the curve in 1988. 26 years later, it must be so easy.

    in reply to: Lockerbie images 1988 #10739
    xileffilex
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    A shill like poster at Icke has just alerted me to a back story website to propagate the Lockerbie myth.
    http://plane-truth.com/Aoude/geocities/victim2.html
    the following topics are in the main text.

    http://plane-truth.com/Aoude/geocities/victim.html

    as with 9/11 …all those lucky survival stories. hmmmm

    oh, the newish Icke poster, busily commenting on a wide range or subjects as they all do to bump up credibilty. Guess what, his wife was a radiologist ex-raying bodies in ~~Lockerbie ice rink. right…..
    http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1062165155&postcount=317

    some new photos in the above site.They shout out psy-op loudly. eg


    standard crash psy-op photo




    where’s the plane?



    http://plane-truth.com/Aoude/geocities/ramsden.jpg

    in reply to: Shills, dupes, ass-clowns or other??? #10738
    xileffilex
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    what’s the problem, Joey? They are all filed in one pigeon hole – well paid liars.

    in reply to: Lockerbie images 1988 #10510
    xileffilex
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    The big give away was that “Maid of the Seas” was so nicely visible in that segment of the fuselage dumped in some remote part of Southern Scotland – they tend to do this with faked helicopter crashes – neat segments bearing the serial number are placed for the eager photojournalists. Where WAS the plane in those Lockerbie pics? That estate looked like it had been cleared for demolition previously.

    here’s a better quality photo of the terrace with what looks like gas/bomb blast damage:

    all that moss on the roof – was it inhabited?

    in reply to: Lockerbie images 1988 #10487
    xileffilex
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    Same old photo used here for the hoax – is that all they have?
    http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2008/07/iran-to-be-framed-for-lockerbie-did-cia.html

    interesting talk of bodies. Who saw them?

    Tom Dalyell, a member of British Parliament, stated: “…Absolutely swarms of Americans [were] fiddling with the bodies, and shall we say tampering with those things the police were carefully checking themselves. They weren’t pretending, saying they were from the FBI or CIA, they were just ‘Americans’ who seemed to arrive very quickly on the scene.”

    Dalyell recalled: “It was… odd and strange that so many people should be involved in moving bodies, looking at luggage, who were not members of the investigating force. What were they looking for so carefully? You know, this was not just searching carefully for loved ones. It was far more than that. It was careful examination of luggage and indeed bodies.” [1027]

    Dr. David Fieldhouse, the local police surgeon, identified Major McKee’s body. “I knew that [the identification of] McKee was absolutely correct because of the clothing which correlated closely with the other reports and statements, and the computers that were linked up to Washington.” [1028]

    Jim Wilson, local farmer, told relatives of Pan Am victims that he was present “when the drugs were found.” Wilson discovered a suitcase packed with heroin in one of his fields.

    When everyone is probably telling lies, what can one analyses? Not much.

    This is a good image:

    http://www.inquisitr.com/1069815/lockerbie-bombing-25th-anniversary-marked-by-remembrance-ceremonies-in-us-uk/

    in reply to: Deaths on 911? #10476
    xileffilex
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    I’ll have a peep, smj. The usual baloney story from the mom. I don’t believe a word of it.

    “I know I’m meant to be part of something really, really big” – Welles to his mom, Labor Day 9/3 2001

    Indeed. New id no doubt.

    see also

    Part time firefighter, allegedly, and also a job on the 104th floor with Sandler O’Neill, allegedly. An ideal actor for the role.

    I’ll have a look.

    Ref: the “official biography” of renaissence man, Welles. So much crammed in, makes me feel quite inadequate in comparison.
    http://www.crowthertrust.org/welles_story.htm

    in reply to: Yvonne Fletcher #10322
    xileffilex
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    £73K is a tidy sum to have been sunk by a 25 year old police constable in 1984, estimated to be just south of £200K today. [the block of flats is in Eastcote, not Grove avenue…]
    sold in 1995 for £52.5K…124K in 2002.

    There is no onlne detail about Yvonne’s early police career apart from joining the MPS in 1977. Or even any career before that.She is described, without reference, as the shortest police officer in the Met.

    Tiny in stature but big in character, the 5ft 2in West Country girl was by rights far too short to join the Met. But when she was interviewed her enthusiasm shone through, so they bent the rules — and London had its smallest policewoman.

    Within a few years, she had proved her worth as one of the force’s new community officers, and liked nothing better than to help people of all colours and creeds to live harmoniously on the fast-changing streets of her West End of London beat.

    now,”emerging” in January 14 2014:

    At 9.30am that damp Wednesday morning, when she and her habitual partner, 29-year-old PC John Murray, took their place at the barriers surrounding the embassy…
    … knelt to comfort her, and she was clearly badly hurt because she was mumbling and could barely move.

    ‘But even as I helped two colleagues carry her out of the square I didn’t realise she had been shot because, oddly, there was no blood on her uniform.’

    When, at last, the grim truth dawned — that his partner had been shot by a fanatical Gaddafi henchman, who had also wounded 11 demonstrators as he sprayed machine-gun fire from a first-floor window — PC Murray made her a whispered vow.

    Cradling her into the folds of his blue serge jacket as they waited for the ambulance, he told her: ‘I don’t know who has done this to you, but whoever it was, I’ll get them, no matter how long it takes.’

    It was a pledge he repeated ten days later, this time when placing a farewell kiss on WPC Fletcher’s brow as she lay in her open coffin.

    Just 25 years old, and shortly to be married to another police officer, who had been stationed on the far side of the embassy that day

    Spurred by the guilty belief that it ought to have been he who took the fatal bullet — because he and WPC Fletcher had swapped places on the barriers out of boredom moments before she was hit — he has spent three decades attempting to track down the killer himself.

    sounds like another Daily Mail limited hangout…totally unbelievable story about GCHQ bungling…and Murray

    He has spent his £50,000 life savings on trips to Libya (where he has developed a network of sympathetic contacts in the post-Gaddafi regime) and legal fees.

    When Tony Blair took office and sickeningly began courting Gaddafi, Mr Murray paid a lawyer £9,500 to explore the possibility of a private prosecution against the Labour leader alleging malfeasance in public office, but was advised against it.

    …like you do…..

    Yet this week’s revelations have so profoundly disturbed the policewoman’s sister, Debbie,[pictured] who was 12 when she died, that she gave a rare interview to the Daily Mail.

    Funny, I thought the youger of the two sisters [plural] was called Sarah and would have been 17…

    something wrong there. Oh, and the father is named as Tim.

    Mr Fletcher runs a sawmill, stll in business.
    https://www.duedil.com//company/05796958/garrett-and-fletcher-limited

    PS so now we have another PC, Murray enter the frame…so who is the thigh stroking Sergant?

    in reply to: Yvonne Fletcher #10303
    xileffilex
    Participant

    administration granted Wichester July 9 1984, [died 17 April 1984]
    £73,823; lived at the time at 1 Sherwood Court, Grove Avenue, South Harrow. Once there’s a death certificate, off it goes..

    while we’re here, the fiance was PC Michael Liddle, [image 1 above] perhaps, with the helmet.

    Television cameras recorded an appalling scene. The officer lay dying in a no-man’s land on the street outside the building as colleagues, including her fiance, PC Michael Liddle, tried desperately to help her.

    They carried her away, leaving her police helmet on the spot where she fell after being cut down by single shot. The helmet, abandoned on the ground for days after the tragedy, became a powerful image.

    During the ambulance journey to Westminster hospital, she said: “It is hurting me in the stomach.” She died on the operating table, 15 minutes after arriving at the hospital.

    Mourners packed Salisbury Cathedral for Fletcher’s funeral 10 days after the shooting. Her abandoned police helmet was placed on top of her coffin.

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/mar/25/libya.world
    25 March 2004

    Strangely, she is quoted as being from Semley, near Shaftsbury, Dorset –

    http://newspaperarchive.com/us/new-mexico/santa-fe/santa-fe-new-mexican/1984/04-28/page-6

    Chief superintendent Bryan West, her commander, said in his eulogy that Fletcher was “one of my best officers”

    Later, Fletcher’s body was cremated in a private ceremony

    present as one would expect were her parents, Tom and Queenie Fletcher.
    I see no further reference to any police career of “Michael Liddle”

    April 17 2014…
    The Revd Jonathan Osborne, Senior Chaplain at the Metropolitan Police Service escort family and friends including Tim and Queenie Fletcher ta a memorial service for the murdered Police woman Yvonne Fletcher in St James’ Square on April 17, 2014 in London, England. Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police joined friends and family for the service which marked the 25th anniversary of her death [April 16, 2014] [don’t they mean the 30th anniversary??]


    Sisters of Yvonne Fletcher Heather Aldbrook (L), Sarah Parson (C L) and parents Tim and Queenie Fletcher lay a wreath during a memorial service for the murdered Police woman Yvonne Fletcher in St James’ Square on April 17, 2014 in London
    http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/3ctNoDA3g3d/Yvonne+Fletcher+Death+Remembered+London/7PyMKQ9h7BE/Tim+Fletcher

    he used to be Tom,now he’s Tim. Yet in the marriage..and 192.com, he’s Michael HJ Fletcher, married Queenie M Troake [mother’s name given as Troke [sic] in records,not Troake] 4th quarter 1955, Winchester.

    [Heather J b 1961, Yvonne Joyce b 1958, aged 25 in 1984,Sarah M b.1966] both parents born 1933.
    http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1946&dat=19840418&id=XJEjAAAAIBAJ&sjid=jqUFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2444,3740722
    witness Richard Bowden, 31 who once worked in Saudi Arabia “There were no screams, people just started falling”

    The mysterious Michael Liddle intrigues me.

    xileffilex
    Participant

    The big documentand photo reference dump is here: [again suspicious in itself, as if to reinforce the offcial narratve]
    Links

    just a few tasters..

    no context at all….could be anywhere..

    the bild zeitung video shows nothing really…
    http://www.bild.de/news/2010/duisburg/tote-und-verletzte-13410730.bild.html

    25.07.2010 – 20:39 Uhr

    1,4 Millionen Techno-Raver tanzten ausgelassen auf der Loveparade in Duisburg. Plötzlich Gedränge – und dann die Massenpanik. Das Ausmaß der Katastrophe wird immer schlimmer: Mindestens 19 Menschen starben, mehr als 342 wurden verletzt, zahlreiche von ihnen schwer

    http://www.bild.de/news/2010/buergermeister/schreckliche-bilanz-13412606.bild.html

    more inconsequential pics..
    http://bilder.bild.de/fotos-skaliert/gelaender-17099002-mfb-q-13412154/3,w=583,c=0.bild.jpg

    and finally some thigh stroking:

    xileffilex
    Participant

    There’s plenty of kilometerage left in this fishy case… First off, just look at the photo: no panic, people taking mobile phone pictures…people casually smoking.. who’s the big boy up front?

    a bit later…

    hmmmmm

    the number of dead rose from 19 through 20 to 21.
    Forward to
    july 24 2013..
    http://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama/loveparade-in-duisburg-die-vermeidbare-katastrophe-1.1680573

    note the involvement in the process here of “G. Keith Still, Professor for Crowd Science at the International Centre for Crowd Management and Security Studies”.

    google translate:

    The British expert would still play a central role in the process. He had written a first report in December 2011, setting out the 20 pages that the Love Parade had to end in disaster, that they should never have been approved. In March 2013 Still has now refilled detail once again, the Version 3.15 of its investigations are a key building block for investigators: On now almost 90 pages rises Still – without calling them by name – serious allegations against officials of the city of Duisburg and the organizer Lopavent

    note, he used
    computational methods

    The disaster at the Love Parade has often been described as a mass panic… Ultimately, no one knew exactly how many people were on the premises.

    which panic and the numbers bandied about, 250,000, 1,000,000 ,or even 1,400,000 of course,are nowhere visible.

    from t-online July 25 2010
    http://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/specials/id_42359438/massenpanik-in-duisburg-20-tote-bei-loveparade.html

    “With Towels covered dead woman lying in front of the tunnel at the entrance to the Love Parade, where the mass panic occurred. The forces are stunned.”

    As a result of a stampede in a tunnel before the event grounds died on Saturday afternoon after police said 20 people, more than 342 others were injured, a police spokesman said early Sunday morning…..unbearable crowds….Even Police Chief Inspector Jürgen Kiesemper called the situation “very messy”. “We still have to clear up what was there.”…immediately before the message about the stampede, police had reported the event site was closed due to overcrowding. “The police are on speaker advice to participants and ask them to go back to the main station.” More than 2,000 state police officers were on site, Kieskemper further said. An additional 1,200 federal police officers were used.

    Sounds like a hoax good and true. Any names of the dead? Need to look, witness stories….the like.

    in reply to: Yvonne Fletcher #10242
    xileffilex
    Participant
    xileffilex
    Participant

    Appreciated,Tom. There’s much more footage at YT, none of it showing, as far as i have seen it, anything of a crush at all, just some casual hoisting of people up onto the bridge…I still haven’t finshed on the Y-F front btw.

    in reply to: BBC Match of the Day – what's all this then? #10214
    xileffilex
    Participant

    Tom – are you ready to look into the “2010 Duisbury Love Parade disaster”?
    Plenty of footage – but I don’t see anything going on. Fuzzy images, jerked cameras, relaxed people…
    starting point:

    It’s ridiculous. I think you’ll appreciated the imagery at 8.48 et seq…straight out of the Libyan People’s Bureau reciple book.

    Tod im Tunnel….Death in the tunnel….Hmmmm

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/love-parade-tragedy-ill-never-forget-the-sight-of-all-those-twisted-bodies-2035410.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Parade_disaster
    A total of 21 people died, 13 women and eight men, aged between 18 and 38 years. 14 were reported to be Germans, 7 men and 7 women. Among the seven casualties of other nationalities were two Spanish women aged 21 and 22 years, a 38-year-old Chinese woman living in Germany,[18] a 22-year-old man from the Netherlands,[19] a 21-year-old woman from Italy,[20] a 21-year-old woman from Bosnia-Herzegovina, and a 27-year-old woman from Australia.[21][22] Fifteen died at the site, six died in hospital.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26152045

    I came across this through an Australian – Maltese disaster evacuation scientist at Greenwich, Ed Galea, who has, er, studied evacuation of the North Tower WTC…
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/fam.1070/abstract;jsessionid=6A2115B5091A17C5629FDBCD5BD37E8C.f02t03
    . A data elicitation tool designed for the purpose comprised a pre-interview questionnaire followed by a one-to-one interview protocol consisting of free-flow narratives and semi-structured interviews of WTC evacuees.

    This paper briefly describes the methodologies employed in the collection and storage of first-hand accounts of evacuation experiences derived from face-to-face interviews with evacuees from the World Trade Centre (WTC) Twin Towers complex on 11 September 2001 and the development of the High-rise Evacuation Evaluation Database (HEED). The main focus of the paper is to present an overview of the preliminary analysis of data derived from the evacuation of the North Tower with an emphasis on frequency of occupant stoppages on stairs, occupant stair travel speeds and occupant response times. The paper also describes some of the evacuation modelling analyses of the evacuation of the North Tower undertaken as part of project HEED
    Hmmmm

    Duisbury….
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/fam.2214/abstract

    This is relevant to the Hillsborough study.

    Galea also has pronounced on the curious case of the Wilhelm Gutsloff in 1945…the deadliest of all maritime disasters…

    with “eyewitnesses’ recollections”

    in reply to: Deaths on 911? #10200
    xileffilex
    Participant

    Back up for Graham Berkeley
    As noted above, from a legacy comment:

    September 08, 2006
    Thinking of Graham at this time.I was a member of the Shropshire Youth Orchestra which was led by Graham for a while. He also played the Bruch concerto with us. I attended the Royal College of Music with him and have fond memories of our orchestral tour to Russia. We organised a reunion of the orchestra from Graham’s time in the early 80?s, in March 2002. Graham’s parents came along and we all brought old photos of those very happy carefree days. Everytime I see that plane going into the second tower,** I am brought to tears thinking of what was going through Graham’s mind.
    No one can ever take away the memories we have of him and I feel glad to have known him.
    ~
    Val Berry (Perkins),
    Shrewsbury

    Genesreunited:
    Mark W Berry = Valerie Perkins,[b.1966] Shrewsbury 1994.
    Valerie is still involved in music in Okehampton; Mr B is an estate agent
    http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/mark-berry/2b/71b/724
    https://www.facebook.com/valerie.berry2?fref=ufi

    Sooooo, a sound back up story for Graham. But why no recorded birth for him?

    Graham was our second Son, born at Home in Worksop Nottinghamshire but spent his Schooldays in Shropshire when theFamily moved due to his Father?s promotion within the Central Electricity Generating Board.

    [Charles Berkeley, father]

    But no trace of it. Apparently born Jan. 12, 1964
    http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=5788950

    in reply to: Deaths on 911? #10198
    xileffilex
    Participant

    Myra is backed up by Doug Anter.
    Doug Anter checks out at Compuware – eg here in 2008
    http://www.kuppingercole.com/article/fg_covisint_290908

    At the last Digital ID World conference, I bumped into Douglas Anter by sheer luck at the Ping Identity party. He is responsible for Public and Analyst Relations at Compuware, the company that owns Covisint. Whether I would have some time for a briefing, he asked. You bet! I said.
    by Felix Gaehtgens

    In May 2011, Doug was preparing to marry Jacqui Ward at Royal Oak in Michigan.

    Click to access herald_050111.pdf

    Perhaps someone on Twitter can ask Doug more about Myra in view of the virtual nature of the UA flights 11 and 175.

    Not only did Myra not join Compuware until 2000, Doug only was in the firm since November 1999….
    http://www.linkedin.com/in/douganter
    Previously with Marx Layne & Company and Caponigro Public Relations in Michigan. So, how did he know Myra for such a long time, allegedly? “for years”. This is not a convincing back-up story. But hold on a minute, by October 3 2001, he had only known her for a year.(which fits the narratve…)
    http://www.legacy.com/guestbooks/myra-aronson-condolences/91770?page=7&sign=3#sthash.JvpzgNxk.dpbs

    Even though I’ve known Myra for about one year, I really grew to know her much, much better in recent months. It started out by my asking her opinion about, say, the wording I’d used in a news release. The conversation would then quickly move into a strategic discussion about what I was trying to accomplish with the words I chose, the people I was trying to reach, and how best to go about achieving my goal, etc.

    Wow. – /blockquote>

    10 years later, he had known her for years… Hmmmm
    https://www.facebook.com/ThePRman

    Seems Doug didn’t come into contact with Compuware’s “Graham Berkeley”

    As noted previously Nancy Aronson is on the board of directors of families of 9/11. Her husband Jules is the brother of Myra.

    Families of September 11 was represented at the VIIth International Congress of Victims of Terrorism (Congrès International Des Victimes du Terrorisme) in Paris September 15-17th [2011] by FOS11 family, Nancy Aronson and Jules Aronson of Bethesda, Maryland. Mrs. Aronson serves on the FOS 11 Board of Directors.

    http://www.familiesofseptember11.org/news.aspx?s=5

    Jules P Aronson is seen from about 20:35 in this video until about 24:00
    http://www.c-span.org/video/?182819-1/september-11-commission-investigation
    July 22 2004

    The co-founders of the 9/11 Citizens Watch issued a critique of the September 11 Commission’s report released today.

    More back story:

    Myra ARONSON – deceased

    Myra Aronson, 51, of the Charlestown neighborhood of Boston, who was a passenger on American Airlines Flight 11 from Boston, which was the first jet to be crashed into the World Trade Center. Aronson graduated from Ladue Horton Watkins High School in 1968. Evelyn Aronson of Ladue, mother of Myra Aronson, said Monday that she feared from the beginning that her daughter was aboard one of the doomed flights. “I had spoken to her the day before and knew she was flying to LA,” Evelyn Aronson, who still lives in Ladue, said Monday. “I knew she was flying early. As soon as I heard about this, I had a gut feeling that she was on one of those planes.” She said her son, Jules Aronson of Washington, called her that afternoon with word from a friend of Myra Aronson’s in Boston that she had been on Flight 11. She had called the friend just before boarding the Boeing 767 in Boston. The jet was flown into the north tower at 8:48 a.m. (St. Louis time), 18 minutes before a second jet struck the south tower. Myra Aronson was the third of four children of Evelyn and the late Dr. Abraham Aronson of Ladue. After high school, she graduated from Miami University of Ohio then moved to Boston to earn a master’s degree in communications from Boston University. At Ladue, Myra Aronson participated in theater productions, the pep club and student council, and played the oboe in the symphonic and marching bands. Her mother said she had lived in the Boston area since attending graduate school and worked in corporate communications for several companies. At the time of her death, she worked for Compuware Corp., a software company, providing information to trade publications and securities analysts. Evelyn Aronson said her daughter was active in Boston as a volunteer publicist for a choral society and as a volunteer for medical programs that assist AIDS patients. She also was a fitness enthusiast. Myra Aronson, who was single, also is survived by two sisters, Deborah Aronson of St. Louis, and Elyse Van Bremann of Clearwater, Fla. Her parents are natives of Chicago, and the family moved to St. Louis in 1964. Dr. Aronson, who died in 1980, was a psychiatrist on staff at St. Louis University Health Center. [published in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch on Sep 18, 2001]

    http://www.laduealum.com/class1968.html

    in reply to: Deaths on 911? #10175
    xileffilex
    Participant

    Indeed,Tom. Not sure of the timeone – it might be even earlier – Compuware was based in Detroit, and is.Have a peep at Mr Karmanlos’ bio…
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Karmanos,_Jr.

    http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20130327/BLOG007/130329882/10-things-you-may-not-know-about-pete-karmanos-jr-who-retires-from#

    Peter Karmanos — pool hustler, rebel, runaway, fighter, truant, occasional wearer of ponytails, despiser of rules and authority — is the founder and CEO of Compuware Corp., a $300 million-a-year company with a reputation as one of the finest software and computer services companies in the world.

    Gray Reynolds was director of corporate communications for Compuware at the time, March 1994 – June 2004
    http://www.linkedin.com/pub/gray-reynolds/2/855/5ba

    I couldn’t find anything about Compuware losses on 9/11 on archived company web pages.

    10 years later…
    Sept 11 2011

    http://www.communityclicksblog.com/detroit-police-and-fire-fighters-gather-at-compuware-to-recall-september-11-2001/#more-1058

    Compuware hosted the City of Detroit’s 9/11 Memorial Service, which took place Sept. 9 in the atrium.

    What of Aronson? Here spelled Aaronson:
    http://www.berkeleybeacon.com/news/2012/9/17/annual-vigil-draws-students-to-common

    [2012]

    Gregory Payne addressed the crowd, commemorating Myra Aaronson, a former communication studies professor, Jane Simpkin, a former student, and Sonia Morales Puoppolo, mother of Sonia Tita Puopolo, an Emerson alumnus, who lost their lives on Sept. 11.

    That’s Emerson College, of Boylston Street, Boston

    She had worked as a public relations and alliance manager for Compuware Corp. in Cambridge since May 2000.She leaves her mother, Evelyn, of St. Louis; a brother, Jules, of Bethesda, Md.; and two sisters, Elyse Van Breedan of Clearwater, Fla., and Deborah of St. Louis. –

    http://obits.reviewjournal.com/obituaries/lvrj/obituary.aspx?pid=91770#sthash.EXajYavq.dpuf

    http://kjw-today.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/myra-aronson-91101.html

    I worked with Myra for years, including at the time of her death — I in Detroit, and she in Cambridge. I’ll always appreciate her mentoring me in PR. She was always willing to inform, humor, and befriend. Myra, you continue to be sorely missed. May God richly bless you.
    Posted by Doug Anter on 2011-01-05

    Over the years, she worked as a public relations consultant to many Boston companies.

    http://www.legacy.com/Sept11/Story.aspx?PersonID=91770
    was Doug stalking her? Totally unbelievable.

    Funny, I thought she only joined Compuware in 2000…

    comment below:

    Anonymous said…

    Actually, Myra was a little younger; she was in my Ladue High School 1968 graduating class.

    Barbara
    Monday, September 12, 2011 at 6:50:00 PM PDT

    Compuware spokeswoman Lisa Elkin said, “We are devastated by this loss and our sympathies go out to the families and friends of Graham and Myra.”
    http://www.jsons.org/news/view.php/490125/Emerson-mourns-with-families-of-victims

    Any more photos, other than that crappy 1960s effort?

    References to Ms Aronson, who probably never existed, at Cluesforum from 2010:
    http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=246&p=2165515

    http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=29&p=1504444

    Nancy Aronson, Treasurer, is an experienced director of advocacy, educational program development and management. Nancy recently retired as a Senior Legislative Representative for AARP in Washington, D.C. She came to AARP as a program consultant for NRTA, a division of AARP that supports retired educators. Previously, Nancy was with the Association for Financial Professionals and George Washington University’s Center for Career Education. An experienced public relations and policy director, she also served on the staff of former Representative E.J. Patten. An advisor on the Nuclear Threat Initiative and Safer World Project, Nancy is featured in their public service announcements. Her sister-in-law, Myra, was killed on 9/11.

    http://www.familiesofseptember11.org/whoweare.aspx#board

    in reply to: Deaths on 911? #10162
    xileffilex
    Participant

    But hold on a moment. Before we move on, I missed this link from the controlled Guardian newspaper:
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/sep/16/september11.usa2

    16 September 2001

    While Charles and Pauline Berkeley watched on television as the second plane hit the World Trade Centre, their grief for the loss of others was slowly overwhelmed by the fear that they had seen their son die.

    They knew their son Graham was travelling that day from his home in Boston. From their secluded bungalow in Shrewsbury they called his cell phone and emailed him repeatedly. He did not answer.

    At 10.30pm their phone rang. It was United Airlines informing them that Graham had been on Flight 175, the second plane to hit the World Trade Centre at 9.03am that day.

    ‘At first we thought it was a hoax,’ said Charles. ‘But then United rang back. We had seen the fireball ourselves and knew to expect the worst,’ said Charles, his voice suddenly frail. ‘We watched our child die, unaware. He was a brilliant boy – a brilliant man.’

    Graham had intended to travel with his colleague so they could discuss the software conference they were attending in LA. But to little avail – they chose separate flights, his colleague travelling on American Airlines Flight 11, the plane that hit the north tower of the World Trade Centre 18 minutes earlier.

    Graham’s friend, Timothy Fristoe, 37, from Boston, was also due to travel with him, so the pair could visit friends in California’s Palm Springs after the conference. But Fristoe was delayed by work, and can now only fondly remember his friend. ‘Graham had a way with people,’ he said. ‘He had an uncanny ability to put them at ease and find something that disarmed them and endeared them to him. He was intensely charismatic and talented.’

    Another of those amazing lucky breaks for Fristoe, which pepper the official 9/11 narrative. Was he really booked to travel?

    Graham’s mother Pauline remembers in her son a fiercely bright child promoted ahead of his years, both at primary school in Shrewsbury and at his first job at a software company in Slough.

    what happened to “Shrewsbury College”??

    This story just doesn’t check out at all.

    Mr and Mrs Berkeley did not learn of their son’s death for more than eight hours

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1549200.stm
    I’d say that the pinnacle of efficiency of United Airlines, ringing around the globe to tell any relative the bad news so quickly. Must have been quite a shock for all those relatives who were not put in the picture so well as the Berkeleys by their son…

    “He always used to ring from the airport and say ‘Hi guys, I’m going to so-and-so’.
    “He never rang this time.”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1558453.stm
    Amazing sleuthing by UA to find the Berkeleys phone no so quickly.

    They knew their son Graham was travelling that day from his home in Boston.
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    Graham had intended to travel with his colleague so they could discuss the software conference they were attending in LA. But to little avail – they chose separate flights, his colleague travelling on American Airlines Flight 11…….

    Totally unbelievable.

    in reply to: Deaths on 911? #10131
    xileffilex
    Participant

    So where are we with Berkeley?
    Post above by “James Drummond”, dated September 11 2008 at Legacy.

    WHat’s this – cut and paste by “Drummond” two years later after this identical post
    http://www.9-11heroes.us/individual-memorials.php?PAGE=2324
    *** Posted by James Drummond on 2006-09-07 ***


    http://www.adrianhilton.com/index.php/in-memoriam-graham-berkeley-january-12th-1964-september-11th-2001/#more-386

    What’s this on the same page as the earlier post of”James Drummond”:

    In memory of
    Elisa Giselle Ferraina

    I am a friend of Alex, Elisa’s flatmate in London. I feel so happy to have met a person like Elisa. In the short time that I knew her, she makes me smile every time I think about her! I shall cherish the good nights out, and little chats that we had, and will miss her so much! My deepest sympathies go to her family and friends, and to all that had the pleasure of knowing this amazing woman.

    *** Posted by Alex B on 2006-09-07 ***

    THe Australian victim at Windows of the World… Our next subject for analysis….

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