Prof. Fetzer FAILS For (a) Proper Induction, (b) Examination Of Satanic Essence Talmud
Fetzer: I always make it a pt. to have listened to enough of the show
before I comment, so I submit u're just obviously dead wrong about Jewdy
Wood having to say exactly, precisely "how" it was done for the
DEW--she actually has done lots to say what happened, and she shows the
evidence for it.
She then induces fm the evidence that the weapon
had to have been DEW for best conclusion in all science. It's like
seeing a corpse w. gun-shot wounds, and then concluding it must have
been some sort of gun which was responsible--how is this so difficult?
So there is evidence for DEW, at least on some scale, as demonstrated in work of John Hutchison, I understand.
one might well also conclude--by means of INDUCTION--it could have been
nukes--it could have been a great combination of all, including
But surely, one thing I think u're
falling-down badly about is for generalization upon the details. For
observe all these false-flags and psy-ops entail "BIG-LIE"
technique--see Wikipedia for good expo.
So how then does this
BIG-LIE technique work?--what's necessary context?--doesn't it require
heavily regimented and highly-controlled mass-corp. "news"-media?
doesn't the control have to extend to public edjumacation, all the
politicians, judges, bureaucrats, police, et al.?--and HOW could this be
possible without such mechanism as central-banking institution like US
Federal Reserve Bank legalized COUNTERFEITING w. it's literally, nearly
I don't think u can deny this process of INDUCTION is (a) necessary part of process, and (b) what is grossly missing.
U then insist upon ONLY considering "zionists" WITHOUT considering nature of Talmud itself.
don't seem to want to consider the intensity of the large conspiracy to
be SATANISTIC--hence founded upon a philosophic principle of extreme
subjectivism, hence moralism, these satanists manipulating things to
extent of effectively controlling all established Christian
institutions, not only afore-mentioned mass-media, politicians, judges,
public edjumacation, etc.
Thus the people, in accord w. BIG-LIE
technique and principle FEAR to consider an otherwise quite plausible
alternative--THEIR OWN GOV. as only possible culprit, this including the
satanist element so hostile to the people's Christianity, pushing
"gay-rights," now working to inflict plagues upon the people, like
present "ebola" incursion, and others too, this by means of imposing
illegal alien invaders, and lately (G-20 meeting) preparing for
Finally, and again, u FAIL not only for this
necessary INDUCTION, upon principle of obvious BIG-LIE technique, this
in accord w. the satanistic principle of the Talmud, the specific
equation being: Judaism = Talmudism = satanism
So Prof. Fetzer,
in conclusion, the clinching task for u as philosopher and scientist is
to examine and conclude upon the satanist nature of Talmud--and this is
actually SIMPLE thing to do--WHY are u deliberately failing to do this?
I think I can answer your last paragraph. If one points out what's
obvious about Jews and Judaism, one is stigmatized as a "Jew hater". I
don't mind being called a Jew hater. What's to like? But name calling
goes with the territory. If you expose Jews for what they are, the first
thing by your name won't be Phd. It will be "Jew hater". LOL That's
just da way tings woiks.
Do you believe the Pope and Rothschilds
are collaborators? What do you think their relationship is? Would you
guess the Pope serves Rothschild?
"these satanists manipulating things to extent of effectively controlling all established Christian institutions"
agree. Even though the LDS Mormons aren't obstensibly Christian
(worshiping Joseph Smith Jr, not Jesus), they, too, are essentially
Jewish. Every good Mormon learns to lie and cover for the Church, It's a
religion based wholly upon corruption, lechery and unconscionable
Ted Olsen's new wife looks just like his old dead wife. Coincidence? Pseudocide? Reanimator? Frankenhooker? Or just really fuckin' creepy? I say, Barbara Olsen lives. Think they collected on her life insurance? Of course not....that would be fraud. I lived through the LA riots. I was working in Hollywood at a post production facility on the night shift during the curfew. Recently
I saw a video of Reginald Denny depicting an alternate version of the
"Official Story" - Denny getting shot at close range by a guy holding a
rifle or shot gun...with one hand...displaying very little recoil. Obviously, it was a blank. That proves some fakery was involved. Now we have Ferguson and the Brown shooting. All of which is totally staged fake bullshit. Work just one location shoot at night and you will know Ferguson is a hoax. Michael Brown is played by he same actor that was interviewed as a victim at the Aurora Theater Hoax. As an American Taxpayer, I demand higher quality propaganda.
These assertions of urs may be true, but still u have problem of proving and providing the substantiation.
said the kid-nappings which led to the Israeli raid on Entebbe in 1976
were staged, and that notorious Abu Nidal terrorist worked for MOSSAD.
even if what u say is true--we actually already suspect much about all
the fakery--so then who then gets it all together and puts it out on the
Jews-media to gull the suckers?--hmmmmmmmmm
After all, Jews own Hollywood--why wouldn't they also run all the crisis-actors?
Jews-media is well-supported by all the politicians, Hollywood actors,
crisis-actors, judges, lawyers, bureaucrats, police, et al., and these
are all well-paid--I wonder who controls that legalized COUNTERFEITING
scam, the US Federal Reserve Bank, eh?--could it be Jews?
NSA info goes straight to Israel, I understand. Jews got at least
3--count 'em--at least 3 members on Sup. ct. What do u think is going-on
here? Ho ho ho ho
believe Pablo Novi Schanes is onto something which is the lack of
organization and cooperation in the research community at the expense of
the enlightenment of the public. Even if people are interested in
knowing more about 9/11, they have a hard time getting accurate
information on what really happened due to conflicting theories and even
fighting between research groups.
Schanes would like to unite
the competing groups but I don't think that is possible. What is
possible is that the groups agree on the facts in the case. This would
be a move toward organizing these diverse groups and finding common
ground. It could also be a primer for beginning researchers. (You could
even do this with JFK case.)
Someone should put together a
booklet containing a list of indisputable facts on the events of 9/11,
referenced, of course, and citing those who have compiled the most on
basic evidence are people like Elias Davidsson on the official story's
lack of evidence, David Ray Griffin on the phone calls, hijackers and
PNAC members involved, Phil Jayhan on the tenants in the WTC and
Simon Shack would be the authority on the authenticity of the
television footage from 9/11. Both Jayhan and Shack are experts on
Hey Compass, I'm
impressed by your attitude & completely agree. We DO need to
summarize the case of 911 being a Big Lie, False Flag, Inside Job so
that the largest number of people can become convinced & then ACT on
I've been working on trying to make a contribution to such a summation by starting off building an outline "by 3's".
The 3 Main Divisions in the outline: 1) People 2) Planes 3) Places.
is logically subdivided into smaller and small components; I envision
that we'd end up with a list of the ~250 Biggest Points / Lie-Exposures.
From such an logically-organized list, we would SUM UP the main points in (hopefully) the most memorizeable form.
In this, and your subsequent posts, you lay out a series of important points that must be included.
I'm always interested / available for collaborative work towards
ending this "hell on earth" of police-states, wars, (approaching)
world-war all based on the 911 Big Lie.
About the possibilities of uniting 911-Truth groups: I recognize that: 1)
especially after the deep divisions, lasting over years; & "aided"
by the disorganizing work of the perps, unity-building will not be easy
(but then, it never is);
2) Unity-building is THE #1 task, it
MUST be undertaken, it MUST be put FIRST. Historically, movements have
been united; & never has there been more need with the abominations
the poor & working people of the entire world are facing;
3) The very process of TRYING to build unity, will, in fact,
BUILD such unity. We must give every force (organization, leader,
member, individual) the chance to contribute. To the extent that each
contributes to this #1 task, that'll be THE test of their seriousness
towards ending these scourges.
Let the work be open & above board. Let the members of each
organization (& the public in general) INSIST that @ does all in its
power NOW. In the process, let the people themselves decide who is
genuine (& amongst them, who are the real leaders).
Let nothing stand in the way of this noblest of causes.
whole world is looking towards the U.S. people & the U.S. 911 Truth
Movement (here in the "belly of the beast") & wondering WHEN WILL
WE STAND UP?
Participants in the Cover-Up of 9/11: The Case of American and United Airlines | Aldeilis (EN)
THE OFFICIAL ACCOUNT OF 9/11
While the US administration has
not issued any authoritative “official account”(or “white book”) of the
events of 911, as promised shortly after the events by Secretary of
State Colin Powell (1), the report issued by the bi-partisan
Congressional Commission of Inquiry in June 2004 (2) may be regarded as
the nearest thing to an “official account.”
According to this
report, 19 Arab hijackers, whose names and photographs have been posted
shortly after the attacks on the FBI website (3)(4), perpetrated the
atrocities on September 11 through a collective suicide operation.
Two AA and two UA passenger jets were, according to this account, flown as living missiles into the named targets.
The first AA aircraft (flight AA11, tail no. N334AA) is said to
have left Logan airport in Boston at 7:59 with 92 people on board (crew,
passengers and hijackers) and crashed at 8:46 on the North Tower of the
World Trade Center in New York City.
The second AA aircraft (flight AA77, tail no. N644AA) is said to
have left Dulles airport in Washington, D.C. at 8:20 with 64 people on
board and crashed into the Pentagon at 9:37.
The above departure times, incidentally, are still disputed and
in the case of AA11. As of November 13, 2003, the statistical database
of the Department of Transportation (BTS) did not even mention AA11 as a
flight scheduled for September 11, 2001.
At a later date the Department added a record for this flight with the departure time set as zero.
Checking again the BTS database for this article on November 18,
2004, I discovered that the DoT again amended its database by setting
the scheduled departure of AA11 to the “official time” of 7:45 (6).
It appears that the DoT had received orders to align its database with the “official account” on the crime of 9/11.
Should this have happened, there would be grounds to charge the
DoT for falsification of official records and participation in a
Hundreds of questions regarding the events of 9/11 remain unaddressed by the Congressional Commission of Inquiry.
The present article examines only one particular question:
Whether American Airlines (and United Airlines) are participants in the
vast cover-up of the crimes committed on September 11, 2001.
Shattering the myth of 19 Muslim hijackers
No evidence that Muslims hijacked planes on 9/11
By Elias Davidsson1 10 January 2008
Abstract: The United States government has alleged that 19 individuals with Arab names, deemed fanatic Muslims, hijacked four passenger planes on 11 September 2001 and crashed them in a suicide-operation that killed approximately 3,000 people. In this Report, the author shows that there is no credible evidence that these individuals boarded any of these passenger planes. For this reason, it is impossible to support the official account on 9/11. As the US government has failed to prove its accusations against the 19 alleged hijackers, the official account on 9/11 must be regarded as a lie.
Probability theory used to invalidate the official 9/11 account
The probability that four young, healthy and educated Muslims with lots
of cash and who like to party, would prepare for many months to
sacrifice their lives for Allah in a complex hijacking operation, is
2. The probability that four groups of young Muslims would
board four different aircraft in the United States on the same day
without raising suspicion, is 0.1
3. The probability that young,
unmarried, Muslim men, known to have been in Afghanistan, would receive
without problem a visa to the United States in order to learn to fly, is
4. The probability that foreign Muslims who plan to hijack
planes in the United States, would choose to train in American, rather
than in Arab, flight schools in order to prepare their hijackings, is
5. The probability that a person planning a hijack operation
in the US would tell a US public official about his criminal motives,
6. The probability that Muslims who meticulously plan a
hijacking operation in the United States, would “forget” a Kor?an on a
bar stool on the eve of their operation and a flight manual in Arabic on
the morning of their operation, in a rented car left near the airport,
7. The probability that hijackers who wish to be certain
to arrive timely for their operation would fly from another town to the
airport from which they intend to commit the hijacking rather than take a
taxi or public transport to the airport, is 0.1.
probability that US military authorities will schedule for exactly the
date of the murderous events, war games and exercises including
simulated plane attacks on US facilities and planes crashing on
government buildings, is 0.1.
9. The probability that passengers
could pursue successful cell phone conversations from a passenger
aircraft flying at 500 miles per hour at more than 6,000 feet, is 0.1.
The probability that hijackers would take their passports with them on
their flight to Allah and that their passports would survive the hellish
fires at the crash site and be found shortly after the attacks, is 0.1.
11. The probability that the US air force would bungle attempts to intercept four hijacked planes is 0.1.
The probability that plans did not exist to protect the White House and
the Pentagon against an accidental or malicious plane crash, is 0.1.
The probability that neither the CIA nor the FBI could have possessed
prior knowledge of the identities and whereabouts of the alleged
hijackers before 9/11, is 0.1.
14. The probability that a law
enforcement agency, such as the FBI, would reduce their investigations
of a mass murder merely four weeks after the events, is 0.1.
The probability that a government would oppose an official investigation
of a terrorist attack against its own country, is 0.1.
16. The probability that terrorists would commit mass murder without making any demands, is 0.1.
The probability that five individuals with only packing knives as
weapons could overwhelm fifty adults in a plane without raising the
awareness of the pilot, is 0.1.
18. The probability that
hijackers could successfully enter the pilot’s cabin in three different
aircraft, without the pilot’s awareness, is 0.1.
probability that a person who had never flown a Boeing 757 or any other
passenger aircraft could fly such an aircraft at 30 feet in the speed of
400 miles an hour into the back side of a building (the Pentagon), is
20. The probability that a crashed plane would leave no trace, is 0.1.
The probability that a high rise steel building would collapse at
free-fall speed on its own footprint after one hour’s fire, is 0.1.
22. The probability that debris from a crashed plane would be found miles from the crash site is 0.1.
compound probability of the above events to have occurred is the
product of the individual probabilities, that is 0.1 in the 22
exponential, or 0,0000000000000000000001.
shown above, the US authorities have failed to prove that the 19
individuals accused of the mass murder of 9/11 had boarded the aircraft,
which they allegedly used to commit the crime.
No authenticated, original, passenger lists, bearing their names, have been released;
no one is known to have seen them board the aircraft;
no video recordings documented their boarding;
no boarding pass stub is known to exist;
and there is no proof that the alleged hijackers actually died at
the known crash sites, because their bodily remains were not positively
identified and the chain-of-custody of these remains was broken. In the months following 9/11, reports appeared in mainstream media that at least five of the
alleged hijackers were actually living in various Arab countries. These
reports led to speculation that the identities of some of the hijackers
were in doubt. ,,,,,,,,Davidsson
Passage Of Time, Discussion Has Brought More Clear Perspective For Things
What we're now getting is BETTER PERSPECTIVE for what we thought we knew about 9/11 events.
And yes "compass," these are all very telling facts and analysis u bring to the fore. U're to be commended.
verily, the only thing we KNOW is that of a massive, elaborate, and
intensive psy-op presented by means of the media--the "Jews"-media in
pt. of fact.
And then given this psy-ops the rest of the
"players" and usual suspects colluded most sedulously and effectively,
we must admit, to stampede public-opinion, and in this, we notice
sublime co-ordination of all the instruments of propaganda and emotional
engineering done by Jews-media.
It's amazing what effect was
created and obtained by means of this Jews-media, emotional-engineering
and sheer big-lie propaganda--they got exactly what they wanted. Great
work by "compass." I take back all the nasty things I said previously,
ho ho ho ho ho
No Plane Parts Unique to Crashed Planes Found in Wreckage
government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning
of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human
beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in
an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the
contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately
kept hidden from public view. The hard evidence would have included
hundreds of critical time-change aircraft items, plus security
videotapes that were confiscated by the FBI immediately following each
With all the evidence readily available at the
Pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only
conclude that a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon as alleged.
Similarly, with all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash
site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious,
but small hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as
alleged. Regarding the planes that allegedly flew into the WTC towers,
it is only just possible that heavy aircraft were involved in each
incident, but no evidence has been produced that would add credence to
the government’s alleged version of what actually caused the total
destruction of the WTC buildings, let alone proving the identity of the
aircraft. It is time to apply the precautionary principle.
painful and heartbreaking as was the loss of innocent lives and the
lingering health problems of thousands more, a most troublesome and
nightmarish probability remains that so many Americans appear to be
involved in the most heinous conspiracy in our country’s history.
It will soon be ten years since the tragic events of 9/11/01 unfolded,
and still the general public has seen no physical evidence that should
have been collected at each of the four crash sites, (a routine
requirement during mandatory investigations of each and every major
aircraft crash.) The National Transportation Safety Board has announced
on its website that responsibility for the investigations and reports
have been assigned to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, but there is
no indication that mandatory investigations were ever conducted or that
the reports of any investigations have been written. For further
information regarding FBI “investigations”, click here
42:40 Pablo says that the FBI reports only 29 or 30 (? not sure of
number) instances of terrorism since 9/11, and all of those except one
were sting operations by FBI 23 and that they weren't even not sure
about that one.
What about the WTC 1993 sting by the FBI which
told its infiltrator operative to use live explosives in the false flag
bombing of WTC 1 causing millions in damage to the parking garage? How
come no one mentions that? 6 people were killed and 1,000 injured. (I
saw it live on TV and real people were evacuated. It was in February and
it looked cold outside. I couldn't figure out why people had black soot
just on their mouths and noses which they were covering with a
handkerchief or kleenex.)
first World Trade Center bombing was provocateured by the government.
In 1993 the FBI planted their informant, Emad A. Salem, within a radical
Arab group in New York led by Ramzi Yousef. Salem was ordered to
encourage the group to carry out a bombing targeting the World Trade
Center's twin towers. Under the illusion that the project was a sting
operation, Salem asked the FBI for harmless dummy explosives which he
would use to assemble the bomb and then pass on to the group. At this
point the FBI cut Salem out of the loop and provided the group with real
explosives, leading to the attack on February 26 that killed six and
injured over a thousand. The FBI's failure to prevent the bombing was
reported on by the New York Times in October 1993.
good analyses there compass. Sadly it's all rubish. All you need to
know is that the buildings were demoed under smoke and the media played a
movie while it was happening. Center of operation was the WTC7, which
was done with at the end.
info in the show about hollow towers and the 3,000 supposedly dead
people not accounted for in official records. I don't always agree with
Jim Fetzer such as claims about Zionists did it, holograms and
mini-nukes and whatever (which I believe are false theories), but he
does bring a truly broad spectrum of evidence to the table.
Jews Are Criminal, Psychopathic Scum And Puke, Without Any Doubt
are Jews, or those who suck-up to them, and Jews are the rulers of this
putrid, filthy society in "Decline of the West," by Oswald Spengler,
Jews running the central-banking, KEY foundation to all organized crime
in the West
Jews occupy no less than 3 and probably another place on US Sup. ct., 7 out of the 11 places on Nat. security council.
occupy all the top places, offices, and positions in gov. and business,
easily demonstrated, they lead and dominate organized crime, and of
course, obviously, they run the mass-corp. "mainstream" Jews-media.
the Jew, "one-born-brainless" imagines he can divert fm the truth and
obvious facts--as by repeating what he wants to be true, typical Jew as
he is, imagining people are impressed by his mindless, idiotic
But Judaism = satanism, regardless, as this is the demonstrable truth, proven over and over.
Jew Talmud preaches war against gentile, that it's ok to murder and lie
to gentiles, that Jesus Christ was rightfully and righteously killed,
his mother was prostitute, etc.
THESE ARE THE FACTS, comrades, easily demonstrated for all/any to ck for themselves.
u see, "...brainless," if u hold w., sympathize w., and defend these
filthy satanic scum, Jews, then I'd say it's reasonable INDUCTION to
conclude u MUST be one of them, eh?--if I'm wrong, by all means show me
how. Ho ho ho ho ho ho
"Very good analyses there compass. Sadly it's all rubish. All
you need to know is that the buildings were demoed under smoke and the
media played a movie while it was happening. Center of operation was the
WTC7, which was done with at the end." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Well, you and I know that, but what about everyone else? The
public accepts all the lies and the researchers are fighting with
eachother. Even if someone wanted to know what really happened on 9/11,
how are they going to sort out information from this hodgepodge of
websites and You Tube videos?
I think bringing some organization to this material is a good
idea and if someone edited a book stating just the facts in the case of
9/11, I would buy it. It would be a great reference book with everything
in one place and referenced. A section could be devoted to theory--each
group's interpretation of the evidence.
Elias Davidsson's work
is a good place to start to get an idea of how the 9/11 lie has been
sold to us without one shred of evidence by the US Government. It is
they who are making the claim, therefore, the burden of proof in on
them. Read how there is no evidence of hijackers boarding the flights,
no boarding passes, no security camera photos of the hijackers, no
original manifests, and no testimony from airline personnel who saw them
There's pilot George Nelson on the absence of airplane parts
unique to the 9/11 planes, not one of which was ever found. There is
Phil Jayhan and Simon Shack with their discoveries--occupancy, victims,
fraudulent videos, and so on--who have I left out?
There should be a section on all the drills going on. How many
were there and who was involved. I like to believe the actors we see
spouting the government propaganda were part of what they thought was a
Please take time out from your free-associationism and
bouncing off of the walls to think about putting together a book or
pamphlet with this information. (I'd ask Fetzer and Fox to do it, but
they fall into the category of theory and speculation and therefore are
ignoring the facts in the case.)
what do u say to the immediate and obvious objection that u're focusing
far too much upon details--the "trees"--and overlooking the "forest"?
and Fox have excellent grasp on details, but even Fetzer fails to look
properly for the forest--and it's not just "zionists"--it's Jews.
it simply the "BIG-LIE" that gov. is feeding us for 9/11?--and isn't
this "big-lie" technique used for other things, instances, and events
too?--like JFK assassination, Sandy Hoax, Boston bombing, and many
How could 9/11 big-lie even BEGIN to getting past
without the "mainstream" Jews-media?--and then there's the under-lying
US Federal Reserve Bank (legalized) COUNTERFEIT scam behind it all.
assure u Fetzer and Fox and many, many others too have quite sufficient
grasp of more than enough details on 9/11--what's necessary is that
INDUCTIVE LOGIC and generalizing for all the particular events--who/what
is behind them?--Jews.
And then why/how do these Jews just skate
past everyone--everyone so scared shitless to question these kikes? Ho
ho ho ho ho. Jews, the elephant in the living-room no one wants to see
first, eh? Ho ho o ho ho ho ho. Cowardly scum afraid of being
POLITICALLY-INCORRECT, stupid, brainless puke.
And to think--only
a few centuries ago, our people used to curse and abuse these filthy
Jew monsters as they deserved--not nowadays--have u ever wondered
why/how?--it has to do w. absolutely amazing change in culture, society,
What a putrid, stinking "Decline of the West,"
by Oswald Spengler, has taken place--and the dumbshits who've become the
bulk of our people can't and won't even begin to try to figuring it
out. So naturally, the Jews perpetrate 9/11, knowing if anyone starts
speaking real truth, kikes will then say, "uh uh--to suspect us is
anti-semitism, u know," ho ho ho ho ho
So why shouldn't such
scummy, cowardly filth be killed, enslaved, poisoned, and
over-taxed?--just like the Jews are doing to them, laughing up their
sleeves as they do so, ho ho ho ho ho ho
"Compass: what do u say to the immediate and obvious objection that
u're focusing far too much upon details--the "trees"--and overlooking
the "forest"?" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Are you at all familiar with
the criminal justice system in this country? It's really amazing how
screwed up your reasoning is. 9/11 is not a philosophical problem. 9/11
is a crime and the only way to solve it is with the gathering of and
analysis of the evidence.
This has nothing to do with trees and forests--details or the
big picture. It is about finding out what happened by studying the
Why aren't you the least surprised the US Government has yet to
produce a shred of evidence that planes crashed at the three sites on
Either you are incredibly stupid or a very smart shill engaged to keep commenters distracted from discovering the truth of 9/11.
ANOTHER Jew Liar Is Caught, Wiggling, Squirming, Ho Ho Ho
folks: looks like I've un-covered yet ANOTHER Jew dis-info agent
here--"compass"--ho ho ho ho. The mighty apsterian STRIKES AGAIN, ho ho
Yes indeed "compass," ONE OF US is a shill, for sure, buddy.
WHO really is "stupid"?--w. stupidity of a most interesting and telling
sort--which deliberately ignores the obvious facts about the
"mainstream" Jews-media and the "BIG-LIE" technique used for 9/11 AND
OTHER THINGS and events too.
The Jew ("compass") asks, "[w]hy
aren't you the least surprised the US Government has yet to produce a
shred of evidence that planes crashed at the three sites on 9/11?"
gov. is controlled by means of bribery and extortion at hands of Jews
and Israeli agents, obviously--as in case of Mike Chertoff ("son of the
devil," ho ho ho) who (a) destroyed evidence, and (b) quickly sent home
numerous Israeli agent suspects--and Alvin Hellerstein who has
sedulously seen to it that no cases have come to trial regarding 9/11.
is significant further for practically ADMITTING Jew involvement for
citing the lawyer for victim's widow, Ellen Mariani, for
anti-semitism--as the lawyer objected to the judge's obvious
conflict-of-interest, his son being lawyer for the Israeli security
company which oversaw the airports involved.
So the US gov. is
OBVIOUSLY infested w. Jews, as is this blog and comments section, ho hoo
ho, who are deliberately obstructing justice w. dis-info, etc.
actually quite gratified to see the Jew here, "compass," admit in his
back-hand manner the real essence of the problem--it is absolutely a
(philosophic) problem of INDUCTIVE LOGIC, 9/11 being of the same class
as other events, including JFK assassination, Sandy Hoax, and Boston
Bombing for the obvious BIG-LIE technique--fm which all, we plainly see,
Jews like "compass," desperately wants to divert and distract people's
"The truth of 9/11"?--well folks, it has to do w. Jews and
their satanic criminal conspiracy, keeping gentile people's attn.
distracted and diverted for who's doing what and how--JEWS and their
BIG-LIEs, 9/11 just another incident.
For 9/11 is PSY-OPS--who
does this?--and HOW is it done? Answer is (a) Jews, proven masters, and
(b) by means of BIG-LIES and such as the "mainstream" Jews-media, all of
it enabled by the under-lying central-banking, legalized COUNTERFEIT
conspiracy which literally controls everything and everybody else.
"compass" here actually helps us to grasp THE SORT OF CRIME which was,
and still is, 9/11--a psy-ops, on-going FRAUD, regardless of anything
else, done by means of BIG-LIES, and the Jews-media--and such agents as
"compass," the Jewwy dis-info agent.
Justified For Philosophic, Inductive Approach To 9/11 Psy-Ops,
False-Flag Crime--Fraud Within Fraud--Proper FOCUS Requires CONTEXT
do believe I've made a significant advance here, as in above dialectic
w. Jew, "compass," for proper analysis of the 9/11 crime--for what is
the REAL nature/essence of 9/11?--IT WAS "PSY-OPS"--fraud, a false-flag,
the object being to justify the further crimes which ensued, illegal
"patriot act," illegal invasions of numerous countries, etc.
the mass-corp. "mainstream" Jews-media is necessarily involved, among
others, all using BIG-LIE technique, working to get people to LOSE
Recent attack on Ukraine and the ebola (and
other diseases too, don't forget) incursions are just LATEST little
acts following fm and building upon foundation laid by 9/11 event, never
Jew dis-info agent, "compass," is just a little too
clever by half as he begs the question for the philosophic issue
And truly apster was correct for questioning the
intent of such Jewwy dis-info agents, striving to get folks distracted
upon the trees of 9/11 trivia, details, and items, causing the proper
perspective to be lost. For proper "focus" always requires CONTEXT.
Fetzer, would it be possible to have your radio show as a podcast on
iTunes? I download and listen on the go and this would probably help
many of us keep up with your show. I'm not sure how it is done but I
think you can put your podcast up on iTunes for free.
kind of "inductive reasoning" are you engaging in when you conclude
that because one person who disagreed with you happened to be a Jew,
therefore, ALL who disagree are Jews? And you think you have the right
to criticize Jim Fetzer on scientific reasoning?
By means of inductive reasoning we deduce from your "dialectic"
that you are a prime candidate for DBT (Dialectical Behavioral
Therapy) including the use of drugs and EST (Electroshock Therapy). May
we suggest that you sign yourself in to the Barnes-Jewish Hospital
immediately. The doctors and nurses at the Barnes-Jewish hospital will
know exactly what to do with you and will waste no time in sorting you
out as quickly as possible.
you have the right to do it. Anybody has the right to make themselves
look like nutcases, but do you have any credible authority or history in
these matters such that we should take your criticisms seriously?
just showed your competence in inductive reasoning is very shabby
indeed. You can't conclude everyone who criticizes you is a Jew because
one person who criticized you was a Jew. Would you claim that all swans
are white because you came across one swan that was white?
OFF TOPIC WARNING! Is
there any reliable evidence than anyone other than The Beatles wrote
The Beatles music? They don't appear to be capable of writing it but the
case for Theo Adorno writing it are looking thin and thinner. The
"evidence" that Aldorno was the original owner of The Beatles' song
rights is that someone claimed it so in a book! WIKI seems to have the
whole history of The Beatles catalog, yet never once mentions Aldorno
(which says nothing, Wiki would never expose Adorno, even if true).
@Allison Hunt Could it have been the Tavistock institute that created and controlled The Beatles?
Tavistock brought the Beatles to the United States nobody could have
imagined the cultural disaster that was to follow in their wake." --
UHM – Jesuits
control the Tavistock Institute for Human Relations --
Jesuits! Ho ho ho. :D Seriously though the Jesuits may have some secret
power but there is a higher power above the Jesuits, Zionists, the
Freemasons and international banksters etc. Some kind of secret cabal,
and then even another power above that. The top power is actually good I
believe even though on the surface it doesn't look that way.
I was going to add to my question that I believe the Beatle songs were
created in committee but I didn't want to get too windy. A committee
composed of just the right people would be capable of putting out some
The people at top control today are the same
people as 200 years ago. That would be Rothschild, namely David
deRothschild or his brother, Jacob Rothschild. You hear Alex Jones talk a
lot about the Jesuits. I'm really not sure what that is. I've met
plenty of Jew, plenty of massons... never run into a Jewsuit. Is that a
Catholic that takes orders from Jews? What kind of deal is that?
Jesuits are an order, like Franciscans, Dominicans, Cistercians,
Augustinians, et al., founded by a former soldier fm the Basque country
in Spain, Inigo, or Ignatius, in mid 16th cent. Ignatius's idea was to
specialize in missionizing and education for purposes of the
Counter-Reformation. Ignatius designed to be the Pope's closest
Thus the Jesuits became good at fund-raising fm rich
widows, and worked to become "confessors" of the ruling houses of
Catholic monarchies, Portugal, Spain, France, etc.
Jesuits became so zealous for their plots even the monarchs complained
and in about 1771 they were banned, though later, about 1814 or so they
were brought back. Jesuits seem to be pope's special black-ops
unit--they run lots of educational institutions--like anything w.
"Loyola" in the name, including the U. of Georgetown, lots of
real essence of the problem--it is absolutely a (philosophic) problem
of INDUCTIVE LOGIC, 9/11 being of the same class as other events,
including JFK assassination, Sandy Hoax, and Boston Bombing for the
obvious BIG-LIE technique......
"The truth of 9/11"?--well folks,
it has to do w. Jews and their satanic criminal conspiracy, keeping
gentile people's attn. distracted and diverted for who's doing what and
how--JEWS and their BIG-LIEs, 9/11 just another incident. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
elaborate on these statements. Apsterian. The question posed in the
podcast is how to bring some unity to the various research groups. So
far, you've only repeated opinions about Jews. Do you have any other
ideas or is that all? Tell us why you repeat verbatim almost every post.
Thanks in advance.
heck w. "unity"--there's no need for idiot "unity." I couldn't care
less for "unity"--I'm Christian soldier in favor of Truth against u
Jewwy liars. Truth itself is what should unify--Jews don't know the
meaning of truth--u're hopeless and it's useless talking too much to u.
Judaism is satanism, and u have all citations u need already in entries above.
So for idiot "unity," all u want is some convenient lies u fools can agree upon, eh? Ho ho ho ho
U can ck http://donaldfox.wordpress.com/2014/10/08/guest-post-satanism-built-on-moralism/
ck http://www.natvan.com/who-rules-america/ for expo on Jews-media
Note basic philosophic premises must be the same even in expo about different topics.
"Compass": all u're doing now is babbling, wiggling, and squirming.
made my pt., above entries, that 9/11 is one of a class of similar
events having to do w. the "BIG-LIE" (ck Wiki), this big-lie technique
imposed upon the people by means of the Jews-media, the Jews-media, in
turn, made possible by that central-banking instrument, US Federal
Reserve Bank legalized COUNTERFEITING scam--see Mises.org for expo on
Fed fraud and central banking, etc.
U rather want to divert
people's attn. upon trivia, details, and random, specific items, looking
at particular trees to distract folks fm the larger "forest" and
of the readers of this blog also follow the goings on over at
radiofetzer.blogspot.com. If you keep up with the comment section over
there surely you have seen posts from Apsterian. He sent me an
essay/outline and I thought it may be of some interest to my readership
here so I decided to post it. I don’t post much on these topics so I
thought it might be kind of interesting to read about something besides
mini-nukes. Here is his essay:
I. Introduction: Behold The Satanic Grip Upon American And Western Culture, “Decline Of The West,” Truly–What’s Happening?
Thanks for admitting you
have no interest in 9/11 and that your purpose here is to proselytize
this essay which Don Fox features on his blog.
Take note, everyone. Everything Apsterian has been saying is in
this essay. (So, please, we've seen it, know it by heart, and you
needn't repost it off-topic in every single comment section. Talk about
So what’s humanity’s greatest curse?–the Greeks teach us it’s
HUBRIS, that madness by which one imagines he is God–able to create
reality, as with and by means of perfectly free will. But surely, most
practical, common, and well-known form of this hubris is moralism, also
known as Pharisaism, sanctimony, or self-righteousness, the delusion to
effect one has a perfectly “free” will–like God’s–thus capable of
.....u Jews want people to forget as u attempt lead people astray fm the
Jew masterminds of 9/11, who manipulate the Jews-media, for example,
for the Jewwy big-lies, Jew Chertoff, Jew Silverstein and the rest of
his Jew cronies of the Port Authority, Jew Helverstein who's suppressing
the litigation as I noted, and all the other Jews, etc.
please. How do you propose to get these perps? You talk tough. Does
that mean you and your vigilantes will lynch them all? What is your
plan? How is it you think "details," such as evidence, are unimportant?
How are you going to get support from the community if you have no proof for your nuke theory?
blog is about social political and financial scams perpetrated by the
descendants of the bygone royalty who uses mock science for hire aka
alchemy, media and yes, jews as well, to circulate false realities and
create financial and political scams. The Jews have always been used for
this stuff, together with Christian monks. They don't en mass follow
one path. That would be the Christian monks who are the ultimate
servants, albeit trying to play virgins. The Jews take both sides. The
side that looses puts the blame on jews or the blame is put on them by
the other side. As such the Jews are often blamed, no matter who takes
the spoils, because they happen to very actively participate in politics
legislature science and banking. That in turn is due to the role
assigned and curtailed to them in the past when the royalties used to
actively relocate whole peoples according to ethnic and professional
keys when castles monasteries and cities where built in mediaeval
Europe. And I don't to hear any more crap from you.
said :"..the 9/11 lie has been sold to us without one shred of evidence
by the US Government. It is they who are making the claim, therefore,
the burden of proof in on them."
Compass, I just finished up writing and posting a blog article
on the burden of proof issue, if you are interested. [And in case you
did not know, Mr Fetzer does not believe the burden of proof lies with
the government, as I show via direct quotes used in the article]:
"9/11 Scams: The 9/11 "Truth Movement" Versus "The Burden of Proof" ":
don't you think Professor Fetzer has a misunderstanding of the term
"prima facie"? (Very interesting article written by you on burden of
proof on your website, BTW. Thanks for calling it to my attention.) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Prima Facie prima facie legal definition of prima facie
[Latin, On the first appearance.] A fact presumed to be true unless it is disproved.
common parlance the term prima facie is used to describe the apparent
nature of something upon initial observation. In legal practice the term
generally is used to describe two things: the presentation of
sufficient evidence by a civil claimant to support the legal claim (a
prima facie case), or a piece of evidence itself (prima facie evidence).
most civil claims, a plaintiff must present a prima facie case to avoid
dismissal of the case or an unfavorable directed verdict. The plaintiff
must produce enough evidence on all elements of the claim to support
the claim and shift the burden of evidence production to the respondent.
If the plaintiff fails to make a prima facie case, the respondent may
move for dismissal or a favorable directed verdict without presenting
any evidence to rebut whatever evidence the plaintiff has presented.
This is because the burden of persuading a judge or jury always rests
with the plaintiff.
Assume that a plaintiff claims that an
employer failed to promote her based on her sex. The plaintiff must
produce affirmative evidence showing that the employer used
illegitimate, discriminatory criteria in making employment decisions
that concerned the plaintiff. The employer, as respondent, does not have
a burden to produce evidence until the plaintiff has made a prima facie
case of Sex Discrimination (Texas Department of Community Affairs v.
Burdine, 450 U.S. 248, 101 S. Ct. 1089, 67 L. Ed. 2d 207 ). The
precise amount of evidence that constitutes a prima facie case varies
from claim to claim. If the plaintiff does not present a prima facie
case with sufficient evidence, the judge may dismiss the case. Or, if
the case is being heard by a jury, the judge may direct the jury to
return a verdict for the respondent.
Prima facie also refers to
specific evidence that, if believed, supports a case or an element that
needs to be proved in the case. The term prima facie evidence is used in
both civil and Criminal Law. For example, if the prosecution in a
murder case presents a videotape showing the defendant screaming death
threats at the victim, such evidence may be prima facie evidence of
intent to kill, an element that must be proved by the prosecution before
the defendant may be convicted of murder. On its face, the evidence
indicates that the defendant intended to kill the victim.
may specify that certain evidence is prima facie evidence of a certain
fact. For example, a duly authenticated copy of a defendant's criminal
record may be considered prima facie evidence of the defendant's prior
convictions and may be used against the defendant in court (Colo. Rev.
Stat. Ann. § 18-3-412 [West 1996]). A Civil Law example is a statute
that makes a duly certified copy or duplicate of a certificate of
authority for a fraternal benefit society to transact business prima
facie evidence that the society is legal and legitimate (Colo. Rev.
Stat. Ann. § 10-14-603 [West 1996]).
to OBF:) "This is just silly. You cite an article because you don’t
know what you are talking about. I taught logic, critical thinking and
scientific reasoning for 35 years."
"Footage broadcast “LIVE” to the world about an event of this
magnitude across all the networks has a prima facie claim to being taken
"Unless there is some good reason to question it, there IS no good reason to question it."
"So you can meet the burden of overcoming the presumption that
it is authentic or not. But that burden is upon YOU, not the rest of
us." [emphasis mine] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Well, Fetzer is not a
lawyer. So he shouldn't be tossing around legal terms. What does he know
about burden of proof or prima facie evidence?
It depends on who the plaintiff is in the case. The plaintiff has the burden of proof.
Look at Sandy Hook and the Boston Marathon. On the face of these
events, at first glance, (prima facie) the videos broadcast on the MSM
are prima facie evidence. A case must be made to prove they cannot be a
true representation of what really happened.
In the case of Sandy Hook, the court must be shown the videos
are in reality videos of something more like a drill and not the actual
attack on the school. In the case of the Boston Marathon, the videos
show images proving the "victims" were actually amputees and were
pretending injury. These would contradict the prima facie or first
glance prior evidence.
Simon Shack proved the MSM video footage
(prima facie) of 9/11 has been tampered with and altered. It's obvious
the appearance of planes in the footage of the breaking story broadcast
"live" on that day means tampering and fraud. There is an hour and
twenty-two minutes--from "first hit" to collapse of WTC1--prima facie
evidence--which needs to be analyzed and put on the record as disproved.
question is why are Fetzer and associates avoiding and evasive on this
issue. Compare this attitude with their obsession with the Altgen's-6
photo--insisting that it shows Oswald in the doorway. As plaintiffs, the
Fetzer group has the burden of proof that Lovelady is really Oswald.
IMO, since we know there is no evidence proving Oswald killed anyone on
11/22/63, this is an exercise in futility.
Because the US Government has accused 19 Muslim men with
hijacking, murder and destruction of the WTC, the burden of proof is on
them. It seems to me they have taken on the role of plaintiff and
therefore must produce evidence. The public takes the role of defendant.
By showing the claims about hijackers are false, the media (prima
facie) evidence is also false.
note, u're NEVER NEVER NEVER going to make anything out of this about
the faked vid evidence by Jews-media and their
owners/controllers--because Jews OWN all the politicians, judges,
9/11 is just one item in a long train of
psy-ops--which included first WTC bombing(s) back in '93, the OKC
bombing, Sandy Hoax, Bost. bombing, etc.--they're psy-ops, managed,
instigated, and exploited by Jew world order.
The only, best, and
real opportunity to overthrow ZOG will come when and as US Dollar
continues its collapse. QE 4 is up-coming, ho ho ho ho--this will lead
to yet MORE inflation, further collapse.
Further, the patriot opposition must, most of all, work for UNITY by means of rationalist, anti-Semitic Christianity.
forget: there are NOT specific "perpetrators" for 9/11--it's the ENTIRE
regime, all the parts working together--that's what u and we are up
against. U need to getting a serious clue about things regarding ZOG.
is supposed to be a philosophical--so he's supposed, by means of
INDUCTION, to be able to seeing a pattern for all these particular
events, JFK assassination, 9/11, etc.--what's his problem? Answer: Jew
worship/fear/terror is so sublimely infused within--he imagines it's
sufficient to being anti-Zionist--he can't figure out that's half-baked,
FAILURE--which actually communicates fear of kikes.
question is why are Fetzer and associates avoiding and evasive on this
issue. Compare this attitude with their obsession with the Altgen's-6
photo--insisting that it shows Oswald in the doorway. As plaintiffs, the
Fetzer group has the burden of proof that Lovelady is really Oswald.
IMO, since we know there is no evidence proving Oswald killed anyone on
11/22/63, this is an exercise in futility."
* * * * * * * * * * * * *
ho ho--above is actually very good analysis, but like I say, I only
wish u could apply this sort of analysis to ZOG and Jew world order.
i.e. gibberish, GOZ and loogie from apsterian aka the GOZ goofball.
forget: there are NOT specific "perpetrators" for 9/11--it's the ENTIRE
regime, all the parts working together--that's what u and we are up
against. U need to getting a serious clue about things regarding ZOG."
" there are NOT specific "perpetrators" for 9/11--it's the ENTIRE regime, "
said :" Well, Fetzer is not a lawyer. So he shouldn't be tossing around
legal terms. What does he know about burden of proof or prima facie
It depends on who the plaintiff is in the case. The plaintiff has the burden of proof."
I agree - he's not a lawyer. however neither is he a scientist from what I can tell :-).
real scientist would just flat-out assume that videos/photos were
genuine, without ever fully testing them all beforehand, before drawing
any conclusions about what did/did not happen on 9/11, surely?
The only things a scientist would assume to be true at the outset of
their own 9/11 investigation would be the applicable discovered laws of
physics - Newton's Laws of Motion , for example, everything else would
need to be checked, double checked.
Fetzers investigations, and
those of the persons whose research he promotes [Hall,Fox,Prager, Ward]
have all [studiously?] avoided the crucial [IMO] step of at least making
an honest, forthright attempt at trying to authenticate _any_ of the
imagery they have to date used to back up their various claims.
U under-estimate our dear Prof. Fetzer, who works hard; don't forget he
writes excellent articles for VT, compared to which u're relatively
insignificant gnat, ho ho ho ho.
It's perfectly legitimate to
assume assumptions, as all science requires this. And note Fetzer HAS
ADMITTED there are problems, esp. for the vids showing planes crashing
the bldg. walls--so u're wrong when u indicate Fetzer has not ck'd his
(b) U're further wrong when u insist all the vids must
be ditched and canned wholesale--some of them might be genuine, and some
of them may only be inaccurate in part.
(c) U further really seem to be lacking for significant conclusions, even given ur premises.
arguments of urs, fallacious and lacking as they are, seem to be ur
whole ball-game, brainless one, and as such hardly rate a response by
our good Prof. who works hard, don't forget, writing articles, running
his generally excellent radio shows, and other things too, no doubt. But
hang in there, by all means, and keep trying to achieve significance
for ur gnat-like efforts of expo/analysis.
the vast amounts of time he's devoted to the JFK altered video and
pictures, you would think he would be the first to realize that they
would have no problem doing this type of thing on a much bigger scale
considering how many years later 9/11 occurred. Has he ever given
systematic treatment to the Sept. Clues video and shown how it is
rubbish? I searched his VT articles and didn't find any evidence of a
detailed debunking of sept clues material. I wonder if he feels that,
primia facie, we should take all the JFK pictures and videos as
authentic as well?
Simian: too bad u don't understand English or logic.
(a) HOW can u prove all the vids are TOTALLY faked?--u haven't done this.
(b) Even if a vid is faked in one respect, it might still be accurate for other aspects.
to read English, ck ur dictionary, and think too--I know that's asking a
lot fm a simian, but try to attempt to endeavoring. Good luck, and I
await ur astounding discoveries--I'm even holding my breath, don't
doubt. Ho ho ho ho ho
culito Look at what I did write and try to address just that. I will
say again cause it seems you have short attention span. Many videos
turned out to be fakes. Conclusively. For example, the clips showing the
jumpers. No video turned out to be authentic. I never said all videos
were faked, just that no video of interest has been shown to date from
the event, e.g. one showing live and authentic footage caught on 911. I
am not talking of some stuff showing distressed people somewhere next to
the JFK airport, watching big screens. That will not count. Videos that
come from the immediate vicinity of the WTC center only apply.
problem is (a) u don't really understand English or the logic of the
written sentences u read. (b) So u end-up talking about something else
which u mis-understood, evidently.
U're NOT making sense.
We KNOW some of the vids are faked for SOME things.
u seem to be saying ALL vids are TOTALLY faked for ALL the things they
purport to showing--which u haven't proven, just asserting.
video turned out to be authentic. I never said all videos were faked,
just that no video of interest has been shown to date from the event,
e.g. one showing live and authentic footage caught on 911."
Don't u realize above passage by u is contradictory?
see, simian, u don't understand English--OR--u don't understand logic,
and it's hopeless trying to make sense out of what u write to us here.
Regardless, the WTC bldgs. were destroyed somehow--by nukes or DEW and including nano-thermite explosions too, it would seem.
Are u telling us that no bldgs. were destroyed, and that they're still standing there in NYC?--ho ho ho ho
Did ANYTHING happen on 9/11? Ho ho ho ho ho
Simian: u're a puzzle, wrapped within an enigma, wrapped within a riddle, ho ho ho ho ho
know what, I don't want to offend you anymore, even thou you always try
to offend me. I sincerely feel sorry for you soldier. Very few people
repeat the same stuff over and over and over for days and weeks and
months. I wish it makes you happy and if so it makes me happy too.
Back to the question. There is no contradiction here. Fetzer and
you and others who believe that not all has been faked can only gain
respect by pointing to one, just ONE video they deem authentic, and lay
out reasons for its authenticity. You understand, I try to use induction
with which you appear to be familiar (I'll take your word for it), that
such thing would weigh much more than repeating and repeating "not all
is faked I believe" stuff. Look how many points SS scored by proving
fakery of the videos. Plenty points. Look at the scoreboard SS Plenty
Points : Perps and Shills 0. Literally, Zero. Not a single video has
been reasonably authenticated in the eyes of the spectators. beyond
reasonable doubt, as some say.
What Exactly Are Proper Conclusions To Be Drawn?--Anything At All--World Wants To Know!
all I said is u make little sense, even though u seem to be trying. And
I assure u I'm deeply touched u try soooo hard for us, believe me.
I'm asking u, honestly--WHAT HAPPENED on 9/11, given what u tell
us?--did the WTC bldgs. collapse?--I assume they did--am I a fool?
we're merely ASSUMING the general authenticity of the vids, though,
obviously, the ones w. planes melting into the bldgs. have to be fake,
but other things could be real, right?--such is our assumption, I assume
(ho ho ho).
Forgive my simple-mindedness, but simplicity seems
to be reasonable--SOME things about the vids seem like they could be
true--my ASSUMPTION, again.
U certainly HAVE NOT NOT NOT proven EVERYTHING about the vids are fake--have u? Tell us.
did indeed PROVE one thing: ZOG WANTED US to believe planes struck the
bldg.s, without a doubt--for that alone he deserves much credit. BUT
what further conclusions can be drawn?--we wonder, and we depend upon ur
help and info, don't u know.
Are those WTC bldgs. truly gone?--or are they still there?
appeal to your simple-mindedness, and I'll take it granted. When you
play a game say football, you just go out and try to score. Either you
score or you don't score, in which case you loose. There is no place for
assumptions on the scoreboard overhead.
Nothing is authentic. Look again at the scoreboard ZERO.
Something Happened To WTC Towers--But What?--This Is The Question
Simian: ur last, just above at 7:14 is absurd on its face.
But U MUST PROVE WHAT ISN'T REAL--this is basic premise u continue to miss.
can agree that the plane-into-bldg. is obviously fake as that can't
happen, hence it's proof in and of itself. And there are other anomalies
as SS pt'd out. But regardless, u MUST PROVE what is fake.
what happened to the bldgs.?--they're gone, right?--so SOMETHING
happened, right?--so choice is nukes, DEW, or thermite, etc.
There's also seismic evidence and eye-witness testimony.
but surely, we figure-out what happened, right?--by means of
eye-witness, seismic, and whatever else we KNOW we can rely upon.
SS is right--there was major manipulation of the vids, but exactly how much?
vid can be partially faked, but also partially true--like the Naudet
bro.s vid--that seems to be true vid, but w. plane worked into it. SS
did good job comparing other vids w. Naudet bro.s'
Note: I'm not
pretending to any necessary conclusions, except for the
planes-into-bldg. parts, which must be faked, but others might well be
assumed correct or accurate--unless there's good reason not to accept
Compass, here is part of an email from Mr Fetzer to another
person in the same email group we are all on,[along with Simon Shack and
a few others], in response to my recent article on the burden of proof:
[obf] has made the same kind of irresponsible claims in the past and I
have replied to them before. He is a broken record and has no warrant
for his attempt to shift the burden of proof. His attacks on me are
You see, I have "no warrant" to "shift the burden of proof",
when the truth of the matter is that it is he himself who has shifted
it, as you well understand, and as I have attempted to illustrate in my
"9/11 Scams: The 9/11 "Truth Movement" Versus "The Burden of Proof" :
Hi All (Jim Fetzer and everbody else), I'm Pablo, the interviewee.
Before addressing any of the specific points made in the
interview itself or in these comments; I feel I must say that I owe
you-all an apology.
I've organized against injustice & for
justice for the last half-century (& studied hard to try not to
"re-invent the wheel" in such activities). During that time, I've given a
few dozen speeches, written 100s of mass-distributed articles, and
participated in tons of demonstrations & meetings. However, I'd
never actually been publicly interviewed. In other words, this was my
first public interview ever.
Perhaps I can use the "excuse" that I
was so stunned by how well Jim Fetzer treated me & how well the
interview went ... that I kind of "blanked out" and did not even think
about there being a comments thread.
Again my apology to all concerned, Pablo, Director: "911 Crash Test" Project www.911crashtest.org
My Main Comment On The Interview: Jim
serves the important function of being a major critic of the work
around 911-Truth activities. During this interview, I thought he
continued his admirable work.
My task is different; mine is the dual task of: 1)
Specifically directing our "911 Crash Test" Project (which aims to put
the question of Aluminum Wings Vs WTC Twin Tower Steel Panels to the
test - and "see who wins" once & for all);
and 2) Play whatever role I can in trying to unite the 911-Truth Movement; as a consequence of these two tasks / roles, there is implied a "third":
To largely refrain from criticizing specific weaknesses in 911-Truth
groups & individuals; and, instead, emphasize what unites us.
impressed me the most about this interview was that we accomplished to a
high degree BOTH our "functions": he continued effectively critiquing
while I (hopefully effectively) emphasized giving compliments &
focusing on that which unites us.
As I said in the interview, imo, not nearly enough quality effort has been put into the unity question.
I think this interview was a shining example that BOTH must & CAN be done simultaneously.
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