Ep47-Flat Earth Discussion

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Pre-recorded interview with Robin Fisher

Moonfacts for kids from NASA:






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Square and Stationary Earth.

Theia’s mythological role as the mother of the Moon goddess Selene is alluded to in the application of the name to a HYPOTHETICAL planet which, according to the giant impact hypothesis, collided with the Earth, resulting in the Moon’s creation.
(Mysticism – Occult doctrine)

Journal of Geophysical Sciences, Solid Earth – Lunar and planetary Science Conference proceedings papers – 0;Moon to coalesce and reach hydrostatic equilibrium. between gravity and pressure, forming a spherical object. This has all been MATHEMATICALLY modeled.”  – ” it’s core is “off center.”

Moon is a oblate spheroid.
– an ellipsoid with TWO EQUAL (opposing) semi-diameters.

If Apollo missions didn’t happen, as is almost impossible based on physics and research, then how does one account for Lunar Meteorites being testable or comparable to Moon rocks.

Moon rocks collected by astronauts during the Apollo program contain traces of apatite

The first form of elemental phosphorus to be produced (white phosphorus, in 1669) emits a faint glow upon exposure to oxygen – hence its name given from Greek mythology, meaning 0;light-bearer” (Latin Lucifer).
…did not diminish over time (and did not need re-exposure to light like the previously discovered… Brand at first tried to keep the method secret, but later sold the recipe for 200 thalers to D Krafft from Dresden, who could now make it as well, and toured much of Europe with it, including England, where he met with Robert Boyle.
Rosicrucian 18th Degree Freemason – Invisible College – Gresham College
Elemental phosphorus exists in two major forms—white phosphorus and red phosphorus
Google Glowing Phosphorus

If a rocket worked in space it only proves that there is an atmosphere in space which creates balance on the inner and outer parts of the space vessel.
The gasses are expanding rapidly out of one end of the rocket, but they are expanding into a vacuum, this vacuum is ‘sucking’ on the gasses as quick as they expand so the net result is zero force in one direction. Many people think that if oxygen and fuel is carried it makes a difference. But the principles of a vacuum does not cater for this man-made theory. All a vacuum wants is to be filled with something and anything. If some thing is expanding in a vacuum it will do so without any resistance because it has the aid of the vacuum itself.

In 1903, Konstantin Tsiolkovsky published (The Exploration of Cosmic Space by Means of Reaction Devices), the first serious scientific work on space travel. The Tsiolkovsky rocket equation—the principle that governs rocket propulsion. He also advocated the use of liquid hydrogen and oxygen for propellant, calculating their maximum exhaust velocity.

The delta-v needed to achieve low earth orbit starts around….
Factor 10-4
8 643 (m/s)
9.4km/s – 11.2 (33,840km/h – 40,000)

Max speed liquid oxygen/liquid hydrogen rockets (16,063km/h)
Factor 10-3
4,500 (m/s)
16,000 (km/h)
10,000 (mph)
A typical value for the specific impulse of current rockets.
Propellant mix – liquid oxygen/liquid hydrogen
Vacuum Isp (seconds) – 455
Effective exhaust velocity (m/s) – 4462

As of 2013, the X-15 holds the official world record for the fastest speed ever reached by a manned aircraft. Its maximum speed was 4,520 miles per hour (7,274 km/h).

Factor 10-3
1,400 (m/s),
5,040 (km/h)
3,100 (mph)
Speed of the Space Shuttle when the solid rocket boosters separate.

Operational altitude: 100 to 520 nmi (190 to 960 km; 120 to 600 mi)
Speed: 7,743 m/s (27,870 km/h; 17,320 mph)
Crossrange: 1,085 nmi (2,009 km; 1,249 mi)
First Stage (SSME with external tank) Main engines: Three Rocketdyne Block II SSMEs, each with a sea level thrust of 393,800 lbf (1.752 MN) at 104% power
Thrust (at liftoff, sea level, 104% power, all 3 engines): 1,181,400 lbf (5.255 MN)
Specific impulse: 455 s
Burn time: 480 s
Fuel: Liquid Oxygen/Liquid Hydrogen

Second Stage Engines: 2 Orbital Maneuvering Engines
Thrust: 53.4 kN (12,000 lbf) combined total vacuum thrust
Specific impulse: 316 s
Burn time: 1250 s
Fuel: MMH/N2O4

The rocket boys seem to think that just because the decreasing mass associated with the burning fuel allows the rocket to accelerate (gain velocity as opposed to maintaining a constant velocity) that–somehow – this magically allows the rocket to accelerate to a velocity greater than that of its exhaust– which is typical nonsense. It can accelerate, but not beyond the velocity of its own exhaust. Acceleration and maximum velocity are apples and oranges.

led an American lodge of Crowley’s magical order, Ordo Templi Orientis (O.T.O.)
principal founders of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory

The Shuttle has a whole host of problems associated with its airframe shape (tail section, leading edges/wing width/construction – and other details) and function of the shock wave (heat from the compression of the air resulting from the shockwave accompanied by stagnant subsonic flow at supersonic speeds), and of materials/epoxy able to cope with the kinetic heating and drag.

The Shuttle’s (TPS) is the barrier that protected the Shuttle Orbiter during the searing 1,650 °C (3,000 °F) heat of atmospheric reentry (especially on the aluminium frame because the orbiter’s aluminum structure could not withstand temperatures over 175 °C (347 °F) without structural failure.)
1,668 °C – Titanium, Melting point (90 percent of the SR-71 is titanium)
1000 degrees Fahrenheit equals degrees Celsius 537.78
The strength of epoxy adhesives is degraded at temperatures above 350 °F (177 °C).
The SR-71’s heat generated during flight can reach over 1000 degrees F., with an average of over 600 degrees, that causes the fuselage to expand in flight from 4 to 6 inches in length. The component parts of the Blackbird fit very loosely to allow for expansion at high temperatures. At rest on the ground fuel leaks out constantly, since the large tanks only seal at operating temperatures.

Clues Forum – Why Rocketry Doesn’t Work in the Vacuum
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11 thoughts on “Ep47-Flat Earth Discussion

  1. Dal Tampra

    Thanks people. Ab, Robin and Jan particularly with your sincere ( hey, I’ll take a leap of faith and say ‘I think you’re real’ ) efforts. It seems this is where I arrive on my 9/11 journey of 8 years. Unlike Smj, I welcome this juncture.

    The big questions of life itself.

    As Robin says, nothing doesn’t exist. It’s a scientific impossibility. It’s like each week – revealed – the next great psy-op of history –
    they got us believing in NOTHING! Doh! Haha. It’s liberating to realise and I love you for that.

    Thanks for the sanity and your intellectual bravery.

  2. Jan Erik

    Origin of Nihilism

    It was the 18th century Friedrich Jacobi (b.1743-d.1819) who actually first coined the term nihilism to describe the relativistic and superficial philosophies of several Jewish “Enlightenment” leaders such as Spinoza, Kant and Fichte. Later it was Georg Friedrich Hegel (b.1770-d.1831) that gave further life to this pseudo-philosophy of nihilism and he did so by mimicking and plagiarizing the academics works of Thomas Aquinas, Plato and Aristotle. The proof of this is no better exhibited when one looks at the over-arching strategies of the New World Order where people mention what is regarded as the Hegelian Dialectic, a macro-way of approaching a synthesis, a strategic geopolitical objective.

    Hegel didn’t invent dialectics; Thomas Aquinas was by far the most adept example of dialectic thought in his massive work, Summa Theologica. But as testament to the arrogance of the nihilists, much of what they did wasn’t so much reinvention or recreation or new thought but merely the act of plagiarism, re-branding and destroying perfectly sound systems of thought. The high priests of nihilism came a few years later and it was Frederic Nietzsche (b.1844-d.1900) who arrogantly, ignorantly and superficially created the phrase, “God is dead, God remains dead and we killed him”. The catch cry of the nihilists then for the last 100 years to the present day.

    Since the birth of such a pseudo philosophy based on nothing, nihilism, the pseudo philosophy has been embraced by generations of the best and brightest of our universities, particularly the professional and merchant classes, as you can who quickly identify such an idea as a means of achieving ultimate power of such an historic power base such as the priest classes.

    In politics nihilism manifested as Marxism, communism, socialism and produced the labor parties in Europe and the commonwealth and democrats in America. In fact America since 1933 has become a central hive for a fanatical new breed of nihilists, zealot nihilists that will stop at nothing to maintain power for its own sake at all costs.

    In religion through the writings of Friedrich Nietzsche and the self-serving and arrogant confidence of the “Intelligentsia” within the universities and institutes all founded on the concept of the death of God, we see the rise of science as a pseudo-religion. In culture nihilism produced the post-modernist movement whereby disciplines, rigor, history and traditions were swept aside for perspective, deconstruction, reinterpretation and wholesale editing and plagiarism. In economics nihilism led to consumerism, mass marketing, collective conformity and now the terminal welfare state.

    It is within the ranks of the elite and the semi-elite that the philosophy of nihilism found its greatest acolytes. No longer constrained by rigors of moral responsibility, business leaders, bankers, lawyers, intellectuals and religious leaders have been free to hide behind any movement and any philosophy or position they like knowing fully well that they believe in absolutely nothing. So, Nihilism over the last 200 years has spawned two of the most destructive forces against western civilization: intellectual stupidity and institutionalized incompetence which are prevalent in all movement where the nihilists hide and most notably within conservative forces.

    In law, nihilism masquerading as legal realism and rationalism, has caused the complete breakdown of judicial integrity, logic, reason, clean hands doctrine, good faith, due process and the most basic rule of law as lawyers, prosecutors and judges directly benefit from the fruits of monetizing crime through superficial actions in privatized courts. We see this; we know this. This is completely contrary to the statutes of nations and is outright treason against the law. Thanks to nihilism and the argument of arch-conservation such wanton and willful destruction of our society is allowed to take place and it is privately and secretly promoted.

    In politics nihilism masquerades as both conservative and liberal parties and has caused rampant theft of public property by politicians for personal gain. There has been a bloating of bureaucracy with enforcement agencies to protect that political class from attack and the worst stupidity endemic among the leaders of society in the history of human civilization. We have never had a more stupid, sociopath, and immoral class leading us than at the present moment in all of human civilization. In economics, nihilism masquerading as economic rationalism has caused the collapse of the western model of wealth creation. The largest transfer of wealth to the elite classes since the middle ages and the eternal sabotage of economic wellbeing of the modern national economy through continued decisions of sheer intellectual lunacy and absurdity that bear no resemblance to the foundations of economics as first described by Adam Smith in the Wealth of Nations. There is none whatsoever.

    In science nihilism has masqueraded as the scientific method and has now caused the greatest stifling and constipation of scientific inquiry in fields totally controlled by nihilists since the Vatican Inquisitions at the time of Galileo. Far from objective, empirical, honorable and honest results, tests are forged and arguments are bloated and nonsense is accepted. Open debate is squashed and egos are worshipped and deep thinking against such scientific orthodoxy are rooted out among the best and the brightest of the universities.

    In religion nihilism has masqueraded as conservatism and has seen the greatest destruction of moral responsibility in the history of organized religion putting to shame the history of the ancient pornographic popes. Child abuse and sex slave rings have become institutionalized within the very halls of power despite the protests as recent as today by those arch-conservatives as recently as today who are desperate to hold power at all costs within the Vatican. All of this is protected under the absolute falsity of arch-conservatism. The cronyism, corruption, and theft have become endemic under the cloak of conservative values. These nihilists themselves who are personally responsible for much of the destruction of the moral fiber of religion such as the Catholic Church remain vehemently opposed to the return of any personal responsibility and the transparency that has been proposed by Vatican II.

    You can see this in those that are the loudest to decry the attack on conservative values. You see this in the screams from these people against any change because once nihilists are forced to account for any form of moral responsibility they are finally exposed for what they are—people who believe in nothing, who destroy traditions and institutions. ‘

    1. gottfriedleibniz

      Jan Erik, I am in agreement with much of what you propose here, but you lost me at the application of nihilism in religion. I believe you have it nearly backwards at this point, and your own inconsistency points this out.

      Up above you note that Aquinas was plagiarized by the nihilists. I would like to see your source for this, but I am in agreement that it was the perversion of the classical philosophy, i.e. the natural law, that has brought society into ruin. Aquinas has been able to incorporate the ideas of Aristotle into the Catholic Philosophy, which had hitherto been dominated largely by Platonists. The height of philosophy was reached, I believe, in the 13th century with the publication of the Summa Theologica. And since that point, we have been on a downward spiral.

      Now in order for my view to be consistent, I would say that those who hold the philosophy of the 13th Century Catholic Church have the most complete and consistent philosophy. It would therefore be inconsistent for me to propose that these latest 20th century modernist view that were interjected into the Catholic philosophy at Vatican II are an improvement on the philosophy of Aquinas. Rather, it is more consistent with your statements to say that these additions of Vatican II are more of the same modernist nonsense that has crept into science and other realms.

      What are the notions of modernism? Evolution, relativity, positivism. These ideas are not the those of the Conservative Catholic Church but of the modernist theologians who were formerly blacklisted and kept from teaching in the seminaries. The conservative Catholic Church formerly had canon law that kept children safe from pederasts. I will give you are concrete example.

      The 1917 Code of Canon Law was very strict about dealing with pederasty.

      “Canon 2359, pararaph 2 states: If they (clerics) have committed an offense against the sixth commandment with minors under sixteen years of age, or been guilty of adultery, rape, bestiality, sodomy, traffic in vice, or incest with blood-relatives or relations by marriage in the first degree, they shall be suspended, declared infamous, deprived of every office, benefice, dignity, or position that they may hold, and in more grievous cases they shall be deposed. This is from the 1917 Code of Canon Law, which is in place in the Catholic Church.

      The Vatican II Church, however repealed this law with the 1983 Code of Canon Law, which states in Canon 1395, paragraph 2: A cleric who has offended in other ways against the sixth commandment of the Decalogue, if the crime was committed by force, or by threats, or in public, or with a minor under the age of sixteen years, is to be punished with just penalties, not excluding dismissal from the clerical state if the case so warrants.

      Let us compare the two Canons:

      1. The 1917 Code orders suspension, which forbids the exercise of Holy Orders, the 1983 Code does not.

      2. The 1917 Code orders infamy, which is an irregularity, also forbidding the exercise of Orders, until absolved by the Pope, the 1983 Code is silent.

      3. The 1917 Code orders deprivation of offices, which means that the priest will no longer be allowed in a parish, the 1983 Code makes no such provision.

      4. Both the 1917 and 1983 Codes provide for deposition in more serious cases.

      The big difference is that the pedophile maybe kept in the priesthood, as has happened in the Vatican II Church, whereas in the [1917 Code] he must be removed from the priesthood, no questions asked. Why did John Paul II remove this sanction from the Code of Canon Law? It certainly is not for the good of the Faithful to allow pedophiles to be retained in the priesthood, which is exactly what the 1983 Code of Canon Law permits. John Paul II only orders punishment with just penalties, whatever that may mean. Obviously the penalties were not sufficient to prevent recidivism!

      And what is the cause of this problem in the ’60’s to now? Quite simply, priests violated their Oath Against the Errors of Modernism, and as they slid into heresy, sins against the Sixth Commandment, including pedophilia became easy for them. If one is not zealous about holding tot he doctrines of the Faith, why should one worry about keeping his pants on and his hands to himself?
      Now I ask you: is it more consistent to propose that from Aquinas until Vatican II, all the same liturgy and philosophy and code remained unchanged; or that Aquinas and the older philosophy is consistent with the later liturgical and philosophical and canon law reforms that came after Vatican II?

      Obviously the 2nd proposal finds no support in logic, nor does it have any factual basis. What we see is a consistent philosophy that was carried out in the liturgy and in the law of the church from the 13th century up until Vatican II. I submit that it is not the conservative elements of the Catholic church, but the modernists who are responsible for these awful crimes.

      The leaders of the Catholic Church foresaw this danger and warned against it. Pope St Pius the X warned clearly against the errors of modernism that the readers of this blog have recently stumbled onto.

      St Pius X wrote an encyclical, “PASCENDI DOMINICI GREGIS”, warning against evolution and other modernist errors.

      Pius X also instituted an oath against modernism to guard the Faith against modernist teachers.

  3. Jan Erik

    The argument “God is Dead” is one of the most infamous and most arrogant claims of the Nihilists since one of its high priests Friedrich Nietzsche proclaimed at the end of the 19th Century “God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we, murderers of all murderers, console ourselves? . . . Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we not ourselves become gods simply to be worthy of it?” (Nietzsche, The Gay Science, §125). Despite his fame at such hubris, Nietzsche offered no reasoned nor logical arguments, except his disgust at the corruption and ossified dogmata of the former Roman Cult. More recently, fanatical nihilist Richard Dawkins in his 2006 book “The God Delusion” at least offers some superficially “reasoned” arguments, namely his claims that (1) Natural selection and similar theories are superior to a “God hypothesis”; and (2) The concept of the existence of an ultimate “Divine Creator” is self-refuting based on the complexity implied for such a being and the need for a “designer for the designer”; and (3) If a “Divine Creator” did exist, then there would be evidence of such an existence and thus could be tested or refuted like any other theory. As a result of the seeming “logic” and “reasoned arguments” of Dawkins, he has inspired a like cult following as a new “god” of the fanatical religion of science.

  4. smj

    I appreciate what you are trying to do. You and chris kendall are keeping it real; maybe the only ones doing so. That said, I’m contacting you to beg of you allow robin to work out his existential dilemma on his own time. I am tired of the american mullah routine. the earth might be flat and if it is it has nothing to do with how robin feels or knows about his particular diety. The beginning and end of any conversation with robin should be ” so tell me r what created your god. Why is there anything and not rather nothing. He has no answer for that. No human does. Im sorry but his faith is about as unempirical as one can get.
    Nothing personal. I only listen to you and chris, yall are my media. So I’d appreciate it if you asked robin to leave his dead horse at home when he comes out to play.

    1. ab Post author

      Thanks for writing. I’m moving this comment to the show page later.

      Smj I understand your POV. I also know that Robin’s ideas are not for everybody. I see value in what he says, and I am not a Bible believer from the beginning. I know, however, that most of the world is. If you wanted to mess with those that follow the Bible, wouldn’t you take its references to Satan and try and make them come to pass? Like it or not, our whole history is religious based. The new religion called science is a recent phenomenon, and it too has been compromised by the PIPs. It may have more empirical evidence, and thus appeal to more logic based humans like myself, but it has also been destroyed by NASA and thus put us right back near square 1. In future, I will try and get Robin to lighten his references to G*d for the non believers.

    2. robinmfisher

      Why is there anything rather than nothing? No thing?
      And as a thing, nothing would have…
      Size = 0
      Power = 0
      Intelligence =0
      Existence = none

      The size of zero is wrong, once you get that, you have a size.
      It’s zero size, but it’s still size.
      And then you have to get rid of power, power has to be powerless.
      And intelligence, can’t have any intelligence.
      And existence, no existence.

      Conclusion. Nothing is IMPOSSIBLE.
      If nothing is impossible, than everything that is not nothing should be existing.
      That is called the inverse.

      And the inverse of nothing is….
      Size = infinite – Omnipresence
      Power = infinite – Omnipotence
      Intelligence = infinite – Omniscience
      Existence = infinite – Immortality (or the “I am that I am” – God)
      All properties inverse of nothing are infinite.

      Everything that we see, came from the power of God, not nothing.
      The inverse of nothing is God, therefore God exists.

      There is no third side. Nothing either exists or it does. And once you have God, all things are possible.

      The big bang theory starts from the firmament, what God created on the second day. They (evolutionists) look to IT (firmament) to provide all the energy to create the universe.

      What is interesting, is that my faith is unempirical?
      Please explain to me the “blind faith” needed from the religious science community to keep the charade going of false science where there is NO EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE for big bang, evolution, heliocentricity and old earth. Talk about a dead horse. There is more empirical evidence from both atheist and theist historians about Jesus Christ than there is for evolution, heliocentricity and the big bang/old earth.

      My existential dilemma? Is your existential dilemma, everyone’s existential dilemma.

      You’re comments are laughable at best. And you’re shilling for the NWO is also in that same category.

      I believe I addressed you in my conversation, as to many others and that is – What are you so scared of? Accountability? Creation? A God?
      If you want to believe in nothing, go ahead, I advise you to do the same as Markus and all the NWO shills out there (who know what they are doing by equivocating and purposely suppressing the truth) and that is to wear t-shirts supporting your beliefs. As in a t-shirt that says “I came from nothing”….or that “I created myself” or “I believe in death”. And get your children to wear those shirts too, if that’s what you believe.

      I don’t mind being attacked by your foolishness, because I can make conclusions, logical conclusions, where others are too scared to go, or comment on, or stand up for. People don’t like conclusions, because that means they have to think, and to make stands. Most people just love answering questions with questions. And because so, they forever keep going around in circles.

      What is funny too, is that those out there running and ruining the world from the top of the pyramid believe and make conclusions past the circular arguments and fallacies they provide to the public. How else would they retain power as a minority from the majority? And they believe in a god, although Satan is there god, and that is admitted. So tell me where believing in my God is going to do me wrong?

      The people of this world have no power because they believe in nothing and are told to believe in nothing.

      1. ala samoan

        My beliefs are simple; God created us in his image.

        It’s hard for a non-believer to understand that we are in a spiritual battle.

        Those of us who had submitted and receive Christ as our saviour can see another side to the deceit and truth. Those who have the sprit of The Lord in them have a different understanding when reading the bible, why because the bible is a spiritual book.

        As truth seekers we all want to know who is at the top of the pyramid. We want to know who is screwing us, bombarding us with predictive programming from every angle every second of the day. I have come to the conclusion that this is no longer important to me, I have found the answer, which has set me free, I am no longer afraid, of the so called elite.

        Satan is at the top of the pyramid, the master counterfeiter and deceiver of all men. We know he is ruler of this world, he wants us to live in fear and fall, but there is no reason to be afraid, we believers know the final verdict.

        All things must come to pass.

        Matthew 24

        4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
        5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
        6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
        7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
        8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
        9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.
        10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
        11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
        12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
        13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
        14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

        Ephesians 6

        10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
        11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
        12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
        13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
        14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
        15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
        16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
        17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
        18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
        19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
        20 For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak

      2. smj

        I have no problem with people expressing their faith. I’m just tired of hearing fundamentalists equate their faith with empirical data. Thanks for your reply. You, sir, are a badass.

      3. smj

        Yes, apparently I am the fool. As airtight as it obviously is, I can’t follow your argument.


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