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Unreal
6 years ago

All historical chronology before 1700 is an artificial product of the Catholic church, which based by its creation on numerology, not on the real information about the life of folks of the Mediterranean region This is on a worldwidescale. All History is written here in Europe. @Curious: agree that the foundation of our current civilisation was made in Europe at its conception. the “scriptorium” is clearly where much of the material has been conceived, but if the bible and new testament are merely vehicles of deception created quite recently (16th century ?), what is the true nature of the church… Read more »

Curious
Curious
6 years ago
Reply to  Unreal

@Unreal agree that the foundation of our current civilisation was made in Europe at its conception. the “scriptorium” is clearly where much of the material has been conceived, but if the bible and new testament are merely vehicles of deception created quite recently (16th century ?), what is the true nature of the church and who really is behind this institution ? According to A.T. Fomenko Joh. Evan. was created first. That aside. The scriptures as we know it are based on the Kab.= Numerologie. + pieces of hidden History in it. But History which happened in Europe, according to… Read more »

Unreal
6 years ago
Reply to  Curious

@Curious i’ll try to look more into the most probable dates of the writing of the bible. what is very interesting in contrast to this information is the fact that Joseph Atwill pins the creation of these text to an Egyptian influential family on the behalf of the romans, without making any reservations about revising the historical dates of neither Jesus not the romans. Atwill has acknowledged being trained in a jesuit school in Japan as a child. • if the bible and the fictious history timeline were both made using the a form of kabalah it might be poossible… Read more »

Unreal
6 years ago

I think the following comment, found on the wild heretics site, apply equally to this site

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i don’t put any credibility to “Lord Steven Christ” nor should you imo, he is evidently a gatekeeper.

anounceofsaltperday
anounceofsaltperday
6 years ago

Who is “they”?

How does “they” keep the grand plan intact over the long time periods that are required?

Unreal
6 years ago

@anounceofsaltperday in regards to keeping the plan intact over long periods of time, Curious has posted a very interesting link to an article about the chronology of history: — A chronological revolution made by historical analytics — • if we re-examine history with awareness of forgery and with a critical mind, we might find that the time periods we speak of are much less extensive. i’m in agreement with Christoph Pfister who do not assume any history earlier than the 17th century to be reliable. so, the plans elaborated might not span as far back as we are led to… Read more »

anounceofsaltperday
anounceofsaltperday
6 years ago
Reply to  Unreal

I completely agree with your view on the time periods.

My question is more concerned with how the plan is kept so vigorous? Do you have specific families in mind, e.g. DGB names the Greenburg family?

Do you have the view that the lifespans of the family members are the standard three score and twenty?

Unreal
6 years ago

@anounceofsaltperday: i’m not convinced of DGB as i’ve stated before, i believe his research to be misleading and to discredit serious investigation into the subject by DBA. • concerning the Greenberg family, these entities would be actors at best and not at the heart of the real control structure which would be hidden for obvious reasons of control and deniability. • regarding lifespans, i’m open to that knowledge of such matters is kept secret from the general population and that the power-structure would likely apply such wisdom as to stay in the game for much longer than the average mislead… Read more »

anounceofsaltperday
anounceofsaltperday
6 years ago
Reply to  Unreal

I think the following comment, found on the wild heretics site, apply equally to this site R.E. May 15, 2015 at 6:26 pm “Cluesforum’s Simon Shack saw an Italian video of an expose on one of their space station actornauts. She told the interviewer her age and when she joined the space academy. It was worked out that she must have been 24 when she joined the academy to be an astronaut. Turns out the age limit on joining the academy is 22 years old. Lol.” I saw that. The inside of the Italian “spacecraft” looked like a teenager’s bedroom.… Read more »

Curious
Curious
6 years ago

@ Unreal
Noticed, that you have read the stuff.

The so-called great religions are the footsoldiers for breaking up the ties which one has to have with animals and plants. Everything is about denaturing the human beiïng. The knowledge which one has to have for building health and maintaining health in mother’s free nature , and living in symbiose, they have taking it away from us for making us dependent on their system, which is BS.

Unreal
6 years ago
Reply to  Curious

@Curious:

yes, i’ve read the articles in english, they are very informative on the scope of research that has been done previously and also describes the current researchers that question the official time-line. right now i feel that Christoph Pfister’s point of view makes the most sense:

All historical chronology before 1700 is an artificial product of the Catholic church, which based by its creation on numerology, not on the real information about the life of folks of the Mediterranean region

Curious
Curious
6 years ago
Reply to  Curious

All historical chronology before 1700 is an artificial product of the Catholic church, which based by its creation on numerology, not on the real information about the life of folks of the Mediterranean region

This is on a worldwidescale. All History is written here in Europe.

Curious
Curious
6 years ago

“They ” are the families who have the “real”power. That time period is not that long. Couple of hundreds of years. We are short termin thinkers, they look over the generations and that makes a hudge difference.
Look after the websites, which I have put up.

Unreal
6 years ago

@Curious sorry to hear about your accident. maybe you can start a thread in the Forum ? what is your opinion the age of our civilisation as we know it today? do you believe earth is younger than we are told or that older history than the official fairytale is just silenced ? • you are right to correct me ! i wrote “fake” whereas these structures exists so the right term should probably be “forged” in the sense that their narrative is fake as well as their age. my bad. • regarding the manipulation of history through forged monuments,… Read more »

Curious
Curious
6 years ago
Reply to  Unreal

what is your opinion the age of our civilisation as we know it today? Once somebody else asked me the same question. I gave him the answer: if you think that the civilisation is not older than 2000 years you simply cann’t prove it. But nobody can prove you wrong to. I do believe that mankind. animals and plants are the visible part from the underlying matrix. regarding the manipulation of history through forged monuments, i find it most interesting to establish a list of the “greatest hits” so to speak. the Egyptian pyramids and Sphinx represent a big one… Read more »

Curious
Curious
6 years ago
Reply to  Curious

Although fully off topic, I”ll grap the opportunity to tackle another great hoax namely cancer. I’ll keep it very short.
Go to: germannewmedicine.ca/documents… When arrived there, you’ll see on top of the page: Paradigm, click on that one and then: Five Biological Laws.
An absolute eye opener.
Another site:www.healingcancernaturally.com…

Curious
Curious
6 years ago
Reply to  Curious

You have to realize yourself that the dating as we have it, the socalled “AD” dating is a artificial and “Jesus” ( = Je Suis!!!) construction.
See for this: de.geschichte-chronologie.de/ Especially “Tuisto” Extremely complicated but an eye-opener.
By the way, I like your talking.

Unreal
6 years ago
Reply to  Curious

@Curious Google chrome’s translations surely does not make the Geschichte Chronologie website justice. i’m not quite able to understand their numerology and astonomy angle. it would be great if you could explain Tuisto’s theory and his view on the alternative model to our current dating. • i’m quite interested in pinning down the alternative history behind the great pyramid of Egypt an the Sphinx, what are your points of view on this topic ? a forum thread on the subject as to reference the sources and theories currently known would be interesting. • reflecting on the corner-stones of our official… Read more »

Curious
Curious
6 years ago
Reply to  Unreal

@Unreal, Alas, due to my own situation I cann’t be a much help for you., but I will try to bring you on the right track. Go to:de.geschichte-chronologie.de/ and then on the top click on “Startseite” On your right hand you will notice the several topics. In the moment “Tuisto” : Neue Erkenntnisse zur Jesuskonstruktion. Here you will have to start The whole thing is so extremely complicated that it is impossible for me and also other people who are coming on that forum to come to a good understanding let alone for telling it after. That level is simply… Read more »

Curious
Curious
6 years ago
Reply to  Unreal

I did some research, some art. in English: de.geschichte-chronologie.de/i…

Another website with an English translation: www.chronologiekritik.net/

Unreal
6 years ago

@Curious thanks for the link. an image is worth a thousand words,, my german is not very good, but the chapter on “Gussbau” contain very interesting examples of how ancient civilisations carved mountains in a widespread fashion. it is probably hard for us today to relate to such proceedings, but the method of carving geological material to give it a built shape allows for massive “constructions” in appearance and dispenses for the tools we would need today to build such buildings from scratch. • another example from the region of Egypt/Judea, are the stone carvings of the Edomites. pictured below,… Read more »

Curious
Curious
6 years ago
Reply to  Unreal

@Unreal This whole thing is probably not older than 500 or 600 years. The link I gave you, that man discovered as an outsider that mountains and lakes are manmade. Study that website carefully, it will be an eye-opener. Although of course, you don’t have to agree with him. I happen to know the material from J. Davidovits. Give you another example : the Italian city Rome, yes with the Vatican, is build after AD 1500. Source A.T. Fomenko and Dr. Pfister. So the whole thing is a hughe hoax as well. Yep, Ünreal” we have been and are very… Read more »

Unreal
6 years ago
Reply to  Curious

@Curious

we are very nicely fooled indeed !

regarding Fomenko, in my view he has some valid points but bases his findings on astronomy which means the Universe model which i believe is fraudulent as well.

that Rome was “invented” as an ancient city is very interesting, Chris Kendall has spoken on this subject as well. what proofs and evidence are the strongest for this case ?

i do recommend listening to Florian Diacu who proposes a more varied approach than Fomenko:
www.redicecreations.com/radio/…

Curious
Curious
6 years ago
Reply to  Unreal

that Rome was “invented” as an ancient city is very interesting, Chris Kendall has spoken on this subject as well. what proofs and evidence are the strongest for this case ? The material which is used and drawings. Go to: www.dillum.ch/ and try to use the translator. www.forschung-fischerprivat.de… CLick on links and you will find more. de.geschichte-chronologie.de/ Some links, but I do think you have to use the translator. F. Diacu is not good. There is a small group[ of people around A.T. Fomenko, and he considers everything before 1600AD in the dark. Is a complete construction. But he has… Read more »

Unreal
6 years ago
Reply to  Curious

@Curious translating with Chrome is quite a hassle, but i find the de.geschichte-chronologie.dewebsite very good. • it would be very interesting if you could hook up on Teamspeak with Ab (or any other member me included) to share (in english!) your insight and research on the aspects of contrived chronology and archeology. in my view, we have fake Giza pyramids & sphinx in Egypt, Teotihuacan pyramids in Mexico, Petra in Jordan, Superhenge & Stonehenge in the UK, Pompeii & possibly parts of Rome in Italy,,, your list might be far longer though ! • have the feeling that the church/monks… Read more »

Curious
Curious
6 years ago
Reply to  Curious

it would be very interesting if you could hook up on Teamspeak with Ab (or any other member me included) to share (in english!) your insight and research on the aspects of contrived chronology and archeology. in my view, we have fake Giza pyramids & sphinx in Egypt, Teotihuacan pyramids in Mexico, Petra in Jordan, Superhenge & Stonehenge in the UK, Pompeii & possibly parts of Rome in Italy,,, your list might be far longer though ! Alas, I cann’t hook up with Teamspeak, because I do have a braindamage due to vacc. and heavy accident aboard ship. Worked as… Read more »