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  1. Carole Thomas

    Here is a complete version of Dr Christoph Pfister’s book in German – I haven’t been able to find an English version.
    Matrix der alten Geschichte
    ” Matrix of old/ ancient history”
    www.dillum.ch/html/pfister_chr…

    Here is a book in English by Edwin Johnson. Very readable despite being written in
    the 19th century.
    www.radikalkritik.de/PaulEpist…

    Reading Johnston, I am reminded of Hoi Polloi and his vicsim research. Johnston postulates that a bunch of monks in their scriptoria were supplied with the bare bones of the fabrication ( a list of names) and progressed from there to write ever more complex and lurid stories which cross-referenced themselves like a hall of mirrors. He calls this process the writing of a “theological romance.”. In other words a psy-op script!

    Here are some quotes from Johnston.

    “Historical literary art should always be compared with pictorial art, if we are to avoid illusions. It is evident that a mistake on canvas is much more readily discovered by a spectator than a similar mistake is discovered by the readers of a book. It is easier to fill the mind with the contents of a crowded canvas in the course of half an hour’s attentive study than it is to fill the mind with the figures and scenes of a story which demands a day for its perusal. The effort of attention is much longer and more painful in the one case than in the other. And, again, few readers have that vividness of imagination which enables them to realise the contents of the book as they can realise the contents of the canvas. So that many a person who would detect a glaring fault in the picture, and would say at once, “This is not life-like, this is not true to nature,” might pass over precisely the analogous fault in the book without recognition. From this cause great errors have arisen in the study of the literature before us.”

    “How little do people reflect on the immense power of the greatest literary organisation in our world of the West, the organisation that we call the Church, either to exalt its favoured personalities, or to depress and to cover with ignominy its detested foes!”

    In this quote he seems to be referring to pre-programming and conspiracy culture:-)

    “All this offers another illustration of the system of trickery by means of which curiosity is excited, a work is advertised beforehand, and the minds of readers are prepared to expect some fresh wonder in the world of orthodoxy and of heresy. But meantime no such sect as the “Marcionites” has ever been discovered, except in the brains of these fabricators, any more than a sect of “Wiclifites” or “Lollards” has been discovered from any independent source.
    ‘The purposes however, of all this machination is patent enough to the truly critical student. The desire is to represent that the Catholic Church had always been surrounded by heretics, that she had always triumphed over them, and that these very heretics had in some sense acknowledged the Creed, however they might have travestied it, and the Catholic and Apostolic books, however they might have endeavoured to alter them in their own interests.”

    “These secret monks, conscious that they are wholesale forgers, divert attention from their craft by freely charging their crimes upon others. They delight, again and again, to point out what they call by the quaint name of “Apocryphal” writings — writings which they advertise, and which they mean to be read, not in public, but in private, because they serve to excite curiosity, to amuse, and to enhance the value of those which are alleged to be canonical and true.”

    And finally this is mountainman’s site which has a number of great resources and quotes for anyone interested in historical revisionism.
    www.mountainman.com.au/essenes…

    “Where you have a concentration of power in a few hands,
    all too frequently men with the mentality of gangsters get control
    . History has proven that. All power corrupts;
    Absolute power corrupts absolutely” — [Lord Acton]

    1. Curious

      @ Carole Thomas,

      Dr. P. Pfister mentions Edwin Johnson in his book Matrix der alten Geschichte. Alas the book is not translated in the English language.
      Thanks for putting the link to Johson.
      I did do a little bit “theologie” , I was very astound to find out how intelligent people could be that stupid. Nothing secured, hypothese over hypothese. Now I know why, this whole “theologie” building is a complete fabrication.

    2. UNreal

      @Carole Thomas

      you are right about there not being an english version of Christoph Pfister’s book, he is actually self-publishing as no mainstream publishing-house will promote his work which is regarded as “heretic” writings. Dr Phister is publishing a small exposé of his view of the historical and chronological problems in ancient history this month where he hope to find a voluntary translator (know someone Curious ?)

      enjoy those links !

      the Edwin Johnson quotes are quite intriguing, as is Jean Harduin’s (1646-1729) reference to the “‘maudite cabale” as the writers that forged all books of antiquity (profane and ecclesiastical) in the thirteenth or fourteenth centuries.

      & thank you Carole Thomas for your supportive comment in the “Two Peter Two” post

      1. Carole Thomas

        No problem, Unreal!
        Dr Pfister could get in touch with me regarding the translation. I am fluent in German and regularly do translation work. Email me at cjeilert.com and I can give you my skype details.

        1. UNreal

          @Carole Thomas

          would be great if you would do that ! your email-link did not work for me, maybe you could send your contact details over Skype?
          —> my Skype id :andreasaas:

          1. Carole Thomas

            Another quote from Edwin Johnson that reminds me of how the vicsim profiles were probably written. My comments in parentheses indicate the minor changes that one might make to the original to bring it up to date.

            “The evidence perfectly teems with signs of trickery and fraud. The secret faction of literary monks devised alphabets, parchments, and inks to represent different ages. (The secret faction of vicsim biographers devised scripts, fake photos and fake family links to represent different “victims”) Still the scheme could not escape detection. When you observe that the copies alleged to be of a particular age ( when you read the biographies of supposed different people), no matter where written, have the same form of writing, the same characters, you perceive that you have to do with a company of copyists who had the same alphabet ( script) before them.”

            In just the same way, the condolences on the vicsim sites and the scripts of various crisis actors reveal the ” same alphabet”.

    1. UNreal

      hello Curious,

      yes, i am reading this website currently, it is very good and as you mention contain articles in multiple languages.

      just finished reading an article on how the very respected Japanese archeologist Shinichi Fujimura was charged and convicted with fraud of over 20 archeological sites.
      — his method ? —
      Shinichi Fujimura dug down his own manufactured objects and “found” these same exhibits only hours later…
      (he probably planted the objects before lunch, has some sushi and then went back to make his find,,, of civilization in Japan all the way back to some 200,000 years ago, if not 700.000 years)

      Japan – all Fake ?

      A look at archaeological fraud

      1. Curious

        @ Unreal,

        Hello ami!!

        They better arrest the whole bloody lot. It is all BS.

        A very good book, which is a “must” read: John Tayler Gatto: Underground History of American Education. ( Everywhere almost the same). You can find on YouTube as well.
        I mentioned him before, but the name was not mentioned corrrect. Sorry, for that one.

  2. psyopticon

    Another fascinating discussion of historical revisionism / the new chronology.

    Though wasn’t Constantinople the second Papal home, rather than its first? Supposedly the Roman empire was displaced from Rome to Constantinople by persecution from Venice, a powerful maritime empire.

    Under attack from Venice, the Roman Empire shifted to Byzantium to the east, now modern-day Turkey. Causing the Great Schism in Christianity in doing so. Byzantium broke from Roman Catholicism and Byzantine Christians formed their own Orthodox branch of Christianity, electing their own Pope to this day, as well. Or that’s the story.

    The Roman empire was subsequently reborn as the Byzantine empire or Eastern Roman Empire, or Second Roman Empire, later to become the Ottoman Empire, proving the maxim that empires never die, they just move house!

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantin…

    As an aside, the Venetian Empire eventually moved north over a period of 200 years, moving first to Amsterdam, and then to London, where by 1800 it had become the omnipotent modern-day Anglo-(American) empire, controlling the world through its trade routes and raw material cartels. See some of the surprisingly credible material on the Venetian empire and its shift to London by Webster Griffin Tarpley, the infamous 911 rabbit hole generator.

    tarpley.net/online-books/again…

    This set me reminiscing though, about a late friend of mine. He was a semi-professional treasure hunter from the east of England. I think I mentioned him before on Teamspeak. Over a quarter century of searching the soils with his metal detector, he accumulated a vast collection of coins. Discovering tens of thousands of coins from almost every realm and dynasty to have ruled over the land.

    What was mysterious about his collection was that he discovered no coinage that predated Byzantium (supposedly an empire of the Middle Ages).

    Whilst he found much so-called “Roman” coinage (and jewellery) – which was almost ubiquitous for him as he lived in Colchester, supposedly the Roman capital Camulodunum – he only ever found coinage from imperial dynasties of Byzantium or later. Coins of emperors who ruled from Constantinople, modernday Istanbul in Turkey.

    The Byzantine coins of Constantinople are very distinctive; the figures and faces on them have a distinctly eastern style. Not at all like the faces and figures on the coins that the self-appointed coin experts (e.g. Spinks and Seabys) tell us were minted in Rome, or for Rome.

    My friend’s lack of coinage from the First Roman Empire is inexplicable as we are told that Emperor Julius Caesar (from Rome) supposedly conquered Britain in 55BC, and coins were supposedly being minted in Colchester in the years soon afterwards, with minting then continuous for centuries.

    So where was all the early Roman coinage from Rome? Why didn’t my friend find any of it?

    Sure enough there are plenty coins of the First Roman Empire shown in coin catalogues Seabys and Spinks, and indeed the catalogues show plenty of coins that were supposedly minted even earlier, by early Celtic / British Tribes…. But are these coins even genuine, or is there a false trade created here? Numismatic falsification, as much as historical revisionism? It would see so.

    Fomenko has it, and I’ve come to believe him, that Britain was invaded much later (c.1450) by armies from the Byzantine Empire, by then known as the Ottoman Empire. Britain was never invaded by Rome. In other words, Julius Caesar never conquered Britain.

    That probably means that the famous Roman monument Hadrian’s Wall, an eighty mile stone monolith, supposedly built c.122AD by Roman Emperor Hadrian, to keep the Picts/Scots out of England, couldn’t possibly have been built by Hadrian! If the Wall is of any age at all, and not just a Victorian fake built by over-enthusiastic archaeologists, it’s probably at best mediaeval in origin.

    As for the supposed Roman invasion of 55BC, that would seem to be a recently created false revisionist history – Caesar’s arrival on British shores is possibly a 19th century account. Conjured up by some pompous Oxbridge antiquarian with an over-exercised imagination; a yarn which subsequently stuck and “went viral” throughout our academic system!

    For some reason, there’s a virulent anti-Fomenko lobby who paint him as a crazy Russian nationalist desperate to belittle Europe and particularly Britain. And he does have a certain amount of mischief in that respect, in his book series History: Science or Fiction. But overall, from my friend’s experience of discovering not a single coin from Rome, Fomenko seems to be broadly correct. Caesar never did “VENI VIDI VICI”.

    1. Curious

      @ Psyopticon

      Though wasn’t Constantinople the second Papal home, rather than its first? Supposedly the Roman empire was displaced from Rome to Constantinople by persecution from Venice, a powerful maritime empire.

      The first. Papal home was Avignon in France.
      The so called Roman Empire never existed , at least not in that way and excisted about a 50 years.
      Forget about the socalled History before 1700 Ad. This is a complete fabrication not a reality.

      Sure enough there are plenty coins of the First Roman Empire shown in coin catalogues Seabys and Spinks, and indeed the catalogues show plenty of coins that were supposedly minted even earlier, by early Celtic / British Tribes…. But are these coins even genuine, or is there a false trade created here? Numismatic falsification, as much as historical revisionism? It would see so.

      Those coins are a complete fabrication.

      Forget about Wiki, this is complete BS

      Some websites:
      www.forschung-fischerprivat.de… -> links especially Uwe Topper ( also in English)
      de.geschichte-chronologie.de/
      de.geschichte-chronologie.de/i…

      1. psyopticon

        @Curious

        Thanks for the links. I looked at Uwe Topper’s site, and read the two articles his colleague Jordan Tabov published in English about the coinage of Bulgaria:

        From www.chronologiekritik.net/ :—

        Coin findings in Bulgaria 1910-1934 — 2006 Jordan Tabov
        Coin findings in Bulgaria in half a century — 2006 Jordan Tabov

        Though, Tabov is not nearly as bold in his claims about our fake chronologies as Anatoly Fomenko. Maybe the mental institutes aren’t so nice in Bulgaria to risk saying any more!

        To explain several centuries when it seems no Bulgarian coinage was issued, Tapov buys into the notion of the European Dark Ages. An era when supposedly a third of Europe was wiped out by plague and poverty; an era when people abandoned their advanced lifestyles, and regressed back to very primitive living; letting their brick and stone houses tumble down; abandoning those sophisticated “hypocaust” underfloor hot-air heating systems we all learned about in school (chuckle!) And instead they chose, or were forced, to live in mud-huts again. And they abandoned the use of common coinage and instead bartered for goods using pebbles and knuckle-bones! Very difficult to believe.

        As you’ve said, Curious, no doubt lots of officially catalogued ancient coins and those shown on display in museums are just modern fakes, fabricated to maintain the ‘official history’, and to create a false market in invaluable rare coinage that in reality was never minted back in time.

        Got a funny story in that vein. A local man was jailed for counterfeiting gold Celtic staters, very primitive yet very rare and valuable coins minted by the early Brits. Coins like these:

        www.ebay.co.uk/bhp/gold-stater

        Often the coins have a very artistic styles of animals on them – which somehow belie a more modern hand – very like the “Celtic” white horses painted on the hillsides in the west of England (nudge nudge wink wink there too!)

        What puzzled me with the coin-counterfeiting man was he had been meticulous in his work. He made his coin moulds by copying the faces of the coins shown in photographs published in the official coin catalogues composed by Seaby’s. And he made a good enough job of it that his coins were accepted for sale in international auctions. So how and why did he get caught? Well in hindsight, wearing my fakeology spectacles, I would guess the Celtic coins that he fabricated never existed in the first place! Which the professional numismatists and expert auctioneers knew only too well!

        I can however vouch that Byzantium coinage did reach England, and was clearly in common circulation. In which chronological era that coinage was actually in use is another matter altogether. That’s the big question that Fomenko poses. History might not be fake as such, but the Chronology certainly is.

        Last night, re-reading the 4th book in Fomenko’s History: Fiction or Science series (see below), it would seem the Byzantine period in English history, could have been ‘folded’ over the top of, let’s say, the Plantaganets. To illustrate, Fomenko shows some very strange coinage of “Henry I” of England. The inscription on the coinage which is described as “illegible” by so-called numismatic experts, is definitely not in the Latin alphabet; which it should have been for that alleged era of English history. Fomenko points out that the lettering is strikingly Cyrillic in appearance. Meaning it came from the Slavic east of Europe. A fact that could very much undermine our official history of Kings & Queens of England; pretty much a mainstay education for every pitiful schoolchild!

        i.imgur.com/e3VwFNB.png

        The first four of the seven books in Fomenko’s History: Fiction or Science are available in English as PDFs from here:

        pialogue.info/books/

        This is another great thread. Hopefully babette will continue to participate in the Fake Chronology discussions. We chatted in the Teamspeak lobby and she has some fascinating information and insights to share.

    2. Curious

      @psyopticon

      That probably means that the famous Roman monument Hadrian’s Wall, an eighty mile stone monolith, supposedly built c.122AD by Roman Emperor Hadrian, to keep the Picts/Scots out of England, couldn’t possibly have been built by Hadrian! If the Wall is of any age at all, and not just a Victorian fake built by over-enthusiastic archaeologists, it’s probably at best mediaeval in origin.

      Yep, you forgot to mention that it had also some inscriptions: this is the border, you are entering dangerous territorium. Joking, that wall had to stop an army? They will have had a big smile.

      About Fomenko. His timescale is in the moment towards the 16 a 17 century.
      The situation with A.T. Fomenko got that worse that “they ” wanted to put him in a mental institute. As reaktion A.T. Fomenko offered $ 10.000,— wordt prove him wrong ( History and timescale)

      www.chronologia.org/en/index.h… Fomenko’s website.

  3. Curious

    The “real”old Rom was Constantinople ( Istanbul). The first bunch of Popes lived in Avignon ( which looked very Tibetan, according to some researchers , Pfister, Uwe Topper etc) For what reaons ever they decided to move to a place what is called Rom ( Italian) to day. Which is after 1500 a 1600 AD. See Pfister.

    3 Years ago they started up with spraying chemtrails. Since 1 1/2 Year I haven’t seen a normal blue sky. I live in the neighbourhood from Eindhoven, Holland.
    Chemtrails is a fact.

    1. babette

      Curious, I really wish I could talk with you.

      “The Western Great Schism: Two Popes at One Time” also contains interesting info.
      At one time there were 3 Popes! I’ve always had a keen interest in the history of the Papacy and the Roman Emperors.

      Re. chemtrails: The spraying program over all NATO countries (except Toronto) has been ongoing for 15 + years with a noticeable increase in the last 5 years. Mainstream news explains we must learn to live under paler blue skies. Snotty white would be more accurate.

      Groet

      1. Curious

        @ Babette

        At one time there were 3 Popes! I’ve always had a keen interest in the history of the Papacy and the Roman Emperors.

        Be very carefull with this kind of stories. They are used as a “smokescreen”
        Book from Dr. C Pfister: Die Matrix der alten Geschichte is a good source as a start, when you can understand the German language.
        Everything what happened before 1700 is a complete fabrication. The period afterwards not much better.

        Thanks for the compliment, but I don’t know that much.

        1. babette

          Thanks for your reply, Curious. Firstly, one must accept that “everything that happened before 1700 ….’

          I’m a neophyte on this topic. I fell upon it perhaps 3 months ago and haven’t had much time to devote to it other than Daicu and Fomenko vids and a couple of discussions with an equally interested friend who has done a bit of reading on the subject.

          I will try to find the time to check Pfister.

          Thanks again!

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