Black Frosting 

Be the 1st to vote.

M2 fans may be happy to note that Miles Mathis says that the earth is flat meme is a to discredit debunkers.

He also calls out Russianvids as the most popular disinfo baker on the topic. 

Paper

 Here is the project: they want to make you think that the only people questioning or exposing or

SpaceX are Flat Earthers or other obvious kooks. So they surround any real analysis with tons of fake

analysis that resembles the real analysis in most ways. They then add a layer of black frosting to the

fake analysis. This frosting is now most often Flat Earth stuff, but it could be a frosting of

promotion or Satanism or anything else that most people find a complete turn-off. Most people will

then refuse the cake because of the frosting. They will refuse the Flat Earth, and in doing so will refuse

the exposing of SpaceX or NASA.

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Allancw
Allan Weisbecker(@allancw)
5 years ago

I find ‘Miles Mathis’ — whoever/whatever ‘he’ is — to be an intensely interesting entity. My interest and observations got me banned from CF yesterday (or the day before) when I came to the evidenced-based conclusion that CF, like MM, is likely an op. One of the interesting aspects of my experience is Simon Shack’s behavior. In a post, he reproduced a private email I sent him and simultaneously banned me from replying. (The email was sarcastic; I sent it to him privately b/c he was so silent on the thread. The ‘PS’ is pure irony. That Shack would do… Read more »

Vespadouglas
Vespadouglas(@vespadouglas)
5 years ago

Brandon Some people coming to Fakeologist seem to enjoy talking about a particular, unwavering mindset that some members here are alleged to have. Fakeologist. IMO is less a gathering of people, more a place where people gather. Thanks to ab I’m able to chat with a variety of people from all over the world who think Fakery ( a word that is slowly being killed off) is pretty much everywhere. Even here. Maybe abs the psyop? Doubtful, Yes! Definitely not. No. My point is, being suspicious of someones possible motives, someones opinion or someones connections and voicing opinion on it… Read more »

Willard
Willard(@willard)
5 years ago
Reply to  Vespadouglas

@ Vespadouglas and Brandon, may we have a peace treaty please? I am willing to concede that RV may be some sort of controlled op but I am not as certain as I am the MM is bad news. I am willing to absorb any criticism. My only defense is to say that I must be circumspect and if that troubles anyone, so be it. I bear no animosity toward anyone. Unreal wrote, “…I’m most interested in the mechanics of this probable operation, …” Read more: fakeologist.com/blog/2016/08/2… Ab has said that there is no instruction manual on deconstructing fakeology. In… Read more »

stephen
stephen
5 years ago
Reply to  Vespadouglas

Vespers, I’d go further and suspect that the whole Mod-Thing was, from its inception, scripted. A fabricated part of the journey, that social change Op we call The Sixties. Some notes: In this reading I’d say Elvis and his satellites were the beginning, the prep for lift-off with JFK and The Beatles and landing Armstrong on the Moon for the fade. Which is not to say the music around the Moderns is anything other than good to excellent, because it is. Like I do about Beatles, Beach Boys, Byrds, Dylan and his Rolling Stones, I wonder who the writers were… Read more »

Vespadouglas
Vespadouglas(@vespadouglas)
5 years ago

Apologies Brandon. 7 attendees not 10. Presumably 7/8 expected attendees meant the vacant seat belonged to the unwelcome CF member. Did Miles elaborate on the reasoning for the short numbers. It’s quite remarkable that 2/7 of the lucky ones pop up here shortly after. Did Mark mention fakeologist to you at the conference, he being an existing member here. Its quite strange that you entered the thread without a nod to Mark, with whom you recently spent the best part of a working week with. You must’ve got a little friendly in such a small office type environment. Annoying habits… Read more »

Georgeorwell
Brandon(@georgeorwell)
5 years ago
Reply to  Vespadouglas

No need to apologize… I was simply clarifying the number, because at the time, I incorrectly assumed that you were asking me questions out of legitimate curiosity, and that you hadn’t already formed an opinion of me after I was “outed” by Mark. Btw… am I to assume that if Mark had disagreed with me, that it would have somehow validated my comments?! Yes, it’s possible that two people who relate the same general experience are part of a coordinated effort to fool you and others here. It’s also possible that we actually both had a relatively similar experience. You… Read more »

Georgeorwell
Brandon(@georgeorwell)
5 years ago
Reply to  Vespadouglas

Also, to answer your questions… My first comment was on the 26th, and I believe Mark’s was on the 27th. Please correct me if I’m wrong. As soon as I read his comment and realized it was the Mark from the conference, I did acknowledge him. He did not bring up or mention fakeologist.com during the conference, that I remember, and I didn’t know he was an existing member here. I didn’t even know one could become a “member” here, to be honest. I feel badly for him and wish he hadn’t decided to try to confirm what I was… Read more »

Willard
Willard(@willard)
5 years ago

Is it me, or has the redoubtable Miles Mathis “upped his game” in the past several months? His essays no longer have the glaring non-sequiturs we once enjoyed [see MM’s Ted Bundy and Paul McCartney essays]. * But ’tis no matter: MM broached the topic of Russianvids. Anyone who has delved into Russianvids series this past summer on the occult significance of “44” , the color orange and the sinister “777”s embedded in the conga line of summer PSYOPS, will garner a certain smug delight in the following press conference by Dallas Police Chief David Brown @ 21min mark [7+7+7=777=21]… Read more »

Tom-Dalpra
Tom-Dalpra(@tom)
5 years ago
Reply to  Willard

Willard said – ”Mr. Mathis, by questioning Russianvids, you overplayed your hand.” The thing is, 250,000 views per youtube, ABC Australia promoted Russian vids is full of crap himself. Much as he talks about plenty of interesting things based on reality as Miles Mathis does, he makes pains to relentlessly quote from the Bible and attach the blatant strawmen of Hicks-is-Jones and Kennedy-is-Carter to his research, for example. It doesn’t take a genius to work out that Russianvids ‘isn’t the full biscuit’, so to speak, regardless of whether he’s doing it on purpose, or not. Mathis is the same. Glaring… Read more »

Tokarski
Mark Tokarski(@tokarski)
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom-Dalpra

I took photos of our TV screen of the character “Noel Snow” in the movie that Mathis wrote about, Let Him Be. There is a musical scene towards the end that provided some front-on views. While it was clear he was wearing a wig (you can see the glue line), I was able to split that face with a younger Lennon based on pupil distance. It is Lennon. He was alive in 2008. Of that I a sure. The match was dead-on. However, I think Mathis did err in asserting that the character Mark Staycer is also John Lennon. The… Read more »

Jaketfs
jake(@jaketfs)
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom-Dalpra

Tom, these are the same two issues I have with these guys, good call.

Georgeorwell
Brandon(@georgeorwell)
5 years ago

Barbara & Unreal, Just thought I’d throw my 2 cents in about Miles Mathis. He’s definitely a real person. I attended his conference, in his home in Taos, earlier this month. He’s not an egomaniac, or a weirdo or anything. He’s just a very intelligent, somewhat reclusive guy, who spends most of his time on his art and his research. Having read all of his art/conspiracy/cultural papers, and some of his physics stuff, I have no problem believing that the same person wrote them all. The style, tone, and sense of humor remains constant… and he is constantly referring back… Read more »

UNreal
UNreal(@unreal)
5 years ago
Reply to  Brandon

 brandon: If you actually went to MM’s 4th annual conference, you have already thrown in more than 2cents, more like $400, not counting food and accommodation. • Cluesforum member “allancw” was not lucky enough to be allowed in on the WE you were attending, but he did do a word-count on MM’s singlehanded output: 1,500 words a day so far in 2016, seven days a week. When do you reckon Miles Mathis does all his artwork and research ? Out of curiosity, i have not seen your signature much on this website. What is your general view of media fakery… Read more »

stephen
stephen
5 years ago
Reply to  UNreal

In England we say “two pennies worth”, and here’s mine. First coming across The Miles Mathis thought “I don’t know what to make of him”. He brought up fakes I’d never considered, I think maybe it was him who got me wondering on the reality of WW2 and looking, a bit, into old-style Hollywood special effects. But he/it produces far too much stuff for one guy, and what he does produce has a strange unsatisfying quality. The thing that stuck out as dodgy, from the very beginning, were his paintings; they are really bad! The type that competent Illustrators used… Read more »

Tokarski
Mark Tokarski(@tokarski)
5 years ago
Reply to  UNreal

I attended the same conference for four of the five days. Brandon is dead-on in his analysis. I was not being sneaky or anything, but was answering for myself the question is MM real. He is just as Brandon describes, reclusive, funny, hard-working, honest and insightful. My take on the guy: a man of high intelligence, good heart, and utter sincerity.

Georgeorwell
Brandon(@georgeorwell)
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark Tokarski

Hi Mark!
How are you?
We were disappointed that you didn’t make it on Friday.
Hope all is well with you!
-Brandon

Georgeorwell
Brandon(@georgeorwell)
5 years ago
Reply to  UNreal

Unreal, Well, the 2 cents was for you, the $400 was for Miles. Not sure what your point is about the money, but if you are concerned, don’t be. My girlfriend used to live in Santa Fe, and we love that part of the country, so spending a week in Taos was a nice vacation for us. I’m sorry that “allancw” wasn’t invited to attend the conference. Miles told us that he limits the attendees to 8, and that he didn’t want people who would hijack the group. He is inviting people into his own home, and I defer to… Read more »

UNreal
UNreal(@unreal)
5 years ago
Reply to  Brandon

 brandon — Appreciate your detailed response and 2 cents. • As you might understand as a fellow Fakeologist and Cluesforum follower, i’m not convinced of MM’s existence nor of you discovering this post by happenstance* and be so lucky to demonstratively handshake fellow MM attendee** “Mark Tokarski” in this very comment-section. • Culture creation relies heavily on witnesses accounts and from the research gathered on this site we most commonly find that these entities have the same stories, use the same vocabulary and present an uncanny agreement upon the events. Kind of what i’ve heard so far from the tree… Read more »

Georgeorwell
Brandon(@georgeorwell)
5 years ago
Reply to  UNreal

Unreal, I’m confused about what you think is going on here, or who you think I am, exactly. If I’d used an expression other than “happened to,” would you be more likely to believe me? Would it have made a difference if I’d said, “I periodically browse the articles here at Fakeologist.com, and saw one about Miles Mathis. I’m interested in Miles Mathis, so I decided to read it. When I saw in the comments section, that people were questioning the existence of MM, I decided to share my experience of having met him in person, in case anyone was… Read more »

UNreal
UNreal(@unreal)
5 years ago
Reply to  Brandon

 brandon • Appreciate your comment, and you are right about most of your assumptions. I guess i’d be less critical if you were contributing on more topics on the site or offered more than just your word and polite, skillful manner to express yourself. • As stated in previous posts, i suspect that MM is a controlled conspiracy media outlet. I’ve seen supportive commentary quite often whenever an intelligence operation is attacked, be it here on fakeologist or elsewhere. Your own and Mark Tokarski’s endorsements with similar, coordinated messages is quite common for protecting an active operation as i suspect… Read more »

Georgeorwell
Brandon(@georgeorwell)
5 years ago
Reply to  UNreal

Unreal, thanks for being up front about your rigidity of opinion. I guess that explains why you weren’t willing to specifically address any points I brought up in any of my responses. You weren’t really interested in my responses, other than looking for clues that would “out” me as a fake. Obviously, I can’t retroactively contribute to topics here. Perhaps I will going forward, if my contributions are welcome. You mentioned me “offering more” in support of my experience, and I ask again, what could possibly sway you or open your mind to the possibility that I attended a conference… Read more »

Georgeorwell
Brandon(@georgeorwell)
5 years ago
Reply to  Brandon

btw… while I can’t be convinced that I didn’t attend a conference earlier this month, hosted by someone claiming to be MM, I am open to hearing your reasons that you believe he is fake, or controlled, or his work is written by a committee, etc. It is possible that I took part in some sort of elaborate hoax, and that great lengths were gone through to fool me in order to get $400 from me, and make me look stupid. I’m assuming that since you have been suspicious of MM for quite some time, that you have an accumulation… Read more »

stephen
stephen
5 years ago
Reply to  Brandon

The B-52’s – “Love Shack” (Official Music Video): www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SOryJ… Another two penn’orth from me. MM Fanboy Brandon is right when he wonders what evidence can he supply… how a photo will prove anything. Brandon cannot do anything because he can lie. It’s that simple, he can fake. This is the point I’ve made about audio appearances here, I can lie just as easily with my voice as I can with text. That’s what actors do, they also do it visually on screen. Photo’s can easily be faked, staged, so can events. Even meeting a person means little because they can,… Read more »

Marin
Marin
5 years ago
Reply to  stephen

The page “Miles Williams Mathis” does not exist. You can ask for it to be created, but consider checking the search results below to see whether the topic is already covered. This according to good old Wikipedia.

I got the feeling that this raises some questions.

stephen
stephen
5 years ago
Reply to  stephen

To any Moderns of taste out there in fake-o-land. I would never-ever call, what I would call classic, Motown “fluff”; and many-many times stuff is commercially successful because it is superior; still I whole heartedly agree there’re gems just below the surface.

Why not pop these more obscure quick-pick Souly randoms if it’s your bag?

“Nat Phillips – I’m Sorry I Hurt You”:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAz4ji…

“I’m Gonna Stay – Mary Wells 45 rpm!”:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3kB73…

“Jimmy Winston & His Reflections – Sorry She’s Mine – 1966 45rpm”:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUlSu5…

“Henry Shed – Somethings Drastically Wrong”:

stephen
stephen
5 years ago
Reply to  stephen

But Ab you like Radio Rollo, he plays “tunes”? Most every music-link I post comments in some way on what I’m writing. If you don’t understand the language you’ll miss what is being said. Maybe you don’t care. That post above, a throw away nothing special, “To Moderns in Fake-Land”, was in reply to a Scooter Douglas’s [ fr.urbandictionary.com/define…. ], [should that be VD], comment in Chatango. But if you don’t realise that a language is alluding across media, platforms, levels, history, you will not understand what is being said. So maybe it attempts a little lesson. “Diagnosis of Venereal… Read more »

UNreal
UNreal(@unreal)
5 years ago
Reply to  Brandon

 brandon — What you offer to sustain MM’s credibility is your word as it is, and you can therefore not objectively invalidate my general observations or suspicion. • Your summary of my viewpoints and your analysis are mostly to the point. However i’m not criticizing MM for his (possibly) good looks, just that this feature seem scripted if/as he’s stage-managed to the aspirations of an independent alternative researcher. As for MM’s artworks, i’m not saying they’re terrible, just that they’re average and not really “à propos” in todays art. I’m not implying MM is obnoxious either, this issue is quite… Read more »

Barbm124
Barbara Müller(@barbm124)
5 years ago
Reply to  UNreal

one of MM’s main points is, that all the modern art in painting, music sculpturing, etc, is a CIA project. He’s painting realistic which may look old fashioned. But how do you decide about the quality of his paintings? Do you compare them to modern paintings? Do you compare them to other realistic painters? Which ones? Can you do better? 🙂 Realistic paintings require much more work and skills than modern art. Do you agree? Photographs of paintings do not give the whole impression of the quality of painting. Ever been in Louvre? He maybe even better then he is… Read more »

Georgeorwell
Brandon(@georgeorwell)
5 years ago

Barbara, I agree with you about Miles’ art. I realize that not everyone appreciates it, but I think it is very good. Also, seeing it in person, is *much* more impressive than just looking at the little photos on his website. Btw… to anyone here that is honestly interested in seeing MM’s art, my impression is that he is more than willing to show people his “studio”, which is just his house, as most of his art is hanging throughout it. I know that most people aren’t inclined to travel to Taos, just to see MMs art, and/or meet the… Read more »

UNreal
UNreal(@unreal)
5 years ago

@Barbara Müller — Yes the CIA have of course been active in art related projects and movements. This does not mean that the CIA is behind all of contemporary art, far from it. The most enslaved are those who falsely believe they are free. Most devoted artist are quite unfamiliar/uninterested with the politics and intelligence work of this world in my experience. – There are approximately 400 schools of art in Europe alone, and if we admit they all have at least 1 graduating class of 20 students each we have 8000 new qualified artists every year in Europe alone.… Read more »

stephen
stephen
5 years ago

I agree that good paintings are far richer in reality, but so too are many paintings/prints far better in reproduction. If one cannot see that Mathis’s paintings are good illustrations at best, and nothing more, then it’s because you haven’t looked-listened, or you appreciate very little about Art. This again shows the low standards that so much of Truther World considers acceptable, the culture that they inhabit. The idea that modern Art requires less work or skill than ye-olde-worlde is absurd. I wont spend any real time on this comment because, as I say, if you aren’t up to the… Read more »

Georgeorwell
Brandon(@georgeorwell)
5 years ago
Reply to  UNreal

Unreal, Thank you for you response, I appreciate it. I guess I’d like to point out that, while I agree that all I have to offer regarding MM’s credibility is my word, I assume that you knew that going into this lengthy conversation. Why engage with me for so long? Was this a game or exercise for you? Why all the questions, that you clearly wouldn’t have accepted any answers to? The whole reason I commented on this article in the first place was that I noticed that people were commenting on the possibility of MM being a fake person,… Read more »

UNreal
UNreal(@unreal)
5 years ago
Reply to  Brandon

 brandon — It would be unfair of you to judge this site and its members by comments made in a thread where you have put out your very own testimony. You are not a mere commenter on this topic, and to expect other researchers to be uncritical about your personal testimony would not be reasonable. All commenters are treated respectfully on this site in my experience, and so will you on topics where you do not play an active part. I honestly can’t see why you insist on being victimized and hint at being badly treated as to not come… Read more »

Barbm124
Barbara Müller(@barbm124)
5 years ago
Reply to  UNreal

dear UNreal, the two comments “allancw” gave in the cluesforum contained 1795 words in total and took 20 min of his precious time. So Miles Mathis can easily write 1500 words per day especially if he does not have to care for family, children, job, etc. That “allancw” character is much more suspicious to me that MM is. I still wish, MM or other people could post some recent pictures of him, not that I believe that much in the reality of pictures, but still. I understand why he’s feeling alienated in cluesforum and not reacting to calls from other… Read more »

UNreal
UNreal(@unreal)
5 years ago

@Barbara Müller — MM is supposed to only write part-time as he is, & claim to be, a painter & physicist/ mathematician as well. All these skills must be practiced on a regular basis*. Writing 10.500 words a week as a part time endeavor** is quite exceptional***. — *most probably daily as witnessed from other polymaths **I’m familiar with artists and quite frankly it is time consuming. Research also takes lots of time, and much more time than just writing down your opinion down for a comment. The topics covered are also very diverse, which does not facilitate the writing,… Read more »

Barbm124
Barbara Müller(@barbm124)
5 years ago
Reply to  UNreal

again I don’t care that much about the person Miles Mathis. His papers seem to be correct and consistent. That’s all, what matters to me. You have to find holes in his findings to debunk him and not holes in his life. That amount of text he is producing does not impress me much. He with the time developed methods of researching certain things, knows where to look, collects notes, refers to his own older findings. Its perfectly imaginable to me he writes all of it himself and still has time to think, paint and read. Just look for flaws… Read more »

Georgeorwell
Brandon(@georgeorwell)
5 years ago
Reply to  UNreal

Unreal, After 4 days of trying to honestly engage with you and others, I’m (at the least) entitled to judge the experience I’ve had. Again, it’s not the criticism or disagreement I object to at all… it’s that I’ve assumed that the folks asking me questions here, and engaging with me, were doing so in good faith. It now seems clear to me that I was “outed” here once Mark stood up for me, so… what was the point of all this? I ask you again… why did you continue to engage with me? I never said that I wouldn’t… Read more »

UNreal
UNreal(@unreal)
5 years ago
Reply to  Brandon

 brandon — It would be more fitting to qualify your role and participation in this post as a testimony rather than mere commenting, but i see you insist on the angle of being an “outed” member. That’s a bit repetitive, but this emphasis could well serve to discourage other newcomers from participating on the site (as well as justify slandering i’d guess). – As the comment section of this post slowly becomes bloated and unreadable, i suppose our recent observations might be moot points by now. Maybe a forum thread could be devoted to the MM attendees as 28% of… Read more »

Georgeorwell
Brandon(@georgeorwell)
5 years ago
Reply to  UNreal

I meant your opinion of me… not of MM. The question was in reference to you calling me out on forming an opinion about my experience here. I was making the point that I was expecting open-minded conversation, and that if people were engaging with me, I assumed that there was a point behind it that could potentially benefit both parties. In reality, it seems like people had already formed their conclusions about me almost immediately, and I was asking you for some understanding about how after 4 days of this, I might be allowed to start making up my… Read more »

UNreal
UNreal(@unreal)
5 years ago
Reply to  Brandon

 brandon — Ok, i thought you alluded to how long it took me to have an opinion on MM. Regarding forming my opinion on your testimony on MM’s conference, i was sceptic from previous research and still am regarding the conferences/meetings. Regarding you as a person, i don’t know you but hold your writing in regard as well as many of your arguments. You seem knowledgable, and i understand you are a person, just like Miles likely is (still don’t trust he’s a one man show or earn a living from paintings). – As to why i answer your postings… Read more »

Georgeorwell
Brandon(@georgeorwell)
5 years ago
Reply to  UNreal

I think we still are having a bit of a miss-communication issue, but that’s okay, there is no need to press the issue or say any more. Ultimately, I stand by the comments I’ve contributed, for what they are worth to anyone. I have no allusions that I have changed anyone’s mind, but perhaps neutral readers, who may be lurking, can find something of value in our exchange. I’ve answered all questions honestly, and I hope that comes across to anyone who is reading this. I’m not sure what chatting about this topic would accomplish, and I’m not concerned with… Read more »

Georgeorwell
Brandon(@georgeorwell)
5 years ago
Reply to  Brandon

Unreal, Sorry… but I had just a few more thought’s to pass your way, if you don’t mind. 1. Doesn’t it seem like the people who coordinate these collective efforts (promoting fake people or fake events) would know better by now that having multiple people show up on threads like this, is a huge red flag? I mean, I’m assuming these people are reasonably intelligent, or, at the very least, able to learn from past mistakes… so why keep doing something that they know is such an obvious red-flag to fakeologist members? I’m certain (like you) that these operations do… Read more »

Georgeorwell
Brandon(@georgeorwell)
5 years ago
Reply to  Brandon

And to elaborate on point 4, because I believe it is an important one. First off, I was teasing about Willard being part of a coordinated effort to support my reality. I said it to point out that you are being selective in the evidence you are choosing to pay attention to. As far as I know Willard is a true and honest fakeologist. It seems to me that he felt like he was laying some sort of trap for me, based on the fact that two years ago, I didn’t understand that 9/11 was a completely fake event. The… Read more »

UNreal
UNreal(@unreal)
5 years ago
Reply to  Brandon

 brandon — I feel like i’m being as much questioned in this thread as are you, Brandon. I commented in this thread as to offer my opinion on Miles Mathis and i hope it is explicit. I believe MM is an intelligence operation*, possibly fronted by a real person (or not). While commenting in the thread, i came across your testimony (and Mark’s) as you both claim to have been to the latest MM conference recently. I’m also skeptical of the conference as such, and by interference to your and Mark’s testimony and person/role. It is of course both possible… Read more »

Georgeorwell
Brandon(@georgeorwell)
5 years ago
Reply to  Brandon

Unreal, Fair points, and I respect your stance. I just like to point out that me posting on Dave McGowan’s page wasn’t “coincidental” at all. In fact I told that very truth in one of my very first responses to you as part of my “conspiracy biography” so to speak. The coincidental part, from my perspective, is that a fellow fakeologist just “happened” to remember me from a year and a half ago. What are the odds that fakeologist Willard was commenting on both this thread, the same time I was… and he remembered me from a different site, so… Read more »

Willard
Willard(@willard)
5 years ago
Reply to  UNreal

 Unreal, my blood ran cold when I read what your comment here”…I’ve seen supportive commentary quite often whenever an intelligence operation is attacked, be it here on fakeologist or elsewhere. Your own and Mark Tokarski’s endorsements with similar, coordinated messages is quite common for protecting an active operation as i suspect (and have suspected for quite some time) MM to be. < Anyone familiar with Dave McGowan's Weird Scenes Facebook page would know of an entity there named "Nathan Andrew". A strident, at times embarrassing supporter of McGowan, he disappeared without comment [as far as I know] once McGowan's terminal… Read more »

UNreal
UNreal(@unreal)
5 years ago
Reply to  Willard

 willard — Quite impressed by the fact you were able to recognize new Fakeologist member Brandon from Dave McGowans facebook page. If my commentary helped you on the way even better! – To be able to make a living as a conspiracy author in a very restrained field is close to impossible, so in this aspect Dave McGowen’s story makes a lot of sense (he was a building contractor). If we for the arguments sake would suppose both MM and McGowen are intelligence operations, they have this element in common, to establish a credible/viable livelihood as their authorship would prove… Read more »

Georgeorwell
Brandon(@georgeorwell)
5 years ago
Reply to  Fakeologist

ab, I’m happy to share details, and answer any questions, if you are curious. Basically, it was an informal get-together at Miles’ house in Taos, NM. The group met from approximately 10am – 5 pm, Monday through Friday. Miles generally had physics topics planned for discussion (based on his more recent papers), and he would lead the discussion, but attendees were free to interject and/or ask questions. The “conspiracy” talk was more fluid and less structured. As you can imagine, when you get a group of strangers together, everyone has a different area of interest or knowledge, so the discussion… Read more »

Vespadouglas
Vespadouglas(@vespadouglas)
5 years ago
Reply to  Brandon

Hi Brandon.

Would you consider yourself to be Miles’ student?
Did you and the other “students” retire, in any way collectively, of an evening?
Are you a fakeologist?
Would you say that any of the other students are fakeologists?
Did you go by yourself or in company?

I hope you don’t find these questions too intrusive.
Slante.
VD

Georgeorwell
Brandon(@georgeorwell)
5 years ago
Reply to  Vespadouglas

VD, I wouldn’t call myself his student. I’ve been interested in his papers, and I admire his research. Based on a handful of email interactions I’d had with him, I tended to trust him. One of the reasons I decided to try and attend his conference was to form a more complete opinion/picture of him… as well as to have a chance to discuss fake events, in person, with like-minded people. What I mean is… part of the draw of Miles’ conference was meeting the other attendees (or students, as you call them). I’m not sure what you mean by… Read more »

Georgeorwell
Brandon(@georgeorwell)
5 years ago
Reply to  Fakeologist

ab, I get the sense that you are trying to determine if I am “real”, not that you are particularly interested in the details of the conference. As you can imagine, over the course of approximately 35 hours together, a lot of topics were covered. As far as physics was concerned, Miles wanted to focus on his papers over the past year, since he covered the earlier ones in previous conferences. Frankly, the physics talk was mostly over my head. I found it interesting, and I could follow the basic concepts, but my background in physics is limited. As far… Read more »

Vespadouglas
Vespadouglas(@vespadouglas)
5 years ago
Reply to  Brandon

Thanks
I’m using the term, student because that’s what MM himself calls you.

By Fakeologist I mean –
No planes / no terror.
Vicsims.
No space travel.
Controlled media.
Controlled governments.
Recognising Cluesforum.info as one of, (if not) , the most important research tool on the Internet.

By ” retire collectively ” I meant , did you socialise/dine out etc with other students away from Miles.

Georgeorwell
Brandon(@georgeorwell)
5 years ago
Reply to  Vespadouglas

Ah, I understand. I think you are referring to the link that ab posted where Miles announced his second physics conference? That was from a couple of years ago. The only conference I have attended was his most recent one, a few weeks ago. Miles opened up the discussion to include fake events, which is why I even bothered to ask him about possibly attending. I didn’t want my lack of physics background to be an issue. Perhaps when he was focusing entirely on physics, Miles thought of the dynamic as more of a student/teacher one? He never referred to… Read more »

Willard
Willard(@willard)
5 years ago
Reply to  Brandon

Brandon brandon,
did you know anyone who died on 911?

Vespadouglas
Vespadouglas(@vespadouglas)
5 years ago
Reply to  Brandon

Not so much “conclusions” to be drawn, more, getting an idea of the type of a typical MM follower.
From 10 attendees you seem to be the only one who understands fakery.The rest of the group being ” open to conspiracies” , at best, tells me a bit about Maths. Put 10 fakeo’s or 10 CF followers in the same town for five days.

Georgeorwell
Brandon(@georgeorwell)
5 years ago
Reply to  Brandon

Vespadouglas, Just to clarify, there were 7 attendees at the conference. Miles told us that 8 were accepted (that’s his limit), but that one person backed out at the last minute. I’m not sure I would say that I “understand fakery” better than anyone else that attended. I’m still learning and trying to figure things out. It was a diverse group, as far as topics of interest was concerned, but when the conversation steered toward fake events/conspiracies, there was definitely open and interesting discussion. I was actually surprised at how much time we spent on those ideas, compared to the… Read more »

Georgeorwell
Brandon(@georgeorwell)
5 years ago
Reply to  Brandon

Willard,
No, I don’t know anyone who died on 9/11, or during any other “terror event.”
Do you?

Willard
Willard(@willard)
5 years ago
Reply to  Brandon

Brandon brandon, thank you for answering my question.
do you know anyone who knew someone who died on 911?

By the way, may I ask what your opinion is of the late Dave McGowan?

Georgeorwell
Brandon(@georgeorwell)
5 years ago
Reply to  Brandon

Willard, Seems like I’m being asked a lot of questions… but most folks here seem reluctant to show me the courtesy of answering mine. I’ll ask again. Do you know anyone who died on 9/11 or in any other terror event? As for Dave McGowan. I mentioned him in one of my responses to the many questions posed by Unreal, but I’ll elaborate for you. I enjoyed visiting/reading Dave’s website. His deconstruction of the Boston Marathon Bombing was really my first exposure to (what I considered) convincing evidence of a fake/manufactured event. I think his series on the Moon Landings… Read more »

Willard
Willard(@willard)
5 years ago
Reply to  Brandon

@ Brandon, sorry, I wasn’t trying to be rude….just delicate.
I do not know anyone who died on 911. However, I seem to remember, I could be wrong, a fellow from Dave McGowan’s Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon Facebook page who defended Miles Mathis as a real person. The person’s name was Brandon PostalService, who, if memory serves me right, said he worked in the airline industry and worked with people who died on 911. They were his co-workers who worked on one of the airplanes that crashed in New York, etc.
Do you smell what I am cooking?

Georgeorwell
Brandon(@georgeorwell)
5 years ago
Reply to  Brandon

Willard, Yes, that was me who posted on Dave’s weird scenes page. I’m not sure why you need to be delicate. I did stick up for MM a few times on that site, though I think I did it somewhat diplomatically. I was a relatively new reader of MM at the time, and didn’t have as firm of an opinion about him as I do now. I also stuck up for Dave in an email I sent to MM. Both of those guys seemed not to trust each other, and since I liked them both, it kind of bothered me,… Read more »