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Unreal
5 years ago

Sport is in its professional sense part of major public performances and constitute one of the most potent arenas for various sorts of propaganda. In order to create maximum attention and excitement around sports events, we must suspect the Elite to make full use of all the tricks in the book. – In selling the game of boxing, it seems the most potent ingredients are danger, sweat, blood and ultimately – death. It is difficult to avoid that one of the main attractions of boxing is the element of severe bodily harm, which in many cases have been proven to… Read more »

Unreal
5 years ago

If there still is some doubt about the nature of professional boxing, i’d recommend observing some ring entrances – difficult to consider these global events to be anything else than a well staged show – theatre for the masses – the boxing included. It just makes no sense to plan everything in a show EXCEPT the main event….which is the blood and tears in the square ring.

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TOP 10 GREATEST RING WALKS IN BOXING HISTORY
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John le Bon
John le Bon
5 years ago
Reply to  Unreal

“It just makes no sense to plan everything in a show EXCEPT the main event” This is like saying that ‘it makes no sense for TPTB to plan everything except the way you live your life’ i.e. you have no agency and it is all predetermined’. Fans of logic will note that while it may sound smart in a rhetorical sense, your line is in fact a non sequitur, a logical fallacy. The fight itself is between two men in a ‘ring’. Everything else is a stage-managed show, but the fight itself is what people are there for, and anybody… Read more »

antipodean
antipodean
5 years ago
Reply to  John le Bon

Not to forget Cricket & it’s spread betting. Some players have even been given jail time.

Tom Dalpra
Tom Dalpra
5 years ago
Reply to  John le Bon

Hello. Self-appointed Fakeologist sports correspondent Tom Dalpra here. I heard something about ‘fake’ sport. I enjoyed listening to John and Denni’s conversation. With what I’ve come to understand, my perspective at this point is more the UNreal position . ”It just makes no sense to plan everything in a show EXCEPT the main event”. Obviously by nature, sport is supposed to be a fixture, but the actual game is supposed to be real. With mainstream sport ( as with so much else ) we find the con is very simply, that the game is fixed too. ‘They’ just don’t tell… Read more »

John le Bon
John le Bon
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Dalpra

@Tom Dalpra, we seem to be in furious agreement on the central issue here: No, we don’t know exactly ‘how’ these major sporting (media) events are planned. No, we don’t. If it makes us feel better we can pretend that we do, but the reality is that we do not. How do you know people aren’t making money betting on fixed sport, John ? I am referring to people like ZKH and others who claim to have been able to ‘crack the code’ (or whatever). Until we see them putting their money where their mouths are, before the events they… Read more »

Unreal
5 years ago
Reply to  Unreal

Fans of logic will note that while it may sound smart in a rhetorical sense, your line is in fact a non sequitur, a logical fallacy. There is no invalid argument (non sequitur) in the statement that ‘it makes no sense to plan and script everything in a show except the main event’. You might disagree with my point of view, but your analogy to “how you live your life” is not an appropriate rebuttal or context to my argument nor a valid claim regarding professional sports events. – From your post i take it that you might not be… Read more »

John le Bon
John le Bon
5 years ago
Reply to  Unreal

Of course there are fixes in sports. What we do not not know is which events are fixed and to what degree each event is fixed. In the Australian professional sport league I follow most closely, the AFL, it is clear that certain teams are given favourable umpiring and tribunal decisions. The favoured teams may vary somewhat from game to game and season to season, but it happens. Does this mean that each game is scripted down to the final score i.e. team 1 is told to score 107 and team 2 is told to score 87? No. The league… Read more »

Unreal
5 years ago
Reply to  Unreal

Perhaps you are not currently capable of thinking beyond simple binaries. So long as you are happy, and you seem happy enough, I won’t try to argue the point with you any further. Simple binaries help a certain type of mind. What part in “the question is more how many fights are fixed rather than if this is possible at all” is it that you are not able to understand? Where do i state fights are 100% controlled or fixed? – Also you portray me as i’m of the opinion every celebrity or actor to be EGI which is just… Read more »

Terran Downvale
Terran Downvale
5 years ago

I haven’t had a chance to listen to this yet but I just wanted to direct JLB and anyone interested to my recent post on the EGI thread regarding Oscar De La Hoya’s comments about the fight being a “fraud.” I noticed what could be some esoteric hinting at the topic of EGI, whether it be an admission, false lead or me just reading too much into things.

John le Bon
John le Bon
5 years ago

@Terran I will be in touch privately soon, and apologise for how long it has taken me to respond to your PM’s regarding Charlottesville. As for anything to do with the thread about ‘EGI’, it is a polite ‘pass’ from me at this point. Cheers.