It’s been a while since I’ve saved a chat, but this one is worth it. Gaia takes no prisoners. Nik left the server after this exchange.
It’s impossible to believe that AA would engrave their initials on even the smallest plane part. We’ve had many come to fakeologist claiming they were there in NYC on 9/11, and none has lasted more than a few days here. Are we too smart here?
GaiaYesterday at 9:15 PM
@Nik Hmm, I didn’t know you 220;held pieces of a plane in your hands”, but how is that possible? Do you believe the morphing we saw on TV represents a real, physically sound, truthful “collision” between two heterogeneous objects?
And I cannot get my head around “everything was dustified” on the one hand and “I held a piece of a plane (so sizeable and recognizable, not ‘dust’) in my hand…? So not everything was “dustified”?
NikYesterday at 9:18 PM
it was a size of book of matches, most things turned into dust.
I don’t know for sure how it ended up on the roof of Deutsche bank
originalsimulantYesterday at 9:19 PM
Did you happen to see the passports in the dust ?
NikYesterday at 9:19 PM
maybe there were planes, maybe people who were on the roof before planted it, maybe it came with a phony exposion of wtc
GaiaYesterday at 9:20 PM
you said “I started working there in 2002, 2003, 2004”. How come there is a sizeable piece of a PLANE laying on a roof unattended for months at least, years even?
NikYesterday at 9:21 PM
cause not many people went to the roof
GaiaYesterday at 9:21 PM
“it was a size of book of matches”, was it the size of a book, or a matchbox, what do you mean? And on that little part you were able to discern “American Airlines”??
NikYesterday at 9:21 PM
Deutsche Bank Building
The Deutsche Bank Building (formerly Bankers Trust Plaza) was a 39-story office skyscraper located at 130 Liberty Street in New York City, adjacent to the World Trade Center site. The building opened in 1974 and closed following the September 11 attacks, due to contamination …
The building was purchased by Deutsche Bank when it acquired Bankers Trust in 1998. It was part of the skyline of Lower Manhattan, and was demolished between 2007 and 2011. ‘
In September 2005, human remains were found on the roof, and in March 2006, construction workers found more bone fragments and remains.
Between April 7 and April 14, 2006, more than 700 human bone fragments were discovered in the ballast gravel on the roof.
GaiaYesterday at 9:24 PM
these reports are the ones you talked about in the chat with napoleon? I thought I heard you say you worked there in 2002, 03, 04?
NikYesterday at 9:24 PM
we found it earlier
The main found came when they were bringing the buildings down and cleaning – dismantling the roof
But we were on the roof before it was 2002
GaiaYesterday at 9:27 PM
ok, so when was it that your colleague found “human remains” and “a piece of a plane the size of a book (?) with American Airlines written on it”?
Did you take photos of these objects? Who did you (or your Russian colleague) give them to?
TryptYesterday at 9:27 PM
Ye, you must have took pitures
NikYesterday at 9:29 PM
not sure about photos, it’s possible we kept a ton of photo and video documentation for the court case. He reported it to security ( Marines ). Nothing was done because building was potentially contaminated. They only went at it when they were clearing the roof of gravel
My friend kept the piece of the plane, not sure what he done with it after.
GaiaYesterday at 9:29 PM
but this was when, more or less? Which season (NYC is pretty easy to remember for the seasons)
NikYesterday at 9:29 PM
GaiaYesterday at 9:30 PM
summer, winter, spring, fall?
NikYesterday at 9:30 PM
it was getting cold
not sure though
GaiaYesterday at 9:31 PM
So someone (your Russian friend and colleague) found “pieces of human remains with hair (if I heard that right)” one YEAR plus after an event where allegedly 3002 people “died” and “nothing was done” with human remains, do you consider such a thing likely in any way?
NikYesterday at 9:32 PM
thats what happened
piece of remains was also small
In September 2005, human remains were found on the roof, and in March 2006, construction workers found more bone fragments and remains. This prompted calls from victims’ family members for another search of the building by forensic experts. Between April 7 and April 14, 2006, more than 700 human bone fragments were discovered in the ballast gravel on the roof.
here they describe a pariod where they kept finding it, this whole hing took almost 10 years
Q: Were there any searches for remains prior to the LMDC taking ownership? Top ^
A: It is our understanding that crews from the FDNY and other City agencies had previously, on more than one occasion, searched the building for remains.
Q: When did LMDC crews first find human remains? Top ^
A: LMDC contract workers first discovered potential human remains in September of 2005, during preliminary abatement and scaffolding work
that is BS
they are playing it down, cause we found them way before
Q: Were there any searches for remains between August 31, 2005, and the start of preliminary abatement and scaffolding work in September, 2005? Top ^
A: No. The LMDC could not authorize crews to search the building or thoroughly search through contaminated material prior to regulatory approval of the deconstruction plan, which took approximately one year to formulate. After final approval of the deconstruction plan was received from the EPA and other regulators on September 7, 2005, crews immediately began working in the building and soon after made the first discovery of remains.
GaiaYesterday at 9:41 PM
The wiki says “This [finding human remains 4 years after] prompted calls from victims’ family members for another search of the building by forensic experts. “, yet your story (let it be clear that I do not think YOU are lying, but I question the validity of what you observed) was ONE year later and “nothing happened with human remains found”? Whut??
NikYesterday at 9:42 PM
yeah they didn’t make it a big deal at first, probably because … they say …. The LMDC could not authorize crews to search the building or thoroughly search through contaminated material prior to regulatory approval of the deconstruction plan, which took approximately one year to formulate.
this was one big legal situation cause building was contaminated
GaiaYesterday at 9:44 PM
I am sorry, but this doesn’t make any sense. Even if you live next to a graveyard and people find a skull in your garden, and that gets reported, don’t you think there will be a police investigation??
What if those “human remains” were NOT of 9/11 “victims”, but someone murdered on the rooftop of the Deutsche Bank??
NikYesterday at 9:45 PM
they were small pieces size of a book of matches
GaiaYesterday at 9:46 PM
the human remains? But with HAIR you said? So what? If you say they were human remains and DNA testing can be done, don’t you think someone will investigate that? Or is it normal to find human remains on rooftops in NYC, is it something like a yellow cab with a flat tyre?
NikYesterday at 9:48 PM
I have no idea how it happened that it wasn’t announced. They searched the roof and didn’t find at first. Than when gravel was being removed they found.
probably ignorred that 1 piece my friend found or added it to forensic peoples investigation withought checking the roof
they fucked up thats for sure
many things were fucked up about that project, It was one giant BS
GaiaYesterday at 9:56 PM
you talk like this is some normal everyday thing, you didn’t mention this event before in any chat, you don’t mind me questioning this utterly strange (if not outright ridiculous) chain of events of “human remains”, “nobody cares”, “pieces of plane with American Airlines written on it [whole or cut-off?]”, etc.?
I have never heard any 9/11 researcher, let alone a Fakeologist, claim they have seen human remains and held pieces of a plane in their hands, which makes you a very unique guy in our environment, especially because you didn’t mention this for weeks in a row? Do you consider finding human remains an everyday stroll-in-the-park occurrence, that barely deserves mentioning, let alone shouting it from the rooftops (pun intended)??
NikYesterday at 9:57 PM
Havent seen remains myself my friend did, they gave it to security – Marines
I am unique cause I worked there and this happened
originalsimulantYesterday at 9:58 PM
I worked there too actually.
GaiaYesterday at 9:59 PM
your friend claims to “have seen human remains with hair on it, the size of a matchbox”, and “reported to authorities” but “nothing was done with that”?? Sorry, but do you believe such a story your friend tells you?
NikYesterday at 9:59 PM
everyone was aware it happened they stopped inspection because of it and our guys didn’t finish inspecting the roof
GaiaYesterday at 10:00 PM
@originalsimulant have you also played poker with human remains, matchboxes full of human hair and plane pieces the size of table cloths?
NikYesterday at 10:01 PM
there was 2 groups there – RJ Lee group and Young Labs group + Marines security , everyone knew it happened on our level, don’t know what higher ups did
GaiaYesterday at 10:01 PM
HUH? You claim “it was reported and nothing was done with it”? Get your story straight
now you claim “everything was stopped”
and “everyone was aware’
NikYesterday at 10:01 PM
I don’t know what was done with it but they discovered more in 2005 and in 2006 and even later
GaiaYesterday at 10:02 PM
did you see that or do you read that from Wikipedia (you said you worked there till 2004)?
NikYesterday at 10:02 PM
I knew about it cause I knew people who stayed and worked there through demolition process
I saw myself, personally only that piece of the plane with AA logo
crazy shit, I know
I can find u contacts with my company – Young Labs maybe thay would want to talk about it with you
GaiaYesterday at 10:04 PM
how big was this plane piece?
NikYesterday at 10:04 PM
Young Laboratories Inc
Young Laboratories Inc is in the Forensic Laboratory business. View competitors, revenue, employees, website and phone number.
2 quarter coins
GaiaYesterday at 10:05 PM
???????????????????????? A “match box piece of a plane” with “AA” written on it? What was it, some hypercommercial promotion plane fuller of logos than a Formula 1 car?
NikYesterday at 10:05 PM
I know that it is crazy
thats why I am suspicious that it was planeted
Marines, FBI, FDNY all were eon the roof before us and who knows how many agencies more
Possibly there were many small plane pieces and he picked the nicest one with the logo.
not sure about that
GaiaYesterday at 10:12 PM
“suspicious”?? which part of a plane on ANY plane has the size of a matchbox with AA on it?
I fear you fell for some cheap trick, that “friend” took some toy plane part and gave it to you. You’re not really believing any of this shit, do you?
NikYesterday at 10:14 PM
No it’s not like thtat. I know it is hard to believe, you don’t have to.
GaiaYesterday at 10:18 PM
“it is not like that”, someone gives you a 2 inch piece claimed to be of a plane and that single piece had an American Airline logo on it (in full?), like what is it??
NikYesterday at 10:19 PM
He is not the kind of person who would do BS like that. Same time the work was stopped because he found piece of remains. I know it was not BS on his part
GaiaYesterday at 10:24 PM
“He is not the kind of person who would do BS like that.”?? What makes this clown suddenly so believable? So you, who claims to be interested in ‘alternative’ physics, and science and logic and other intellectual stuff, rather believes the craziest BS story you can find than use your brain and admit you have been tricked by someone you thought was your “””friend”””?
If my friend comes to me with a piece of “MH370”, he knows he will get very very hard questions. BUt you seem to believe whatever bullshitter who tricks you just because “he is Russian” (so? Russians cannot lie), is “just a working class dude” (so, working class people cannot make up silly stories) until “he is not the kind of person that….” Do you know how many men say that about their wives and girlfriends?????
NikYesterday at 10:26 PM
For me it was believable cause I was there and I know. I can see why u have hard time believing it, but in doing so u also insult my intelligence. I was the first person to consider all that cause it happened in my presense
In any case I don’t have proofs beyound my description and that is not good enough for you
GaiaYesterday at 10:28 PM
no, you are the only one insulting your own intelligence, if you really believe someone finds a real piece of a real plane the size of a matchbox and that real piece of a real plane really had an original American Airlines logo on it, then only YOU can be accused of insulting your OWN intelligence.
originalsimulantYesterday at 10:31 PM
Have you read The Cloud Upon the Sanctuary by von Eckharthausen?
NikYesterday at 10:31 PM
nope I havent
@Gaia Now u just calling me a liar…
GaiaYesterday at 10:34 PM
No I didn’t. I never called you a liar. Point out where or swallow that accusation.
NikYesterday at 10:35 PM
You are saying it is impossible because you think its improbable. I say it happened because I witnessed it. You keep providing me with statements on why u can’t believe it thereforre – I am wrong and possibly was fooled
GaiaYesterday at 10:38 PM
Which part of a plane has a logo the size of 2″ of AA on it? Nothing outside, within the fuselage, what? Not the tables, seats, what was this “plane part”, a coffee cup unburned by the jet fuel and Jewdy Wood’s Dewey Weapon that one-legged 20 feet dwarf Russian Cyclope gave you? :rolling_eyes:
GerisYesterday at 10:38 PM
Im getting popcorn…….
NikYesterday at 10:39 PM
Small green (painted ) metal
GerisYesterday at 10:40 PM
Inside planes metal could be antirust green
NikYesterday at 10:41 PM
Dud this dialogue sucks, I am not gonna tell things that I know like this
OpticalillusionYesterday at 10:42 PM
Nik are you serious your trying to say you had a piece of plane in your hand
get the fuck out of here
NikYesterday at 10:43 PM
Optical i already established that I am not going to talk to you
how about you get the fuck out ?
OpticalillusionYesterday at 10:44 PM
watching NiK lie is better than any soap opera
almost as good as crisis actors/military assets
GerisYesterday at 10:44 PM
Can i ask why you dont want to adress him/her?
OpticalillusionYesterday at 10:44 PM
how about you stop lying
truth hurts and calling out liars trying to reach for a place in 911 is halarious to me
Nik i dont know if your desperate or on damage control
either way keep talking
hey NiK ill pay for a lie detector test
if your willing
Just let it be video recorded to show how much of a tool your being
the first part is “held a peice”
how can i hold a portion of a CGI plane
asking for a friend
GerisYesterday at 10:47 PM
He obviously wont answer you
Care to elaborate on why you dont believe him?
GaiaYesterday at 10:51 PM
I don’t know what is more unbelievable, someone interested in science and physics claiming a 2″ piece of a plane with an AA logo makes sense, or that same someone defending a “Direct Energy Dustification Weapon” theory that blows his whole story to pieces… either way it’s sad
GerisYesterday at 10:52 PM
To play devils advocate
GaiaYesterday at 10:52 PM
please do 😉
GerisYesterday at 10:52 PM
A 2″ green piece of plane with a logo could exist
Whe cant disprove that
But he cant prove the contrary
GaiaYesterday at 10:54 PM
if such a thing even remotely would exist, I would spend the full 17 years between 2002 and 2019 trying to figure out which piece of an AA plane that could have been, photographing planes, doing research and making the story believable.
OR admit I was fooled by some drunk Russian bullshitter who tried to show off (and succeeded) on an eaily impressed and naieve Nik
NikYesterday at 10:55 PM
You are talking about me in a very disrespectful manner
GerisYesterday at 10:55 PM
How wise where we at 20?
GaiaYesterday at 10:56 PM
and not whining online in a truther community forum about “you call me a liar [NO]” or “that’s disrespectfulllll”
NikYesterday at 10:56 PM
you are being disrespectfull over and over to me
GerisYesterday at 10:56 PM
Im not taking “side” i just try to get a good idea on the matter
GaiaYesterday at 10:56 PM
no sure, right. But then the only logical conclusion is; in hindsight “I was fooled by someone whom I thought I could trust”, but NO, Nik is DEFENDING this Russian Roulette player and STILL believes that story
NikYesterday at 10:57 PM
anyways have a good life here i can’t take ur crap, I thought u were normal
GaiaYesterday at 10:57 PM
@Geris You are a good neutral Swiss observer 😉
NikYesterday at 10:57 PM
GerisYesterday at 11:00 PM
At least you agree there was no planes?
Bizzarre story he was telling ,but hey ive heard worse
GaiaYesterday at 11:01 PM
if someone gives me a piece of cloth and claims the Blood of JFK is on it, is it then so unfair to ask some very serious questions and if someone persists to question such a persons mental stability?
really, like personal level stories?
GerisYesterday at 11:03 PM
About 9/11,this not the craziest claim ever
Just not enough evidence to just trhow it here and excpect to be believed at face value
I personnally would have try to keep it,even paid for if i had to
For historical value
GaiaYesterday at 11:05 PM
yes for sure
GerisYesterday at 11:06 PM
But if he tells the truth ,i can imagine debris and human remains would have been put on rooftoops
Officially there was some found
But i admit its a stretch
GaiaYesterday at 11:07 PM
but the thing I cannot wrap my head around is; how can you tie these two things together? I didn’t say Nik was a liar, but at least he was easily duped in 2002 and stubbornly maintaining it, but ihow can you at the same time defend and promote the work of Judy Wood, whose result is that everything was dustified?
It’s like someone using the Sahara to prove that sand doesn’t exist…
GerisYesterday at 11:09 PM
The metal could have been planted ,he admitted that much i think
GaiaYesterday at 11:09 PM
it is much easier to believe that that Russian guy was taking the piss and that Nik believed that
GerisYesterday at 11:10 PM
Judy wood is a joke ,why use anything else that good old explosive?
GaiaYesterday at 11:11 PM
for concrete/cement/etc. that makes sense yes and what is it, 60-70% of the buildings was concrete etc.
(to explain all the dust I mean)
GerisYesterday at 11:12 PM
Explosive placed on the right stop would not produce big chunks of concret also
GaiaYesterday at 11:14 PM
no indeed, but the façade was steel, the floors were reinforced with steel, etc. that is much harder to dustify.
But yes, decades of preparation, empty buildings since about 1993 (first WTC “attack”) and lots of money and charges could have done the job I guess
GerisYesterday at 11:14 PM
Like why use a darpa kind of weapon to do a demolitin job that could be realised with way less effort
And it could have been built for the sole purpose of going down later
So weakened where it matters for a demolition
+plus what would they use to dustify a skyscrapper
GaiaYesterday at 11:20 PM
yes, that idea people have proposed, which is not impossible, seeing how long ahead “they” plan things
GerisYesterday at 11:21 PM
I think he leaved the server
That would be suspicious