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napoleon
9 months ago

boogieman wasnt sent in to figure what “your” exact thoughts are on 911 and specifics youve put them in clues forum so qiut whinging ,boogieman is the opposite side of the wildflowers coin ,little bitches and their notes ,fashion a narrative that suits their shtick fior anyone honest entering the fakeologist that encompasses the lazy mans explanation of 911 ,shitheads

talk about shabby

and backstabbing siimon and september clues ,fuck your gay narratives

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napoleon
9 months ago
Reply to  napoleon

fucking amateurs all your doing is proving the dicks i called masons hackers and houseclowns all collude and shit themselves from fecking models and star wars ,i dont care, i know they all need 911 to be a mystery for a career in truthing control,and i moved on to nolan and covaids,911 is not a mystery im sorry

upholding wank mysteries ,you should know better,

Last edited 9 months ago by napoleon wilson
napoleon
9 months ago
Reply to  napoleon

anyone watching or reading i can only appologise for my behaviour and i hope you forgive me enjoying this ,but this is so easy to understand when you know the lengths so called truthers go to ignore solomans temple the millenium fall-con epic of 911 and all the ways it could have been pulled off . not that many really cgi and miniatures ,smoke layers ,need a shitload of houseclowns to keep the plates spinning without progressing or examining the stars and sky on that day or the oz narrative attached to the entire fraud ,have any of you ladies… Read more »

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farcevalue_224975293_191975568

A comment on dbuser’s “notes”. Here, on the chat and in the Discord, much offense is taken at my alleged “creation of a narrative.” So, dbuser took notes to demonstrate this (I guess. Hate to be Mr. Narrative Man again). I any event, one entire side of the conversation was redacted, while the unredacted (my) side was characterized with words like: tactics, Implies, good faith (or lack thereof), etc.

Which is a way of creating, ummm…..what’s the word I’m looking for?
Oh yeah, a NARRATIVE.

dbuser
9 months ago

My intention here was to chuck out the bathwater while keeping the baby. Points were made, both valid and invalid, which would go unheard because of the shouting. I would hate for people to miss what you said on the livestream. You seemed so happy it was being recorded, you mentioned that with undisguised glee. As I said elsewhere, I’m sympathetic to Boogie’s frustration manifesting the way it did having been subjected to it myself recently. This isn’t the same thing as condoning vulgar behaviour, to anyone trying to conflate the two. I’ve already offered to post corrections for anything… Read more »

farcevalue_224975293_191975568
Reply to  dbuser

The “transcript” is far from verbatim, having the entirety of the second party’s “comments” redacted. Indeed, it would be a shame for people to miss my glee, condescension, tactics and implications. So, for the sake of being fair and balanced the “honest” party, acting in “good faith” had to be removed from your “notes” lest listeners get the wrong impression owing to an obvious lack of impulse control, and a penchant for profanity, insults and generally rude behavior. It is interesting, and maybe at this point fascinating from an anthropological standpoint, that anyone so incensed by the idea of “creating… Read more »

purpleplay
purpleplay
9 months ago

there was no beatdown only meltdown of a childish tantrum from one who had no other argument but to resort to ad homonym and I would like to remind all you whining children that the site is called Fakeologist! HELLO!!

grandillusion
9 months ago
Reply to  purpleplay

Yes and I was shocked that Boogieman behaved like he did. I have no idea what argument Boogieman was making because he purposely went into ad homonym attacks like he has in the past and attacked Farce Value. Boogieman’s behavior was disgusting and nobody on Fakeologist has ever behaved like that in an audio in the 11+ years Ab has been doing this. If Boogieman gets a Pete Rose lifetime ban here, it’s justified. This guy has been told to stop with the name calling and he refuses. At this point it’s fair to question if Boogieman does the name… Read more »

napoleon
9 months ago
Reply to  grandillusion

i told you what the purpose was of boogiemans behaviour ,to get established veteran fakeologists to recind the idea of 911 being a made for t.v. movie, an exit man as it were shouting his head off at fake pilots ,make it virtually impossible to take the next logical step which i did years ago and solved it shh

thus the credibilty of timeserved platespinners stays intact , leaving the clues forum mods and rockers to try their best to steer this ship ,even if that means pissing on september clues

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napoleon
9 months ago
Reply to  napoleon

i told you what the purpose was of boogiemans behaviour ,to get established veteran fakeologists to recind the idea of 911 being a made for t.v. movie, an exit man as it were shouting his head off at fake pilots ,make it virtually impossible to take the next logical step which i did years ago and solved it shh thus the credibilty of timeserved platespinners stays intact , leaving the clues forum mods and rockers to try their best to steer this ship ,even if that means pissing on september clues,which is not on im surprised some of you are… Read more »

Dave j
Dave j
9 months ago
Reply to  napoleon

Cheers

realalex
9 months ago
Reply to  grandillusion

I only listened for 2 minutes. That’s all it took to realise Boogieman is not operating in good faith, in any way.

When someone tries to repeat the opponent’s argument to them, to ensure they grasp it, and the opponent accuses them of ‘putting words in their mouth’ you know this is going to be nonsense.

FarceValue should certainly know that – I don’t know why he’s bothering. Boogieman does not want information – he just wants to be somebody. Good luck to him.

Hard pass on this.

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dbuser
9 months ago
Reply to  realalex

There’s a good faith way to do it and various bad faith ways to do it.

Farce was not operating in good faith. Had he been, he would have stopped the “active listening” shtick when asked. He was explicitly asked not to do it multiple times, but he kept doing it anyway.

That’s belligerent behaviour that further frustrated an already extremely frustrated boogieman.

I don’t know, maybe you’re okay with your arguments or points being paraphrased (i.e. changed) so they no longer resemble what you actually said, thereby creating a straw man to be attacked.

realalex
9 months ago
Reply to  dbuser

If someone is frustrated and objects to their argument being summarised by the other, as farce was doing, and calls it ‘putting words in his mouth’ – this is at the start of the call – you are dealing with someone debating like a petulant child. No debate or meaningful conversation is possible. The only person I heard who has cause for frustration is farce. Farce ought to have walked away at that point, but doesn’t. (I haven’t heard this show, but that was the case in his previous “debates”.) Farce is capable of making a good argument I know,… Read more »

napoleon
9 months ago
Reply to  purpleplay

hello ,

dbuser
9 months ago

At Farce’s request I’m posting my notes with timestamps. I’ve tried to remove all tone and subjectivity, except for

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my own comments in spoilertext
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My first comment, a summarization, is here: https://fakeologist.com/fac1315-boogie-farcevalue-911-beatdown/#comment-45120

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Skipping the first minute of pleasantries and ignoring the frustration, anger and cursing of BM, and the goading, sneering, mocking tone of both Farce and Ab, to focus objectively on the points made.

1:20 Farce introduces a premise called “it’s all real except for the planes” and declares that this premise has a major logical problem. BM says “yours too”.

02:05 BM asks Farce not to “put words in his mouth” or “create a narrative”. He asks Farce not to speak for him and says he will give his side when Farce stops talking.

02:35 Farce declares that the premise is based on nothing, and says “it’s like claiming Buffy the Vampire Slayer is real.”

BM points out that Farce is still stating BM’s position instead of his own. Despite this, Farce continues to state what BM thinks, BM says stop, Farce ignores BM’s requests and tries different ways to state what BM thinks, and BM highlights it every time. This back and forth goes on for several minutes.

08:12 Farce goes on to state what he thinks the premise implies, and what he thinks those who think it believe, then his connection drops out and BM steps back in to once again point out that Farce is doing what he asked him not to do, again. He again describes this as “creating a narrative”.

10:05 BM states for the record that he did not say any of the points Farce raised. BM points out that conversing with someone is futile if they will not converse in good faith. He makes it clear that he isn’t interested in trying to persuade Farce, specifically because of the tactics Farce is using.

13:00 Break 1

13:50 BM asks Farce why the tv footage showed bloopers if it was all prerecorded. Farce responds that the only person who can answer that are the people that made it.

BM points out that last year he was asked how the towers were destroyed.

15:35 BM points out that amateur footage released after 9/11 syncs up with MSM footage.

Farce states that, if the starting premise was true, all amateur footage would also show the building exploding with no plane.

17:00 BM says he is mad because people experienced trauma. Ab joins shortly after.

17:50 BM says Farce is disrespecting the dead. Ab asks which dead and points out the lack of excess official death stats.

19:15 BM states that Simon Shack confirmed a couple hundred death certificates on cluesforum.

20:10 Farce asks how people died if there were no planes, BM says they died in the towers when they fell. Ab asks “what about the people in the planes” and BM makes it clear again that he doesn’t think there were any planes.

Ab continues asking “what about the people in the planes” and that “we have their names” despite having just been told that BM is a ‘no planer’. BM responds “they lied about that”.

22:55 Farce claims to be African American.

Ab mutes BM.

23:40 Farce states that he assumes “disrespecting the dead means disrespecting all the people who died on the planes”.

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BM has already clarified he is a ‘no planer’.
Farce goes on to declare that believing anyone died also means believing people died on the planes too.

Farce implies that he thinks those who believe the starting premise also believe that real footage would bring the perps to justice, then he goes on to state that “we know this didn’t happen, it’s 2023, the tv tells the story”.

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At no point on the call has BM stated or implied that “real footage would bring the perps to justice”.

25:05 Farce states that “the entire it’s-all-real premise, the foundation, is it’s-real-because-it’s-the-news. That is the argument”.

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At no point has BM stated or implied this on the call.

Farce also states that unless you are in the editing room, there is no foundation on either side to confirm if footage is fake or real. He goes on to say “we start with the premise that it’s all fake, they start with the premise that it’s all real, and they think this because it’s on the news”.

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At no point on the call has BM stated or implied that he thinks “it’s all real”, or that it’s “because it’s on the news”.

26:00 Ab unmutes BM.

26:50 BM explains that he interrupted Farce earlier because he was creating a narrative, and that just now, he was again creating a narrative by saying “this is his reasoning and it doesn’t work, instead of just stating [Farce’s] own position. He has to create a narrative around my position to discredit it instead of just stating his own position, which I then have to defend.”

Farce responds that he wasn’t talking about BM’s position, and BM points out that they are the two people talking – not other people.

Until 32:00, BM states that his position is that MSM lied about the planes and people bought it. Farce appears to agree. BM goes on to suggest that stating that the buildings “collapsed” propagates that detail of the official story, when in fact it was a “controlled demolition”.

33:00 break 2

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spooky number time

Farce confirms that MSM convinced people of planes, so BM should extend this thinking to the collapse too. BM responds that a simpler solution is to fake the planes and get plants on the ground to confirm them. BM also says that the idea that everything on TV was faked can only survive in an echo chamber and in the real world, this idea cannot survive.

BM says that everything except for Boeings going into the tower lines up on all the footage.

38:15 Farce repeats that he is African American.

40:30 Farce accuses BM of seeming to have a mission to malign cluesforum. BM responds that CF was just a wall in the way and he had to “run through it, like the Kool Aid guy”.

44:00 Farce states that Boogie’s point was clear that MSM can steamroll their perspective over reality, just take that “a little further” with the collapse footage.

napoleon
9 months ago
Reply to  dbuser

are you secretary and shop steward ?

that’s some fine typing sugar

Dave j
Dave j
9 months ago
Reply to  dbuser

Fine work . While the audio is unlistenable this works.

purpleplay
purpleplay
9 months ago
Reply to  dbuser

agree Napolean! there was a serious effort put into that, don’t know why all the butt hurt is going on and defending of Boogie’s bad behavior. Seems very un warranted.

napoleon
9 months ago
Reply to  purpleplay

alot riding on americans falling for the masonic bullshit ,you show the transformation like i do you remove the middle men and the rhetoric

the hegelian dialectic is all they have left

fuckem not my country or cult

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napoleon
9 months ago
Reply to  napoleon

i gave em ample time to leave dodge

napoleon
6 months ago
Reply to  purpleplay

boogieman and wildtimes did the basic good cop bad cop on the gullible with help of timeserved houseclowns playing along ,makes no difference to me ,both cop acts failed miserably

if anyone does fall for their act i have no sympathy ,and they should know better by now

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dbuser
9 months ago

After hearing Farce gaslight Boogie for 45 minutes, I have a lot more sympathy for Boogie’s rage now. Not worth talking about Boogie’s style because it’s on brand and as far as I could tell, he wasn’t lying about anything. Boogie made it clear he was there to say what he thinks. Boy, did he do that. Meanwhile, Farce maintained a sneering, condescending tone throughout. No attempt to discuss any of Boogie’s points in good faith whatsoever. While superficially more polite, bad faith wrapped in good manners gets nobody any closer to the truth. Instead of pausing, listening to Boogie’s… Read more »

napoleon
9 months ago
Reply to  dbuser

ooh

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Dave j
Dave j
9 months ago
Reply to  napoleon

I am just happy that nobody died nobody got hurt.

Cheers NW

napoleon
9 months ago
Reply to  Dave j

cheers dave ,yes no one died no one got hurt ,