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(Notes on 5.1.18 misom)
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*vehicle regulation (car attack or truck attack without other "political" frame)
 
*vehicle regulation (car attack or truck attack without other "political" frame)
 
:I would say use the [[truck attack]], [[car attack]], [[plane crash]], [[train crash]] and [[boat incident]] ones. [[User:Gaia|Gaia]] ([[User talk:Gaia|talk]]) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
 
:I would say use the [[truck attack]], [[car attack]], [[plane crash]], [[train crash]] and [[boat incident]] ones. [[User:Gaia|Gaia]] ([[User talk:Gaia|talk]]) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
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:Agree.[[User:Misom|Misom]] ([[User talk:Misom|talk]])
 
*branding (e.g. Ariana Grande)
 
*branding (e.g. Ariana Grande)
 
:Don't know what you mean by branding? [[User:Gaia|Gaia]] ([[User talk:Gaia|talk]]) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
 
:Don't know what you mean by branding? [[User:Gaia|Gaia]] ([[User talk:Gaia|talk]]) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
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:[[branding]] means [[marketing]], but im not sure if that is the content of "Manchester Arena Bombing".
 
*propaganda (e.g. 93 WTC bombing)
 
*propaganda (e.g. 93 WTC bombing)
 
:Too generic. [[User:Gaia|Gaia]] ([[User talk:Gaia|talk]]) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
 
:Too generic. [[User:Gaia|Gaia]] ([[User talk:Gaia|talk]]) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
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:Understand but some productions are indeed propaganda e.g. "Anne Frank Diary".[[User:Misom|Misom]] ([[User talk:Misom|talk]])
 
*war on terror (all incidents in that frame)
 
*war on terror (all incidents in that frame)
 
:Would use [[war for terror]] instead to have unique terminology. [[User:Gaia|Gaia]] ([[User talk:Gaia|talk]]) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
 
:Would use [[war for terror]] instead to have unique terminology. [[User:Gaia|Gaia]] ([[User talk:Gaia|talk]]) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
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:Agree actually, but would find it more consistent if we call all incidents just "terror" insofar that is what they do, terrorize. With the general term "terror" we avoid also the problem of having to diferentiate between culprits, target culprits and such. The perps are anyway the same mas o menos.[[User:Misom|Misom]] ([[User talk:Misom|talk]])
 
*war on drugs (dont know if we have such, but the frame exists)
 
*war on drugs (dont know if we have such, but the frame exists)
 
:Would use [[war for drugs]] instead to have unique terminology. [[User:Gaia|Gaia]] ([[User talk:Gaia|talk]]) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
 
:Would use [[war for drugs]] instead to have unique terminology. [[User:Gaia|Gaia]] ([[User talk:Gaia|talk]]) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
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:Agree and would make it even smaller "drugwar".[[User:Misom|Misom]] ([[User talk:Misom|talk]])
 
*war on communism (all incidents in that frame, e.g. Cuba missiles crisis)
 
*war on communism (all incidents in that frame, e.g. Cuba missiles crisis)
 
:Would use an alternative term to [[Cold War]] instead to have unique terminology. [[User:Gaia|Gaia]] ([[User talk:Gaia|talk]]) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
 
:Would use an alternative term to [[Cold War]] instead to have unique terminology. [[User:Gaia|Gaia]] ([[User talk:Gaia|talk]]) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
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:Agreed.[[User:Misom|Misom]] ([[User talk:Misom|talk]])
 
*covert economic operation (not sure about this one, e.g. Titanic)
 
*covert economic operation (not sure about this one, e.g. Titanic)
 
:Would use [[money scam]] instead. [[User:Gaia|Gaia]] ([[User talk:Gaia|talk]]) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
 
:Would use [[money scam]] instead. [[User:Gaia|Gaia]] ([[User talk:Gaia|talk]]) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
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:Agreed.[[User:Misom|Misom]] ([[User talk:Misom|talk]])
 
*social engineering
 
*social engineering
:Too generic, needs to be broken down. [[User:Gaia|Gaia]] ([[User talk:Gaia|talk]]) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
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:Too generic, needs to be broken down. [[User:Gaia|Gaia]] ([[User talk:Gaia|talk]]) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC
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:Wait with that for the sheet with proposals out of what we have in the list.[[User:Misom|Misom]] ([[User talk:Misom|talk]])
  
 
The second fakeological type would refer to the technology used
 
The second fakeological type would refer to the technology used
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* Staged
 
* Staged
 
:Too generic, needs to be broken down. [[User:Gaia|Gaia]] ([[User talk:Gaia|talk]]) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
 
:Too generic, needs to be broken down. [[User:Gaia|Gaia]] ([[User talk:Gaia|talk]]) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
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:Will think about that.[[User:Misom|Misom]] ([[User talk:Misom|talk]])
 
* Simulated
 
* Simulated
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:Will think about that.[[User:Misom|Misom]] ([[User talk:Misom|talk]])
 
:Too generic, needs to be broken down. [[User:Gaia|Gaia]] ([[User talk:Gaia|talk]]) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
 
:Too generic, needs to be broken down. [[User:Gaia|Gaia]] ([[User talk:Gaia|talk]]) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
* etc.
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Example:
 
Example:
 
* Ariana Grande Bombing (media name), Branding (1), HRDPR (2)
 
* Ariana Grande Bombing (media name), Branding (1), HRDPR (2)
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:Example new:
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* Ariana Grande Bombing (media name), Marketing (1), HRDPR (2)

Revision as of 22:52, 7 January 2018

Discussion about Types of psyOps

7.1.18 misom after comments by gaia, see below

Hi gaia, i recap now the the common understanding and what remains to be discussed in a sheet and inform as soon as possible.Misom (talk)

Notes on 7.1.18 misom

after discussion on discord gaia, misom:

  • the "official" name of the psyop is ok, because it is the name mostly used.
  • the other types (the fakeological ones) must be discussed.
  • "propaganda" is too general, applies to all psyops, so of no use really

Notes on 5.1.18 misom

One part of the typology is the name, the psyops have been given to by the media. So the second part should be imo a fakeological term refering to the decoded psyop.

  • vehicle regulation (car attack or truck attack without other "political" frame)
I would say use the truck attack, car attack, plane crash, train crash and boat incident ones. Gaia (talk) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Agree.Misom (talk)
  • branding (e.g. Ariana Grande)
Don't know what you mean by branding? Gaia (talk) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
branding means marketing, but im not sure if that is the content of "Manchester Arena Bombing".
  • propaganda (e.g. 93 WTC bombing)
Too generic. Gaia (talk) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Understand but some productions are indeed propaganda e.g. "Anne Frank Diary".Misom (talk)
  • war on terror (all incidents in that frame)
Would use war for terror instead to have unique terminology. Gaia (talk) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Agree actually, but would find it more consistent if we call all incidents just "terror" insofar that is what they do, terrorize. With the general term "terror" we avoid also the problem of having to diferentiate between culprits, target culprits and such. The perps are anyway the same mas o menos.Misom (talk)
  • war on drugs (dont know if we have such, but the frame exists)
Would use war for drugs instead to have unique terminology. Gaia (talk) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Agree and would make it even smaller "drugwar".Misom (talk)
  • war on communism (all incidents in that frame, e.g. Cuba missiles crisis)
Would use an alternative term to Cold War instead to have unique terminology. Gaia (talk) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Agreed.Misom (talk)
  • covert economic operation (not sure about this one, e.g. Titanic)
Would use money scam instead. Gaia (talk) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Agreed.Misom (talk)
  • social engineering
Too generic, needs to be broken down. Gaia (talk) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC
Wait with that for the sheet with proposals out of what we have in the list.Misom (talk)

The second fakeological type would refer to the technology used

Too generic, needs to be broken down. Gaia (talk) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Will think about that.Misom (talk)
  • Simulated
Will think about that.Misom (talk)
Too generic, needs to be broken down. Gaia (talk) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)


Example:

  • Ariana Grande Bombing (media name), Branding (1), HRDPR (2)
Example new:
  • Ariana Grande Bombing (media name), Marketing (1), HRDPR (2)