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Discussion about Types of psyOps

HRDPR correction to HRDPAR

It was my fault to start using the term of Fakeologist wrong. The correct abbreviation is HRDPAR = Hyper-Realistic-Drill-Portrayed-As-Real. I will start correcting it. 29.04.18/Faye

Notes 26.01.2018 after discussion on audiochat 2018-01-25 / Faye

  • Type I : Describes the bigger picture, the bigger narrative of which a PsyOp is part.
  • Type II: Describes the more specific characteristics of a PsyOp, e.g. the technology used, HRDPR, BBS, DCP, etc.
  • The consensus as of now can be found on the https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JRi_123fMZhe76UfZoJ6bBrMT9LCnk-kZbMgbSgtoOE/edit?usp=sharing
  • The discussion is ongoing, please contribute with thoughts, propositions, research or whatever you feel would be helpful for the improvement of this topic.

Notes 7.1.18 misom after comments by gaia

Hi gaia, i recap now the the common understanding and what remains to be discussed in a sheet and inform as soon as possible.Misom (talk)

Notes 7.1.18 misom

after discussion on discord gaia, misom:

  • the "official" name of the psyop is ok, because it is the name mostly used.
  • the other types (the fakeological ones) must be discussed.
  • "propaganda" is too general, applies to all psyops, so of no use really

Notes on 5.1.18 misom

One part of the typology is the name, the psyops have been given to by the media. So the second part should be imo a fakeological term refering to the decoded psyop.

  • vehicle regulation (car attack or truck attack without other "political" frame)
I would say use the truck attack, car attack, plane crash, train crash and boat incident ones. Gaia (talk) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Agreed.Misom (talk)
  • branding (e.g. Ariana Grande)
Don't know what you mean by branding? Gaia (talk) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
branding means marketing, but im not sure if that is the content of "Manchester Arena Bombing".Misom (talk)
  • propaganda (e.g. 93 WTC bombing)
Too generic. Gaia (talk) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Understand but some productions are indeed propaganda e.g. "Anne Frank Diary". Let's wait for that.Misom (talk)
  • war on terror (all incidents in that frame)
Would use War For Terror instead to have unique terminology. Gaia (talk) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Agree actually, but would find it more consistent if we call all incidents just terror insofar that is what they do, terrorize. With the general term "terror" we avoid also the problem of having to differentiate between culprits, target culprits and such. The perps are anyway the same mas o menos.Misom (talk)
  • war on drugs (dont know if we have such, but the frame exists)
Would use War For Drugs instead to have unique terminology. Gaia (talk) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Agree and would make it even smaller drugwar.Misom (talk)
  • war on communism (all incidents in that frame, e.g. Cuba missiles crisis)
Would use an alternative term to Cold War instead to have unique terminology. Gaia (talk) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Agreed.Misom (talk)
  • covert economic operation (not sure about this one, e.g. Titanic)
Would use money scam instead. Gaia (talk) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Agreed.Misom (talk)
  • social engineering
Too generic, needs to be broken down. Gaia (talk) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC
Let's wait for the sheet with proposals out of what we have in the list.Misom (talk)

The second fakeological type would refer to the technology used

Too generic, needs to be broken down. Gaia (talk) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Simulated
Too generic, needs to be broken down. Gaia (talk) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)


Example:

  • Ariana Grande Bombing (media name), Branding (1), HRDPR (2)
Example new:
  • Ariana Grande Bombing (media name), Marketing (1), HRDPR (2)

Comments 7/1/18 Gaia

Ok, I understand. But did the Ariana Grande bombing really do a lot to market the brand "Ariana Grande" as even bigger than the Disney teens already saw her? Take it to Las Vegas, did that do "branding" for country music? I wouldn't think so. The main message there imho was "your neighbor can get automatic weapons, go crazy and shoot people with no motive", hence the psyop types there: "mass shooting" and "no motive". We can anyway add more types with commas, like the 1993 WTC bombing one... The HRDPR is good because it is a term Fakeologist came up with. Just as DCP and BBS, they are organic. Would be good to have a general chat about the categories/types of psyops, so we can engage with more people in the discussion, in the end it is a community project. I've added the clear ones as categories, will wait with the others for that deserved discussion. Gaia (talk) 02:59, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Comments 8/1/18 Faye, Gaia

Hm...Im not sure, Gaia, but think that the psyops do not have the same real content even if they have similar parameters. Ariana Grande is possibly marketing but La Vegas is (on first sight) not, although both are HRDPR in the field of entertainment. That is, i think, the purpose of our studies in fakeology :), to deconstruct, interpret, describe and generally produce understanding for the psyops. For my part, i enjoy discussing with you about all this and would enjoy discussions with more others also.Misom (talk)

Sure, if you deem the Ariana Grande bombing was doing good to her sales just like the DCPs of Michael Jackson, Elvis Aaron Presley and Prince were for their records, ok. But imho that would be a side point. The main points I think are the war for terror and "it can happen to anyone". But you're right, would be good to throw this into the discussion to get more feedback from others. Gaia (talk) 03:30, 8 January 2018 (UTC)