Talk:War

Good start, my ideas

Hi Faye, good you started this controversial article. Let me share my ideas below, earlier posted at TZ and POM. Feel free (not) to include them in the article.

The Purposes of War

The first question that arises when thinking about the purposes of war is: What IS war?

There is no real carved in stone definition of war. The "mainstream" has used definitions but as it's mainstream, it's always tricky to just stick to them; they are meant to propagate an agenda.

As an illustration of that, a famous quote that comes in different forms:

Peace: A period of cheating between two periods of fighting - Ambrose Bierce

Peace is just a period between two wars - Jean Giraudoux

The use of these quotes suggests that the natural state of mankind is "war". This is also what mainstream history "teaches" us by focusing attention on the wars of history, glorifying or demonizing wars and their leaders, and retelling the long period of mankind as "essentially a series of wars".

But is it?

Isn't history, or better "his-story" not a collection of dramatized tales that is indoctrinated into our minds?

As a comparison; a soap series, pick any of them. Are our daily lives really so much filled with drama, intrigue, back-stabbing and curious events as it is told in soap series? Not really.

Same for history. 99.99+ % of the time people are just living their normal lives, the majority of mankind that is. We are not fighting, not planning intrigues or anything like it. It's just "boring" everyday business of survival and hard work; getting food on the table, raising our kids and socializing with other human beings.

There is no reason to assume in the past it worked differently.

The natural state of mankind, of the non-Crazy Apes that is, is peace. Not war. People can be fighting, but fighting is not war. If two neighbors are fighting with each other, none of them is going to occupy the other house, enslave their children and take control of a future money supply. Looting is stealing and is instantaneous, it's not a long term plan. Not war.

War is essentially a game played by psychopaths, Crazy Apes. A game with different purposes which I think are interesting to analyse.

The purposes of war Main purpose, the root of it is control. A - control of territory B - control of money C - control of people

With as most important subsets: A1 - control of resources A2 - control of strategic locations

B1 - control of the money supply of an area B2 - control of making money, using war

C1 - control of people directly (as enslavement) C2 - control of people's minds (propaganda)

Examples all over: A1 - most wars are about controlling resources. In former times the control of fertile lands, in modern times more about ores and oil & gas. Today we have a couple of wars going on in the world and they are all centered around resources; Syria; oil & gas, Mali; phospates & uranium, future (??) Iran; OIL, lots of oil. In the past, the colonizations by the Russian, European and Asian powers over areas in the world, etc.

A2 - most recently of course the occupation of the Crimea by Russia, but many wars are about controlling strategic locations. The US with Cuba, Philippines, islands used as military bases around the world, etc. The Bosporus by the Ottoman Empire, the Suez canal, Panama canal, Silk Route, Gibraltar Strait, etc. etc. In most cases related to geography and a recommended reading for this is "The Revenge of Geography" by (mainstream) scholar Robert Kaplan.

B1 - this is a topic mostly scratched upon re WWII, but the real root of it is yet to be discussed in detail. Let's leave it for a new and specific topic. B2 - here WWII comes into play as the most obvious of examples and because it was so world wide. The infamous treacherous trick by the Rothschilds in "Waterloo" is well known to the truth seekers, but this methodology was of course not only used there in France/Britain in the early 19th century, but many times before ("religious" wars in the Early Modern Period, Asian empires, the US with the "War on Drugs", etc. etc. etc.)

B2a - making money pre-war B2b - making money during wars B2c - making money post-war

Examples of B2a are the war economies of WWII. The Soviets, the Allies, the Fascists, all of them have made a lot of money in the running up towards the "inevitable" WWII. Or rather those providing those forces with weapons (armament industry), logistics and materials (civil industry; clothing design; Hugo Boss), etc. Mostly jews again.

An example of B2b is the research and development of weapons. Would rockets have been invented if it wasn't for WWII? We will never know, but without that silly war there was no need to develop those things and money, effort, people and resources could have been assigned to meaningful, peaceful and improvements, not destructive weaponry. Also the sponsoring of war efforts by money lenders in the back, most of them jewish of course again, that affected all war criminals, including the Nazis.

Another example is the long history of colonizations and conquests, essentially wars by """superior""" Western powers against """backward""" """primitives"'", first in Latin America, southern Africa and southeast Asia, later in North America and Australia and latest in northern and central Africa, India and Middle East.

The roots of the investments of the "Age of Discovery" are (of course and again) jewish.

The Spanish and Portuguese efforts in mainland Latin America are well-known by anyone, but did you know the conquest of areas we now know as Venezuela and NE Colombia was performed by Germans?? Or maybe better called (((Germans)))?

B2c is very visible with what we talked about; the post-war destructed "build-up". Without destroying "old stuff" first, there wouldn't have been such a big motivation to reconstruct and develop afterwards. Japan, Europe, China, as examples of WWII and Iraq as modern example, Syria will follow in the next decade and will come out as a "reconstructed nice place" in the future, like Hong Kong after the Japanese invasions of former British "property".

C1, the enslavement of people to "the new rule". Happened everywhere and every time with warmongering psychos. The Eastern European countries who suddenly had to sacrifice their hard earned money and work to the commies, Soviet puppet states. The Dutch, Belgians and French in WWII who were rationed and where formerly they had a well running economy, suddenly were paying tributes to the Nazis and had to work for them. The post-war payments of the German people to Allies who destroyed their lands. Essentially the outcome of the Crazy Apes; "I own you now".

C2, visible best in the modern wars because we have more alternative sources to rely upon. In Roman times it's pretty hard to understand how much propaganda there was because we don't have written texts of the Visigoths or the Kelts or the Saxons. Now, with so many different viewpoints at hand the search is easier and at the same time more difficult because of counterpropaganda, compromised sources, new agendas, controlled opposition, etc.

But propaganda is and remains a very important and successful factor of war, even today where things can be researched, most people you'd ask on the street (so outside of the small truth seeking community) would just say that ISIS is a real islamic terrorist threat, or that the Nazis really gassed 6 million jews in non-existing gas chambers, burying their bodies in the Polish swamps, digging them up in the middle of -20 degree winters and burning 6 million bodies to piles of ash that reach to the clouds using impossible magical burners invented.

Propaganda is needed to both keep the people of the power that is waging war in line and to keep them afraid of "the enemy", that of course doesn't really exist; it's the friendly Elite of the other party that is in line with the Elite of the war country.

Best visible in the Cold War. Most of us have grown up under this idea that there was a "kind of war, but not really" going on between the US/"""capitalism"""/"""democracy""" and SU/"""communism"""/dictatorship.