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  • #5756
    Anonymous
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    To those new to the idea that there were no planes used in the 9/11 attacks, and that it was just video fakery, might seem outrageous. For people who believe there was no plane hitting the Pentagon, they should logically speaking be able to consider no planes even in the WTC attacks. Just because a few seconds live video of a crude 2D graphics plane was shown on CNN and a few other big media networks doesn’t prove the planes were real.

    How much of the 9/11 attacks was fakery? Some say that basically all of it shown was fake. My current view is that only some key elements were fake, such as live insertion of a graphics plane in 3 live video feeds (with a few seconds delay to allow for synchronization). Some of the collapse videos and photos may have been “enhanced” by adding more dust and people jumping to make it look more spectacular, but I think that it was real images of the WTC towers on fire and then collapsing.

    Here is the short version of my current view:

    * The WTC towers were rigged with explosives for making the plane-shaped holes in the facades, kerosene for the fireballs plus thermite to soften floors and lots of explosives below the basements of the towers that was detonated a few seconds before each collapse.

    * The WTC towers were empty of people, hence no real victims.

    * The WTC towers were largely hollow with only a few real floors, which explains the small pile of debris at ground zero, and cement bags had been added to the inside of the facades to produce large dust clouds. Large hollow sections in the towers can also explain how the top of one tower could tilt so much while the collapse moved straight down without toppling over.

    * Computer graphics planes were inserted into real video footage, both in real time and in the amateur videos.

    * Many “amateur” videos were thoroughly planned beforehand, with exact timing markers to make pans and zooms etc in real time without any plane in the picture.

    * Flight numbers were altered, so that real passenger planes were mixed up with the flight numbers for the alleged hijacked planes. The real passengers landed just as usual with their original flight number, yet in the system the planes were given other flight numbers. This explains why NORAD only dispatched fighter jets very late, since there were no real hijacked planes.

    * The U.S. government was NOT involved in the initial 9/11 attacks, but was forced later to do a massive coverup.

    #5770
    Anonymous
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    To repeat what I wrote in the chat: Unless Ace Baker has faked this info, he actually put a smoking gun in part 6 of The Great American Psy-Opera (from about 16 minutes into the video): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJU55FzcM2A&t=16m9s

    That’s really impressive research imo. I just ignore the crap about mini nukes and other fantasies like that in that documentary. The part about stabilizing the live 9/11 video causing the movement of the “plane” to become jittery is really hardcore evidence if Ace Baker did the analysis correctly. It’s impossible that it’s a real plane in the live 9/11 video from the news helicopter.

    In short, a shaky camera movement will make the whole image shaky. It’s impossible to have a real plane move smoothly against a shaky background. The helicopter shot is definitely a video composition with a fake plane, regardless of whether the background too is faked or not.

    #5782
    Herge Degrelle
    Participant

    @”That’s really impressive research imo. I just ignore the crap about mini nukes and other fantasies like that in that documentary. The part about stabilizing the live 9/11 video causing the movement of the “plane” to become jittery is really hardcore evidence if Ace Baker did the analysis correctly. It’s impossible that it’s a real plane in the live 9/11 video from the news helicopter.”

    “Impressive” does not mean accurate and hardly any research he did was original, just plagiarized from Simon Shack and made much more flashy by spending money on production. You could say his directorial skills are good but that’s about it and to the purpose of outright gatekeeping. Collin “Ace” claims the whole thing was done during the 17 second delay co-ordinationed with a “Live” helicopter shot of the buildings and hence the “nose-out.” This is completely unnecessary and a risk not even worth taking for the sake of having a “live” event, since they know they have such control of not only the media but also the intelligence agencies and the judges and courts that no one could bust them on a previously manufactured film shown as “live” that wasn’t really live.

    Therefore, since doing a “mission impossible” operation is completely unnecessary, it follows that they have put the “nose-out” shot in there ON PURPOSE as a rabbit trail for people to chase. Simon Shack and a few other No-Planers were honest chasers of this trail, Ace Baker is certainly NOT, he came in to lead the chase into a dead end or at least put a significant number of chasers off the scent of non-plane fakery and the VicSims information. I know because I was one of those chasers he kept off the non-plane fakery and VicSims trail for a good year or so. The proof for this is that he denies and refuses to look into both non-plane fakery and the VicSims, just like Fetzer, which given his level of knowledge cannot be blamed on ignorance.

    So the “Nose-Out” shot is no more “a mistake” than the faster-than-gravity fall of building seven or the fake top-down demolitions for Judy Wood to come out and explain and lead people on onto dead-ends and more time-wasters there. It is bait for deliberate gatekeeping shepherd/leaders.

    This gatekeeping is done NOT because they’re NOT busted but because THEY CANNOT BE BUSTED and they know it! They certainly DO NOT CARE if you bust them since with a few busted items of proven “Big Lie,” such as fake video or two and the absurd and outrageous lie that buildings can be demolished due to jet-fuel fire, and you already could convict them using:

    falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus

    False in one particular, false in everything.

    This principle of Roman law is still respected and has been appropriated by other disciplines. The concept is that [b]if a witness has been shown to lie in one particular respect in a case, he is not to be trusted in anything else he says.[/b] This is why it is important for attorneys to impeach opposing witnesses in court: [b]it discredits the rest of their testimony.[/b] The object behind the principle is [b]to reject questionable testimony (even if it might be true) before accepting falsehood into evidence.[/b]

    The legal principles of interrogating witnesses have been drawn into the task of evaluating historical sources. Just as a witness in court can be impeached by being shown to have lied, an historical source likewise loses much of its authority if its author can be shown to have deliberately falsified something–how can we trust an author concerning fact X when we know him to have lied about fact Y? Such an author may corroborate something a better witness says, but has forfeited our trust where he speaks without corroboration.

    So, too, a manuscript bearing copies of ancient works is called a witness: not to a crime, obviously, nor to a contract, nor to historical facts, but rather to an earlier version of its text. Many of the same principles have been drawn into this field as well. A manuscript which contains many errors or bad readings (for example, a simpler phrase replacing a more difficult one which the scribe did not understand, or frequent spelling blunders) cannot be trusted without corroboration from an independent manuscript (i.e., one which is neither its copy nor its descendent).

    http://everything2.com/title/falsus+in+uno%252C+falsus+in+omnibus

    They absolutely knew when they set up the 9-11 PsyOp that it wouldn’t take a Sherlock Holmes to BUST IT WIDE OPEN as a fraud but that nobody would be able to do a damn thing about it since they control the media, the intelligence agencies and the courts. This ABSOLUTE IRON GRIP CONTROL of all the major levers of power in not just the USA but through the worldwide usurucracy slavery network of the IMF, World Bank & Bank of International Settlements in 155 nations on earth, assures them complete confidence to toy with the public like labs rats.

    Spingola Speaks 10 / 01 / 2012

    Deanna Spingola interviews Stephen Goodson, a former (non-executive) Director of the South African Reserve Bank.


    During the main part of this interview Goodson informs us that:

    “By the turn of the 20th century there were 16 central banks, all except 2 in Europe:

    England
    Sweden
    Denmark
    Holland
    Belgium
    France
    Spain
    Portugal
    Italy
    Austria
    Germany
    Serbia
    Romania
    Bulgaria
    Japan
    Indonesia Java

    After world war II the numbers expanded phenomenally.

    The primary reason for world war I was to destroy the State Bank of the Russian empire. The secondary reasons were to break up the other empires – the Austro-Hungarian, German & Ottoman – into smaller states so that they could exploit them more efficiently through central banks and last but not least: the theft of Palestine.

    So after WWI there was this huge expansion of central banks.

    At the conference of Genoa in 1922, attended by the governors of the various central banks and the heads of state, Montague Norman, the governor of the Bank of England and a freemason, insisted that central banks should be independent of their governments.

    In other words, they would be acting solely on behalf of private banking interests, not the state.

    All these central banks were also being established at the same time as the establishment of the Bank of International Settlements in Basel which is the central bank of the central banks.

    The Bank of International Settlements does not pay any tax. It is above and beyond the law, immune from any regulation or oversight and, of course, its ultimate control lies with the House of Rothschild through its investments in various central and private banks.

    The purpose of WWII was to destroy the State Bank of Germany, the State Bank of Japan and the State Bank of Italy, followed by the dissolution of the European colonial empires and again to allow another huge proliferation of central banks, so that today we have 155 central banks!”

    Their main problem, therefore, certainly wasn’t to do a “perfect” job of the PsyOp false-flag so that nobody could bust it as a fraud. Their problem is NOT to keep the fact that they told GIGANTIC lies multiple times that they can in no way, shape or form back up hidden, but to keep the knowledge of the main HOW of the big lie (media-fakery) from reaching the understanding of enough people for critical mass to develope, so that they can consolidate power even more, at which point, they can do whatever they want with no fear whatsoever of a revolution. This is because the majority of people can never get over the psychological block of the “Big Lie” technique.

    Hitler identified this technique as the “BIG LIE” technique which his opponents, the Jews, were using against the German people. After Germany’s barbaric destruction by the usurocracy/NWO of that time allied with the most murderous regime in history: Stalinist Russia, which Rothschild agent Jacob Schiff of Kuhn-Loeb through Trotsky-Bronstein had put in power in the first place, there has been a massive black-propaganda effort to convince the entire world that Hitler was “advocating the Big Lie,” and most of all, to keep people from reading “Mein Kampf” themselves and finding out the truth. Since most people barely read any books at all except those they need to get their college indoctrination degrees and their slave-job in the “Brave New World,” they are tricked into fearing the “Notsees” and not seeing who Hitler was referring to:

    “But it remained for the Jews, with their unqualified capacity for falsehood, and their fighting comrades, the Marxists, to impute responsibility for the downfall precisely to the man who alone had shown a superhuman will and energy in his effort to prevent the catastrophe which he had foreseen and to save the nation from that hour of complete overthrow and shame. By placing responsibility for the loss of the world war on the shoulders of Ludendorff they took away the weapon of moral right from the only adversary dangerous enough to be likely to succeed in bringing the betrayers of the Fatherland to Justice. All this was inspired by the principle–which is quite true in itself–that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes.” ~ Adolf Hitler – Mein Kampf

    Let’s repeat the most important part again, in case anyone is still confused:

    “Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying ”

    The “traces” of the “grossly impudent lie” are a bygone conclusion. It is not the traces they’re afraid of but of NOT LYING BIG ENOUGH to overcome this psychologcal barrier

    @”In short, a shaky camera movement will make the whole image shaky. It’s impossible to have a real plane move smoothly against a shaky background. The helicopter shot is definitely a video composition with a fake plane, regardless of whether the background too is faked or not.”

    It’s a layering job but it wasn’t done “live” as Alexander Collinsky Ass-Baker claims.

    Also, since you have looked into it and do NOT believe the victims were real and that there WAS plenty of non-plane fakery, such as this

    http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?p=2374833#p2374833

    http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=501&p=2387870&hilit=king+kong+man#p2387870

    then you should not be praising this charlatan Ass-Baker (who ignores both the VicSims and all or most non-plane fakery) for baking your ass for you. lol

    #5788
    Anonymous
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    The jittery plane is only useful as informal evidence probably. Because it’s unlikely that it can be tied to any particular perpetrators. That’s ok since the evidence can be shown to plane huggers and debunkers. And that will be good enough impact. And that can (or even should) probably be done slowly, since the majority of people “can’t handle the truth” yet.

    #5794
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Hypothesis: The U.S. government was totally taken by surprise by the 9/11 attacks on the WTC towers. Couldn’t they have predicted this kind of massive false flag attack? Not likely, because even if say the TWA Flight 800 plane crash half a decade earlier also had fake victims, that plane was real. In the case of the attacks on 9/11, 2001, not even the planes were real.

    So already a few hours after the first alleged crashes into the WTC, people in the U.S. and all around the world now believed the planes were real. Crude 2D graphics planes inserted for a few seconds in three live television feeds was all that was needed to fool the public. If the Bush administration suddenly would have admitted that there were no real planes, then it meant that the U.S. government was totally compromised and helpless since some secret power cabal could carry out such huge operation within the U.S. without the government knowing anything about it. So the Bush administration was forced to keep quiet and thereby forced to do a monumental coverup in order to hide their weakness and for national security reasons.

    #5797
    Fakeologist
    Keymaster

    Anders: If you’ve read the blog, you’ll understand we’ve thoroughly moved past your hypothesis long ago.Inserting planes into live video would be impossible to control on-the-fly. The entire footage was pre-manufactured long before the day, to control the outcome perfectly, “like a movie”.

    As for the governments not knowing, only a select few would know of course. This is how any organization works. Everyone on a need to know basis.

    #5805
    Anonymous
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    I think almost real time insertion of the plane would have been possible. Very precise timing required to be sure, yet doable with the technology available in 2001. A few seconds delay would allow a computer graphics silhouette of a plane to be inserted in the three video feeds to the big television networks.

    #5806
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    As an example of exact timing, check out this area: http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/1728/49049266.png

    In this video: Clear shot of plane hitting tower two and tower in goes up… — http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3iKLz4oatY

    There are three faint flashes in the facade of the WTC tower at around 0:03, 0:06 and 0:09. This was the timing signal for starting the “amateur” video filming of the plane, when in fact there was no plane! David Copperfield, eat your heart out!

    #5807
    Anonymous
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    Another “amateur” video by Fairbanks, with time marker persons:

    http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/8997/tmp1z.jpg

    http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/3115/tmp2c.jpg

    NIST FOIA 09-42: R25 — 42A0103 – G25D13, Video #3 (WTC2 Impact/Inside WTC5/WTC2 Collapse) — http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mfT8cDzjpk#t=5m55s

    Notice the hand waving time signals.

    #5808
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Another time marker example is the Naudet video of the first “plane”:

    WTC1 – 1st-hit – Naudet – Ginny Carr.avi — http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxeVXP_0qHk

    The firefighter puts two fingers to his helmet marking T minus two seconds. And then with a sweeping hand movement marks the exact time for when the camera operator should start moving the camera to the left.

    #5931
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    The supposed plane that hit the Pentagon in the 9/11 attacks is suspicious. I don’t think there was any real plane there either. Does this mean that the whole fricken Pentagon was a part of a monumental false flag attack? Not likely.

    I think it’s more likely that the Pentagon was ordered to blow a big hole in one side of the building as a part of the coverup! And this means that the people at the Pentagon, including the top leaders, were innocent!

    #5932
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Would the perpetrators really construct the WTC towers with the purpose of demolishing them decades later? Yes, as outrageous as it might seem, that’s exactly the kind of enormous planning a top stage magician would use, as someone on fakeologist.com pointed out. Ordinary people get fooled by including things that are extremely hard to carry out so it would never occur to them that someone would have gone through so much trouble for a simple “magician” trick.

    Then the next question is why? Was the purpose of the 9/11 false flag attack just to introduce the PATRIOT Act and start a couple of wars? I think the real purpose is bigger than that. My guess at the moment is that the 9/11 attacks were an event that is meant to be exposed as a trick! Why? Because society has become so split into a public and secret part that an integration is needed lest our whole civilization will break down.

    #5933
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Do we need to be responsible and careful when investigating the 9/11 attacks and telling people about it? Heck, no. :mrgreen: Because most people still think the mere idea of no planes as something completely kooky and dismiss it out of hand without even looking at any evidence. So we can steamroll ahead like a bulldozer with this kind of information.

    #5942
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    The 9/11 attacks caused a lot of suffering. However, the alternative may have been much worse with humanity doomed to extinction. So the perpetrators then have done a necessary although naughty thing.

    If so, and if the purpose of the 9/11 attacks is to be exposed, then why don’t the perpetrators themselves expose the hoax? Because it cannot be exposed too early, because we the public society wouldn’t be able to handle the truth, literally.

    Instead it’s we the public who need to expose the hoax. At our own pace. And we are doing that right now.

    #5943
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    So, who should be punished for the 9/11 attacks? Nobody! First of all, punishment is a very blunt measure that only is needed when better corrective methods are unavailable. And secondly, where is the illegal activity here? Is it illegal to lie? If that’s the case, then why aren’t all politicians in jail by now? Lol. And doing a coverup for the sake of national security, where is the illegal activity in that? So we should stop running around like angry little children screaming raving demands of punishment left and right. It’s time for our civilization to mature, and grow up from the endless fight between knuckleheads bashing each other’s brains out.

    #6034
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    It may seem that inserting a computer graphics plane in real time would have been too difficult. With a 5 seconds delay it’s easy to do though.


    9/11 Second Impact (Flight 175) FOX – Live — http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLKYr5hA6s8

    Notice that the camera operator in that video of the second WTC impact zooms in in stages. I think the last zoom-in, just one second before the fireball, was done digitally! The zoom-in prior to that, about five seconds before the fireball, was done with the real camera, with very exact timing. However, even more precise timing than that was needed, so the last zoom in was done by a computer and the “plane” exactly entered the first frame at that moment.

    So the manual zooming in by the camera operator would have to be done fairly precisely timed, but not with exact timing. The exact timing was done by a computer that detected the fireball, then “rewound” the video, did a precise digital zoom, and inserted a 2D computer graphics plane at the start of the digital zoom-in.

    The reason for the live editing was that the fireball was real and would have to be consistent in all photos and videos.

    #6059
    Fakeologist
    Keymaster

    There is no doubt in my mind that it makes no sense to do anything on the fly. While it may have been possible to do, it is totally unnecessary when all of it would be done far in advance. The imagery had to be right, with no chance of mistakes. This is the definition of a military operation, which the 9/11 psyOP was.

    #6063

    This thing was planned years in advance. Look at all the 9/11 psychic driving materials. Movies, tv shows, advertising, books, video games etc. on and on and on. They bombarded us for years with these images to prepare us for the “real thing”. Why oh why would they go to such lengths only to wing it on the day? Why risk the embarrassment? This was their masterpiece. With several decades in the making that they had one chance to do it right you damn well better believe they’d do it perfectly.

    #6072
    Anonymous
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    There is no doubt in my mind that it makes no sense to do anything on the fly. While it may have been possible to do, it is totally unnecessary when all of it would be done far in advance. The imagery had to be right, with no chance of mistakes. This is the definition of a military operation, which the 9/11 psyOP was.

    I’m thinking about the fireball explosions. Those were real I think. Tons of kerosene on those floors plus explosives. And they needed to make sure that all the amateur photos and videos that they didn’t control would be consistent in how the fireballs appeared, especially the second one since so many people were looking at the smoking tower.

    The idea that they could remotely disable all cameras is highly unlikely imo. Then they would have had to EMP the whole Manhattan making every electronic device disabled, like cell phones, walkie talkies, television screens, the electronics in cars and so on. I even doubt that it would have been possible to generate such big electromagnetic pulse.

    So to make sure there were no risks they had to record it live.

    #6074
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    What was real in the 9/11 attacks were the plane-shaped holes in the WTC towers caused by explosives and the smoke pouring out for a long time.

    There is a practical limit to what was possible to fake. The supposed plane impacts took just a fraction of a second to fake in real time, and a few seconds to fake on live television. The smoke from the towers on the other hand lasted together a couple of hours and not even David Copperfield could have faked that.

    It may even be that the only thing that was faked were the planes, and that everything else in the photos and videos were real although many with staged scenes with “actors”, extras and plastic dummies thrown out of the windows etc, such as:

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