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  • #8760
    Tom Dalpra
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    leave me alone

    DalTampra

    #8761
    psyopticon
    Participant

    Just after the match gets called off, you can see spectators going up and speaking to Steve Nichol. Would that have been possible to fake in 1989[?].

    Was it possible to fake? That tiny piece of “live” footage could have been filmed months earlier! All we see is Nichol and some unknown person, standing on some grass.

    Excepting the grass itself – which is always much-of-a-muchness, there’s no fixed object in the frames for any point of reference. We’ve no proof it really was filmed “live” in Hillsborough, Saturday 15 April 1989.

    Brian Clough was not the sort of person who you would think they would get to be involved in what your talking about.

    Why not? According to Wonkypedia he was certainly no saint. The chair of an FA inquiry considered Clough to be corrupt, guilty of accepting “bungs”. With touching innocence, wonkypedia suggests this is why he never became England manager. Au contraire. He sounds the perfect choice to me:

    Clough was charged with misconduct by the FA, who later dropped the case due to Clough’s ill health. Former Premier League chief executive, Rick Parry, who led the inquiry, said: “On the balance of evidence, we felt he [Clough] was guilty of taking bungs. The evidence was pretty strong.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Clough#Corruption_allegations

    You can see people walking round the pitch to get back out of the ground by going up the steps of the stands and the passages beside the pens.

    Just two minutes into the prestigious game – after forking-out a small fortune for tickets – after travelling miles to attend – and people are already leaving the ground??

    Why? There was no “crush”, real or imagined, at that stage. So just bored maybe?! I know I would be. Maybe those people are there to lend animation to that area of the frame? To disguise a super-imposing line left-over from video layering, perhaps?

    What about the families and the witnesses who were there. What about the footage of the people who were there that day. There is no way that they could all be actors. They can not get some credible actors to do these hoaxes these days, But 25 years ago they were amazing.

    There are some relatively convincing “eyewitnesses” and vicsim families from 7/7, but that’s all they are: relatively convincing, persuasive enough to serve as crisis actors. Selected for their thespian skills at selling sob-stories.

    And if crisis actors aren’t up to the standards of 25 years ago that’s maybe because they don’t need to be – because we’re more gullible than ever!

    The footage that was shown on the BBC will be very hard to come by with the BBC being a government agency and the police being the cause. Some of the footage has been used in some of the documentarys that have been done on the subject and maybe after the inquests some more of the footage might be made available.

    Where is all this BBC footage on youtube? Why is it missing, if it ever existed? As said, everyone has anorak soccer friends; the kind of nerds who record almost every soccer game – to re-watch them in slow-mo, months or even years later. Where are all those home-recorded videos of the BBC’s “live” coverage of the Hillsborough Disaster on youtube? It was, after all, the soccer disaster of the century.

    Over recent years, the BBC transferred a vast amount of its analogue archive footage to Getty. Is that where it’s officially gone? All that missing Hillsborough footage we’re told was screened live in 1989? Conveniently, it’s now in the custody of an unaccountable private enterprise?

    Not unlike the Lunar Landing Hoax, where again, original NA$A footage from that hugely historic event just vanished without trace or explanation. No doubt by today’s standards, the video fakery was so amateur it couldn’t possibly stand up to modern scrutiny, and therefore had to be “lost”.

    Is that the best guess for the BBC’s Hillsborough footage? Officially Lost for the sake of simple expediency?

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    Let’s take another look at the shadowing in that “rare” RTE footage that we do have from Hillsborough. To my mind, it’s deeply suspicious, inconsistent and anomalous. Are these really just optical illusions or something much more ominous?

    Let’s remind ourselves first, of the lines painted on a soccer pitch. All the straight white lines across the pitch run parallel to each other:

    So how can this occur?

    Shadows running parallel to the white lines:



    Shadows NOT running parallel to white lines:




    The only explanations I can muster, both suggest fakery:

    1) The “live” game footage is not continuous. It was not filmed over six minutes, but over several hours, or even several days, and then spliced together. Explaining why (and how) the angles of the shadows cast by the players seem to vary, in relation to the parallel white lines on the pitch. The sun simply moved across the sky, changing the shadow angles. And that doesn’t happen in a few minutes.

    2) to the choreographers’ instruction, the soccer players acted out a few minutes of the game, under strict studio conditions, perhaps using green-screens. Then someone decided that the sun should be shining – it being, as usual, a glorious day for a cup semi-final – and so shadows were artificially added using video-editing software, and the editor just did a bad job.

    Any better ideas?

    #8764
    Tom Dalpra
    Participant

    Firstly, the commentator says here, ‘Live and Exclusive to Sports Stadium”. I don’t know exactly what ‘exclusive’ means but it would suggest that they may have been the only channel showing it live. That appears relevant here.

    BBC did not show it live. Whatever theprice1 remembers. The facts are, it was not shown live in England and they went to the ground after the game had stopped.

    Secondly. I read your post from last night in the early hours and then turned in. When I replied earlier today I hadn’t re-looked at it properly.

    I re-looked at it, looked again, enlarged it, got the magnifying glass out and looked again. But no, I still couldn’t find the ball.

    Falsus in uno…

    Wow, so they went to that level of control. That’s an eye-opener, Simon Shack style, if you don’t mind me saying, Psyopticon. Looking again, the centre line looks like it was done on microsoft paint.

    As I said, it’s not my forte, but, the ball, the shadows? It looks fake to me now.

    I wonder if you’re the first non-insider in the world to notice that?

    Groundbreaking research here at Fakeologist.

    DalTampra

    #8765
    Tom Dalpra
    Participant

    Footballers acting to a choreographer’s instruction in front of a green screen

    DalTampra

    #8769
    xileffilex
    Participant

    Tom said…

    Excuse my return to Bradford, but I’ve not finished with that yet.
    In fact, ‘I’m on fire’ if you pardon the reference.

    Yes, sorry to harp back, but so am I. Wish I had started a separate thread.
    At 2:01 in this ITV news report, we see a smouldering man:

    The camera quickly shifts away from him.
    It’s interesting because at 3:07, we get the burning man episode – except that the zoom showing more detail of the man is cut out. You can see him at 4:43 in this other video:

    Check out the big man in white shirt, tie and blazer immediately behind burning man. He doesn’t look like a typical fan on the terraces. Now, is burning man 4:43 the same reignited burning man at 2:01 noted earlier? Same receding hair, shirt and tie. Hard to tell though. [2:12 in the lower video] Smouldering man is clambering over the wall soooooo slowly, when all others are doing it at double speed. Hmmmm

    The ITV footage has an interview with Supt Barry Osborne of WY Police [4:45]

    “one of my inspectors got a woman half way out and couldn’t hang onto her and she just went”

    At 2:21 in the upper video, we see the policeman with burning hair, quickly extinguished. What strikes me about the police antics is that they are all trying to cover their faces with clothing, or helmets, upto 2:35.

    fan @5:13

    there were people jumping out on fire, you couldn’t do a great deal for them, just totally on fire, you know

    woman with massively bandaged hands at 5:35 but still very chatty….hmmmmmm
    same woman:

    my clothes were on fire

    shows back of coat at 5:42, still wearing it. And check her crisis actor hairdo.

    “I have got very bad [badly burnt] and on my back as well”

    @3:41

    “going to the tea stand I saw the fire coming on, I go onto the pitch and when most people were nearly out, I saw a fellow in front of the stand on fire, I went to try and help him out and as I got close, it were that hot [points to his apparenty blistered forehead] I could hardly reach him, my head started blistering [he hasn’t been treated….] within feet of him and he was up in flames”

    David Chater: “Did anybody get him out, do you know?”

    “Yes, we got him out,he got out OK, but he looked in a very bad way”

    Another “witness”

    “We moved to the frontand as we got over the barrier we saw three or four people with their hair on fire so I left him with the lad and I, just, the people were coming across, there were one chap with his legs trapped because the crowd were coming over so we pulled them over, we didnt care how we pulled them over, we just pulled them over”

    I think the burnt woman with coat does it for me….ludicrously OTT

    Note the relaxed plastic surgeons from 3:40 onwards in this TVS video clip

    David Sharpe [q.v.] with moustache is seen at 4:10. he’s having a quick lunch

    “…scheduled to do about twenty cases today, which will leave us about twenty to do tomorrow, we’re a little bit behind, but we hope to catch up by having a quick luncheon, and dashing back in again, but I think by the end of the, probably by 7 O’Clock we will have got the schedule for today finished, and then, erm, I think we’ve cracked it”

    What a bizarre performance. Total drill/psy-op quality. Reporter Vernon Mann.
    PC Clive Morgan says relatives of those who have died have shown great strength of character at times of great distress.

    #8770
    Tom Dalpra
    Participant

    Go to 4:43 minutes of this 11th May 1989 edition of Match of the Day to see BBC stooge, Jimmy Hill, with his ‘final word’, spell out the redevelopment plans that this operation appears to have been about.

    ”The best thing we could do for the memory of those that died today is ( and he takes a quick look down at his script to make sure he gets it right ) change the face of English Soccer stadia”.

    DalTampra

    #8771
    xileffilex
    Participant

    Terry Yorath et al video:

    “we saw real life tragedy, we didn’t want to,and the irony was that stand roof only had to last another hour having been up there for 77 years..”

    [@6.10]
    [ Fan Mike Harrison, Midland Road stand]
    Strange way of phrasing it.
    John Helm says he

    “wasn’t totally aware of the enormity of the disaster until one minute, one minute and half in [into the fire] one person came onto the pitch with his hair in flames..”

    Hmmmmm

    #8772
    psyopticon
    Participant

    I forgot what a rotten bunch were ‘overseeing’ the Hillsborough Disaster. What with Chinny Hill (86 this year; playing deep into extra time) fronting the goggle box back in the day.

    Chief Constable of South Yorks in 1989 was Peter Wright. Earlier he had commanded the force during the Miners’ Strike (1983-84), and before that, as Deputy Chief Constable of Merseyside, helping to mastermind the Toxteth Riots (1981). Popular man up north, then, who certainly gave his pound of flesh to the Apparatus.

    Interestingly, Brian Clough is described on wonky as “a lifelong socialist, often appearing on miners’ picket lines..” Could Cloughie and Wright have known each other from earlier psy-operations?

    Sports minister at the time was the drippy and effete Colin Berkeley Moynihan MP, who soon after became the 4th Baron Moynihan.

    I’m sure half of these aristocrats, clowns like “The Lord Moynihan”, are just sims. Low-quality actors of no real bloodline. Elocution-trained goons who are inserted strategically into the ancient noble families defined in Burke’s Peerage.

    Could twits like Moynihan be little more than clerical workers posing as toffs? Paid a modest housekeeper’s salary to keep the cutlery polished in the vast country piles that the Apparatus looted from previous generations? Just snootier versions of the National Trust volunteer? Hired and fired as required?

    The willy-wonkas have this to say about the Rt Hon Colin Moynihan MP, Conservative Sports Minister at the time of the Hillsborough psyop:

    Baron Moynihan, of Leeds in the County of York, is a title in the Peerage of the United Kingdom. It was created on 19 March 1929 for the surgeon Sir Berkeley Moynihan, 1st Baronet, the son of the Victoria Cross recipient Andrew Moynihan…The titles became dormant on the death of his grandson, the third Baron, in 1991. There followed a complex dispute between his two sons, born separately by his fourth and fifth wives; the 3rd Baron had believed that the eldest boy, Andrew, was not his son, and favoured the younger, Daniel. They were joined in the dispute by Colin Moynihan, younger half-brother of the 3rd Baron; in March 1994 Colin Moynihan applied for a writ of summons thereby challenging the legitimacy of both sons and claiming the title for himself. In 1996 the Family Division of the High Court ruled that the 3rd Baron’s divorce from his fourth wife Editha Eduarda had been obtained by fraud, meaning that his fifth marriage to Jinna Sabiaga had been bigamous and his son by that marriage illegitimate. After this action had been decided, the Committee of Privileges of the House of Lords ordered DNA testing of Andrew Moynihan, which found that the 3rd Baron was not his father. The Committee therefore decided in favour of the petition from Colin Moynihan, summing up their decision by saying: …that neither of the two sons purporting to be the sons of the Third Baron can, in fact, be an heir to the peerage. In the case of the elder, Andrew, the committee was shown overwhelming genetic evidence that he cannot be the son of the late Lord Moynihan; and so far as the younger, Daniel, is concerned, the evidence clearly shows that he is the child of a bigamous marriage and is therefore illegitimate. In those circumstances, it is clear beyond doubt that the petitioner, Colin Moynihan, must be the rightful heir and that his Petitions must succeed.”

    Who in God’s name are these weird people?! Whoever they are, that, my friends, is how you get your sim into the Upper Legislative House of the United Kingdom!

    #8773
    theprice1
    Participant

    Firstly, the commentator says here, ‘Live and Exclusive to Sports Stadium”. I don’t know exactly what ‘exclusive’ means but it would suggest that they may have been the only channel showing it live. That appears relevant here.

    BBC did not show it live. Whatever theprice1 remembers. The facts are, it was not shown live in England and they went to the ground after the game had stopped.

    Since he never said world exclusive suggests he was talking about his own country (republic of ireland).

    check out what i found over at “wonkypedia”.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988%E2%80%9389_FA_Cup

    1988–89 FA Cup

    scroll down to Television Coverage near the bottom.

    Television Coverage

    The BBC had all rights to show FA Cup games. They were able to show one live game from Round 3 onwards as part of Match of the Day Live. They were also able to show highlights of games from Round 1 onwards on Match Of The Day. [2] These matches were.

    Scroll down to the semi final.

    Semi-finals Liverpool v Nottingham Forest

    #8774
    theprice1
    Participant

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>theprice1 wrote:</div>
    Just after the match gets called off, you can see spectators going up and speaking to Steve Nichol. Would that have been possible to fake in 1989[?].

    Was it possible to fake? That tiny piece of “live” footage could have been filmed months earlier! All we see is Nichol and some unknown person, standing on some grass.

    Excepting the grass itself – which is always much-of-a-muchness, there’s no fixed object in the frames for any point of reference. We’ve no proof it really was filmed “live” in Hillsborough, Saturday 15 April 1989.

    If you look at that footage from 7 minutes onwards, It seems that your background is invading the pitch of your could of been filmed months earlier football scene. How does that get done? Seems genuine, though im no expert. Maybe you could explain how this was faked.

    Where is all this BBC footage on youtube? Why is it missing, if it ever existed? As said, everyone has anorak soccer friends; the kind of nerds who record almost every soccer game – to re-watch them in slow-mo, months or even years later. Where are all those home-recorded videos of the BBC’s “live” coverage of the Hillsborough Disaster on youtube? It was, after all, the soccer disaster of the century.

    Over recent years, the BBC transferred a vast amount of its analogue archive footage to Getty. Is that where it’s officially gone? All that missing Hillsborough footage we’re told was screened live in 1989? Conveniently, it’s now in the custody of an unaccountable private enterprise?

    Not unlike the Lunar Landing Hoax, where again, original NA$A footage from that hugely historic event just vanished without trace or explanation. No doubt by today’s standards, the video fakery was so amateur it couldn’t possibly stand up to modern scrutiny, and therefore had to be “lost”.

    Is that the best guess for the BBC’s Hillsborough footage? Officially Lost for the sake of simple expediency?

    You would be better sending them questions to Youtube and the BBC archive since I have no control over any of them businesses. Ask them where there footage is.

    I dont really know much about the shadow stuff. You would be better having someone who is an expert answer them questions

    As I said, it’s not my forte, but, the ball, the shadows? It looks fake to me now.

    Lol. Words fail me.

    Footballers acting to a choreographer’s instruction in front of a green screen

    <span class=”embed-youtube” style=”text-align:center; display: block;”></span>

    Are you presenting footage of footballers in front of a green screen in 2007 as proof of green screen use at hillsborough in 1989. Lol.

    #8775
    Tom Dalpra
    Participant

    HILLSBOROUGH

    Colin Moynihan – what a tool.

    ‘He beat Benazir Bhutto in the election for the Presidency of the Oxford Union in 1976’ – wiki

    Another groomed and controlled player in a rigged game within a rigged game.

    Could twits like Moynihan be little more than clerical workers posing as toffs? Paid a modest housekeeper’s salary to keep the cutlery polished in the vast country piles that the Apparatus looted from previous generations? Just snootier versions of the National Trust volunteer? Hired and fired as required?

    Quite possibly! How do we know what’s true about his history?
    He was the son of a Baron -allegedly- 2nd Baron Moynihan. A brief look at his official story and we see:-

    Patrick Berkeley Moynihan (29 July 1906–30 April 1965) was a British politician and noble.

    ”in April 1965, Moynihan was charged with “persistently importuning for an immoral purpose”. He was taken ill and died a few days before he was due to appear at Bow Street Magistrates’ Court.”

    Oh yeh? We’ve heard that one before.

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    BRADFORD

    Now, is burning man 4:43 the same reignited burning man at 2:01 noted earlier? Same receding hair,

    It could well be xilef. The same thought had crossed my mind. That slow deliberate ( ‘make sure you’re seen smouldering’ ) exit from the stands and
    the way he flicks his hood off nonchalantly. This is a man quite comfortable in a fiery environment, obviously. That coat too. It’s a very thick one for a spring day – almost like a fire-proof jacket.

    Smouldering man is key as he’s the first indication we get that people might actually be on fire.
    This fire-stunt-man then probably trotted down to just beyond the end of the stand where there was a passage way and was prepared for ‘the money shot’.

    On cue out he trots with the very same distinctive gait and lack of panic! You see, this guy’s done it before.
    Very tidy. Use the same guy twice. It’s almost certainly him, I think.

    The woman with the (comedy bandaged) burnt hands and ‘badly burned’ back at 5:35 in the video posted below, is unconvincing.
    How did her hands get so burnt I wonder? Her coat – which she is still wearing – is burnt through but her dress seems fine underneath. We have to assume that she changed her dress but left her coat on. Someone badly burnt would surely spend a night in hospital?

    Foreshadowing in Bradford?

    “we saw real life tragedy, we didn’t want to,and the irony was that stand roof only had to last another hour having been up there for 77 years..”

    The 77 figure is repeatedly heard and read in reports.

    The first news reports said that many people were crushed against the gates.
    (0:40 in the above video)

    At Bradford people were saved when they were able to go forward. Those that ‘went back’ (we’d like to think none really did, at this point) perished, crushed against the gates and burnt to a cinder. Those that were able to go forward, survived.

    With the Hillsborough psy-op, just four years away ( I would think it was in planning at the time of the Bradford fire), it would seem logical to me that this operation was perhaps prepared to work in harmony with the big football agenda.

    The gentrification of football and the move to all-seater stadia.

    Perhaps the fact that those in the stand at Bradford were seated and were able to escape, was a broad subconscious message that ‘they’ were driving. Only those that went back, were crushed and killed. Those that went forward were okay.

    In view of Hillsborough where the standing crowd were ‘killed’ because they couldn’t go forward it works perhaps as a broad message for those who seek to influence the mass psyche.

    DalTampra

    #8776
    theprice1
    Participant

    http://www.liverpoolfc.com/history/hillsborough

    A good resource for the names and photographs of the dead.

    It should be a good site for updates of the inquests, though at the minute it is subject to reporting restrictions.

    #8777
    Tom Dalpra
    Participant

    Dear theprice1,

    What you’ve done ‘ere, is mugged yerself off, son, with them words.

    While some here are sharing ideas and putting forward interesting and original theories, as I see it, all you’ve done is try and prove that what you think you know, is right, is right. In the process you’ve shown yourself up as a crap researcher, blinkered by your own tunnel vision.

    Along the way you do a handy job of highlighting why we must be careful when using wikipedia as a source of information. Remember you need to ‘read on and between the lines’, I did say.

    The Liverpool v Nottingham Forest semi-final was shown live in England, but not on the day of the disaster. ( The replay was, that might be the confusion ) The day of the disaster, it wasn’t.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/04/14/hillsborough-disaster-motd-report_n_5145544.html

    It took me 30 seconds to find that. I was satisfied already. It’s old news.

    The thing is mate, I don’t care if I’m right or wrong. All I want is the truth. When you first insisted it was shown live, I thought, ‘Fair enough’.
    I thought it wasn’t shown live but I’m happy to be proved wrong. I just want the facts. It’s not a big deal. Then we can move on.

    At that point I looked at it and found, to my satisfaction, that it wasn’t shown live in England.
    It’s not hidden. That’s information anyone can find out.

    Arguing the toss on that point AND getting it repeatedly wrong, really doesn’t look good.

    You come across as stubborn and narrow-minded – hardly the kind of person to be bringing much to a thread like this.

    I didn’t post the youtube from 2007 of footballers in front of a green screen
    to prove anything. I posted it because I thought it was of some interest in view of the line of inquiry that psyopticon had opened.

    You’ve no right to ridicule that, at all.

    Why don’t you just sit back and see how it develops like you said you would? We know you don’t think that the ‘live’ footage of Hillsborough was faked, but with your track record, why on earth should we give your opinion any weight?
    You can’t even research a fact that’s out there, let alone something that’s completely hidden.

    Enough, already.

    I refer again to your comment that ‘It wouldn’t be the first time I was wrong’.

    It wasn’t. Get over it and stop posting irritating lol’s like a facebook user. Start your own thread on Hillsborough if you want. I wouldn’t mind. You can say what you like with no come-back from me. You can begin with talking about the live coverage on BBC that day. Go for it.

    I see this site as a resort of sanity away from the world of facebook and these pathetic, irrelevant, ‘arguments’.

    Please Price. I’m sure you’re an alright bloke really.

    Having just read your previous post I’m highly encouraged.
    Good link there to the victim list. On first look, this jumped out.

    hiils83

    You’re coming round a bit now, aren’t you?

    DalTampra

    #8779
    theprice1
    Participant

    I was leaving it, then I see that you are making comments like it was not live no matter what theprice1 thinks. I do not think, I know. I watched it. I watched the match that was live then the aftermath as you refer to it when the match was stopped. I tried to use wiki to convince you, its a good enough source when your quoting from it. Its no digital spy I grant you, but I find it useful.

    Wiki states that the BBC had full rights to FA cup games. Do you dispute that? It states that they were entitled to show 1 match from the 3rd onwards. Do you dispute that? It states that they showed the semi final between Liverpool and Notts. Forest. That you do dispute. Why would the BBC who had the rights and were entitled to show a game not show what would have been the biggest match in the competition so far. You seem to think that they showed a match in every round except the semi final because it suits what you want to believe. All live sport (Fooball, Rugby, Horse Racing and F1 etc etc) was relayed through Grandstand in the 80s, or maybe you deny Grandstand even showed live sport. I will leave it there, I think I have made my point a few times. If you refer to me by name with your wee points about theprice1, then I will be back.

    #8783
    Tom Dalpra
    Participant

    Dear theprice1,

    That’s fair. I don’t own this thread, just like I don’t own the truth.
    It owns me. I like it like that. And actually, I quite like you. For some bizarre reason I seem to have the image of a quite amiable(scottish roots) in my imagination ( don’t ask me why) about 42, dark brown hair, clean shaven, wise individual, independant, a loner but a dependable friend. Something about lancashire? I’m clutching at straws. Did I get lucky? Randi would call that ‘cold reading’.

    I don’t go with Randi on a lot of things.

    I think you’re sincere. That means something to me.

    Now you raise a fine point, whether you know it or not, hombre.
    The footage. The film. The cameras. Lots and lots of cameras. Everywhere filming. Of course they were. They were filming the game for Match of the Day. They’d have the full set up. Here’s a quote from, to be honest, a random link, I found, but it’s how I remember experiencing it.

    ”A bit of context first. Football was rarely shown live on TV even as recently as 1989, and the Hillsborough match, an FA Cup semi-final, was being recorded by the BBC for that night’s Match of the Day. But as the disaster began to unfold, the BBC cut into its regular Saturday afternoon Grandstand programme to show live footage of what was going on, with John Motson doing his best to explain events from his commentary position”

    http://richardjonesjournalist.com/2012/09/13/the-hillsborough-papers-the-strange-case-of-the-bbcs-lost-tape/

    Now this guy remembers it like I do. You remember it like you do, fair enough. So where’s the footage?

    It’s nowhere! There’s no old VHS footage on youtube of it from England with John Motson commentating.
    That was one of the first things I thought to look for.
    We have the BBC Panorama documentary, of course. There was footage of it in that. So they must have it…

    In search of that I read an article somewhere( which now escapes me) saying how the producer of the Panorama show was now remastering the footage. This Daily Moron article(linked below and quoted here) is a bit mysterious about the identity of the artist who’s doing something technical and superficial with this vital evidence,that they haven’t shown for 25 years, for some unknown reason. Here’s what they’re saying:

    But modern techniques used to sharpen up the 25-year-old film has produced stark images that may prove too distressing for relatives of the victims and jurors .

    Careful editing is now being carried out to ensure the highly-sensitive footage reflects the horror of what took place, without causing too much upset.

    A specialist, who is ­understood to have worked for the BBC, has remastered the footage from 1989.

    And a police source said: “What were once fuzzy pictures are very vivid. I know some officers who have been around a long time and seen terrible things, and even they had to turn away.”

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/hillsborough-inquest-disaster-footage-too-3414532#ixzz2zTC2ccAI
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    Ha! What are they talking about? If it was that bad why wasn’t the game stopped? Motson didn’t say there was that much trouble? Surely with all the cameras we would see that it was bad.

    Other points? Well here’s a psyop tell, I’m familiar with in the very English, Bradford psyop.

    Get a chief police officer to say that policemen were helplessly sobbing or vomiting or something…you know, they’ve seen a lot, but this was worse.

    Sure enough, here we have:

    ”some officers who have been around a long time and seen terrible things, and even they had to turn away.”

    They’ve seen bad, but this was worse! ”Oh yeh, you’re trying to put me off looking at it aren’t you? It won’t work. Why don’t you just show me. Show me the footage!” ahem.

    My point is, why wasn’t the game stopped if it looks so bad? Initial reports weren’t of those shocking scenes. As I do from the RTE footage, the impression I got from listening to John Motson at the time,in 1989 was that it was clear something was wrong and there were too many people in that end, but nothing on the level of real urgency. Not up until the game was stopped.

    Further, it’s been digitally remastered -and heavily edited so as not to upset the relatives at the inquest.

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    I feel a bit gutted I didn’t see earlier that Liverpool were gonna win the league. Why couldn’t I have seen it earlier? Hhaha – million dollar question.
    Perhaps they won’t, but it certainly looks like it.

    They’re gonna win the league this year. It’s a huge distraction. Like a magicians trick if you will. On the 25th anniversary of Hillsborough they’re having an inquest. ”Look over there!!” They have the memorials,the documentaries, the 96 glorious dead. It’s all so real.

    They’ve done that before with dangerous hoaxes like WW2. Hypnotise people with red shirts and flowers.

    ”But don’t look here.” It’s misdirection on a big scale. They need it. This was a massive con.
    I do like scousers. Not averse to the odd episode of Liver Birds – Nerys Hughes
    What can you do? They’ve been abused as far as I see it right now. It’s outrageous.

    Dgitally remastering the footage!? That’s a classic psyop tell. Cluesforum, Mr Simon Shack has talked me through that one, oh yes. A couple of times; Moon Landing footage; 9/11 footage…it’s typical and a classic..and a joke.

    Who gives a flying fuck about better quality images? We can watch perfectly good Match of the day footage from 1989 on any other match. What are they talking about? They had to remaster and further, they even give the impression it’s difficult to preserve these fragile things! Utter nonsense. Show it. Show what you recorded of the match that day on Grandstand.
    Show us what Motson supposedly watched.

    It gets silly. If you think about it. If there was a REAL disturbance at Hillsborough, which is what I fully believe, then what was John Motson watching? Because we haven’t seen it yet.

    The recorded broadcast from that day must have been viewable – unless Motson is lying and they’re all in on it.

    The only live footage any member of the public has got of that day, is the RTE footage. As far as I know. No live footage from BBC prior to the stoppage.

    http://fakeologist.com/forums/topic/bbc-match-of-the-day-whats-all-this-then/page/3/#post-8729
    NOW, go to this link on page three of the thread and look at psyopticon’s post where he shows the referee and a player at the start of the match in close-up and then in wide view, you may see as I do, that the ball disappears when you do your own review of the RTE footage.

    Sounds about right considering all the other stuff, doesn’t it? Profound…

    What are they going to come up with media-wise for it, I wonder? ‘Heavily edited’ film they ‘said’. Mmm.

    I will leave you with the 1996 – Tv movie Hillsborough
    Happy Holidays. ‘When we come back from the break, it’s a quick trip over the sea and back in time, may again,’85. Heysel stadium Brussels…

    DalTampra

    #8800
    psyopticon
    Participant

    If you look at that footage from 7 minutes onwards, It seems that your background is invading the pitch of your could of been filmed months earlier football scene. How does that get done? Seems genuine, though im no expert. Maybe you could explain how this was faked.

    How was the pitch invasion faked, if it was? Two or more video layers, chroma-keyed, and then composited together?

    In those few minutes (just a couple thousand frames) of “live” RTE footage, there are surprisingly few frames that actually needed faking in such a way. Painstaking work, no doubt. Even more so in those days. Possibly done semi-manually, frame-by-frame, but certainly do-able.

    Wikipedia uses Star Wars (Empire Strikes Back, released 1980) and Star Trek (The Next Generation, 1987-) as benchmarks for the state of technology in video trickery. Chroma-key compositing (a.k.a. “green-screening”) was already well-refined and in common use in Hollywood by 1989.

    If the theory is correct, the “capacity crowd” – visible in the background – was filmed at an earlier big turnout at Hillsborough; at one of the many real games that took place in the weeks and months previous. Individually, the spectators in the stands aren’t readily recognisable. So no risk there of hoax exposure with some bod saying “ooh! There’s me! But what the hell?! I wasn’t even at Hillsborough that day!” The crowds are all too distant to risk that.

    The close-up shots of the crisis-acting “pitch invaders” are much better quality than the pictures of the players on the pitch. How so? Another give-away, perhaps? Indicating that “the invaders” were filmed separately under studio-conditions, using superior equipment?

    As for chroma-keying “the invasion” itself, the blue metal barrier in front of the stand would serve as an excellent separator when recording the top-most (nearest) video layer.

    Simply drop a green-screen background – a giant roll of matte green fabric – behind that metal barrier, record the “pitch invaders” climbing over the barrier before spewing onto the pitch. Then superimpose that near layer onto the “library footage” of the capacity crowd in the background. Fakery almost done!

    It seems clear now, that on the day, NOTHING at all took place at Hillsborough. It was firmly closed to all but the hoaxers, with not a single member of the public entering the ground. Obviously meaning that no injuries nor deaths occurred either. Hoorah for that!

    The relevant seconds of “live” game play we see in the RTE footage were filmed some while earlier, under strict studio conditions, again using chroma-keying. The players – all complicit in the hoax – acted out their choreographed moves – not necessarily even filming together. (and as we’ve seen already, the inconsistent shadowing cast by those players is evidence in itself of video fakery).

    Those few dozens frames of “live” play were then composited as the top-layer, superimposed onto the background showing a full stadium of spectators around an empty pitch.

    Presumably that unusual background layer – capacity crowd but empty pitch – was recorded in the few minutes that exist before any real soccer game kicks off.

    The “Hillsborough Disaster” was towards the end of the soccer season, leaving plenty of opportunities at earlier games to obtain that background layer of spectators around an empty pitch.

    Mentioned earlier is the crowd’s curious disinterest in the “live” play on the pitch. They just don’t seem to be following the ball. Further proof that the crowd is actually from an earlier game, filmed before it even started? With no play in front of them, does that best explain their oddly static nature?

    One minor problem for the hoaxers would be keeping genuine spectators away from the stadium on the day, since no real game will take place. All anyone must see is the “live” TV screening of a pre-recorded psyop.

    And it was an FA cup semi-final; normally very popular, a sell-out long before the big day. On the match-day itself the stadium area would need to be locked-down. “Strictly off-limits for safety reasons to anyone without a ticket”. Which in effect means out-of-bounds to everyone. Doubtless announcements were made to that effect on the radio and TV. “POLICE HAVE WARNED THOSE WITHOUT A TICKET NOT TO TRAVEL”. Which is what they say all the time any way.

    But what about those who routinely get a ticket? How to keep them away? Now, here’s my soccer ignorance on display: I only just learned that season-ticket holders DO NOT automatically get tickets to Cup Games to watch their hallowed teams. Apparently they do have some priority in the ticket-sales, but no automatic right, as such, to a single ticket.

    So to get this hoax fully sealed, all those committed peeps with a genuine interest in attending are simply told by official ticket outlets that “Sorry! The fixture was sold-out long ago!” To avid soccer-followers that aspect is probably the most obvious element to the hoax! Not sure how the hoaxers dealt with ticket fakers / touts. An exercise for the reader there, perhaps!

    #8801
    Tom Dalpra
    Participant

    Edit: yeh, just this – Remember they had the same two teams in the same ground the previous year in the semi-final of the cup. Exactly the same set-up. Mmmm There was over-crowding and complaints of crushing then in the Leppings Lane end.

    Liverpool hit the bar in the first six minutes. I wonder how that works…

    Okay, sorry I just finished reading your post.

    I’m loving your work psyopticon, but I’m thinking slow down a sec.

    I’m a sports person. A football person. I may well be wrong, but I feel it is highly unlikely that Hillsborough wasn’t full of people, genuine Liverpool fans. As you say. Season ticket holders. People that go to every game…it stretches credibility to think they could do that. But…

    Still my feeling is very much more along the lines of it being a real game as well. A real game, a real crush, as with Bradford. A real game, a real crowd. Real drama, with actors. This makes it all the more credible. It could be pulled off like that. Showing it live is risky.

    It was bad I think. The plan was to squash people and push it to the limit. The resultant fake deaths had to seem credible.

    I really don’t know.

    I’m thinking they faked the RTE footage, for control. But there was a real game and a crush. There was always crushes at games. What’s the difference?

    I think it would be impossible probably to have a semi final that no genuine Liverpool Supporters or Nottingham Forest supporters went to right now but

    I’ll sleep on it.

    DalTampra

    #8807
    Tom Dalpra
    Participant

    I think this is essential viewing. This is Match of the Day from the night of the disaster. They show some of the same footage we’ve seen on RTE and which we question.

    At this point if the footage was fake, (it does look like it could be fake to me) then how would it all work? I find it difficult to get my head around.

    I think people had to be there. The empty stadium idea appears unfeasible to me. So many people would have headed to Hillsborough without tickets. The general mass invasion of the ground by supporters had to happen for real.

    You couldn’t fake it. The ground would be in a built up area. It would be impossible to fake that I think.
    Anyway, this is what Match of the Day gave us that night.

    At 23:13 FA Chairman Bert Millichip says he looked in ”almost ???
    belief” at the news reports.

    I look in almost belief at some of the victim photographs.
    I have to wonder. This site theprice1 linked to yesterday has some interesting pictures on it.

    hills50

    hills44

    hills 4

    hil56

    hil7

    hil8

    vic

    hil89

    vic hills

    http://www.liverpoolfc.com/history/hillsborough

    DalTampra

    #8816
    theprice1
    Participant

    With no copy of Grandstand (which was definitely on that day, as it was every saturday) from the day. I will have to concede until I come across some proof. Though without that copy of Grandstand, it also can not be proven that it was not on.

    I would not want to accuse Richard Jones of being a liar, but I can not accept the 25 year old memories of someone who was 6 at the time as evidence. He says that that he vividly remembers watching. I doubt anyone would say they vividly remember watching anything on the TV when they were 6. I was 6 when the Bradford city fire happened and the Hysel stadium disaster ( one you might want to look at 39 crushed to death, blamed on liverpool fans) both of with were on TV , and would definitely been being watched in the football crazy theprice1 household and I remember nothing of the matches or even any of the aftermath. I have since heard and read stuff about them.

    Another point Richard makes “Football was rarely shown live on TV even as recently as 1989” is not really true. Sure compared to today were football is on most days and sometimes 3 or 4 matches in a day, It might seem like it was rare. But when you actually look at the live football that was on at a time when there was only 4 channels. there was FA cup games, FA cup replays, The Big Match on ITV, International football (friendlys, qualifiers, world cups and european champonships), european football (european cup, uefa cup, cup winners cup) and any match that was deemed to have been important for example the Bradford City game and the deciding match of the 1989 league championship between Liverpool and Arsenal were micky thomas scored the winner in injury time there was actually quite a lot.

    Some video footage at this link, I have no idea were it comes from and the quality is not great.

    http://www.contrast.org/hillsborough/history/history-html.htm

    Im no expert, though there is no doubt that photo does not look to be real. They are Stephen Francis Harrison – Aged 31 Gary Harrison – Aged 27.
    They were identified by there brother James Terrence Harrison

    http://hillsborough.independent.gov.uk/repository/SYP000001270001.html
    (the name of the deceased says peter andrew instead of stephen francis)
    There is a Peter Andrew Harrison (15) listed as dead, his photo appears one before the others on the link with the photos.

    Witness statements.
    Brother

    Click to access SYP000001270001.pdf


    Stepfather

    Click to access SYP000002770001.pdf

    From the witness statement of the stepfather it seems that Peter Andrew Harrison(15) is not the son of either of the harrisons in the photo.

    http://www.bmdsonline.co.uk/30874064-hillsborough-remembrance-peter-andrew-harrison

    He was identified by his father.

    Click to access SYP000001380001.pdf

    It seems that some of the harrison names have been mixed up on some websites.

    Link for the documents that I have posted.
    http://hillsborough.independent.gov.uk/

    Concerning video footage that should be available.

    On the day of the Hillsborough disaster, three different organisations were filming video footage, namely South Yorkshire Police, Sheffield Wednesday Football Club and the BBC. Lord Justice Taylor had 71 hours of video footage available to his official enquiry into the disaster, even after the missing CCTV tapes, and you are yet to see a single clip of video that supports the outrageous lies that were printed in the media in the days and weeks after.

    http://thehillsboroughdisasterdocumentary.com/2012/09/07/hillsborough-71-hours-of-video-footage-thousands-of-photographs-couldnt-find-any-misbehavior/

    concerning footage that might have been edited.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-24431269
    http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1576266/hillsborough-footage-edited-barrister-says-liverpool-families-fight-justice?cc=5739
    http://passonside.com/hillsborough-disaster-footage/

    I’m 35 and from Belfast, You will find me in the April 2014 section of Fakeologist members.

    #8847
    psyopticon
    Participant

    With no copy of Grandstand (which was definitely on that day, as it was every saturday) from the day. I will have to concede until I come across some proof. Though without that copy of Grandstand, it also can not be proven that it was not on.


    Is this BBC Grandstand? It’s a brief excerpt from the documentary, Hillsborough Remembered. (Re-)broadcast on the History Channel on 15 April 2009, the 20th anniversary of the PsyOp.

    The BBC Sports presenter (familiar face, who he?) says:

    Now, just before we go back to the snooker, I’m going to lead you to Gerald Sinstadt at Hillsborough, where Liverpool are playing Nottingham Forest..

    That announcement suggests there was no live coverage on BBC Grandstand of the soccer game.

    The Corporation was instead covering the opening day of the 1989 World Snooker Championship, at the Crucible Theatre, also, coincidentally, in the city of Sheffield.

    I think people had to be there. The empty stadium idea appears unfeasible to me. So many people would have headed to Hillsborough without tickets. The general mass invasion of the ground by supporters had to happen for real.

    You couldn’t fake it. The ground would be in a built up area. It would be impossible to fake that I think.

    Try this for size: maybe some match tickets were sold, maybe not 55,000 tickets for capacity, but enough to generate a decent throng on the day?

    But on the match day, you don’t let any of them in; you just keep the turnstiles locked, citing some spurious safety issue.

    As the kick-off time (3pm) approaches, the crowd outside grows ever more anxious and irritated that they’ll miss the action. There’s a bit of jeering and jostling, which naturally you capture.

    And then six minutes into the supposed game (3.06pm) the cops just make an announcement that the gates will NOT be opening at all, as there’s been a “serious incident” inside.

    In this way, the hoaxers get a baying crowd of impatient soccer fans to video. Lending credibility to the idea that a “crush” had occurred.

    Later in the evening, BBC Sports anchor Des Lynham reads his script as follows:

    Before it began..there were already some indications outside the ground that all was not well. Those already inside were oblivious to these problems. But there was a huge crush outside the Liverpool end, and the police seemed to be getting agitated.

    FA cup semi-finals are not a rarity at Hillsborough. There is always something of a crush. But on this particular occasion, things seemed to be getting somewhat out of hand. One young boy is released from the pressure.

    This was all happening about 20 minutes before the kickoff. And as you can see there were still thousands waiting to get into the ground.

    The mood [outside] was not violent, but it was tense, and the police were having some job.”

    So that’s the official narrative for the alleged situation outside the ground.

    I like the idea that those inside were “oblivious” to the events outside. In reality, the exact reverse was true:

    Any genuine fans on the outside wouldn’t have a clue that inside the stadium it was essentially empty; there wasn’t ever going to be a game taking place!

    However, the Match of the Day footage, allegedly showing an impatient crowd outside, looks fake, too, with strong evidence of video compositing:


    So my money is still on there being no (zero) spectators inside the soccer stadium on the day. Maybe there was a crowd of sorts outside, maybe there wasn’t. What’s key is that the entire psyop was pre-recorded in advance, and then broadcast “live”, just like the 9/11 Hoax, et. al.

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