Halloween Aircrash 2015 – Metrojet Flight 7K9268

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  • #456789
    Tom Dalpra
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    Fly tipping was the proper term we used back then. Here we’ve got a case of fly tipping in the desert.

    Quite, this from Flight MH 999
    116 fatalities.
    hg

    Flight 4 from the fourth of April. 44 dead 4 missing
    fd

    Someone should put a sign up, but it probably wouldn’t stop it.
    ds

    DalTampra

    #456790
    rgos
    Participant

    Quite, this from Flight MH 999

    Sorry, but I can’t spot any engine parts.

    44 dead 4 missing

    And one beer crate still strapped to its seat.

    #456791
    rgos
    Participant

    For at erm 2.34 there are two birds in frame.

    Make that three.

    #457326
    xileffilex
    Participant

    This guy asks some really good questions, analysing RT footage. I haven’t come across him before. Check the fly-tipping of keys, passports and old mobile phones around 8.00 –

    The original video is here
    https://www.rt.com/news/320448-plane-crash-sinai-exclusive/

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    #457332
    rgos
    Participant

    RT 3 birds.

    #457483
    xileffilex
    Participant

    This, I think, is known as pancaking from 33,000 ft

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34697416
    and this is known as spontaneous rollover

    source: http://911tm.9bb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=889&p=24
    Here, for the record, is the totally non-independent timeline [same BBC source]

    05:58 Egyptian time (03:58 GMT): Flight leaves Sharm el-Sheikh, a statement from the Egyptian cabinet says

    06:14 Egyptian time (04:14 GMT): Plane fails to make scheduled contact with air traffic control based in Larnaca, Cyprus, according to Sergei Izdolsky, an official with Russia’s air transport agency

    06:17 Egyptian time, approx (04:17 GMT): Plane comes down over the Sinai peninsula, according to Airbus

    Go to 1:12 in this video ….seems like a few people are having a real laugh at the “crash” site:

    And at 2:39, you can see that all those ambulances are irrelevant as a gurney is wheeled towards a twin rotor helicopter.
    This Russian 9/11 site thinks the Sinai story is total BS.

    Here’s the very speedily assembled tribute to the holidaymakers:
    Published on 2 Nov 2015

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    #457536
    Tom Dalpra
    Participant

    How many times have we heard the line ”Terrifying final moments of doomed jet”…yeh, yeh, yeh..we’ve heard it all before…

    Today’s Daily Mail header –
    Terrifying final moments of doomed Russian jet: Flight data reveals plane lurched up and down then passengers were sucked out of their seats – as US satellite detects heat flash suggesting a bomb

    Thank fuck for US satellites, that’s all I can say. We’d be lost without them when this kind of stuff happened.

    Now, would you really want to add a nice Metrojet balloon to the flowers as some sort of a tribute ? I wouldn’t I’d feel stupid.

    fd

    ”There’s the plane ! Oh no!” Sob, sob

    jh

    Here’s the crew, on shift, straight from the board in the staff office.

    fd

    Oh, gawd, it had to be done. Nice black and white version of ”harbinger-of-doom-toddler”.

    gf

    Yes, yes, we get it. There were supposed to be kids on there. We know.

    ds

    WE KNOW, ALRIGHT ? IT’S BEEN MADE CLEAR. and yes there is something weird going on with that hand.

    GF

    Why this woman is holding a mushroom I have no idea, but it has crossed my mind, as I look at those jet engines (with their likeness to mushrooms) in the debris of these crashes, that it’s like some kind of mindbending psychedelic mushroom soup.

    These events certainly set-out to feed our minds and take us on a trip.

    gf

    fd

    ds

    MH17
    DS

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3301094/Terrifying-final-moments-doomed-Russian-jet-Plane-lurched-passengers-sucked-seats-external-impact-blew-jet-apart-flight-data-reveals.html

    DalTampra

    #457587
    xileffilex
    Participant

    More heroes turn up – all the pilots and stewards of the airline – they hadn’t been paid for two months. That’s devotion to holidaymaking.

    http://rueconomics.ru/117667-kogalyimavia-sozdaet-idealnuyu-kartinu-biznesa-ekipazh-i-layner-vne-podozreniy/?utm_source=novoross&utm_medium=vk&utm_campaign=novoross

    Also in the media it received information that “Kogalymavia” has to its employees outstanding wage size of 70 million rubles, and in spite of the fact that the debt is mainly formed during the past leadership, the company has two months does not pay its employees salaries .

    Aerial footage here – check the ambulances at 0:20

    #458316
    psyopticon
    Participant

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    On your marks, get set….

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    Like the backyard of a messy old plumber; full of offcuts of odd pipes. “When you gonna clean up that feckin backyard, Ernie?

    Several commentators on the avherald forum note how the aircraft broke-up. Just as if it was cut up with a blade.

    Which it probably was. Chopped-up beforehand. Into easy-to-handle pieces. To fit in the back of a lorry. For shipping to the “crash-site”.

    On the financial matter of who’s gonna pay – there’s still question over the aircraft lessor’s identity. Is it AerCap or is it Wilmington Trust? The Irish Times gives more questions than answers:

    The Dublin company that has been reported as owning the aircraft, Wilmington Trust SP Services (Dublin) Ltd, is an Irish subsidiary of a US bank that holds legal title to aircraft on behalf of third parties.

    It is a relatively small player in Ireland’s enormous aircraft leasing sector, which has about half of the world’s approximately 8,000 leased commercial jet aircraft on its books. Efforts to contact a representative of the company were not successful.

    While Wilmington was providing services relating to the aircraft, it is understood the Airbus was in fact leased to Kolavia by the Amsterdam-headquartered aircraft leasing group Aercap. Aercap’s Shannon-based subsidiary, Aercap Ireland, was formerly the late Tony Ryan’s GPA Group Ltd, the company that established Ireland in the aircraft-leasing business.

    It is not known if the aircraft that crashed in Egypt was owned by an Irish subsidiary of the Aercap group.

    Okay if it’s not Wilmington’s then maybe it’s AerCap Ireland?

    It’s like as if they want it to be Irish-owned. “Whoever feckin’ owns it, let’s just be praying they’re Irish” ?

    The official website of the carrier, metrojet.ru – currently still offers online bookings to “go fly with me”, with them. Those Ruskies – remember the Eastern Front – never ones to give up without a fight:

    The airline puts all its cards on the table – too many cards, to my mind – offering all the “official paperwork” for the plane – recent maintenance manifests, safety certificates and audits, etc – in a 3.8 megabyte ZIP file for our casual perusal:

    Continuing on the theme of financial problems at the carrier – in a somewhat sparse News section on the metrojet.ru website, we find the following, dated 20 July 2015:

    It’s the very last news report before the crash. Just waitin’ to be found.

    It very publicly severs any link between the TUI Group – “the largest leisure, travel and tourism company in the world” – and Metrojet.

    If you’re going to pull off a psyop, imperative to exculpate TUI beforehand?

    #458537
    rgos
    Participant

    And as with MH17, we get a series of aircraft crashes. It is the Flying Circus, Russian branch.

    South Sudan, Antonov cargo jet crash, Russian crew, 41 dead.

    http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/4158209/tientallen-doden-bij-crash-vrachtvliegtuig-in-zuid-soedan.html

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/04/south-sudan-cargo-plane-crashes

    #458592
    Tom Dalpra
    Participant

    And as with MH17, we get a series of aircraft crashes. It is the Flying Circus, Russian branch.

    South Sudan, Antonov cargo jet crash, Russian crew, 41 dead.

    Mmm, when you called ‘three birds’ I thought the suggestion was tenuous but…

    I noticed this one from South Sudan almost exactly a year ago. I wondered if it was a practice run ?
    http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?article53045

    It very publicly severs any link between the TUI Group – “the largest leisure, travel and tourism company in the world” – and Metrojet.

    Mmm…

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    I first noticed the ‘slash and the dot’ (of the TUI logo) being presented with the Sousse beach massacre earlier this year. This was timed with the promotion of the semi-colon tattoo in the media.
    I don’t know what it means but it seems like a trendy theme.

    DalTampra

    #458628
    rgos
    Participant

    Mmm, when you called ‘three birds’ I thought the suggestion was tenuous but…

    And I wasn’t even thinking about follow-up crashes. It was just something I noticed in the RT video.

    #458629
    xileffilex
    Participant

    Crashed into a “hill” at the end of the runway LOL!
    http://avherald.com/h?article=48ed283e&opt=0

    Another fake.

    #458647
    rgos
    Participant

    I’m reading up on Monty Python’s last stage show (that we connected to the MH17 Flying Circus op – remember 10 shows were held on 1–5 and 15–20 July 2014, except on the 17th, the day MH17 “went down”).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Python_Live_(mostly)

    What does it mean? One Down, Five To Go?

    Also interesting titbits on Robin Williams there.


    Remarkable bird, beautiful plumage


    Crashing bird

    #458696
    xileffilex
    Participant

    Ireland’s enormous aircraft leasing sector, which has about half of the world’s approximately 8,000 leased commercial jet aircraft on its books.

    Wow! This Jurgen Whyte, who has been sent to Sinai, must be
    a. A busy bee
    b. A safe pair of hands.
    He doesn’t say very much here at the press conference for this 2011 suspicious looking event in Cork. I can’t seen a single image of smoke, fire, or steam anywhere despite the charring.


    A drill, but a clever one. 4 people walked away from it! 2 seriously injured people suffered “severe burns” The “local regional emergency plan was put into operation” – say no more.

    Another hoax clue – a film by National Geographic

    The team which investigated the Cork Airport plane crash has declined to co-operate with the makers of a major documentary on the disaster, due to air tonight, out of respect for the survivors and victims’ families.

    Feb 9 2015
    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/cork-airport-crash-team-did-not-assist-documentary-311420.html

    “..our report speaks for itself,” said an AAIU spokesman.

    The Irishman [speaks German, naturally] in Sinai –
    https://ie.linkedin.com/pub/jurgen-whyte/a/93b/3a0
    Hero: Rescued 4 trawlermen off the Donegal coast in 1990 on the Locative

    Click to access All_Citations.pdf

    He doesn’t have much history before 1990.[nearest the camera here]

    #458744
    rgos
    Participant

    Tom, did you pick this one up in relation to the Jules Bianchi – Marussia F1 crash and his death on 17 July 2015?

    In Italian culture, the number 17 is considered unlucky. When viewed as the Roman numeral, XVII, it is then changed anagrammatically to VIXI, which in the Latin language it translates to “I have lived”, the perfect implying “My life is over.” (c.f. “Vixerunt”, Cicero’s famous announcement of an execution.) Renault sold its “R17” model in Italy as “R177.” See Cesana Pariol in the sport section about the name of curve 17.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/17_(number)

    #458745
    rgos
    Participant

    Oh, and I’m buying a round of beer when a third Russian bird goes down within a week, naturally.

    #458794
    Tom Dalpra
    Participant

    In Italian culture, the number 17 is considered unlucky. When viewed as the Roman numeral, XVII, it is then changed anagrammatically to VIXI, which in the Latin language it translates to “I have lived”, the perfect implying “My life is over.”

    Mmm, interesting ( though for the record, Jules Bianchi sounds like an Italian name, but he’s/was French) I didn’t know 17 was an unlucky number in Italy. It seems quite contrived to change the numerals anagrammatically as wikipedia tells us, but Renault even saw fit to avoid the reference there.

    I was still wondering what this lettering on the Metrojet plane might be contrived to suggest. That reference to Roman Numerals made me think maybe it could be IV at the start there. Maybe it’s Latin ?

    fd

    DalTampra

    #459060
    psyopticon
    Participant
    Wow! This Jurgen Whyte, who has been sent to Sinai, must be
    a. A busy bee
    b. A safe pair of hands.
    He doesn’t say very much here at the press conference for this 2011 suspicious looking event in Cork. I can’t seen a single image of smoke, fire, or steam anywhere despite the charring.

    The Irishman [speaks German, naturally] in Sinai –
    https://ie.linkedin.com/pub/jurgen-whyte/a/93b/3a0
    ..
    He doesn’t have much history before 1990.[nearest the camera here]

    In that briefing, the gummint man with all the flannel, Minister for Transport Pat Carey, alludes to an earlier aircrash — the 1968 disaster of Aer Lingus Flight 712 which crashed ten miles off the Irish coast; a crash which we’ve raked over already on cluesforum:

    http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1715&p=2391130#p2391118

    Transport Minister Carey in that briefing about the 2011 Manx2 Flight 7100 crash at Cork Airport, that — “the last major public transport accident in Ireland was Tuskar Rock in 1968“..

    Nothing like making a cocktail of aircrash psyops; brings out the best flavours in them.

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    Crashed into a “hill” at the end of the runway LOL!

    http://avherald.com/h?article=48ed283e&opt=0

    Another fake.

    You’re not alone in sharing a little scepticism. From the same forum (which is blocking our hot links)..

    There’s also a question mark over the number of dead in that crashed Allied Services AN12 flight EY-406 – which ploughed into the-hill-that-never-was at Juba on Nov 4 2015.

    Mysteriously, the dead aboard that flight exceeded the number of seats on the (cargo) plane. Which logically means that if they weren’t sitting on each other’s laps, then some of the victims/vicsims must have been travelling in the unpressurised cargo-hold. Very naughty, and could require more legislation.

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    #459785
    xileffilex
    Participant

    In that briefing, the gummint man with all the flannel, Minister for Transport Pat Carey, alludes to an earlier aircrash — the 1968 disaster of Aer Lingus Flight 712 which crashed ten miles off the Irish coast; a crash which we’ve raked over already on cluesforum:

    http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1715&p=2391130#p2391118

    That’s a good thread starter, Psyopticon.
    The all-important memorial to the multinational “victims” is considered 40 years later…

    Only a few bodies were recovered and those that were unidentified were interred at St Ibar’s Cemetery in Wexford, their burial place marked with this stone. Most of the passengers came from Ireland while others came from the UK, Belgium, Switzerland and the USA.

    In Remembrance...

    That’s a strange address – MR & MRS Gangelhoff, Harley House, London whose daughter Bonnie pops up in the Cemetery in 2009
    http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/victims-of-aer-lingus-plane-crash-gone-but-not-forgotten-1.728794
    and while paying her respects bumps into the sister of one of the two stewardesses.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/memorial-to-1968-aer-lingus-crash-1.1027816
    Probate

    Joseph Walter Gangelhoff of 5135 Loch Lomond, Houston, Texas died 24 March 1968 Administration with will November 9 1969 GBP 1614 in England

    http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=66818523


    The list also mentions “MR and MRS SHORTEN, Florence Road, Wimbledon”

    Now, we see Anne [GBP 5893] and Thomas Anthony Shorten [GBP 611] have probate granted on October 4 1968, with further grants the next year “CESSATE”
    http://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803095559949
    but strangely tied up with another grant concerning
    Benjamin Shorten also of 45 Florence Road, Wimbledon died 30 September 1964 of EXACTLY GBP 4000, dated 23 July 1969. Curious!
    [Benjamin Shorten, died at the Convalescent Home, Hunstanton Administration to Ann Shorten, widow, GBP 2552 November 19 1964.[aged 50, born 1914]

    TAS was married 1929 to ADA Doris Goulty in Hunstanton area, Norfolk. Children John T.A. and Douglas . The latter married Brenda M Jewell in 1966.

    Thomas A Shorten’s death is recorded in Fakenham district, England in 1964, aged 60, born 1904.
    Benjamin Shorten’s death is recorded in Fakenham district, Norfolk, in 1964. aged 50.
    I can’t find either birth in 1914 or 1904.[a Benjamin Shorten was born in 1903 in Norfolk] Why is TAS’s death registered in Fakenham?
    I can’t find any marriage of anybody called ANNE to TAS, only ADA.
    Hmmmm Ada, Ann, Anne. Benjamin, Thomas….Some fakery going on here.

    PS a marriage is recorded in Brighton 1956 of a Benjamin Shorten to an Ann O’Mahony [sic] with no recorded issue, died 1970 aged 44 with no probate!

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