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I feel another train thread coming on…I love a good train thread…
Hasn’t Lac Megantic got it’s own thread already? If not, it would seem tidy to start one to look at those two Canadian train wrecks.
I was in Mississauga the previous August – 1978. For what it’s worth, I had nothing to do with it.
DalTampra
KHam has got me interested again.
I found this transcript of the Horizon programmehttp://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2001/killerlakestrans.shtml
here’s clue #1 that all is not well from the earlier similar event [hmmm] at Lake Monoun…AHADJI ABDOU: I thought it was a car accident. I stopped my bicycle and I stood still. I saw dead people all over the road. I knew something terrible had happened here. I thought I was going to die.
NARRATOR: Within hours 37 people would be found dead. Strange stories of how they had died were reaching the nearby village.
and another
NARRATOR: It was the smell of rotten eggs and gunpowder, a strange smelling white cloud. At first he had no idea what it could be, but there was one other clue: all 37 people had died on the road that ran past the lake. Wherever the killer had come from Sigurdsson was now convinced that it must have something to do with the lake, so he decided to venture out onto the water.
So at Monoun there is a smell of Sulfur compounds, but none are detected either here or at Nyos. Hmmmm
Sigurdsson is UK trained – PhD Durham 1970, first degree Belfast….
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haraldur_Sigurdsson
expertise – Pompeii…..dinosaur extinction….
He’s certainly a Nyos gatekeeper.
He was awarded the Coke Medal of the Geological Society of London in 2004 [professor in Rhode Island since 1974]
In 2007 the subject was revisited.
http://sp.lyellcollection.org/content/273/1/165.abstract
Exploding lakes in myth and reality: an African case studyEugenia Shanklin [Geological Society special publication]
this is all we can see as mere fakeologist mortals:Ultimately the causes of the explosion were scientifically determined to have been limnological. They were part of a process, much like the opening of a champagne bottle, in which carbon dioxide that has collected at the bottom rises quickly to the top and, following the ‘pop’ of the cork, sends out a liquid mixture of wine and carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide at the bottom of small Lake Nyos (roughly the size and shape of New York’s Chrysler Building; 319m in height) was disturbed by an unknown force that caused it to ‘pop’ out as a deadly cloud about 700 m long, deep and wide. Stories about ‘misbehaving’ or exploding lakes had circulated in the region for many years before the 1986 explosion, and continue to circulate. This article summarizes eighty years of myth collection carried out by ethnographers, historians, administrators and missionaries who visited prior to the 1986 explosion. It also adds information about myth transformations and new folklore explanations for the Nyos explosion over 13 years following the explosion, and contributes to the discussion of implications for disaster relief in any large-scale catastrophe.
exploding trousers?
Finally we have another report
http://www.astrobio.net/news-exclusive/killer-lakes-part-i/
Killer Lakes Parts 1-3 by Kevin Krajick May 2004
Astrobiology Magazine
Kevin went places scientific groups and journalists have had difficulty getting to….hmmmmKrajick’s article, “Defusing Africa’s Killer Lakes”, first appeared in the September 2003 issue Smithsonian Magazine, and was subsequently honored by receiving the Walter Sullivan Award for Excellence in Science Journalism. His articles have appeared in National Geographic, Newsweek, The New York Times, Science, Discover, Audubon, Natural History, Smithsonian and many other publications.
Some strange comments here
http://www.dibussi.com/2006/08/the_lake_nyos_d.html
Martin Nkemngu: I Was the First Journalist to Visit Lake Nyos after the Disaster | Main | The Lake Nyos Disaster 20 Years After (II):Explaining Death by Toxic Carbon Dioxide Cloud »
August 21, 2006
The Lake Nyos Disaster 20 Years After (I): Revisiting Israeli ConnectionBy Dibussi Tande
– See more at: http://www.dibussi.com/2006/08/the_lake_nyos_d.html#sthash.NmJkHGDi.dpuf
the “webcam” is discontinued…
INMARSAT has announced the dates for the closure of the R-BGAN service at the end of 2008.
However, I believe there is ample evidence showing that the “perfect coincidence theory” regarding the Israelis is based on a false premise and wrong timeline. – See more at: http://www.dibussi.com/2006/08/the_lake_nyos_d.html#sthash.NmJkHGDi.dpuf
comment by George Akum
There is actually a “Lake Nyos Demonstration kit” used by students in the US to recreate what happened in Nyos.
An Experiment You Can Perform. Read below:
************************************Earth science teacher Rod Benson of Helena, Montana, teaches his students about the density of gases with his ingenious “Lake Nyos Demonstration, which is available in a kit from “WARD’s Natural Science Establishment” for $49.95 (for more information, see http://formontana.net/nyosdemo.html and http://www.wardsci.com/Product.asp_Q_cm_E_1_A_pn_E_360730).
– See more at: http://www.dibussi.com/2006/08/the_lake_nyos_d.html#sthash.NmJkHGDi.dpuf[don’t try this at home – you’ll have a house full of dead cows]
The Red Trousers….to match the red lake….[at Monoun,1984]
One survivor was Joseph Nkwain from the village of Subum, who described his experience in a 1999 interview:
“I heard my daughter snoring in a terrible way, very abnormal . . . When crossing to my daughter’s bed . . . I collapsed and fell. I was there till nine o’clock in the morning . . . until a friend of mine came and knocked at my door . . . I was surprised to see that my trousers were red, had some stains like honey. . . .I opened the door . . . I wanted to speak, my breath would not come out . . . My daughter was already dead . . . I went into my daughter’s bed, thinking that she was still sleeping. I slept till it was 4:30 p.m. in the afternoon . . . on Friday. (Then) I managed to go over to my neighbors’ houses. They were all dead.”
When these large bubbles raced towards the lake surface, their suction force drew more of the stagnant water up into the lower-pressure area, liberating even more CO2, and triggering a runaway chain-reaction.
hmmmmmm
all this nonsense – CO2 burns! what did the bad smell come from? – sent the Wiki editors into a gaseous eruption:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3ALake_Nyos
It can’t be easy squaring the hoax circle for Wiki pages.
Someone makes a very good point: not an iota about the biota of the lake…There must be rather interesting plants an possibly fish in there. Bacteria at least. Is anything known about that? 84.160.210.182 17:54, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
I, too, am struck by the lack of any discussion of the biota of this lake. While I acknowledge that the unusual dissolved-gas regime may preclude most forms of life, I have to think that there are some life forms that would thrive
Indeed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limnic_eruption
The Messel pit fossil deposits of Messel, Germany, show evidence of a limnic eruption there in the early Eocene. Among the victims are perfectly preserved insects, frogs, turtles, crocodiles, birds, anteaters, insectivores, early primates and paleotheres.
one to bookmark for later.
In January 2001, a single pipe was installed by the French-Cameroun team on Lake Nyos and two more pipes have been installed in 2011 with funds from the United Nations Development Programme.[7][8]
Are we teeing up an event at Lake Kivu in Rwanda? 2000 times “larger” than Nyos with millons living nearby…volcanic Mounts Nyiragongo Nyamulagira on standby,,
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/aug/16/rwanda-gas-lake-kivu
They are extracting Methane allegedly from the bottom of Lake Kivu for a power plant…
Historically, Lake Kivu’s gas has been a killer. Deaths attributed to invisible pockets of carbon dioxide rising from vents along the shoreline, known as mazukus, or “evil winds”, are frequently reported, especially on the Congo side.
Cindy Ebinger, a professor of earth sciences at the University of Rochester in the US, who co-authored a study earlier this year that described Kivu as possibly “one of the most dangerous lakes in the world”, said: “You don’t even want to think about the scale of the devastation that could occur.”
How the Kibuye power plant works..
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