December 18, 2015 at 6:54 am #499287
July 2013 Brétigny-sur-Orge near Paris.
We see some familiar disaster themes, rows of fire engines doing nothing, a huge crane, some odd photos. What was faked here?
the rusty tracks…
The smiling crisis actors … http://www.20minutes.fr/societe/diaporama-3601-photo-742035-deraillement-mortel-train-bretigny-orge
the familiar scraps of metal, a crash favorite http://www.20minutes.fr/societe/diaporama-3601-photo-742115-deraillement-mortel-train-bretigny-orge
Lots of drill overtime for the pompiers, doing nothing
Lack of damage before the emergency services have got to work
The visit of the president http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23295815
more crisis actors
Clapham, 25th anniversary, French style.
December 18, 2015 at 7:08 am #499303
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More cheerful and smirking crisis actor photos at Brétigny-sur-Orge-
same old faces, so not many of them in the cast
more emergency service overtime submissions
All the videos you need to see for this major disaster drill
http://lci.tf1.fr/france/faits-divers/un-train-deraille-a-bretigny-dans-l-essonne-8126107.htmlDecember 18, 2015 at 7:22 am #499306
Another fake, this time brought to you by the Spanish government, HQ Madrid [q.v.]
Saint-Jacques de Compostelle
The train’s conductor, Francisco Jose Garzon Amo, 52 covered in moulage
candles, flowers, the big crane, the undamaged tracks…
head of government
The 9/11 quote, heroic fireman, a child for added emotion
scattered wagons, perfect tracks. Total drill.
December 18, 2015 at 7:35 am #499351
Puts cellphone to his bloodied ear…perhaps he went deaf in the other
Anything the French can do, the Spaniards can do even better, and so soon afterwards.
We need an English speaking traveller-survivor to get the story out to the English speaking world
Expat salesman Mark Woodward, 38, was pulled from the wreckage with serious stomach injuries after the crash, which also injured 168.
Last night Mark’s mother Janice, 61, and sister Melanie, 40, were at his bedside after flying out from their home in Mansfield, Notts.
He wept as he tried to relive the moments leading up to the crash, near Santiago de Compostela in north-western Spain, on Wednesday.
Mark’s stepfather, Robert Spencer, 66, said: “All he remembers is the train was going really fast. He doesn’t remember the actual crash.
“He has a broken pelvis, broken ribs and had his spleen removed. A friend sat with him through the night and at one point it looked like he wouldn’t pull through. Doctors are now saying he’s out of danger.”
Mark has lived in the area with Spanish-born wife Isabella for seven years. They have a son Liam, five.
Can we just do that again?
PS one more from Paris…
December 7, 2017 at 7:38 am #851499
For a long time, I have been meaning to get round to the 1975 subway train “disaster” at Moorgate in the City of London February 28 1975 , 30 years before 7/7 but the same sealed environment.
Memorials – yes, but only after more than 30 years; one on the station wall, another in the centre of Finsbury Square
“The memorial is itself down to the campaigning efforts of Historian Richard Jones”
As psyopticon noted, a safe pair of hands was used at the inquests into this and other “outrages” in the City of London coroner, Dr David Paul
The reporting has that ring of fakery around it
“A death toll of at least 42 people is expected…”
Yes, they knew the numbers…and the total ends up as…. 43.
No lingering deaths.
The reason for the accident has never been fully proved — with speculation ranging from driver action to faults on the train.
Extracting people from the tunnel proved to be an exceptionally difficult task, and it took 13 hours to remove all the survivors. It took four days for the emergency services to reach the body of the train driver, Leslie Newson.
the usual “complex” drill operation.
and the usual drill like images [c.f. 7/7 and every other hoax]
source – http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1240625/Thirty-years-Britains-worst-Tube-crash-victims-son-asks-Did-suicidal-driver-kill-42-innocent-passengers.html
A Sunday Times reporter’s father [ex-police…] is among the listed dead – Bernard Marks of 74 Broad Common Estate, Osbaldeston Road, Stoke Newsington N16. Administration 9 July 1975, £3061; born 1907…aged 68
There is some lively discussion on this blog post about the unveiling of the memorial in 2013, still continuing in 2017
Annette Byczkowska says:
February 12, 2014 at 2:27 pm
I appreciate what you have done which you did not have to do. You have had the dedication to see this through. I am not sure if you will get this message please contact me for news of LT placing a plaque at the end of the month at Moorgate Station. Perhaps you know of this already but get in touch please. I am the sister of Antony BYCZKOWSKI who died in this awful tragedy. Annette.
Janet Goddard says:
August 3, 2013 at 8:54 pm
Richard…well done for this…I am delighted that a memorial has now been unveiled to recognise those lost in such a horrific accident. I am very sad that we knew nothing about it until after the unveiling as my Mother lost her sister in it and would have desperately wanted to have attended the event. Nonetheless…
Kim Donovan says:
August 5, 2013 at 4:41 pm
As the sister in law of Janice Donovan can any body help us with a query?
We was not notified as a family about the memorial ceremony even thou we are still living at the same address as the time of the crash. ***
Was any one else notified and how?
Janet Goddard says:
October 8, 2013 at 7:48 am
Hi Kim (Donovan)…we are at the same address too and we knew nothing about it…we only heard later on and went to see it and put flowers there after the event…but we were really sad not to have know prior to the event as we would have attended…
[Janice Patricia Donovan, Billet Road, Walthamstow E17. Also born 1955! No probate]
One of the commenters tries to discover more about journalist Marks’ crazy story as reported in the 2010 Mail article, but can’t track Marks down in person
Four weeks after the accident, having digested all the available news, my first step was to discover who had been involved.
This I did from City of London Coroner Dr David Paul, who ‘encouraged’ me to steal the transcript of the inquest from his safe.
I’d never considered myself a safe-breaker, but I did take the 900-page document, rushed back to my office to have it photocopied – and had it back in the coroner’s safe before he returned from his lunch appointment.
As well as being the verbatim transcript, the document contained the names and addresses of all those killed, along with pathologists’ reports as to the causes of death.
Gary Thomas says:
October 4, 2013 at 6:04 am
I was the second police officer on scene on that fateful day I was barely out of training school when the disaster happended. Myself and my collegue Robert Hennessey also a City of London Police officer arrived seconds before I did on his motorcycle and together we made our way down to the platform.
I am the officer described in the text above talking about the heat.
if you wish to contact me or anyone else my email address is gary6horncastle@hotma il.co. uk
Cathy Higgins says:
October 31, 2013 at 11:43 pm
My sister, Rosemarie Mansi, **died in The Moorgate crash and was the last to be brought out before the driver. My mother and brother both remained in the area, my mother at the same address for most of her life so it’s surprising that we had no contact. We certainly would have attended, had we known. Having said that, I would like to express heartfelt thanks to those who obviously worked so hard to make this memorial happen, especially Richard Jones.
both b. 1955
[Rosemary Mansi 230 Lymington Road, Wood Green, N222 admin April 14, £740]
Here’s the facebook group, for “survivor stories” and so on
Looks like a drill, doesn’t it?
My father was one of the first responding London Ambulance Service crews who attended the scene on that day. He spent 9 days at the scene assisting with the Body recovery. My mother remembers him coming home a the end of each day covered in soot and dirt… Little did I know that I was 6 months old on the day of accident that I would be doing the same during 7/7 with the Metropolitan Police in 2005. Moorgate is a story that I have told here in Canada, where I now serve as a police officer, about the amazing efforts and tenacity of the emergency services that day and normal bystanders who helped.
Below is a photo showing my father, Brian, at the scene. He is wearing his LAS forage cap standing at the back in front of the police officer speaking to someone.
more stories from the blog…
Marion Coward [nee Cornish] June 3 2016 Dear Terry-
I was a teacher at Barnsbury Girls School at the time of the accident and it touched our lives as one girl lost her brother* and another Emer O Brien, lost her mum( Mary O Brien).
* not named – why? [Mary Teresa O’Brief, 6 Aubert Court, Avenell Road, Highbury N5 Admin September 23rd £612]
Andrew Cooper says:
October 6, 2017 at 12:41 am
My brother PC 664 David Cooper London City Police was 1 of the 1st people on the scene at the Moorgate Distaster. He was left in charge to identify the bodies & inform their relatives . For which he received the Freedom of the City of London.
Plenty more drill quality images on this page
A full lists of alleged victims to follow
*** Really? crash in 1975. Kim married in 1981.
She was engaged to her boyfriend Roger but she still lived with her parents Joan and Fred in Billet Road, Walthamstow.
source – The End of the Line by Richard M Jones, which is the official narrative, which all psy-ops must have.
December 7, 2017 at 8:54 am #851507
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PS Kim is speaking of her parents who are still in E17
from the official narrative book…
Nearby lived Stephen Kenneth Payne, of Rowden Road, Chingford E4, born 1956 who, according to the official narrative, wanted to be a police officer. He’s another who left no assets…and the two families became friends afterwards
It was a few days after the crash, on Tuesday 4th March, that Stephen Payne’s parents Sheila and Ken saw the story of Janice Donovan…they lived round the corner…
We also read in the book the 43rd victim only died on June 10, allegedly – obviously the other 42 died immediately – from ruptured kidneys. As is also customary, she had had a visit from royalty before “dying” in St Bartholomew’s Hospital, in the form of Prince Charles. No images available.
Jane Roberta Wynham Simpson b 1951 of 13 Highbury Crescent, Highbury N5 Administration of estate, £3926
There’s precious little information about
o her available. b 29 November 1951 so we’re told, but it’s not recorded in England and Wales
As often is the case in these psy-ops, there is a paucity of injuries. In this case, Javier Gonzalez is the career injury from this event, still hawking his story around for the 40th anniversary..
Another 40th anniversary blog from the National Archives has also attracted the “relatives”
John T Pharro Mon 14 Nov at 6:51 pm A friend of ours was in the first fire crew to arrive at the accident. He said just clouds of dust were coming out from the tunnel. Just like it says in this article at first the fire service thought it was just one carriage and only after nearly a day did they establish there was two other carriages one jackknifed over the top. One memory I have is the last survivor, many days after the accident waving from his stretcher on being taken to hospital. Sadly he died, if my memory serves me right, a few days later from kidney failure.
er, no, that’s an adapted Jane Simpson story…sounds like BS anyway.
The comment by Chris Myant, ex Morning Star newspaper, a communist daily, whose offices used to overlook Farringdon station, is interesting, suggesting that proposals for a trip mechanism system to be installed before subway termini needed forcing..
Jean Tue 7 Apr at 12:25 am Unfortunately I was on this train to Moorgate and was only 19 years old.
I remembered being in the second carriage , I am still haunted by the desperate cries of the the people trapped in other carriage.
I was made to understand that, a young police woman in the carriage with me had to have her ankle Amputated in order to save her.
I still find it so hard to travel on the tube.
Sarah Wed 6 May at 4:57 pm My mother was also on the train-in the same carriage as yourself I believe. She was slightly older than you (23 at the time)-she rarely speaks of the crash, and has only recently been able to travel on the underground-I know she finds it hard still.
Lisa cook Thu 14 May at 12:45 pm Hi. My Aunty Janet cook age 17 **at the time died on that train. My dad finds it so hard to get on trains and it had driven my grandad mad, and my nan died very young as she never got over it. There’s no justice.
** she has two birth dates recorded, 28 July 1953 and 28 July 1956,[the latter is probably correct] which would mean she was 18 in February 1975…not 17.
Lisa cook Thu 14 May at 12:26 pm Hi I’m too young to even know about it. But my Aunty Janet cook died age 17. My dad never talks about it but since my grandad has gotten older and I’ll and suffering with dementia he has been reliving it over and over and has had to be placed in a mental home on meds that r helping him. I just can’t understand how the London underground didn’t take the blame regardless of what they tried to say about the driver. My grandad has been driven mad by it, my nan died living with a gap in her heart that she could never get over and my dad lost his little sister. Where is the justice.
Janet Marie Cook 3 The Woodlands, Aberdeen Park Highbury N5 administration 26 january 1976 £843
JANET LEFT THIS WORLD IN THE MOORGATE DISASTER IT IS BELIEVED SHE WAS IN THE FRONT CARRIAGE SHE WAS A VERY CLOSE FAMILY FRIEND, TO MY FAMILY THE GREEN’S WE HAD KNOWN ONE ANOTHER SINCE WE WERE VERY SMALL. IT LEFT HER MUM AND DAD IN PIECES WHEN SHE WAS TAKEN AS AN ANGEL. SADLY AFTER MY PARENTS PASSED AWAY WE LOST CONTACT WITH THE FAMILY GOD BLESS THEM ALL LOVE SUE LAWRENCE(GREEN) X X XDecember 7, 2017 at 2:33 pm #851512
Breaking off from Mooregate for one minute…it came to my attention “it emerged, but not out of the tunnel” that there had been a reported subway train crash with fatalities in Stratford, where the 2012 Olympic games took place, in 1953.
And guess what – a Moorgate style plaque was only unveiled, without any names, in 2016!
The plaque will not be the last of its kind across the capital as London Underground plans future commemorations.
“We have a small series planned,” said Mike Ashworth, design and heritage manager at the Underground.
“We hope to mark a lot of sites associated with the Second World War.
uh oh! But emergency services were wonderful, as usual
The terrible crash is well noted for the valour and tirelessness of the nurses, doctors and even passers-by who laboured through the night to rescue travellers stuck in the tunnel’s wreckage.
The report into the crash stated that the last people were carried from the tunnel at 2.15am.
And here’s a video from the time of this drill 64 years ago
does it really look like 12 people [and 46 injured..] could have died in here?
46 people were injured or suffered from shock – it was the worst accident on the Tube network until 1975, when 43 people on a southbound Northern City Line train were killed when it crashed into a tunnel end at Moorgate station.
And this “accident” was closely followed less than two months later by an above ground rail crash less that two miles away! [4AM Sunday morning – say no more]
The driver of the electric train, motorman Walter Coley, 52, of 17 Bennetts Castle Lane, Dagenham was the only very seriously injured person and he was taken in a critical condition to Queen Mary’s hospital, Stratford.
The front of the electric coach was badly ripped open. The first two coaches were derailed and their windows smashed. Although there were several workmen on the train, none were badly injured. Some received bruises and minor cuts as they were thrown about by the jolt. Mr William Garwood of Orchard Street, Chelmsford fell heavily and injured his back. He was also taken to Queen Mary’s hospital.
The guard on the goods train. Mr George Dawson, 25 Culcross Buildings, Kings Cross was also taken to hospital with shock, but was not detained.
[Culross Buildings, railway staff tenements, demolished 2008]
December 12, 2017 at 11:16 am #851559
The only [!] list of “victims” of the Moorgate 1975 “disaster” is found in the book The End of the Line
The names are not full names, incidentally, a few of which I have mentioned previously.
Note also on p 193 the dramatic increase in underground train accidents in the 1980s, not all of which were ascribed to “IRA” bombings.
OK, let’s put them up
Jeffrey David Benton 66 Woodfield Drive EAst Barnet £2400 Died March 26
Stanley Ernest Clyde Boggis Flat 1 Beaver House 47/49 Highbury Park N5 £1445
Peter Bradbury 5 Highgate Terrace Mews N5 £1439
Antony Lucious Buczkowski London N7 [address above]
Hian Oon Chan Calabria Road N5 [no probate]?
Janet Marie Cook [as above] N5
Albert Frederick Corking 206 Boundary Road N22 died 4 March £14,805
Adrian Peter Crotty no UK probate [lived Highbury Park]
Irishman Adrian Crotty was a 24-year-old working at Barclays Bank and had only been in London for around six months. He didn’t like his job and was making plans to return to his native Kilkenny where his parents Rosaleen and Tom lived as well as his brother and sister [End of the Line]
His brother died in October 2017
CROTTY, Martin Gerard, (Monkstown) 7th October 2017. Son of the late Tom and Rosaleen Crotty. Brother of the late Adrian Crotty, Sailed ahead. Terribly missed by his partner Sabina Saar, his sister Marie Therese, brother-in-law Noel Gardiner, nephew Luke, aunts, uncles, cousins, all the Saar Family, his many sailing and college friends, business partners and friends.
Janice Patricia Donovan [E17 as previously noted
Kenneth Gareth Edwards Rushill Road SW!1 [no probate]
Sidney Eva 97 Mayes Road N22 £11,756
Therese Villi Giorgiades 306 Bowes Road N11 £750
Cecil Leonard Adair Leonard John 63 Muswell Road N10 £1558
Alistair Gordon 4 Canonbury Park South £44,594
Barbara Jessie Halford 53 Hind House, Harvest Estate N7 died March 4 £4258
Theresa Helen Hall, Moresby Road E5 [no probate]
Henry Patrick Hobbs Finmere House, Woodbury Down Estate N4 £3530
Gillian Mary Hughes 53 Hawksley road N16 £1631
Lina Vella Lombardo aka Calagero Lombardo
aka Vella Calogera Lolardo, b 14 April 1933
Probate as Calogero Lombardo 42 Crayford Road N7 died 14 May 1976!!! £1800
George Mackmurdie 7 Leith Road N22 £26,241
Michael John Maddocks-Watson aka MJW Watson, 6 Durham Road N7 £1726
List of vicsims to be continued….December 17, 2017 at 9:47 pm #851602
Ever heard of this one?
On 20 December 1984 a dangerous goods train passing through the Summit Tunnel on the Greater Manchester/West Yorkshire border, caught fire on the rail line between Littleborough and Todmorden, England.
The incident was one of an unfortunate series of railway accidents during 1984, coming only days after the fatal collision between an express passenger train and a train of fuel oil tankers at Eccles, Greater Manchester on 4 December. One day earlier on 3 December a train guard had been killed after a collision between a diesel multiple unit and parcels vans at Longsight also in Manchester. This third serious railway accident in the North West of England in less than 3 weeks led the Littleborough and Saddleworth MP Geoffrey Dickens to call for an inquiry into railway safety, in particular with respect to the conveyance of dangerous chemicals such as those involved in the accidents at Eccles and Summit Tunnel.
The train involved was the 01:40 freight train from Haverton Hill, Teesside to Glazebrook oil distribution terminal in Merseyside. It was formed by class 47 diesel locomotive 47 125 and 13 tankers.
At 05:50 on 20 December 1984, the train, carrying more than 1,000,000 litres (220,000 imp gal; 260,000 US gal) (835 tonnes or 822 long tons or 920 short tons) of four-star petrol in thirteen tankers, entered the tunnel on the Yorkshire (north) side travelling at 40 miles per hour (64 km/h).
One-third of the way through the tunnel, a defective axle bearing (journal bearing) derailed the fourth tanker, which caused the derailment of those behind. Only the locomotive and the first three tankers remained on the rails. One of the derailed tankers fell on its side and began to leak petrol into the tunnel. Vapour from the leaking petrol was probably ignited by the damaged axle box.
The three train crew members could see fire spreading through the ballast beneath the other track in the tunnel, so they left the train and ran the remaining mile to the south portal (where they knew there was a direct telephone connection to the signaller) to raise the alarm.
So far so good…
Crews from Greater Manchester Fire Brigade and West Yorkshire Fire Brigade quickly attended the scene. Co-ordination between the brigades appears to have worked well, perhaps because they had both participated in an emergency exercise in the tunnel a month before.
A convenient drill just the month before…
The train crew were persuaded to return to the train, where they uncoupled the three tankers still on the rails and used the locomotive to drive them out.
Ehh, if the fourth tanker was derailed and deattached, there was nothing to uncouple.
But if it was not deattached, how the heck do they decouple it, with twisted steel at the connection?
However, at 9.40 a.m., the pressure in one of the heated tankers rose high enough to open its pressure relief valves. The vented vapour caught fire and blew flames onto the tunnel wall. The wall deflected the flames both ways along the tunnel, and the bricks in the tunnel wall began to spall and melt in the flames. The BA crews from both brigades decided to evacuate. They managed to leave just before the first explosion rocked the tunnel.
But already now bricks melting? Was this an Auschwitz tunnel?
Left to itself, the fire burned as hot as it could. As the walls warmed up and the air temperature in the tunnel rose, all 10 tankers discharged petrol vapour from their pressure relief valves. Two tankers melted (at approximately 1,530 °C or 2,790 °F) and discharged their remaining loads as floods.
If the temperature is so hot in an open tunnel that tankers are melting, then they wouldn’t “discharge” the petrol as “floods”, it would burn immediately away.
But it gets “explained”…
The fuel supply to the fire was so rich that some of the combustibles were unable to find oxygen inside the tunnel with which to burn; they were instead ejected from vent shafts 8 and 9 as superheated, fuel-rich gases that burst into flame the moment they encountered oxygen in the air outside. At the height of the fire, pillars of flame approximately 45 metres (148 ft) high rose from the shaft outlets on the hillside above.
Really? So we have an open tunnel from both sides and several ventilation shafts (for the old steam trains), but somehow there was not “enough oxygen”?
Any witnesses for this more-than-spectacular view of 45 metre high flames?
The gases are estimated to have flowed up these shafts at 50 metres per second (110 mph). Air at this speed is capable of blowing around fairly heavy items: hot projectiles made from tunnel lining (rather like lava bombs from a volcano) were cast out over the hillside. These set much of the vegetation on fire, and caused the closure of the A6033 road.
So who was on the road at that moment in the morning to witness this volcanic eruption never seen before?
In the cleanup operation afterwards, small globules of metal were found on the ground surrounding shaft 9; these had been melted from the tanker walls, swept up with the exhaust gases, and dropped out onto the grass around the top of the shaft.
Right, tanker volcanoes near Manchester.
Unable to get close enough to safely fight the fire directly, the fire brigades forced high-expansion foam into ventilation shafts far from the fire. This created blockages that starved the fire of oxygen. By mid-afternoon the next day, the inferno was no longer burning, though the fire was by no means knocked down. Petrol continued to leak from the derailed wagons through the tunnel drainage and ballast and the vapour sporadically reignited when it came into contact with the hot tunnel lining.
So they closed off the tunnel entrances too? Or just the ventilation shafts far away? Then still there is fresh oxygen coming in.
It also became apparent that petrol vapour had leaked into the nearby River Roch, possibly creating explosive atmospheres in the nearby towns of Summit and Todmorden. Two hundred people were evacuated from their homes and workplaces in Walsden in response. They were allowed back home the next day.
The brigades continued to fight the fire for another two days, until West Yorkshire Fire Brigade issued the stop message just after 6:30 p.m. on Christmas Eve. Fire crews remained at the site until 7 January 1985.
Ah, luckily those brave fire fighters didn’t have to work on Christmas Eve. But the fire was not controlled, and the evacuated people led back to their houses… What if a huge Christmas bonfire would happen, not very responsible!
The damage done by the fire was minimal. Approximately half a mile of track had to be replaced, as did all the electrical services and signalling. The biggest surprise was how well the brick lining had stood up to the fire. Although some bricks in the tunnel and in the blast relief shafts had become so hot that they vitrified and ran like molten glass, most of the brickwork lining of the tunnel was scorched but still serviceable. One of the photographs taken in the aftermath shows a rail tanker directly beneath shaft 9: it is crowned with a mass of vitrified slag from bricks in the shaft that had melted and dripped down.
Typical schizo-wiki writing… The fire reached a whopping 1530 degrees C but actually nothing really happened. With “minimal damage”. 45 metre high volcanoes, but “surprise, surprise”, nothing to see here, move on folks…
The luck of those who fought it: the BR train crew who returned to the site to rescue a locomotive and three tankers left the fire site shortly before one of the other petrol tankers filled the tunnel with flames. The firefighters in BA sets who were in the tunnel when it filled with flames were saved because blast relief shafts 8 and 9 acted as flame vents (a function their designer never envisaged).
Ah yes, of course, you have 1 million litres of petrol in 10 tankers in a blazing inferno melting tankers in a tunnel, but two little vents solved the whole problem. We all know fires never spread horizontally…
The biggest tunnel fire of history, but with minimal damage.
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"A truth seeker is someone who dares to wade through thick series of toxic smoke screens and tries not to inhale" - Gaia (2017)
"What do you call 'genius'?" "Well, seeing things others don't see. Or rather the invisible links between things." - Vladimir Nabokov (1938)December 18, 2017 at 7:09 am #851604
Excellent analysis, Gaia, of one of those many disaster drills which populated the 1970s and 1980s.
There are enough red flags here for it to be called out as a staged event.
Geoffrey Dickens’ constituency was very close to the location of the fire, indeed he had form elsewhere in setting up a long lasting paper chase of child and satanic abuse and top level “paedophile rings” for the news industry and courts around the same time before promptly “dying”, conveniently, aged 63 in 1995, with no cause of death noted
Why were the highly photogenic flames only emerging from two of the 12 operational vents in the tunnel? Where are the photos of the wrecked tank wagons being recovered? [evacuate the area to ensure no awkward photos are produced]
The story of the train crew rescuing three wagons is utter BS.
There’s only one i can find of which might have been staged anywhere and it seems much sharper than all other 1980s photos…..indeed, the West Yorks fire brigade, on whose border this event took place, have pinched their image from the blog!
I found these posts helpful with imagery – helpful in confirming my bias…
Christmas and New Year are peak times for hoaxes, as political news is slow and the bulletins need filling. Another incident in 2010, allegedly caused by ice falling onto the track [through one of the ventilation shafts], occurred between Christmas and New Year. Hmmmm
We find no images of any derailed train, just a block of ice.
Quite why the tunnel needed to be closed for eight months is suspicious in view of the lack of damage. Perhaps some structural work needed doing, or it was another way for the controllers to cause addition inconvenience and constraints to the human rats trapped in their cage
How were the two fires staged? We’ll never know exactly. But we do have to remember these hoaxes, anniversaries are important – here’s the 30th:
Thursday December 20, 1984, started out like any other day for train driver Stanley Marshall.
The crew, which also included guard Graham Broadbent and area guard Stanley Smalley, who was getting a lift home…
Mr Marshall, who started out on the railways as a 15-year-old lad, told the Observer: “It was pitch black and we were rattling along at the usual speed when all of a sudden I felt a big shudder.
“I knew straight away we’d derailed and said to the guard ‘quick, jump off’.
“He looked back and saw there were sparks and flames shooting off everywhere – we just ran for it.”
Retired firefighter Bob Bonner [who now runs the Greater Manchester Fire Service Museum], then station officer at Rochdale, was in charge of one of the first crews to reach the mouth of the tunnel.
Mr Bonner lives with his wife of 33 years, Linda, in Smithy Bridge.
They have a son Simon, a computer engineer, but tragically their daughter Sarah died in an airplane crash in Oxfordshire last year.
Remarkably at this point the train’s crew was persuaded by firefighters to go back into the tunnel and uncouple the three tankers still on the rails before using the locomotive to drive them out.
Lying on their stomachs on a push trolley Mr Marshall and Mr Broadbent returned to the loco and got back behind the wheel – and completed the trip to Glazebrook.
The last wagon was not removed until March 1, 1985 by which time most of the tunnel had been repaired.
[so keep it closed for a further 4.5 months…***]
But for Mr Marshall, who was presented with a bravery award and given £100 by British Rail for his heroics, it left a mental scar which still affects him to this day.
Incredibly he was back at work the next day, driving the same route, which was diverted through the Diggle tunnel to the south.
But six weeks later, while driving through a tunnel, he would suffer the first of a number of panic attacks, which eventually led to him being forced to give up the job he loved.
Speaking at his home in Worsley, where now lives with his wife Helen, the 80-year-old grandfather of two said: “I was just doing my job.
But not by the book…
In the rush to flee the burning vehicles and fumes driver Stanley Marshall had no time to place track circuit operating clips on the track to change all signals to danger, but told the accident inquiry that he would have attempted to warn any oncoming trains by waving his lamp. As his train had not yet left the tunnel and still occupied the signalling section its rear was protected by a red light.
*** British Rail’s Preston area civil engineer Stewart Duncan oversaw the work, which could not begin until the charred wreckage of the burned out tankers could be cut into small pieces and removed on small trolleys over a three-month period. Only in March 1985 could a full civil engineering assessment finally be undertaken
Aha! What a total drill hoax. But a clever one.
December 18, 2017 at 11:49 am #851606
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Not quite a train crash, but a railway accident, which I discovered while looking at the tunnel drill which Gaia brought up and which had passed me by….
A late period steam train allegedly “blew back” near Crewe, one man was burnt to death, another “jumped clear” [as in the Summit tunnel hoax]
The George Medal for bravery [eh?] was subsequently awarded to the driver
which, years later, mysteriously appeared on the open market with little in the way of provenance. Indeed in 2017, the matter was raised by a local vicar who admitted that the “hero” who had received the George Medal, was buried, unbelievably, in an unmarked grave [allegedly] in St Matthew’s, Haslington.
33 [yes!] seems a young age to be driving an express steam train in those days…
After setting off from Crewe station on June 5 1965 at the controls of ‘Britannia’ No. 70051 Firth of Forth with a Euston-Carlisle express, a severe blowback occurred just outside Crewe which filled the cabin with smoke and flames. Driver Oakes suffered severe burns in the incident but remained at the controls while the engine was ablaze to bring the train to halt, protecting his passengers from harm. Wallace received 80% burns and later died of his injuries.
His fireman, Gwilym Roberts, was also badly injured but managed to jump clear and summon medical help. He provided a first-hand account of Wallace’s heroism which led to the posthumous award of the George Cross on October 19 1965.
The medal was introduced by King George VI and is the highest civilian honour. Only six railway workers have received the George Cross making it extremely rare.
Driver Oakes had married Dorothy Irene Leggett locally in 1956, but there were no children. Indeed I can find no trace of her birth, or indeed of any subsequent existence of her. However, there was administration of his estate [£3190] within two months, Oakes having died allegedly on June 12 in Wythenshawe Hospital, Manchester. His address was given as 6 Sandy Lane,Wheelock Heath, Sandbach.
[Railway journalist] Geoff [Courtney] now wants to appeal to see if there are any living members of Wally’s family, to seek permission to give Wally a proper headstone….understands from his research that Wally’s widow may have sold the medal after falling on hard times.
“Around 1996 I believe he had a relative, Jene Oakes and sister, Audrey,” Geoff said.
So, what happened to the widow?
’In 1981 the Class 86 electric locomotive no. 86260 was named Driver Wallace Oakes GC
A phrase stands out, which is recycled in various places but with no original attribution, perhaps a hoaxy side story to fluff up the narrative…
the pain was such that he had to be suspended above his hospital bed and given large doses of morphineDecember 18, 2017 at 7:30 pm #851609
I must have been literally and metaphorically asleep in 1984, because also in December 1984 [lol!] two weeks prior to the Summit tunnel “disaster”, and only about 20 miles away, we had…another fuel tanker crash inferno!
when a passenger train, unusually with no passengers in the first carriage, allegedly, rear ended a fuel oil train, with subsequent fire. Right next to a dual carriageway road.
Plenty of photos exist of the clean up
the main news bulletin provided images of the flames
Nice fire at 4:44, and 6:18 to 6:48 very Summit tunnel like. Observe the massive drill turn-out of ambulances none of them seeming to be receiving any “patients” [because the “packed” passenger train was probably empty] “injured Danny Hughes looked right as rain [7:24] duly backed up by his girlfriend Anne Marie Muldoon “just panic really …Danny opened the door for us” ***
Nurse “Christine Grimshaw” was also pretty unconvincing. And the rear three tankers became detached, echoed also in the Summit tunnel….”The sixth serious train crash since June”
The hospital spokesman Frank Burns [sic!] is reading from the familiar drill script. Major incident plan implemented. An obvious staged event. 2 killed, allegedly. How many injured? You’ve guessed already, 77
A busy few months for “train crashes” in the UK, here’s another one from October 1984, October 11 to be precise, at Wembley.
Note “witness survivor” Andrew Purvis from 4.32 onwards -smashed against the window, the man underneath him “just went” [out the window]
Are we finished with 1984? Not quite
A touch of the Lac Megantics there.
*** In 1986, the couple married in St Helens district, dear reader and still live there…
http://www.holyspirit.st-helens.sch.uk/about-us/holy-spirit-staffDecember 20, 2017 at 2:10 pm #851626
Moorgate “victims” continued
Rosemarie Mansi b 1955 230 Lymington Road Wood Green N22 £749
Bernard Marks b 1907 74 Broad Common Estate, Osbaldeston Road, N16 E3061
Geoffrey Charles Marsh Date of birth given as UNKNOWN on death certificate!]
107 Offord Road N1 £3624
Elizabeth Christina or Christine Marsden b1925 32 Skomer Walk Marquess Estate, Essex Road, N1 £2798
Sherifat Adebukohla Mayaleke aka Serifat Adebukunola Mayaleke 70 The Highlands N4 £2160
date of birth unknown! “dead body found March 2”
Alla-Uddin Nasim aka M Alaudin Nasim Date of birth unknown !!! £3528 Administration December 30 1976
Nazikan Nasim aka Nasira Begum Nasim Date of birth unknown !!! 3 Tyndale Terrace, N1 Administration £7 December 30 1976
Leslie Benjamin Newson [driver] date of birth unknown 24 Palm Tree House, Barlborough Street SE14. E3265 died March 4
Mary Teresa O’Brien d.o.b. unknown! 6 Aubert Court, Avenell Road, Highbury N5 £612
Stephen Kenneth Payne dob May 1 1956 No estate [Rowden Road Chingford]
Joan Lilian Phelps d.o.b. unknown 5 Barnston Walk, Popham Street N1 £614
Donald Robert Prevost b May 27 1922 died March 1, 102 Walmington Fold, N12. £29,564
David Peter Redfearn b. Nov. 19 1949 25 Weston Park, Hornsey N8 “dead body found March 1” £841
Chiman Lal Shah, aka Chimanlal Mahanlal Shah b Feb 28 1939, !26 Russell Avenue, Wood Green N22 £28,154
Jane Roberta Wynham Simpson b Nov 29 1951 13 Highbury Crescent N5 died June 10, £3926
Shamin Syed aka Shameen Shamerm Banu Syed aka Shamerm Banu Syed, b Nov 26 1949 No estate
Thomas Henry Thrower dob 30 Dec 1915. 92 Aubert Court, Avenell Road, N5 died March 4 £5730
Colin Ward dob Aug 6 1950 544 Lordship Lane Wood Green N22 died March 4 £7245
David Wilson dob unknown! but aka David George Wilson for probate purposes of 34 Hume Court, Hawes Street, N12 £909
Frederick John Wonderling dob unknown 85 Citizen House, Harvest Estate N7 £5772
End of deaths.
It seems highly suspicious that so many “victims” of this “accident” have their “deaths” registered without any accompanying date of birth. They really do stand out in the original printed records like a red flag.
to be continued….December 23, 2017 at 4:26 pm #851656
Funny business in the former Yugoslavia, Croatia to be exact.
Following on from a piece which mentioned the uncanny coincidence of a Croatian Airline hijacking in New York occurring the same day as a mid air collision over Vrbovec near Zagreb,
I notice that two years prior to this, also in Zagreb, one of the worst European railway disasters ever ….
An unbelievable, yes, totally unbelievable 152 people were killed outright in the train crash.
There are some red flags in the air crash which suggest it might have been staged but that’s for another thread.
What is fascinating is that Croatian scientists were pre-eminent in the vicsim identification simulation following 9/11! [Zoran Budimlija et al, Croatian Medical Journal, 2003] Budimlima worked at the NY Medical Examiner’s Office.
In fact the CMJ is the go-to publication for papers on Disaster Victim Identification, Mass Graves, etc. Hmmmmm
e.g this 2015 paper on WW2 mass graves.
We must be suspicious of any of this DVI research, using DNA, dental or other identifiers.
Here’s the paper, published in ….December 1 2001, straight after 9/11 in the Croatian Medical Journal
Dumanci? J. et al
Dental identification after two mass disasters in Croatia.
viz. the 1974 and 1976 rail and air “disasters”. Excellent timing.
Back to 1974…
The train was travelling from Belgrade to Dortmund – a nice parallel with the DC9 which crashed in 1976 with the British Airways Trident, it was travelling to Cologne in Germany from Zagreb.
We have the familiar and expected monument to “victims” in the same cemetery as the rather cursory memorial to a few of the BA 476 “victims”.
The tell-tale sign of a drill – “At least” 100 killed, said the NYT
In Vienna, a spokesman for tile Austrian national railway said that most, if not all the casualties had been caused by electrocution when the live, cables hit the train. The Zagreb television report said the locomotive had separated from the coaches and continued by itself, stopping after about 400 yards.
A Zagreb police spokesman, who described the crash as “the worst accident ever to happen on Yugoslav railroads,” said 93 injured people had been taken to hospitals in police cars and ambulances. Others were taken away in army vehicles, private cars and taxis.
Familiar ground, an improbable 3:2 ratio of deaths to injuries…
Another suspicious Yugo mass death event is mentioned there…
On Feb. 14, 1971, fire spread through a passenger train stopped in a tunnel near Zenica, in central Yugoslavia, killing 34 people and injuring more than 100.
Did it really?
..and a national day of mourning
There’s some footage of the wreckage site here
Does it look as if that number of people really were electrocuted beyond recognition [hence the DVI exercise] here?
Coming right up to date
Here’s an April 2017 staged railway accident at a level crossing in Nöbdenitz-Lohmathe, former GDR – the give away being the crowd of do-nothing firefighters standing in front of the loco, hiding the impact zone.
Only 3 “dead”.December 24, 2017 at 7:17 am #851664
Isn’t a train a Faraday Cage? So how can outside cables even cause “electrocution” inside the train?
And how does electrocution cause victims to become unrecognizable?
Those stories never make any sense.
"A truth seeker is someone who dares to wade through thick series of toxic smoke screens and tries not to inhale" - Gaia (2017)
"What do you call 'genius'?" "Well, seeing things others don't see. Or rather the invisible links between things." - Vladimir Nabokov (1938)December 24, 2017 at 9:58 am #851665
Isn’t a train a Faraday Cage? So how can outside cables even cause “electrocution” inside the train?
And how does electrocution cause victims to become unrecognizable?
Those stories never make any sense.
I was interpolating, @gaia, but it all smacks of a simulation.
Individual victim identification and autopsy forms, and group identification reports were analyzed
Of the railway accident victims, 111 were identified. Dental characteristics, along with clothes, personal descriptions, personal documents, fingerprints, and jewelry, proved to be decisive in 5% of the cases.
Why even six people would need to be identified by dental records is too silly for words.
Having a quick look at the 1971 crash in Bosnia – 33 or 34 dead, depending on source and 117 injured [improbable, but a more realistic ratio of dead:injured than Zagreb.
6am on a Sunday morning…seems a good time for a drill in the tunnel.
Reuters supplied the NYT with the drill script
“At least 34…”
At least 34 persons died and 113 were injured today when a fire, started when diesel fuel ignited by an elec trical spark that spread through a local train in a tunnel in central Yugoslavia.
A medical officer said that most of the victims had died of gas poisoning, and a railroad inspector said that nothing serious would have happened if the train had been in the open instead of in the tunnel.
The accident occurred when the engine of the train, most of whose 200 passengers were factory workers and miners, caught fire in the Vranduk tunnel, near Zenica. An electrical spark had ignited between three and four tons of diesel fuel in the loco motive’s reservoir, and the fire spread quickly to the other cars.
The engineer and the fireman on the train were arrested pending an investigation, and today and tomorrow were declared days of national mourning.
The train stopped when the fire broke out, and passengers headed for the tunnel exit, about 300 yards away.
A doctor said that there would have been fewer casual ties if rescuers could have reached the train sooner. But they were kept away for many hours by the intense heat before the flames could be extinguished.
The injured passengers—60 or them were seriously hurt— were taken to a hospital in Zenica.
There seem to be no images of the charred vehicles or locomotive [an easy hoax to carry out imo] but we are treated to the familiar chequer board of mug shots of “victims”
from a 45th anniversary “commemoration” blog.
I’d keep my eyes on the 2014 opened “March 1st ” 3 km long road tunnel from Zenica to Sarajeco for future underground disaster psy-ops.
January 4, 2018 at 4:06 pm #851809
2018 has only just started and the perps have chosen South Africa for their latest train disaster drill hoax, Kroonstad the staging area.
Some of the bodies are “burnt beyond recognition”
Of course they are.. suuuure.
Here’s the usual “citizen journalist” clip for spreading throughout the world
— Marius Müller (@Marius4060) January 4, 2018
Thanks Marius. Nobody died, nobody got hurt in this drill.
certainly not “at least 18” dead and 268 injured [an interesting estimated number]
From the Guardian…
“The pathologists who are here have given us the assurance they are convinced that the number of dead, 18, will be the final number,” [Mthuthuzeli Swartz, the acting chief executive of the Passenger Rail Agency] told AFP, adding that 88 crash survivors remained in hospital.
Some of the wounded were treated on a strip of grass beside the railway line, while others were taken to hospital. Uninjured passengers waited on a nearby road, some of them carrying their luggage. **
The new year is a busy period for transport in South Africa, with railways and roads carrying passengers returning to work after the holidays.
…and a busy period for hoaxes. He’s pretty sure nobody is going to die in hospital. Well, nobody died full stop. An economy disaster drill.
** see the actors in the videos
January 7, 2018 at 9:12 am #851826
- This reply was modified 8 months, 2 weeks ago by xileffilex.
Yesterday, 165 years ago:
On a chilly January 6, 1853, Pierce, his wife, and his 11-year-old son, Benny, traveled by train from Andover back home to Concord, New Hampshire. The family, having been in Massachusetts for a funeral, boarded the two-car locomotive at around 1 p.m. But minutes after settling in their seats, tragedy struck.
One of the train’s axles suddenly fractured, and the Pierces’ car tumbled off the tracks and down a 20-foot embankment. The train car, according to a New York Times account of the wreck, “broke in pieces like a cigar box.” The accident resulted in several injuries and one fatality: 11-year-old Benny Pierce, who was nearly decapitated and killed instantly.
Within a few seconds, fate would have Franklin and Jane Pierce attending another funeral days later. In fact, it would be the funeral of Bennie.
Within seconds of realizing the train was about to fall, the President-Elect was able to grasp his wife and son, but as the motion jarred them, Bennie tumbled from his father’s protective arms.
The boy fell against the side wall of the car just as it was overturning. Most accounts describe the side wall separating briefly from the flooring of the train car. Bennie Pierce tumbled in between that crevice.
The back of his head was instantly crushed, the skull bone and brains dashed out and splattered.
It was just a matter of seconds, but Jane Pierce’s eyes were wide open as her son was horrifically killed, the President-Elect unable to shield her view in that brief, momentary turning of life.
It’s impossible to imagine how President Pierce even coped with this tragedy or how it may have truly impacted his presidency, but two changes are apparent. First, he became the only U.S. president to choose to affirm the oath of office rather than swear. A 1985 New York Times letter to the editor by Thomas Vinciguerra states that President Pierce did this because he believed that the death of his son was punishment for his sins and did not use a Bible for the inauguration.
The second is that in 1856, President Pierce became the first president to have a decorated Christmas tree placed in the White House in an attempt to cheer up Jane who was still mourning the death of Bennie. The tradition has remained uninterrupted to this day.
Lots of “seconds”, “brieflies”, “instantlies” etc. What are the chances that an 11 year old son of the later president of the USA (Freemason of course, see photo in first link) would be the only one killed in a suspicious train crash?
"A truth seeker is someone who dares to wade through thick series of toxic smoke screens and tries not to inhale" - Gaia (2017)
"What do you call 'genius'?" "Well, seeing things others don't see. Or rather the invisible links between things." - Vladimir Nabokov (1938)January 7, 2018 at 5:27 pm #851827
Gaia, that made me think of ol’ Charlie Dickens some years later in 1865…
rushing back to England from Paris with a manuscript of Our Mutual Friend, an improbable derailment down an embankment, Pierce style, bodies everywhere [allegedly] but Charles is uninjured, as is his mistress and he rescues his manuscript from the “wreckage”.
Dickens as heroic “first responder”
A disaster drill, with excellent publicity for the author.
Wikipedia – The Staplehurst Rail Crash
10 dead, 40 injured, so we were told by the media 152 years ago.
All of the seven first-class carriages plummeted downwards — except for one car. That car was the one occupied by Dickens and the Ternans, and it held by its couplings onto a second-class carriage. Dickens’s car had come off the rail and was now hanging over the bridge at an angle.
With a makeshift arrangement of planks Dickens managed to extricate the Ternans from the suspended carriage, and as he was doing this, he saw the other first-class carriages lying at the bottom of the river bed. With his familiar aplomb he went returned to the teetering carriage, and took out a travelling flask of brandy as well as his top hat. He filled his hat with water, clambered down the bank, and then began his work among the injured and the dead. He found a man with a cracked skull; he gave the man some brandy, poured a bit of water on his face, and laid him on the grass beside the stream. The man said only “I am gone,” and then died. A woman with a blood-covered face was propped against a tree; Dickens gave her a little brandy from his flask, but in a moment she too was dead. The scene was covered with corpses and injured bodies. One young passenger, Mr. Dickenson, later recalled how it was the urging and assistance of Charles Dickens that ultimately helped to free him from a pile of twisted wreckage. Another passenger would later recall how Dickens, with his hat full of water, was “running about with it and doing his best to revive and comfort every poor creature he met who had sustained serious injury.”
And then, as he prepared to take leave of the death scene, Dickens did a remarkable thing. Remembering that his manuscript was still in the pocket of his overcoat, he clambered back into the swaying carriage and retrieved it. He then travelled back to London with the other survivors on an emergency train.
The recent Seattle Amtrak crash – based on the Staplehurst accident –
January 25, 2018 at 2:17 pm #851999
Your turn, Italy….
Jan 25 2018 a packed commuter train [as if….] derails at 07.00 local time [50 minutes before sunrise, there’s a clue]
Map showing the location of the train crash in Milan
“A train can derail for only two reasons; either through a structural collapse of the track or a collapse of the train. This is the first thing that needs to be cleared up,” said Raffaele Cattaneo, president of the regional council.
RFI, which manages the rail network, said there was a rupture in the track but that it was unclear whether this was a cause or a consequence of the accident.
Derail your empty train in darkness, no expense spared, the taxpayer will pick up the tab. Commence live drill, smear fake blood on the carriage to be photographed, action!
Out with the ladders, bring on the crisis actors
But it’s good theatrical make-up.
All the photos you need…
“At least” 3 dead. Suuuuure.
And a distinct shortage of “commuters”.
Verdict – HRDPAR
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