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    Carole ThomasCarole Thomas
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    I agree with your doubts and conclusion above and can’t really understand the intended connection with my quote, I’m afraid. When I wrote «it is a matter of slicing reality to eliminate as many untruths as possible.», I included in the understanding of “untruth” any events that may be used as a foundation for whatever assertion. It is not limited, in my opinion at least, to the results of falsehood, but also to the causes.

    This quote of yours goes to the heart of the matter for me because it is an assertion or mission statement if oy like, that implies some sort of philosophical or epidemiological stance.
    It is useful to clarify our different stances from the getgo otherwise we end up talking at cross-purposes, each of us making good points but feeling not quite understood by the other:-)
    ….
    (Cont. in next comment to be posted later)

    Whatever reality is, it's not that.

    #546017
    A RA R
    Participant

    I agree with your doubts and conclusion above and can’t really understand the intended connection with my quote, I’m afraid. When I wrote «it is a matter of slicing reality to eliminate as many untruths as possible.», I included in the understanding of “untruth” any events that may be used as a foundation for whatever assertion. It is not limited, in my opinion at least, to the results of falsehood, but also to the causes.

    This quote of yours goes to the heart of the matter for me because it is an assertion or mission statement if oy like, that implies some sort of philosophical or epidemiological stance.
    It is useful to clarify our different stances from the getgo otherwise we end up talking at cross-purposes, each of us making good points but feeling not quite understood by the other:-)
    ….
    (Cont. in next comment to be posted later)

    Ah, ok. Agreed, then.

    Looking forward to the rest of your comment.

    #546426
    Carole ThomasCarole Thomas
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    Well, I do realize the utmost importance of understanding idealism, of course – therefore the importance I attribute (and think is evident) to stories for the human existence. I do also consider, however, that there is a tangible and concrete existence outside the human realm that influences it and affects it. We exist before culture, ideas, thoughts… even before a notion of “I”… so does the world, whatever it is. The world needs no observers, no “experiencers” to exist, but it may exist for us to experience (that is a different matter altogether).

    You say there is “tangible and concrete existence outside the human realm(mind?)”

    And “the world needs no … “experiencers” to exist”

    Can you please expand or elucidate what you mean by that?
    Thanks:-)

    Whatever reality is, it's not that.

    #546513
    A RA R
    Participant

    You say there is “tangible and concrete existence outside the human realm(mind?)”

    And “the world needs no … “experiencers” to exist”

    Can you please expand or elucidate what you mean by that?
    Thanks:-)

    I can, certainly, yes.
    I’d rather read before what you make of what I mean, though. 🙂 What do you think?

    #547629
    Black DogBlack Dog
    Member

    Thanks Armunn, but the video link is blocked, which notes it is blocked in my country (USA) because of infringement on copyright laws (per ‘Sony’)! Also, the second workaround you gave did not go through. Can you try another reference and or note the source in case still blocked I can attempt another route.

    ..Strange how they can put virtual walls between us and ‘many things’ on the internet ..things we are not even aware of because of this, either blocked or just not there ..completely omitted. – Total omission being more advantageous for control than a block, a block creating incentive to unblock/workaround. Also, a block highlighting someone or something.. peaking curiousity. ‘Why would they block that?’ … ‘Now I want to see that even more!’.

    Per my adding the “[than]” in my quoting of you … Oops! I thought for sure you made a typo, so I (mistakenly) took the liberty of fixing it (thanks for noticing that!). I thought/assumed, as most would think or say, that ‘in person’ people are not so bad, more genuine, but online less so.. So you’re postulating the opposite! Interesting, … ‘yes and no’ in my opinion. This is a deep subject and I will side with ‘in person’ always being preferable … ‘look into my eyes’ … I understand your position though, and like I stated, it is a deep subject … basically the pros and cons of online social networking versus it’s predecessor … ah, yeah I see your point … deep, deep. ‘Online pro’: this is a tool, a great tool … ‘What the hell are we doing with it though?’

    Further: Yes, only a tool, and here is what’s most important: If and when we can ever use this tool to become any kind of a threat to the powers that be, no doubt they are ready for that … I even suspect they have already thwarted various threats. So, in short it is a tool and let us not forget how virtual, and fragile, (and ripe for control) it is. I would even be prepared to reveal my true identity and address if this thing could ever advance to a more coordinated effective level … but it’s not! It’s going nowhere. At this point it has no doubt been more advantageous to ‘them’ (monitoring) than it has been to us.

    That stated, it is a tool that I am enjoying, as I can, while I can, hopefully to some good effect … and contributers such as yourself (Armunn), and all ‘fakeologists’, are much appreciated. To all degrees genuine that is, and those not, well thankfully, so far, they seem to not last too long around here. Where we have a most intuitive, to say the least, bunch.

    Further, per internet pros and cons/Networking possibilities: Yes, they seem to be there … but so far I know of nothing anywhere on the internet organizing people for any true and good cause. If so where? Anyone, please let me know what I am missing here … on this internet … as years pass by, and things slowly get worse, and nothing changes. Occupy Wall Street was the last attempt at anything that I know of (to what ever extent that was real or not..?) … but.. that was beat down, and is now long gone and over … ‘Back to your computers slaves! And we’ll be watching you … ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.’

    Finally, I am not so sure a good book can not contain all the wisdom I have acquired in the past ten years or so on the internet. – Before the internet I was reading Jim Marrs for cutting edge information/and really, the internet has not been much better, even if he is controlled, or is ‘off’ here or there. Jim Marrs elevated my awareness to the point that when I did start looking on the internet I could see right through a lot of the positioned alternatives there, like Alex Jones.

    Carole:

    I’m not sure what context Carole, hi Carole, meant, if any, inserting her synopsis on the questionabilty we should have per any given story based on her given examples (of what could go wrong).. but regardless, if anything it is just more reaffirmation as to how people should thoroughly consider how true anything is! There are so many possible variables that may intentionally or unintentionally falsify a story. Of course this is mostly ‘preaching to the choir’ here. But, second thought, not really because even those who don’t trust the ‘official story’ are too often too quick to believe a given alternative.. Take 9/11. Personally, I definitely do not believe the official story.. and that pretty much ends what I feel I for sure know about 9/11.

    Bottomline is they lie and the truth is top secret! And we will spend an eternity scoffing over it, never reaching any higher level.. if we so choose.. if we don’t get on to some kind of action of our own. Admiration to them and theirs…So far above whoever we are, what ever we are…This discombobulated bunch of naysayers we. I conject, it is time to not only focus on what they are but begin focusing on what we are (..or are not). This has probably been my emphasis more than anything here (at Fakeologist), and I am avoided, because people do not want to look at themselves but are all too happy to sit on their couch or in front of their computer and point fingers at everbody else.

    Leaders:

    Surely, (hi Surely) there are those among us removed enough from acquiescence to the establishment.. yet in our quagmire and capable of administering a new higher level? And I hear the cry, ‘no leaders’, where does that come from? I would rather say, no leaders have I seen yet! But if one should arise surely we would know and respect them, would we not? Ideally it should be crystal clear, a leader wise enough to know what he (or she) knows and doesn’t know (a peaceful minded, simple minded leader/organizer) or if he (or she) knows stuff, is privy, and say, breaking ranks with the ‘elite’ ..while simultaneously strong enough to be able to oppose them.. ha.

    I might as well be writing fiction here, as dreamy and unreal as this all seems, or not. Forgive my coffee fueled ramblings here.

    “The next virtual level”, ha, what a joke … right? What then? A world tour? T-shirts? … Maybe a world-wide strike?? … Then what? ..Mob/govt. infiltration? ‘Round and round’ … I don’t know; I guess it’s like the saying goes: ‘people get the government they deserve’ … are we getting what we deserve? Sadly, it seems, yes, and I don’t see enough of our collective awareness rising any time soon, let alone any accompanying action of any sort beyond the couch or clutch of the mouse (as I clutch my mouse).

    “Oh give me a home, where the buffalo roam, and the deer and the anteloupe play.. Where seldom is heard, a discouraging word and the skies are all sunny all day!” – Thanks for the stimuli ‘all.

    Note – My responses will often have a lag as I usually reply offline, often taking days.. which I find beneficial as well. ‘Live’ or online spontaneous replies I avoid, preferring to think it all out, which coincides with the fact that I do not have internet (!), and can only exchange when able (coffee shops, etc.). I am also EMF sensitive so avoid technology as much as possible (ha, I know), I live in a cave (kidding..), but I do avoid cell phones and would prefer to live in a cave, a nice cave, somewhere nice, away from all this modern madness. … a cave.. with a laptop.. orchestrating.. a symphony opera! … [drums begin then orchestra slowly joins until the whole ensemble reaches a crescendo…next reply]

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    #547677
    Black DogBlack Dog
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    #548131
    A RA R
    Participant

    Thanks Armunn, but the video link is blocked, which notes it is blocked in my country (USA) because of infringement on copyright laws (per ‘Sony’)! Also, the second workaround you gave did not go through. Can you try another reference and or note the source in case still blocked I can attempt another route.

    ..Strange how they can put virtual walls between us and ‘many things’ on the internet ..things we are not even aware of because of this, either blocked or just not there ..completely omitted. – Total omission being more advantageous for control than a block, a block creating incentive to unblock/workaround. Also, a block highlighting someone or something.. peaking curiousity. ‘Why would they block that?’ … ‘Now I want to see that even more!’.

    Here try this one, ignoring the Polish subtitles. See if this works for the USA:

    Per my adding the “[than]” in my quoting of you … Oops! I thought for sure you made a typo, so I (mistakenly) took the liberty of fixing it (thanks for noticing that!). I thought/assumed, as most would think or say, that ‘in person’ people are not so bad, more genuine, but online less so.. So you’re postulating the opposite! Interesting, … ‘yes and no’ in my opinion. This is a deep subject and I will side with ‘in person’ always being preferable … ‘look into my eyes’ … I understand your position though, and like I stated, it is a deep subject … basically the pros and cons of online social networking versus it’s predecessor … ah, yeah I see your point … deep, deep. ‘Online pro’: this is a tool, a great tool … ‘What the hell are we doing with it though?’

    My point there was that with the “real” world so oppressively fake and illusory, forcing people out of their own selves and into a character role, I have observed that behind the anonymity of an avatar and nickname (protected from discovery by their thought-police “real” peers), people tend to be more authentic, to reveal more of their actual selves through this medium. There’s simply too much pressure in the “real world” right now for people to feel comfortable with revealing their thoughts and opinions, much less with their actual selves (for those who actually found their “selves”). I mean try to bring up 9/11 or Flat Earth or Moon Hoax, among others, in a family or close friends meeting – one will most probably find that there wasn’t much of an actual relationship there, so easy it is to be broken by opinions or interests, ending up being tolerated, if the “offense to normality” is light, and even ostracized, if the “offense to normality” is too much to deal with in people’s illusory reality.

    Further: Yes, only a tool, and here is what’s most important: If and when we can ever use this tool to become any kind of a threat to the powers that be, no doubt they are ready for that … I even suspect they have already thwarted various threats. So, in short it is a tool and let us not forget how virtual, and fragile, (and ripe for control) it is. I would even be prepared to reveal my true identity and address if this thing could ever advance to a more coordinated effective level … but it’s not! It’s going nowhere. At this point it has no doubt been more advantageous to ‘them’ (monitoring) than it has been to us.

    My honest and personal opinion is that this tool’s, as any other’s, actual higher purpose is not to become a challenge to the system of power, but to allow for personal self-study, self-discovery, self-criticism even, through the investigation and investment into piercing the false nature of the actual social world at all levels. It is a doorway to “know thyself” through the vehicle of knowing that the world you live in is not a “true world”.
    «If the world is fake and illusory, then what am I in it?» – this is a question that eventually, admittedly or not, emerges in one’s mind, if actually engaged in a honest investment to finding the truth (which is, as I’ve stated in my opinion earlier, only obtainable by eliminating the falsehoods one by one).

    If a crowd of people are, at a certain point, going through that self-observation honestly and liberating from the illusion layers, then that will induce change in society. However, I personally do not believe that will ever happen or be allowed to happen. I think that this journey is a personal one, specific and unique to each of us, but shared with support for each other, with information, thoughts, opinions and the like.

    The more my journey advances, the more I find that this path is not for everyone at the same time, so, by inference, it is not a path for actual social liberation, but for personal “soul discovery” – which may end up being far more important!

    That stated, it is a tool that I am enjoying, as I can, while I can, hopefully to some good effect … and contributers such as yourself (Armunn), and all ‘fakeologists’, are much appreciated. To all degrees genuine that is, and those not, well thankfully, so far, they seem to not last too long around here. Where we have a most intuitive, to say the least, bunch.

    Thank you, Blackdog, and likewise. I too enjoy the opportunity to exchange ideas and thoughts about our “journey diaries”. I am really grateful to all those who travel this road with me in honesty and authenticity of will, whichever lane they travel on and at whatever speed they do so.

    Further, per internet pros and cons/Networking possibilities: Yes, they seem to be there … but so far I know of nothing anywhere on the internet organizing people for any true and good cause. If so where? Anyone, please let me know what I am missing here … on this internet … as years pass by, and things slowly get worse, and nothing changes. Occupy Wall Street was the last attempt at anything that I know of (to what ever extent that was real or not..?) … but.. that was beat down, and is now long gone and over … ‘Back to your computers slaves! And we’ll be watching you … ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.’

    I have given my opinion about this above: I personally think this is not a tool we can use for collective release, but only for several personal releases. Having, likewise, spent years in search for an actual collective way to change the world, I found that that angle merely leads to frustration and the reason is simple: if one is yet unclean (from the personal influences of the parasites), how can a group of such “ones” change anything for the better and actually different? Society is not regulated by “them” directly, it is actually applied and kept by “us” on the ground, in our circles. Even if all governments fell at the same time, providing a true chance for actual change, what do you thing would emerge from there? Who among us would easily rise to leadership positions? How differently, despite all theatrics and mental aesthetics, would they and us do? Are we, collectively, ready to live without government, without being fed upon, without being directed as sheep? How do we, collectively, react to any hint of freedom?
    Personally though, that is a different matter – we can certainly take care of our own “backyard” and our own “house and temple” (body and mind). We can eventually come to a point of simultaneous conscious existence (while most remain unconscious of their dual existence) in both worlds (the true and the false).
    The true is the one that’s been calling us shout after shout, appealing to our senses and spirits, waiting for us to actually live.
    The false is the one we’ve been born into, mentally tortured and conditioned to believe and enforce, it also shouts at us but only as a fearful warden would shout at a prisoner heading for the exit.

    Finally, I am not so sure a good book can not contain all the wisdom I have acquired in the past ten years or so on the internet. – Before the internet I was reading Jim Marrs for cutting edge information/and really, the internet has not been much better, even if he is controlled, or is ‘off’ here or there. Jim Marrs elevated my awareness to the point that when I did start looking on the internet I could see right through a lot of the positioned alternatives there, like Alex Jones.

    I agree and in fact, go even further: I don’t think that wisdom can actually or should be stored in writing. You can and should write memory aides but not try to actually store immutable wisdom in writing. The moment one does that, that wisdom lies dead, stuck forever in a particular time and soon to be irrelevant and out of context.
    All those who whether by ignorance, error or purpose tried to deceive honest seekers, have actually only helped them move forward. Those who aren’t or haven’t been honest seekers though, are still lingering around a point around one of those, having found a point of balance between comfort and desire for freedom and truth. All roads lead to Rome, but not all roads lead away from Rome! Often one has to take a step back and choose a different turn at the fork – how many are actually able to identify the need for and then actually take even such a simple decision?

    «(…) it is a matter of slicing reality to eliminate as many untruths as possible. That destroys the cushion-stories. What then? What lies beyond when we have discovered everything truth is not?»

    #548133
    A RA R
    Participant

    This discombobulated bunch of naysayers we. I conject, it is time to not only focus on what they are but begin focusing on what we are (..or are not). This has probably been my emphasis more than anything here (at Fakeologist), and I am avoided, because people do not want to look at themselves but are all too happy to sit on their couch or in front of their computer and point fingers at everbody else.

    Precisely. That realization and self-observation is what I observe as being the point of “all this”.

    Surely, (hi Surely) there are those among us removed enough from acquiescence to the establishment.. yet in our quagmire and capable of administering a new higher level? And I hear the cry, ‘no leaders’, where does that come from? I would rather say, no leaders have I seen yet! But if one should arise surely we would know and respect them, would we not? Ideally it should be crystal clear, a leader wise enough to know what he (or she) knows and doesn’t know (a peaceful minded, simple minded leader/organizer) or if he (or she) knows stuff, is privy, and say, breaking ranks with the ‘elite’ ..while simultaneously strong enough to be able to oppose them.. ha.

    My current opinion on this point, if you’d like to know it, is that true leaders (born leaders, as we usually say it) will emerge, but only, as you well noted, when the others he would lead deserve him. So, again, we come to the point of self-discovery. We can only “ask for” something or someone we are truly entitled to, despite whatever we may think we should get. Ignorance is not a fault, it can be resolved by time, experience and wisdom. Willful self-deceit, conceited mindsets and concealed false masks, can only be resolved by destruction of the false – which, if and when it occurs, usually involves quite the suffering for the unwilling subject. Does that suffering generate more resistance to the path of discovery or less? That will only depend on the honesty of the subject’s pre-disposition.

    Regards!

    #549566
    Black DogBlack Dog
    Member

    Thanks, seen the clip.. So which personality is the one in the back of the mind? Well I guess it depends on the mind, right? Let’s see: Fear, Pride.. and the wisdom we attain at any given moment or situation, overcoming or not overcoming fear or pride.(Ha!). Interesting, thought provoking scenes, deep.. I’ll have to look for this one, thanks.

    great reviews!! “BEST MOVIE EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR FUCK SCARFACE GOOD FELLOWS THIS MOVIE SHITS ON ALL MOVIESSSSSSSSSSSS?” – g biggz (youtube)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolver_%282005_film%29

    BTW I hate Hollywood/but there is the occasional reference, ..I understand.

    Yes, per online versus in real life… I think the factor that gives the perception of people being more revealing and ‘themselves’ online is numbers. In our immediate non-internet world there are numerous problems, one being no time to talk versus the internet strangely consuming much of our time (we are spending a lot of time on the internet or various computer technology related mediums). So there’s the time factor and a lack of real life ways to talk or exchange thoughts etc… so many factors. So to me I side with the sheer numbers going to the internet for escape/to share but not necessarilly sharing more than, in-person.

    Per your cross section of people example: you are comparing friends and family with the world wide web…so again ‘numbers’ are going to, of course, be in favor of the WWW…that simple. As well, what topics get brought up when with the average friend or family member are no doubt dominating what’s on the web.

    So due to ‘numbers’ we can find more people to relate to and share with on the web than in real life.

    That stated, your angle is valid in that due to our access to so many on the web.. our odds of getting more ‘sharing’ from others is increased but overall I do not think the internet is fostering this but I think more the opposite…short of the few exceptions who probably would be even more deep and sharing in person.

    … It’s a weird new phenomenon.. and regardless ‘here I am’ sharing like I am currently, and sadly I am not getting, at least this level, anywhere else. But further, we should hate this and want to get on to something better, natural, real. Get better at effecting people in real life. Wear a t-shirt that states in big letters “9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB – WAKE UP!”. Stand on the corner, win people over (or get beat up!), break the spell they’re under (we’re under). I don’t know, just another deep multi-layered subject.. .

    BTW what is Armunn Righ? It reminds me of something Egyptian.

    The ‘self’ versus ‘the environment one is in’. I lean towards the environment effecting the self. Rat in the wild versus rat in the cage/ most men are probably brutes at heart and respond to the brute force creating their environment respectfully.. being that they accept whoever has the power simply because they have the power!

    Then there’s us.

    Did these secret designers once lament their plight as we do now? I think so (although, I may have a mouse in my pocket!). They may have started out with good intentions..? But see what power does.

    Ah.. the age old converstation … man so smart, too smart for his own good … and that is possibly true. But hey, this is our reality. Perplexing.

    It’s sometimes hard to believe it is a human behind all this, at the top of the pyramid. … A flat or bigger than we know earth could explain much … with a literal seperate group residing elsewhere/and we, in a sense, on a farm … but what is the crop? Or produce? Do they just like to get all our various products for free? I don’t know … either way, what a bunch of devious ..whatever at the top … and harder and harder is it getting to play along with their BS … let alone the brutes their creating.

    BTW This may be the only good thing on the internet:

    I’d like to read her thoughts on the flat earth and such.. I wonder where her mind lingers? What consumes her thoughts?

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    #549568
    Black DogBlack Dog
    Member

    PS the triple capital W and dots in my previous reply led to an unintended URL (hyper link) that seems to be dead anyway.

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    #551538
    Black DogBlack Dog
    Member

    Typo (2) in my last reply. I meant “they’re creating” not “their creating” at the near end of my previous reply, as shown corrected here:
    “… and harder and harder is it getting to play along with their BS … let alone the brutes they’re creating.”

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    #551977
    A RA R
    Participant

    Thanks, seen the clip.. So which personality is the one in the back of the mind? Well I guess it depends on the mind, right? Let’s see: Fear, Pride.. and the wisdom we attain at any given moment or situation, overcoming or not overcoming fear or pride.(Ha!). Interesting, thought provoking scenes, deep.. I’ll have to look for this one, thanks.

    New Agers will tell you that the Ego itself is the problem. This is because the Ego is actually the gatekeeper of one’s temple (mind) and so they think that the stress the Ego feels is unwarranted.
    A healthy Ego in a healthy society will have access to several Personas, masks, that enable it to handle a given situation temporarily. These Personas are based on Archetypes and stored in the collective subconscious (check our Carl Jung, if you’re unfamiliar with it)
    The stress the Ego feels in each of us (who have yet a certain degree of sanity) has to do with being faced with a social situation that is not only unhealthy, it is also unnatural. The Ego that is stressed out is recognising that something is wrong around it, but can’t really understand what Personas to wear to face it.
    Additionally, the Ego has long been severed from direct interaction with the Self and has, therefore, a underlying, more or less constant, feeling of abandonment. Religions such as all sects of Christianity, Islam and even “New Age”, will try to prey upon that feeling of abandonment and offer the consolation of having a deity with them, at the exchange of their soul, willpower and vital energy (parasites at work again).
    One of the “solutions” the abandoned Ego faced with an insane “reality” (which is false, but has real effect), is to resort to a separate mental entity, the Super-Ego, which acts as sort of a guidance for it in relation to what has been found to “work” in that reality. This is the mental place the inorganic parasites lodge themselves on and interact with the vulnerable Ego.

    So, after this summary, the scene at the elevator is the Ego realizing the presence of the external, foreign entity residing in the Super-Ego and willfully ignoring it, unafraid. Unfed and ignored, the entity loses “connection” and the Ego acts free from its influence.

    Yes, per online versus in real life… I think the factor that gives the perception of people being more revealing and ‘themselves’ online is numbers. In our immediate non-internet world there are numerous problems, one being no time to talk versus the internet strangely consuming much of our time (we are spending a lot of time on the internet or various computer technology related mediums). So there’s the time factor and a lack of real life ways to talk or exchange thoughts etc… so many factors. So to me I side with the sheer numbers going to the internet for escape/to share but not necessarilly sharing more than, in-person.

    Per your cross section of people example: you are comparing friends and family with the world wide web…so again ‘numbers’ are going to, of course, be in favor of the http://WWW…that simple. As well, what topics get brought up when with the average friend or family member are no doubt dominating what’s on the web.

    So due to ‘numbers’ we can find more people to relate to and share with on the web than in real life.

    That stated, your angle is valid in that due to our access to so many on the web.. our odds of getting more ‘sharing’ from others is increased but overall I do not think the internet is fostering this but I think more the opposite…short of the few exceptions who probably would be even more deep and sharing in person.

    I think you are right. I think I have based my opinion about “onlineness” on my personal experience when it is, in fact, suffering from the same issues as “real” life contact, being the sheer numbers and probability that actually make a difference. Yes, I agree with you.

    BTW what is Armunn Righ? It reminds me of something Egyptian.

    Look up a Gaelic language dictionary and check for those words 🙂

    The ‘self’ versus ‘the environment one is in’. I lean towards the environment effecting the self. Rat in the wild versus rat in the cage/ most men are probably brutes at heart and respond to the brute force creating their environment respectfully.. being that they accept whoever has the power simply because they have the power!

    Then there’s us.

    Did these secret designers once lament their plight as we do now? I think so (although, I may have a mouse in my pocket!). They may have started out with good intentions..? But see what power does.

    Ah.. the age old converstation … man so smart, too smart for his own good … and that is possibly true. But hey, this is our reality. Perplexing.

    We all lament our plight, but we all are, in the same manner, part of the cause of it. Still, I think that going through all these tribulations actually help many of us to advance towards a cure for their soul, although I have no proof of this. What I think we should keep in mind is that we are not alone (neither for evil nor for good).

    It’s sometimes hard to believe it is a human behind all this, at the top of the pyramid. … A flat or bigger than we know earth could explain much … with a literal seperate group residing elsewhere/and we, in a sense, on a farm … but what is the crop? Or produce? Do they just like to get all our various products for free? I don’t know … either way, what a bunch of devious ..whatever at the top … and harder and harder is it getting to play along with their BS … let alone the brutes their creating.

    In my opinion, it is not a human at the top of the pyramid, nor is an organic physical being even. It is a mind parasite with many minions and plenty of human slaves and willing servants, who exchange their souls and life’s work and energy for plenty of perks in their master’s “reality”. The mistake is usually to try to find an actual human or group as the endpoint of all the madness, when it seems clear to me that it is beyond that.

    I’d like to read her thoughts on the flat earth and such.. I wonder where her mind lingers? What consumes her thoughts?

    Is she considering anything about her reality? I don’t think so. I think she’s in automatic self-preservation mode and therefore trying to please those who have power to grant her a comfortable life, above the rabble. I mean I don’t know the actual person, but she seems to have found her little corner of “usefulness” and “success”… or at least a path to get her, in her mind.

    #558394
    Black DogBlack Dog
    Member

    ArmunnRigh wrote: “The Ego that is stressed out is recognising that something is wrong around it, but can’t really understand what Personas to wear to face it.”

    Very good, this explains my never feeling quite right in many situations!

    And, I like to think I have known situations where ‘self’ was ‘happy’ or happier anyway.. Where self was less hidden behind ego.

    Personally, I strive to be an ‘open book’ ..which is often awkward and seemingly always rejected, but I am unhappy with personas/personalities. I do notice though how people are oh so happy to engage each other with their personalities/personas. This may be what you hinted at: How this is a problem, how the new personas are these politically correct government issued type varieties. And, the fakeologist or truth type personas (or just more genuine and real ones, closer to reality and self), are not included in these and when such are engaged there seems to be an immediate incompatibility.. Like computer software that will not work with something..

    Like, people are being programmed, well first they are ‘formatted’ to remove everything. Then programmed with a well developed ‘proprietary’ type ‘software’ with stringent automatic responses to anything not in the program (only allowing the individual to somewhat open their mind when engaged with sanctioned media, programs that only further program). If and when breached, these people are vulnerable and fearful to anything not in the program. Truth is like being dropped in the middle of the ocean naked. Alien, something to fear. When deep inside they know something is wrong, very wrong.

    There is a schism rising in our western culture (collectively) as the hidden tyrants push their agendas. Unlike the past, this is not a schism between the people and the rulers, as it should be, but more between the people, with the (true) rulers unknown and the division wisely put between the people. And on every level.. from sex, race, religion.. to ego, persona, personalty.. No one true voice. We are a divided and conquered people and it seems we have been for time immemorial.

    This is like I mentioned before, as if a whole something is missing! Even with the internet. A gap, a void. ..The tribe so broken and scattered. A ‘glitch’ in the human psyche. Deliberate, of course.

    Not sure if I’d absorb much of Carl Jung’s take on things.. wasn’t he a cocaine addict or was that ‘Freud’? I know though, everyone brings good things to the table, usually.. I’ve never been much interested in psychiatry per se, ‘although’ much of what we are limited to/dealing with here is psychiatry:

    “..concerned with the diagnosis and treatment of disorders that have primarily mental or behavioral symptoms and with the care of people having such disorders” – definition of psychiatry.

    Ha! Right? The internet/one big psych ward (and virtual and real spilling back and forth into each other, blurring, creating one big cess pool of human ignorance/As well, ‘movies’ blurring our consciousness/psyche /subconsciousness)

    Are we the patient or the doctor? Or a bit of both? Who is normal.. sane? So many questions..

    Environment: As I heard once in some ‘movie’: “In an insane society the sane man must appear insane.”

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    #559001
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    Participant

    ArmunnRigh wrote: “The Ego that is stressed out is recognising that something is wrong around it, but can’t really understand what Personas to wear to face it.”

    Very good, this explains my never feeling quite right in many situations!

    And, I like to think I have known situations where ‘self’ was ‘happy’ or happier anyway.. Where self was less hidden behind ego.

    I think there may be a misconception, in my opinion, that the self should be at the fore, even in optimum sanity circumstances. This is not, I think, accurate. The ego is and should always be at the gate. Whether it is actively “doing” something or not is a different matter, but it is and should be there. To remove Ego, which is what some New Agey currents will want to sell you, is insane as it removes the gatekeeper to your temple (mind), leaving it unprotected to whatever infiltration.

    There are two main ways to do so:
    1 – Actual removal of the ego (religious method)
    2 – Overloading the ego with irrelevancy (consumer society method)

    In the first case, the ego is brought down to the depths of the psyche and can’t act as the gatekeeper, leaving the mind open to the introduction of insane illogical and nefarious (even to the self) ideas. In the second case, the ego is given so much stimuli (both positive and negative) that it remains attached to its spotlight activity in the psyche and therefore refuses to be controlled or commanded by the self. It becomes focused on itself and starts a war in the psyche to ensure that it maintains its “throne of power”, helped by the mind parasites, who actually control it through the super-ego.

    Personally, I strive to be an ‘open book’ ..which is often awkward and seemingly always rejected, but I am unhappy with personas/personalities. I do notice though how people are oh so happy to engage each other with their personalities/personas. This may be what you hinted at: How this is a problem, how the new personas are these politically correct government issued type varieties. And, the fakeologist or truth type personas (or just more genuine and real ones, closer to reality and self), are not included in these and when such are engaged there seems to be an immediate incompatibility.. Like computer software that will not work with something..

    Like, people are being programmed, well first they are ‘formatted’ to remove everything. Then programmed with a well developed ‘proprietary’ type ‘software’ with stringent automatic responses to anything not in the program (only allowing the individual to somewhat open their mind when engaged with sanctioned media, programs that only further program). If and when breached, these people are vulnerable and fearful to anything not in the program. Truth is like being dropped in the middle of the ocean naked. Alien, something to fear. When deep inside they know something is wrong, very wrong.

    Exactly. Pavlov studied this and his findings are implemented to create false (non-archetypal based) personas that are programmed to police unwanted ideas. This is why the main thing one should always bear in mind about the “innocent” people around us is that… their apparent ignorance of what they do is not a proof of innocence. Any internally conforming individual will be a soldier for the status quo and will hurt any of us in any way he/she can, as programmed to do. Any idea outside of the “regular and irregular book of ideas” programmed into the information conveyor method is met, as a mere irrational reaction, with upset and opposition.

    However, I urge you not to disregard the persona concept itself as something inherently negative. The true personas are archetypal, that is, based on the collective subconscious, which acts as a memory depot for the whole species (at a wider level) and to each specific race or racial family (at a narrower level). These archetypes are sort of models that allow behavior and ideas that have worked in the past to be utilized again at anytime, instantly, if need be. If you are faced with a life or death fight, for example, you can access the persona of a warrior from an archetypal source, or maybe a runner. This is done instantaneously, unconsciously and, with a balanced, sane psyche, without resistance from the ego. Whatever persona works for the situation at hand is “worn”, the situation faced, and then the persona can be discarded when the situation disappears. What if the situation never disappears? What if the fight mode never goes away, because a threat is constantly perceived? Then the ego can be mixed up with the persona and “think” they are one and the same. This is usually the end result of the second method I mentioned above. The victims of the first method will usually just end up not reacting to the situation appropriately (absence of ego to wear personas) at all.

    There is a schism rising in our western culture (collectively) as the hidden tyrants push their agendas. Unlike the past, this is not a schism between the people and the rulers, as it should be, but more between the people, with the (true) rulers unknown and the division wisely put between the people. And on every level.. from sex, race, religion.. to ego, persona, personalty.. No one true voice. We are a divided and conquered people and it seems we have been for time immemorial.

    This is like I mentioned before, as if a whole something is missing! Even with the internet. A gap, a void. ..The tribe so broken and scattered. A ‘glitch’ in the human psyche. Deliberate, of course.

    Yes, the schism aims at prostration and submission to the social model put forth. “They” will very much appreciate our help in maintaining the behavioral patterns of their social model, as well as the memory that is acceptable of it. Why? Well, I’ve come to believe that they’ve been in this situation several times before and that they now try to avoid another “wandering through the wilderness”, another incursion through oblivion. I believe they know something is bound to happen some time soon, a reset event, something that will reduce civilization to its tiniest denominator. When that happens, they want to ensure that souls aren’t released, but kept; that they are able to herd their sheep into the pen and maintain their civilizational seed in a sort of “Noah’s Ark”.

    Not sure if I’d absorb much of Carl Jung’s take on things.. wasn’t he a cocaine addict or was that ‘Freud’? I know though, everyone brings good things to the table, usually.. I’ve never been much interested in psychiatry per se, ‘although’ much of what we are limited to/dealing with here is psychiatry:

    “..concerned with the diagnosis and treatment of disorders that have primarily mental or behavioral symptoms and with the care of people having such disorders” – definition of psychiatry.

    Ha! Right? The internet/one big psych ward (and virtual and real spilling back and forth into each other, blurring, creating one big cess pool of human ignorance/As well, ‘movies’ blurring our consciousness/psyche /subconsciousness)

    Are we the patient or the doctor? Or a bit of both? Who is normal.. sane? So many questions..

    Environment: As I heard once in some ‘movie’: “In an insane society the sane man must appear insane.”

    Jung is quoted merely as an example. I do not agree with him entirely, but he did something nobody else in his time had done: to point at something collective in the subconscious. He was interested, certainly, whether he was effective in doing it or not, in approaching society as a mechanism that would allow for increasing freedom in Man, alongside increasing awareness and therefore responsibility. Freud, on the other hand, was certainly interested in the methods to reduce man to a conformant element of society, hence his success. Most of psychiatry and psychology stem from Freud’s ideas alone or ideas he grabbed and modified to this end.

    The quote you might have been looking for was probably:

    «Insanity — a perfectly rational adjustment to an insane world.»
    – attributed to R.D. Laing

    #559050
    A RA R
    Participant

    Ah! I found your quote. This one it is, sorry:

    «In an insane world a sane man must appear insane.»
    – C. William King

    Alternatively:

    «In a mad world, only the mad are sane.»
    – Akira Kurosawa

    Or, one of my personal favorites:

    «It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.»
    – Jiddu Krishnamurti

    #559659
    Black DogBlack Dog
    Member

    I dunno’ – a hard quote to pin down … My memory was of some oddball late sixties early seventies Hollywood fart with some good bits squeezed in somehow (I guess they kinda use to make good movies/more so anyway). You know one of those old movies in your head you can not find and have never seen again … weird media addictions/codependies/? So this is all I found, she had me at.. her lips!

    You know, like the ‘hot’ woman doing the weather report on TV news, or TV anything.. and after shes done you have no idea what she said.

    It’ be nice to have such a smooth operator talking all out truth! (Baby!) Instead of her mainstream reactionaryism. Women!

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    #559663
    Black DogBlack Dog
    Member

    Comparatively, I think I could work with her! Ab should interview her. Hey Ab.

    First post was to wrong thread, oops! Can not delete though.

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    #563997
    Black DogBlack Dog
    Member

    Not to confuse “reactionaryism” with reactionary. It seems words can be in short supply when ones thinking exceeds our seemingly set literary boundaries. For example, which other word can be used in place of our collective un-official “fakeologist”?

    reactionaryism:
    attitudes or opinions tending to favor established ideas, conditions, or institutions

    Maybe better put would be ‘controlled reactionaryism’ or there’s not a word for opposition to realities that are questionable in and of themselves in the first place… or the vanity in reactions to mainstream when one should rather be questioning the validity of the mainstream itself, and at this point not believing anything thereof! Thus reactionary to what? This may be why she seems to have dropped out? Because due to this (greater awareness the true seeker should eventually attain)..it’s impossible then to base any counter argument on a ficticious (or simply untrusting source) mainstream news, events, and narratives … thus time for a new plan! A bigger conceptualism.. Where will it lead her? Anyone? To realize how dumb we are, how reduced to sound bites and key strokes. Well-conditioned peons, every one of us. Powerless; with all media controlled. Or simply reactions to those controlled stories. All in vain, whether controlled or genuine. Yes this pretty much ends all discussion and functionality of all of us beyond servitude to the dominant rulers we are under. Cry baby cry…”

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    #570342
    Black DogBlack Dog
    Member

    Wow, ‘ego the gatekeeper’, ‘self too vulnerable without ego’, interesting … And I’ve been spending my whole adult life fighting my ego (now to find it/..forgot where I put it). And I supposedly have extra ego (somewhere), being the Chinese animal sign The Snake! (?!). Well actually it is described as vanity, a.k.a. false pride but what is ego, these days, without vanity?

    No doubt, western programming has made me quite ignorant of ego (/current persona: The Intellectual; purpose: To understand the current ‘new’ environment and combat the psychological warfare being played by hidden hands).

    How can ego be true and not vain in these times? Or can our body cash all the checks our mind can now write..? Sure, if there’s something there; But where does ego come from? Hollywood? Listening to Elvis records?

    Or as Armunn suggests, it’s already inside us, some personas anyway; I’ll assume passed down from our ancestors; and then there’s the questions: How do these relate to our current situation? And how is it this whole process can be manipulated (for good or bad)? All I can think of is computer software and how the pre-electronic media era created more genuine and realistic personas (programs); compared to now with our heads filled with vast amounts of media junk!

    Heck I can even remember people with more ego, and more genuine, more so than now anyway.

    I’ll venture to conclude that what is un-real is slowly replacing what is real through technology. And we are on the cusp of this. And some people living now can even remember as far back as before electricity. And of course, increasingly, most have never known anything but technology, fantasy, total dependence on government and corporation and so on.

    Oldest technological levels I can recall:

    Late sixties: TV, black and white, a somewhat new thing, somewhat captivating and consuming but at it’s early stages. Phones (land lined dial phones – no cell phones, no internet). Electricity, actually fairly new in late sixties (only 40-60 years in at that point). Very organic times compared to now. The only thing wireless was radio, and no digital, everything was analog.. and sounded better. Newspapers, magazines, books, letters..

    Oh, and no GMOs, you could eat whatever, or at least be less concerned compared to now! Of course there was sugar back then.

    GMO FACTS > WHAT IS GMO
    http://www.nongmoproject.org/

    A battle being waged against us, with our minds a key part /prize, our fundamental egos, or truer, deeper egos, personas that have kept us sane way before this modern onslaught part as well.. These perversions perverting and changing us thoroughly, physically and mentally … Be real, be true and you will short circuit in these modern times … because you are facing opposition on a grand scale … It is a battle.

    Yes, no doubt we are being programmed and basically being forced to choose between vulnerability, or taking on some new ‘corporate sponsored’ fake persona … Where’s the pride? The pride I do see is vanity! Because otherwise there’s no pride in being a participant in these western, psyopted (Yes, we have to invent our own words here), poor excuses for any kind of a society (here and now in the western world). Everything is fake, false, exploitative, fostering ruthless individualism, consumerism, materialism.. subserviance to corporation and government over individual or individuals (corporatism, toadyism, sycophancy). ‘They know what they’re doing and they’re doing it’. And ‘we’, all too quick become these clueless dupes, adopting whatever they send down the pipe. Especially if seen as favorable, enviable, and desirable in some damned movie— Perpetuating the false or corporate ego, while reality is glossed over, altered, to benefit only the fascist agenda. Hypnosis, then further utilizing actual movie sets (i.e., our modern cities), where all these boobs can live, removed from nature and reality. Total fascist product.

    “Stop that man he has an unapproved ego” … “Excuse me sir, where did you get that ego?”

    Yeah — I am deficient in pride these days.. ‘ego’.. etc.! I’m a beaten down fool, no pride in this modern western charade. ‘On hold’, hoping for something to believe in one day … something other than living under this debt slave system plaguing the world. I’m not in debt personally but every move I consider is undercut by this, vanquishing incentive, pushing everyone and everything to the path of least resistance, or mere survival, uninspired to engage much beyond necessity in this losing western con game. Greatness lost because of ignorance, people sold out, sell out, get paid off, got paid off.

    I’ve seen changes in my lifetime.. From ‘yeah, F the government but we still have this and that, a reason to get up in the morning, a culture, or what was left of one from the past’ … to what the reality is now, on the doorstep of a total fascist takeover, control of everything with an unreasonable cost of living and laws supressing independence and growth for anything but corporations and government. Fishtailing everything to a breaking point, a breaking point they will no doubt only further capitalize on.

    How to remove ego:

    ArmunnRigh wrote:
    “There are two main ways to do so:”

    “1 – Actual removal of the ego (religious method)”

    and or

    “2 – Overloading the ego with irrelevancy (consumer society method)”

    OMG my ego is gone! I’m practically walking the streets in a catatonic haze, ..and hungry for blood.

    Maybe that’s because I can’t afford organic meat. — Not hunting (gathering) and killing your own meat (food) is probably devastating to the ego as well! – Having to rely on corporations and governments.. !

    “1 … religious method”: yeah! And when I don’t feel good I crawl back to that, well somewhat (in a prayer to the unknown in the name of a ‘known of’, Jesus). I mean, who the hell is god anyway without some nefarious religion pointing it out? And now that I think about it, how dare they, how dare anyone confine such thoughts in any way shape and form any where near these corporate and government narratives (‘approved’ ‘accepted’ religions are ineffectual religions).

    If god is so good with the world we are making here today we’re all screwed.

    I’m appalled, and so should ‘god’ be.. What other god is there? ..If there is a god, he probably hates most of us for being so stupid ..and may just let us all destroy each other.

    E.g., WWiii (US, Russia, China talking, or heck, whoever’s controlling them!: “psst, I got an idea, world war three! False flag, boom boom boom it’s over, depopulation agenda quick and easy!”). And as gullible as the majority still are to this very day, as trusting in authority as they still are, with all that has befell their ancestors up to all the current lies they still believe, it will still work!

    Sorry (so long), maybe we should just co-author a book? Wait a second, this is a book. “Free book” “read all about it”. Title: The Importance Of Stories And The Path We’re On

    “2 … irrelevancy … consumer society method” … Ha! I mean damn; They systematically remove everything good then basically sit you in a room full of toys. Cheap toys, expensive toys, what isn’t irrelevant? And it’s crossed over to people.. especially around here. ‘Trophy’ wives, husbands, children.

    Good stuff Armunn, I appreciate it.

    Deep!! (… still thinking)

    So it sounds like we are in “sanity” regardless of where I heard that confounded declaration. The only problem is sanity is being tweaked? Has been tweaked. I guess that just makes me a coward, playing along.. I mean what the hell can anyone do? … “It’s not so bad though” echoes in my head. Which I beg to differ, if it’s not so bad for you, you are probably selling us all out. Anyway, it’s too damn close to bad, and the more we take, the less we think, the worse it gets.

    Bottom line is, I’m basically stupid and in-sane and have no idea, powerless, depressed, but thank god, sober and healthy!

    My brain (thinking) exceeds my ability to do any damn thing about it (action).. The money game is insane, insanity rules ..’what a life’.

    Working is good but where is good working?

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    #572431
    A RA R
    Participant

    How can ego be true and not vain in these times? Or can our body cash all the checks our mind can now write..? Sure, if there’s something there; But where does ego come from? Hollywood? Listening to Elvis records?

    Or as Armunn suggests, it’s already inside us, some personas anyway; I’ll assume passed down from our ancestors; and then there’s the questions: How do these relate to our current situation? And how is it this whole process can be manipulated (for good or bad)? All I can think of is computer software and how the pre-electronic media era created more genuine and realistic personas (programs); compared to now with our heads filled with vast amounts of media junk!

    Heck I can even remember people with more ego, and more genuine, more so than now anyway.

    Right: To program a computer to do something, first the programmer must be knowledgeable in the programming language that machine uses. Well, the archetypes, the symbols, the structure (ego, persona, super-ego, unconscious, etc) is all there, they simply trigger effects to try to bring up desired behaviors from the unconscious. A fine example of this is even if an individual has a quiet peaceful life, with nothing nefarious happening, there will still be the pressure of war and destruction coming down upon him, brought to his home through the TV/Internet/Mass Media gateway. So you see? The unconscious does not recognize that a felt situation is not real, it merely reacts to the information (particularly emotional information, that is why the unconscious has always been associated with the feminine) that it receives from “reality”. So in that example you’d have someone who would be at peace in “reality”, but sending signals of war and threat emotionally to the unconscious due to the traumatic imagery and ideas that reach him. Is it strange then that this individual will feel emerge in him/her sets of behavior that are more in line with war than with peace? No, it isn’t. However, shutting down the source of “emotional provocation” and practicing emotional rationalization (sort of venting the emotions through reason), will rest it.

    Sidenote: psychology views the persona as one single “personality” that is available to each individual, in order to deal with the world. It is my view that this persona, in a wholesome mind, is able to change freely and adapt to circumstances as the need arises.

    I’ll venture to conclude that what is un-real is slowly replacing what is real through technology. And we are on the cusp of this. And some people living now can even remember as far back as before electricity. And of course, increasingly, most have never known anything but technology, fantasy, total dependence on government and corporation and so on.

    Oldest technological levels I can recall:

    Late sixties: TV, black and white, a somewhat new thing, somewhat captivating and consuming but at it’s early stages. Phones (land lined dial phones – no cell phones, no internet). Electricity, actually fairly new in late sixties (only 40-60 years in at that point). Very organic times compared to now. The only thing wireless was radio, and no digital, everything was analog.. and sounded better. Newspapers, magazines, books, letters..

    I truly do not think that technology is the problem. Technology has no life of its own except the one we give it. Even if you leave a machine working on automatic, it is absolutely irrelevant without human interaction. Technology is only a problem when used against the purpose of life, which is, simply, to live. How hard it is to be simple, right? Only hard because of the fantasy of mixed and opposite currents you’re placed into since early in life (often now since the actual birth, being removed from motherly contact!).
    So the type of “unrealness” may be different at different stages of technological development, but the core issue is the same: the falsehood of social existence in relation to actual natural existence. With this I am NOT promoting a return to the wild, that would be foolish, what I mean with “natural existence” is the wholeness of body-mind-soul that would create a fourth element, just like in Alchemic symbolism, which would be the summed conjunction of all those three making up something new, a living being (or “immortal” in symbolic language).

    Oh, and no GMOs, you could eat whatever, or at least be less concerned compared to now! Of course there was sugar back then.

    GMO FACTS > WHAT IS GMO
    http://www.nongmoproject.org/

    A battle being waged against us, with our minds a key part /prize, our fundamental egos, or truer, deeper egos, personas that have kept us sane way before this modern onslaught part as well.. These perversions perverting and changing us thoroughly, physically and mentally … Be real, be true and you will short circuit in these modern times … because you are facing opposition on a grand scale … It is a battle.

    Yes, no doubt we are being programmed and basically being forced to choose between vulnerability, or taking on some new ‘corporate sponsored’ fake persona … Where’s the pride? The pride I do see is vanity! Because otherwise there’s no pride in being a participant in these western, psyopted (Yes, we have to invent our own words here), poor excuses for any kind of a society (here and now in the western world). Everything is fake, false, exploitative, fostering ruthless individualism, consumerism, materialism.. subserviance to corporation and government over individual or individuals (corporatism, toadyism, sycophancy). ‘They know what they’re doing and they’re doing it’. And ‘we’, all too quick become these clueless dupes, adopting whatever they send down the pipe. Especially if seen as favorable, enviable, and desirable in some damned movie— Perpetuating the false or corporate ego, while reality is glossed over, altered, to benefit only the fascist agenda. Hypnosis, then further utilizing actual movie sets (i.e., our modern cities), where all these boobs can live, removed from nature and reality. Total fascist product.

    “Stop that man he has an unapproved ego” … “Excuse me sir, where did you get that ego?”

    Yes, quite so. The thing is, the collective unconscious, in opposition to the personal unconscious in this respect, has a complete and utter disregard for the rules of the false reality. The collective unconscious “knows” what natural life is and keeps sending messages in that respect, often provoking psychosis when continually ignored at the forefront of the mind. This is why I’ve always known that the discomfort that one feels in relation to the “world” is our best friend and counsel. It is what keeps your mind sane, like that Krishnamurti quote I presented in a previous reply:

    «It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society»

    Moreover, one has to use the ego as a protector from that false world, while having to participate in it, because man cannot live in absolute solitude. To that regard, the quote you presented, from C. William King, is relevant:

    «In an insane world a sane man must appear insane»

    It must be understood that confronting unaware individuals (even worse if in groups) about the falsehood of present reality WILL make them attack the messenger. This is a programmed reaction, brought about by the sense that the only problem that prevents the current reality from being perfect are the people not believing it – hence making them the true enemy, even more so than the supposed “terrorists” and the like. Therefore, it is important that the ego is self-trained to protect the workings of the psyche and be able to hide among the insane, sort of like this scene from a popular zombie series (the zombie is popular nowadays exactly for the reason above, nothing is left to chance, everything is to be programmed):

    Yeah — I am deficient in pride these days.. ‘ego’.. etc.! I’m a beaten down fool, no pride in this modern western charade. ‘On hold’, hoping for something to believe in one day … something other than living under this debt slave system plaguing the world. I’m not in debt personally but every move I consider is undercut by this, vanquishing incentive, pushing everyone and everything to the path of least resistance, or mere survival, uninspired to engage much beyond necessity in this losing western con game. Greatness lost because of ignorance, people sold out, sell out, get paid off, got paid off.

    I’ve seen changes in my lifetime.. From ‘yeah, F the government but we still have this and that, a reason to get up in the morning, a culture, or what was left of one from the past’ … to what the reality is now, on the doorstep of a total fascist takeover, control of everything with an unreasonable cost of living and laws supressing independence and growth for anything but corporations and government. Fishtailing everything to a breaking point, a breaking point they will no doubt only further capitalize on.

    From my experience, the most important lesson one should take from all this is that only a minority each time will ever even catch a glimpse of the false, much less the true. The “salvation” (to use such a charged word) is a minority and, in fact and ultimately, an individual thing. It is impossible to change this world when the majority of their elements actively want and maintain it. The harshest lesson to learn, again, in my experience, is that it is we who do not belong, not them. It is we who are living through one of their “hells”, not them that emerged in our “heaven”. It is my unobjective belief that there really is nothing that can be done for this world itself, but there’s a lot that can be done for the ready individuals… especially a lot that can be done by the individuals themselves, inspired and assisted by others.
    These were, are and will mostly always be a minority.

    Adulterating one of their historical mottoes:
    «Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for yourselves»

    So it sounds like we are in “sanity” regardless of where I heard that confounded declaration. The only problem is sanity is being tweaked? Has been tweaked. I guess that just makes me a coward, playing along.. I mean what the hell can anyone do? … “It’s not so bad though” echoes in my head. Which I beg to differ, if it’s not so bad for you, you are probably selling us all out. Anyway, it’s too damn close to bad, and the more we take, the less we think, the worse it gets.

    Bottom line is, I’m basically stupid and in-sane and have no idea, powerless, depressed, but thank god, sober and healthy!

    My brain (thinking) exceeds my ability to do any damn thing about it (action).. The money game is insane, insanity rules ..’what a life’.

    Working is good but where is good working?

    The question we must all confront ourselves with is (and I leave it for your reflection):

    – How much sanity are you prepared to take in (theory) and how much are you prepared to handle (practice) as an individual?

    I’ll put this together with that famous maxim supposedly from the Oracle of Delphi:

    «Know thyself and thou shall know all the mysteries of the gods and of the universe»

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