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Adrienne Haslet-Davis was talking with Anderson Cooper on Anderson Cooper 360. It goes out in the UK at 1am Tuesday morning. She Said “One of my brothers is from where I grew up in Seattle, Washington and my other brother is from right outside em lives right outside San Jose, California”
Sounded like a slip up from Adrienne. No one talks like that about there family members. As soon as she said it she took a deep breath and the camera cut away from her for a few seconds.
I lost count of the number of times she said my brother and my other brother, She never once refers to them by name. Strange way to talk about your family.
She has something drawn on her cheek. Anderson asks her whats that on your cheek and Adrienne says “It says way to go from my nieces and nephews. They are all in town and their very proud to see their brothers and their aunt.” I think she means fathers and aunt. Its an easy mistake to make I suppose especially when you have said brother as much as she had.
When you were talking about messages in the intro concerning hillsborough. The intro at the top of the page, has the Liverpool player Emylin hughes and wiki lists his place of death as Sheffield. He also died on 9th november or 9/11.
Thats also Wilson at 10 seconds coming out of the tunnel. Its strange why there would be clips of players from the 70s in the intro. The other old player in the intro tossing the coin is the 70s Liverpool and England player Emlyn Hughes.
Excellent Find. Thats Bob Wilson. I was wrong, I apologize for my comments. My memory has failed me on that one. Even now I know I’m wrong, I still think I wacthed it. It was 25 years and I was only 10. I was not looking to mislead, I genuinely believed It was live. Watching the TV coverage of the whole thing has convinced me I watched the match live.
With no copy of Grandstand (which was definitely on that day, as it was every saturday) from the day. I will have to concede until I come across some proof. Though without that copy of Grandstand, it also can not be proven that it was not on.
I would not want to accuse Richard Jones of being a liar, but I can not accept the 25 year old memories of someone who was 6 at the time as evidence. He says that that he vividly remembers watching. I doubt anyone would say they vividly remember watching anything on the TV when they were 6. I was 6 when the Bradford city fire happened and the Hysel stadium disaster ( one you might want to look at 39 crushed to death, blamed on liverpool fans) both of with were on TV , and would definitely been being watched in the football crazy theprice1 household and I remember nothing of the matches or even any of the aftermath. I have since heard and read stuff about them.
Another point Richard makes “Football was rarely shown live on TV even as recently as 1989” is not really true. Sure compared to today were football is on most days and sometimes 3 or 4 matches in a day, It might seem like it was rare. But when you actually look at the live football that was on at a time when there was only 4 channels. there was FA cup games, FA cup replays, The Big Match on ITV, International football (friendlys, qualifiers, world cups and european champonships), european football (european cup, uefa cup, cup winners cup) and any match that was deemed to have been important for example the Bradford City game and the deciding match of the 1989 league championship between Liverpool and Arsenal were micky thomas scored the winner in injury time there was actually quite a lot.
Some video footage at this link, I have no idea were it comes from and the quality is not great.
http://www.contrast.org/hillsborough/history/history-html.htm
Im no expert, though there is no doubt that photo does not look to be real. They are Stephen Francis Harrison – Aged 31 Gary Harrison – Aged 27.
They were identified by there brother James Terrence Harrisonhttp://hillsborough.independent.gov.uk/repository/SYP000001270001.html
(the name of the deceased says peter andrew instead of stephen francis)
There is a Peter Andrew Harrison (15) listed as dead, his photo appears one before the others on the link with the photos.Witness statements.
BrotherClick to access SYP000001270001.pdf
Stepfather
Click to access SYP000002770001.pdf
From the witness statement of the stepfather it seems that Peter Andrew Harrison(15) is not the son of either of the harrisons in the photo.
http://www.bmdsonline.co.uk/30874064-hillsborough-remembrance-peter-andrew-harrison
He was identified by his father.
Click to access SYP000001380001.pdf
It seems that some of the harrison names have been mixed up on some websites.
Link for the documents that I have posted.
http://hillsborough.independent.gov.uk/Concerning video footage that should be available.
On the day of the Hillsborough disaster, three different organisations were filming video footage, namely South Yorkshire Police, Sheffield Wednesday Football Club and the BBC. Lord Justice Taylor had 71 hours of video footage available to his official enquiry into the disaster, even after the missing CCTV tapes, and you are yet to see a single clip of video that supports the outrageous lies that were printed in the media in the days and weeks after.
concerning footage that might have been edited.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-24431269
http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1576266/hillsborough-footage-edited-barrister-says-liverpool-families-fight-justice?cc=5739
http://passonside.com/hillsborough-disaster-footage/I’m 35 and from Belfast, You will find me in the April 2014 section of Fakeologist members.
I was leaving it, then I see that you are making comments like it was not live no matter what theprice1 thinks. I do not think, I know. I watched it. I watched the match that was live then the aftermath as you refer to it when the match was stopped. I tried to use wiki to convince you, its a good enough source when your quoting from it. Its no digital spy I grant you, but I find it useful.
Wiki states that the BBC had full rights to FA cup games. Do you dispute that? It states that they were entitled to show 1 match from the 3rd onwards. Do you dispute that? It states that they showed the semi final between Liverpool and Notts. Forest. That you do dispute. Why would the BBC who had the rights and were entitled to show a game not show what would have been the biggest match in the competition so far. You seem to think that they showed a match in every round except the semi final because it suits what you want to believe. All live sport (Fooball, Rugby, Horse Racing and F1 etc etc) was relayed through Grandstand in the 80s, or maybe you deny Grandstand even showed live sport. I will leave it there, I think I have made my point a few times. If you refer to me by name with your wee points about theprice1, then I will be back.
http://www.liverpoolfc.com/history/hillsborough
A good resource for the names and photographs of the dead.
It should be a good site for updates of the inquests, though at the minute it is subject to reporting restrictions.
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Just after the match gets called off, you can see spectators going up and speaking to Steve Nichol. Would that have been possible to fake in 1989[?].Was it possible to fake? That tiny piece of “live” footage could have been filmed months earlier! All we see is Nichol and some unknown person, standing on some grass.
Excepting the grass itself – which is always much-of-a-muchness, there’s no fixed object in the frames for any point of reference. We’ve no proof it really was filmed “live” in Hillsborough, Saturday 15 April 1989.
If you look at that footage from 7 minutes onwards, It seems that your background is invading the pitch of your could of been filmed months earlier football scene. How does that get done? Seems genuine, though im no expert. Maybe you could explain how this was faked.
Where is all this BBC footage on youtube? Why is it missing, if it ever existed? As said, everyone has anorak soccer friends; the kind of nerds who record almost every soccer game – to re-watch them in slow-mo, months or even years later. Where are all those home-recorded videos of the BBC’s “live” coverage of the Hillsborough Disaster on youtube? It was, after all, the soccer disaster of the century.
Over recent years, the BBC transferred a vast amount of its analogue archive footage to Getty. Is that where it’s officially gone? All that missing Hillsborough footage we’re told was screened live in 1989? Conveniently, it’s now in the custody of an unaccountable private enterprise?
Not unlike the Lunar Landing Hoax, where again, original NA$A footage from that hugely historic event just vanished without trace or explanation. No doubt by today’s standards, the video fakery was so amateur it couldn’t possibly stand up to modern scrutiny, and therefore had to be “lost”.
Is that the best guess for the BBC’s Hillsborough footage? Officially Lost for the sake of simple expediency?
You would be better sending them questions to Youtube and the BBC archive since I have no control over any of them businesses. Ask them where there footage is.
I dont really know much about the shadow stuff. You would be better having someone who is an expert answer them questions
As I said, it’s not my forte, but, the ball, the shadows? It looks fake to me now.
Lol. Words fail me.
Footballers acting to a choreographer’s instruction in front of a green screen
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Are you presenting footage of footballers in front of a green screen in 2007 as proof of green screen use at hillsborough in 1989. Lol.
Firstly, the commentator says here, ‘Live and Exclusive to Sports Stadium”. I don’t know exactly what ‘exclusive’ means but it would suggest that they may have been the only channel showing it live. That appears relevant here.
BBC did not show it live. Whatever theprice1 remembers. The facts are, it was not shown live in England and they went to the ground after the game had stopped.
Since he never said world exclusive suggests he was talking about his own country (republic of ireland).
check out what i found over at “wonkypedia”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988%E2%80%9389_FA_Cup
1988–89 FA Cup
scroll down to Television Coverage near the bottom.
Television Coverage
The BBC had all rights to show FA Cup games. They were able to show one live game from Round 3 onwards as part of Match of the Day Live. They were also able to show highlights of games from Round 1 onwards on Match Of The Day. [2] These matches were.
Scroll down to the semi final.
Semi-finals Liverpool v Nottingham Forest
You posted the panorama programme on the 13th april with the statement.
BBC PANORAMA one would think, would be as good as anywhere to look for some bum steers as they say down the gallops.
when I referred to something in it, You said that cant be trusted.You didnt prove me wrong either, I remember it being on the TV and you remember it not being on the TV. We left it at that unless you have come up with footage from grandstand to prove it was not on.
I never said it wasn’t possible, anythings possible. I said that you have not presented any evidence to support the statements your making. Im not stopping anyone from doing any research on the subject.
You talk about vicsims yet you have yet to present any evidence to support a single vicsim. You talk about pairs of actors in the crowd, but no evidence to support it. It seems though that a different viewpoint is not appreciated or any challenge to the statements that your making.
Why did you post it if it cant be trusted. There are always undercover police at football matches, especially in the 80s. Not really the same as people involved in a hoax type scenario. Have you got anything that you would say is evidence to back up any of the statements that you are making. The people appear to be genuine to me. The family members that they are talking about would be fake then. Have you found the family members they are discussing to establish if they are fake. The women (doreen jones) who says that she was not allowed to touch her son, her husband (leslie jones) speaks just before her and described how his son was wheeled in and he identified him then his girlfriend was wheeled in and he identified her. Other people describe being in the gymnasium while identifications were taking place.
I have already seen that documentary that you posted when it was on the TV and I have seen them people being interviewed at other times and I consider them all to be credible.
It would have been very easy just to engineer the disaster and blame the Liverpool fans. They had been blamed for the Hysel stadium incident which seen all english teams banned from european competition for 5 years. The national perception of scousers has never been great, we have all heard the jokes.
Q. If you see a Scouser on a bicycle, why should you never swerve to hit him?
A: It might be your bicycleQ: What do you call a Scouser in a suit?
A: The accused.Engineer the crush, use the media to smear the fans, cover it up and the jobs done. Though the families wouldnt give up.
There have been lots of witnesses and family members who were there who have given interviews. Start with the videos you posted on this thread and point out which ones you believe are acting. Thats the theory that you are promoting, surely you have some evidence to back up what your saying. You say that there were pairs of actors in the crowd but were is the evidence. You believe that they engineered a crush but then used actors. For what? to act like they had been in a crush, which they had. They would not have had to do much acting.
Question 1. It is impossible to tell how far he has been taken and impossible to know why he is in that exact spot.
Question 2. Its impossible to tell what age the person is, it seems to be a male but again thats impossible to tell. Maybe he is old enough to go to the match alone or with friends and its also impossible to tell if his dad or guardian is not standing beside or behind the camera man.
Just after the match gets called off, you can see spectators going up and speaking to Steve Nichol. Would that have been possible to fake in 1989. Brian Clough was not the sort of person who you would think they would get to be involved in what your talking about. The terraces behind the goal are split into pens and the worst of the crushing happens in the centre pen, it was not so bad in the pens either side of the centre pen.
The policeman in charge that day had never done a football match before and it seems that it was him that give the order to open the gate allowing people into the already overcrowded terrace. The only people who should be behind the goal are the ballboys and the people who watch the crowd. There are that many supporters behind the goal its impossible to say whos who. You can see people walking round the pitch to get back out of the ground by going up the steps of the stands and the passages beside the pens.
What about the families and the witnesses who were there. What about the footage of the people who were there that day. There is no way that they could all be actors. They can not get some credible actors to do these hoaxes these days, But 25 years ago they were amazing. The footage that was shown on the BBC will be very hard to come by with the BBC being a government agency and the police being the cause. Some of the footage has been used in some of the documentarys that have been done on the subject and maybe after the inquests some more of the footage might be made available.
I will be very interested to see were you are going to go with the whole thing. I will try and keep an open mind,though I do believe it was more likely to have been engineered than a hoax. It would not be a first time I have been wrong.
The match was stopped 6 minutes into the game, while the crush was going on. It was not the aftermath. So the disaster was in progress while it was live on TV and I would still argue that the majority of the match (6 mins) had been live, but I cant prove it so we will leave it there. I only looked up wiki when you offered a poster from Digital Spy as the gospel.
Your offering a poster on digital spy as proof.
They can think what they like over at digital spy, I watched live on the TV.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandstand_(TV_series)
near the bottom of page.
Historic, noteworthy or bizarre live events broadcast
The Hillsborough football ground disaster on 15 April 1989.
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