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no surprise that this particular event was later chosen by Kham’s intel friends for benefitting her credence in conspiracy culture.
Really ? Her credence ? She got it completely wrong didn’t she ? She thought people had died.
This episode has done nothing but question her ‘credence’.DalTampra
Interesting stuff xileffilex. You must have found more people alive over the years than anyone I know. Cheers!
Both the Bournemouth crash and the Llanberis one have to be questionable as
it appears that in the case of PsyOps, they do literally just fall out of the sky.With the Wessex it makes sense. How can you turn a routine training exercise into a powerful lesson that can be shown to cadets for decades ?
ANSWER – stage a ‘deadly’ crash and film it.A thought does come to my mind that the majority of genuine deaths in the army probably come from accidents during drills and exercises so we shouldn’t be too hasty to automatically call ‘fake’ when we see a ‘drill-goes-wrong-people die’ scenario. But, in the case of the 1993 Wessex, I think PsyOp is the most likely scenario.
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So, a flaming King Power reference in the car park of Leicester City.
Carpark – King – Leicester City, we’ve seen this before haven’t we ?
In 2015 apparently Richard III’s skeleton was exhumed from the carpark of Leicester City Council Social Services and ultimately reinterred at Leicester Cathedral on 26 March 2015.
Now that’s a comedy of it’s own when you look at it, but for now, get this : on 26 March 2015 Leicester City Football Club were rock bottom of the Premier League.
They’d been bottom for over four months and looked sure for relegation.
BUT after they said they’d reinterred old Richard III and finally given the old King a decent burial in Leicester, the football team started winning, and winning a lot.
They went on a remarkable run, first winning four games on the trot and ultimately
securing 22 points from the last nine games and drawing away from the relegation zone.
Of course, they then went on win the Premier League the very next season. All this from exactly the moment they gave old Richard a decent burial at the King Power Stadium while the team wore KING POWER on their shirts.
So yeh, carpark, Leicester City, King Power. Yes, yes, yes, we get it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhumation_and_reburial_of_Richard_III_of_England
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_III_of_EnglandDalTampra
When the Arianne Grande PsyOp was carried out in Manchester 18 months ago I noted that there was only ONE other piece of news that day, as presented on The News : the death of James Bond actor Roger Moore. Regardless as to if and when Moore may have actually died it seemed conspicuous and certainly contrived to add to the ‘black’ day we were experiencing.
When the Vegas shooting Op happened at a Country Music festival and it was announced that Tom Petty had died that same day, it felt like more of the same. A double whammy of News : the mass casualty event at a concert combined with the announcement of the death of a much loved musical figure..oh yeh ? This all makes some sense, of course. It’s there to enhance the effect of the message by adding to the shock factor of the day, using a well-known character many can relate to.
Here, on Saturday, along with this flaming-KING-POWER-reference-of-a-football-Op we also had the shocking News that well known ex-footballer and former England manager(meaning, I think, he obviously is some kind of agent, anyway) Glen Hoddle, 61, had had a heart attack. As time wore on and we still had no confirmation of who had died in the helicopter crash, the news stations also left us hanging with the Hoddle situation.
All part of the plan, I’d suggest.Here’s regular pundit Hoddle with another major football agent, Steven Gerard.
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What’s your theory then, Tom? She just got tired of being an MP and living on a boat and a story was hatched?
He he. No!
I can’t say exactly why, but for me, it simply has to be part of the Brexit narrative. It can’t be anything else. Big important votes aren’t left to chance. It’s as simple as that.
It amplified emotions and made the ‘shock’ result even more shocking.
It was an event which helped define how ‘we’ saw the world at the time of the Brexit vote. The Battle of Brexit had a ‘real’ flesh and blood casualty who has been written into history and the remainers have a martyr with her own street named after her in Brussels.And it must be all part of the plan.
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While Plan [or Plein] A to keep the UK in the EU backfired spectacularly, Plans B-Z are still being worked through.
If you’re suggesting the Jo Cox operation was a failed attempt at keeping the U.K in the EU, xileffilex, I have to suggest otherwise.
In the world as I see it, the game is fixed and results are controllable. Much as intuitively, events might suggest otherwise, something as important as the Brexit outcome would not be left to chance and what happened (and is happening) was (and is )all part of the plan.Based on some foreshadowing I was looking at, I’ll speculate that Britain returns to the EU by 2022 and it was planned that way for years.
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Yes, Westminster Bridge Attack victims remembered this week.
It’s no doubt been mentioned, but whilst I’d clocked the Kurt Cobain subliminal with Kurt Cochran, when it happened, I’d not seen the simple play in victim Aysha Frade’s name. Ha! Be A.Frade, literally.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45482226
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”Is Paul McCartney a woman ? ” you ask.
You and the odious bullshit artist Jungle Surfer, then.No, and why the fuck would he be ? Is my reply.
Fuck knows what the actual meaning of George Martin’s coat of arms is,
but to conclude it’s indicative of Macca being a woman seems like ridiculous reaching.It’s fine. You’re in the right place. This is a world of disinformation here. There’s all sorts of bullshit talked about. Check out the silly EGI sub blog for example – same sort of shite.
So crack on. Just don’t expect me to do anything other than diss this type of trash when I see it.
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I like some of the musings. ‘Brain Cock’ is wonderful.
Like UNreal, I’m less taken by Suk Lemon, but it works as deserved parody.
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Is a character who played Jill Dando now playing the Duchess of Wessex ?
No, I certainly don’t think so. That suggestion seems just as fallacious as most all the other x is y suggestions we hear about in this world of disinformation.Interesting, though, that the Duchess of Wessex’s similarities to Jill Dando seem deliberately alluded-to here in this Jill Dando Memorial Fund set-piece.
Mmm…
To understand why these similarities may have been deliberately suggested one would have to understand the weight of public sympathy that was generated for first Diana, in 1997 and then Jill Dando two years later. The two tragic ‘English roses’were very much in the public’s hearts.
That the Duchess of Wessex had the same haircut and had a bit of the look of Diana and Jill would, I suggest, be a very good tactic of P.R for Royal machine as they brought the Duchess into the Family: her marriage coming so soon after Dando’s apparent shooting.
She could piggy-back on the wave of artificially created public sympathy.To claim Jill is the Duchess seems idiotic, but it seems enough suggestion was left there to gain sympathy for the Duchess on a subliminal level and at the same time provide enough fuel for the agents of obfuscation to come in and make another bullshit suggestion and distract from any real investigation of these highly questionable events.
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Rachel said : ” I would argue the whole EGI youtube thing was to misdirect from this.”
Ah, So you see that UNreal’s E.G.I thread and the rash of spurious transgender youtubes were there to misdirect. Fair enough. You must have suspicions that UNreals intentions aren’t true then, or do you just think he’s a dupe going along with a trend in disinformation ?
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UNreal said : ”Regarding your position on the Annette A. Carrion case you sure did not express much of solid stance on air with Faye”
UNreal, I said that I thought John Adams was ‘probably connected to ‘intelligence’.
What more can I say, really ? Other than ‘it obviously looked like a set up’, which I also said. I reject your take on it. I understand English is your third language and accept this as an understandable explanation for your lack of clarity on the issue.
I shall endeavour to make my points, more clearly, in future.So, we can agree then, that I am indeed making a relevant point on this thread ?
I am talking about agents in the alternative.My point re. Junglesurfer I believe, which is still relevant to this thread too, is that, in my book, he is an agent. He’s part of your Conspiracy Conspiracy.
That is all.
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UNreal said – ”Although i have not done extensive research on the many YouTube channels and YT personalities, in my experience so far i have not encountered any particular YT conspiracy outlet that i find fully trustworthy : JungleSurfer, Dave Johnson and Russianvids included”.
Good.
Having read your EGI thread, I think you shoot yourself in the foot then, by giving credence to and posting certain other youtube characters highly dubious material.UNreal said: ”To deceptively partake in an active PsyOps like John Adams have clearly demonstrated in the Annette Carrion case surely would require every decent Fakeologist including you Tom Dalpra to take a firm position and actually speak out for once ?”
Well, nice of you to call me ‘decent’, but ‘speak out for once’? Gimme a break. I’ve ‘spoken out’ plenty here at this site over the years as you should know. As it happens, I’ve long given my take on Carriongate on your favoured format, in audiochat. Here:
http://fakeologist.com/blog/2018/05/22/fac469-fayetomd/In that audio I say I think it looked like an obvious set-up, hence I have to suspect John to be ‘attached to intelligence” (for want of a better way to put it).
Seeing as it seemed such an obvious set-up, I just sat back and watched what was going on at the time, on that one. ‘Why rise to the obvious?’ was my thinking.
It seemed a divisive tactic from the get-go by it’s nature.
Some kind of test, perhaps…a drill ?
Trying to divide the ‘followers’ from the pack ?Anyway, the question I always had with that was not, ”Is she really dead”, but ”why is John fucking with us?”
In came Davej frothing at the mouth like Alex Jones and it all became a bit of a pantomime. All seemed very suspect.
I’m not saying you’re an agent of the conspiracy conspiracy, but your thread would have been a part of the plan, whether you knew it or not. You know how it works.
As I say, it seemed a divisive tactic and in view of the much larger series of Ops which were happening at that time, it was perhaps a good distraction to get people racing into the mountains after a leather clad biker girl.But hey, I don’t know, I’m open to whatever, I’m just giving you my take right now. You know, that thing I so rarely give!
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Yes, but what about Junglesurfer, for example, UNreal ? You posted links to him multiple times on your EGI thread and there’s been no doubt in my mind he’s a wrongun for years. Have you looked at all the ludicrous claims he makes juxtaposed some credible, interesting stuff ?
Russianvids would be another. A bunch of interesting stuff often, but delivered tainted when attached to strawman arguments like , ”I gotta tell you guys. Alex Jones is Bill hicks.”
Junglesurfer and Russianvids have both made the mainstream media, quoted as conspiwacy theowists, (your mate Davej too, as it goes ). Do I think TPTB would have given these guys the exposure if they saw no benefit in it? No I don’t. Agents or not, they might as well be with what they produce.
So yeh, this is all very well, but if you’re genuinely interested in outing the disinformation agents, then it might be a good idea to start looking at your own research.
This would be an example of what I see – and think you should see too -as certainly partly, utter crap.
Are Jungle Surfer, Russianvids and Davej all disinformation agents working for military intelligence (or Naval in Davej’s case ) ? I don’t know, but I think it would be naive to think that the ‘alternative’ side of Youtube is not actively participated in by some agents and these guys certainly fit the bill as far as I’m concerned. Because if they’re not agents, they certainly seem to behave like they are.
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Ok. It wasn’t another rugby club exactly, on the flight, but four members of a Rugby club from Stockport who had travelled to watch the Four Nations match against France in Paris.
I’m not saying that this isn’t notable, but on that day with other flights back to London being cancelled, it strikes me as possibly quite likely there would be some other rugby fans on that plane.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/stockports-forgotten-four-victims-second-6762909That said, I couldn’t help a double-take at this cartoon-like picture of alleged victim Sydney Waterhouse. It’s just one of those ‘enhanced’ images, isn’t it, but it could make one think!
Another image linked to that Manchester Evening News piece says it’s the ‘Remains of the aircraft’ but looks like a photo from a different, more recent crash. I think it’s flight 1951 which went down in 2000.
Another example of sloppy journalism, I guess.
If we look at say Shanksville on 9/11 and the scene of that crash, we can certainly say that didn’t look right, but I just can’t reach a firm take, here with this old one.
There must have been – I think – some genuine major airline crashes at some point, shouldn’t there? I’d still like to look at one that we think is real, to compare.
With this Paris one, the tops of the trees look a bit dodgy to me as if they’ve been sawn off. Would they really be neatly sheared like that by a plane flying into them? I don’t know, but it does look a bit questionable.
Sorry to not be more firm with my take here, but for me the evidence remains indecisive at this point.
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It would be interesting to me to find a major air crash that we could say with conviction was real just to see what a real one looks like!
I certainly don’t reject the idea that this incident was faked, I just hadn’t looked at it and don’t know.
There’s a few details in the numbers which made me raise my eye-brows slightly.
First off, this ‘World record’ air crash happened on 3/3 /1974The 177 British dead in this ‘most fatal plane crash in history’ also has to be noted.
The other one was that it was said to hit the ground 77 seconds after the original explosion.
These numbers don’t amount to coincidences too-far and could be retrospectively massaged, but they did make me wonder.
It occurred in broad daylight at a quite popular tourist spot. We’re told
”Many Sunday strollers saw the crash. There was disagreement among them as to whether the plane had been on fire before crashing, but most agreed that thick smoke was pouring from the huge trijet as it came down.”After 9/11 we know anything is possible with planes in broad daylight, but with this being a popular tourist spot and a Sunday, my impression is, it doesn’t seem like a truly isolated area. Lots of people could see the plane crashing and members of the public could have been first on the scene.
I’m not saying this means it has to be real, it just isn’t a completely isolated
area, in this case.You say this crash ” had a sporting theme (rugby clubs)” xileffilex.
Was there more than one team like Bali ? I’ve only read about the Bury St Edmunds team at this point.The victim list has a somewhat familiar and broad international coverage. There were apparently 177 Britons, 48 Japanese, 44 Turkish, 25 Americans, 16 French, 5 Brazilians, 3 Argentine, 2 Australian, 2 Indians, 1 Belgian, 1 Cypriot, 1 West German, 1 Irish, 1 Moroccan, 1 New Zealander, 1 Pakistani, 1 Senegalese, 1 Spaniard, 1 Swedish, 1 Swiss, and one South Vietnamese.
I don’t know, I really don’t have a firm take with this one.
I’d like to think that I’d be able to tell straight-away just by taking-in the media, whether a crash was real or not if it happened today.
I have less of a feel for this retrospectively. I could say in casual conversation that it was ‘probably fake’ like a whole bunch of other major incidents, but I wouldn’t say it with much conviction.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/jet-crashes-killing-346-paris-1974-article-1.2551815DalTampra
Regarding the title of this concerted effort in worthless bullshit of a thread, I have to ask what is it supposed to mean ?
”Diana:the tranny stand in ” suggests Diana herself was the tranny stand-in. Is this what is meant to be communicated?
Might I suggest ”Diana and the tranny stand-in”Bless you rgos, I understand English isn’t your first language, it just looks clumsy and I thought you might want to know. It looks like you’ve been reading too many newspapers and getting confused, although I suppose evidently here, you have been.
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Yes. Quite.
To us, obvious from the get-go. The childlike, slightly baffling narrative…he’d done a ”spy swap” and the prevailing wisdom that Putin did it. You know, poisoned him and the child. He can do that sort of thing without any problem. And it’s alright to make jokes about it.
‘Anyone for Zizzi ?’ 🙂 I’ll go for Wild boar meatballs.
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