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  • in reply to: Men-are-bad/Gay-is-good steering media events #858037

    Just found that Greymonat equally has a “Couchsurfing” profile (here), and she both sounds and looks less lesbian on those pages with no mention of girlfriend “Chris”. Difficult to know if Geymonat’s colleges are aware she faints by the sight of blood or not…

    Geymonat - coachsurfing nurse

    Geymonat with boyfriend Urugayan mate

    Geymonat with boyfriend Urugayan mate travelling

    ” Taking my Uruguayan mate as far as I can 🙂 “

    Melania Geymonat quotation from her Coachsurfing profile

    in reply to: Men-are-bad/Gay-is-good steering media events #858036

    ” The next thing I know is I’m being punched. I got dizzy at the sight of my blood and fell back. I don’t remember whether or not I lost consciousness. Suddenly the bus had stopped, the police were there and I was bleeding all over. ” article

    The main difference between acting and crisis-acting is that the narrative is presented as real in media hoaxes, and the aim is not to entertain but to deceive. The fact lying and acting are so close matches does make one wonder about the sincerity of actors as they all will master a form of deception many, if not most, are incapable of detecting.

    When we analyze media-fakery detecting lies is clearly an important aspect as it informs us about the nature of the characters presented to us, who invariably takes on a role of godly honest, innocent victims. Detecting untruthfulness on the behalf of a witness is clearly a bad sign in itself, and moreso for media-events that already suffer from poor credibility.

    How is it possible a Doctor gets dizzy by the sight of blood ?

    melania geymonat linkedin profile
    Melania Geymonat’s LinkedIn profile (here)

    melania geymonat education
    Melania Geymonat is a doctor of medecine (2018)

    ” Melania puts on her gloves, takes a clip and begins to explain to us the remarkable engineering of our body, and she does it very well because Melania is a being between medicine and literature, while she dissects a throat and shows me the vocal cords […] ” quotation link

    in reply to: Men-are-bad/Gay-is-good steering media events #858034

    Main characteristics of any Psychological Operation is that PsyOps are fiction created to fit a predetermined outcome. Goals of PsyOps may vary, in this case the agenda seems to fit a global policy of prioritizing minority communities over global population interest, and to normalize* deviant sexual behavior.

    Fear is used to enforce popular empathy which makes the public place themselves in the pretended victims position – here as gay, multicultural females suffering male violence in the form of sexual masochism (possibly nationalistic for some added Brexit disgust).

    In a PsyOp, the pretended drama which is fictional forces the authors to integrate as many literal and figurative cues as possible in order to make the public both accept the story without question, and to have the narrative resonate as much as possible for maximized newsworthiness and media/public attention.

    The literal cues here are many, and starts with the names that rejoins the Gay Pride LGBTQ+ efforts of the month of June, thereafter establishes a gay couple with typically heterosexual names (Chris & Melania). The male “Chris” theme is enhanced by heavy clothing and dominant behavior in interviews, while female innocence is outlined for Geymonat with her more fragile appearance and white shirt/lighter clothing.

    The fact this “incident” happened in the UK is figuratively connected to the typical London double decker bus. Without a local artefact it would have been hard to place American Chris and Spanish Melania in the UK.

    ” Fighting broke out and I don’t know how we got from fighting on the top of the bus down to the lower deck but in that time frame they took my phone, her bag and they ran off the bus. ” – American Chris

    Homophobic attack leaves 2 U.K. women injured
    CBC News – 8 Jun 2019 – 02:43 (mm:ss) – 17K views

    The discrepancy between the purported injuries and the absence of subsequent symptoms is also quite revealing of the nature of this event as a PsyOp and thus meant as warfare on our minds, and the aftermath is quite predictably all about the Gay Pride month and raising “awareness” about homophobic hate-crimes with recognizable and politicized jargon and rhetoric.

    ” A banged up jaw can also force people to rely upon alternative methods of communication. In lieu of talking, the patient may have to resort to emails, using a pen and notepad or having a friend speak on their behalf […] One surgical procedure frequently used to repair broken jaws is to wire the jaw shut. In other words, the damaged jaw is wired to the teeth of the opposing jaw. These wires usually remain in place for 6 to 8 weeks, and serve to stabilize the jaw as it begins to heal […] ” Healing a broken jaw

    Despite the fact American Chris reportedly broke her jaw, she apparently has no problems talking and moving her mandible, nor does Melanie’s newly broken nose look particularly swollen (nor misaligned) or her voice sound nasal.

    I’m left scratching my head, wondering why these interconnections exist when they definitely didn’t have to in order to achieve the desired effect of the PsyOp.

    Using popular culture references clearly would be in favor of establishing better chances for resonance in the public who does latently carry a heavy burden of images subconsciously from the massive doses of entertainment we all mostly indulge in and that purposefully pollute our subconscience.

    The likeness between Jennifer Connelly and Melania Geymonat is quite striking from the initial news-poster image of the alleged blind lesbian violence. The improbable money throwing from unemployed teenagers saving money taking the nightbuss home and not a cab or Uber does appear misplaced – if not for the tie to the iconic youth movie Requiem for a Dream.

    Hard to know if PsyOp authors start out with a cinema connections and choose the main crisis actors thereafter, or if it is the other way round. In both cases the tools are the same as a successful media-hoax relies on its popularity and that the more literal, figurative and metaphoric links that can be tied into such events, the greater the chances the public will be seduced as they subliminally identify cues that match their psyche and imagination.

    The cultural interconnections Terran Downvale highlights most definitely exist. Any PsyOp would focus on integrating as many such cues as possible to enhance the impact of an imaginary storyline whose “raison d’ĂŞtre” is not to be real, but to gain interest and popularity in order to mold popular opinion and behavior.

    *globally underlying narrative goals are also persistent in the mostly contrived Truth movement where operators subliminally (by mimetism) encourage swearing, drinking, smoking etc.

    in reply to: Men-are-bad/Gay-is-good steering media events #858021

    Oh my – out of the four bullies that atacked the gay couple, the Police now have arrested five… Great work by Detective Superintendent Andy Cox.

    London Police Arrest Fifth Suspect in Attack on Lesbian Couple

    in reply to: Men-are-bad/Gay-is-good steering media events #858020

    Not surprising that this “Gay” attack was perpetrated on Miss ‘Gey’monat…

    For a staged event, the injuries sure look pretty realistic, especially the swelling on Gaymonat. The least realistic part i agree is the blood and the apparent “haphazard” choice of a white shirt. It makes the contrast with blood quite exposed, thus revealing an unlikely pattern of the gush of blood from a broken nose.

    The fact Gaymonat does not have any blood on her hands is unlikely in the case of a broken nose as the natural reaction in her situation would be to protect her nose and stop the bleeding. And a broken nose bleeds quite severely – moreso than what seems to have been poured onto her white shirt.

    Geymonat buss attack

    Another strange element about the injuries is how Gaymonat have no marks whatsoever of her aftermath black eye – if she was hit on the eye she should have some redness at the least. Both victims were also injured on just one eye – the left eye.

    in reply to: More Carrion #858008

    More Carrion
    in the Alternative Media
    No alternative researcher can ever ignore the 9/11 hoax, the cultural references are too many and the Military Psychological Operation (PsyOp) divisions keep integrating subliminal elements in popular culture to make sure we never really forget – despite many think they do.

    The Annette A. Carrion case is of course nothing of the scale of 911, and despite the numerous MainStream Media (MSM) articles covering the motorcycle accident of Instagram star and Redraven Annette Carrion, it is a mediahoax more specific to alternative research in its aftermath – and possibly continuously used as a tongue in cheek moment used by its perpetrators on the few of us here reading these pages of the alternative realm.

    No doubt, most researchers on this site apparently find the Annette Carrion hoax insignificant and clearly do not bother with its details nor inevitable conclusions. Nevertheless, tiny clever clues do pop up now and then that do remind us the incident is far from forgotten by perpetrators who clearly initially thought the Carrion controversy would start and end with “Crazy Dave J” being outed and his video taken off the Youtubes and Faketubes for no-one to see.

    With the likes of QOR and Gaia popping up on Fakeologist as Carrion apologists, it is also the skin deep “ignorance” of our research in this thread that is striking. There have been several occasions where the haphazard mention of “Carry On” clearly could be interpreted as a hoodwink to “Carrion” as in this Annette A. Carrion motorcycle death hoax, thus poking us here subliminally.

    Just recently i’m probably to blame for referring to the Annette Carrion hoax as the apologetic stance on this hoax made me elaborate further in the Conspiracy Conspiracy forum pages (post link) as the Carrion case might (imo) be used as a litmus test for fake Truthers as they insist on ignoring the facts of the investigation done in this dedicated Carry On FAK forum.

    Needless to say – i got the distinct impression that the unknown-to-me Fakeologist member from Geneva (Louis) was very specific in his quite peculiar bumper in favor of who he considers the “best” : BenoĂ®t Clerc (Geris).

    (40 seconds final bumper from FAC579 by Louis)

    Fakeologist, I’m Louis from Geneva, Switzerland – and i have to approve that everythings that this guy, BenoĂ®t Clerc, talk about – it’s true, and it’s the best i hear until now. See you guys. Carry On, do the same. Kiss

    Now, i don’t know how cheeky this really is to you – but it sure comes across as some fine-tuned Dupers Delight to me – but thenagain, this is just my own opinion and ear-testimony.

    Oh – i’ve not heard much about Louis from Geneva, nor able to put together how he so quickly came across Geris’ real name and found the time to record and upload his bumper ? Maybe time to Carry On investigating…

    in reply to: The Conspiracy Conspiracy #857994

    TCC Fake Layman Researchers

    Truther Auto Outing
    One of the most significant aspects of establishing the origin and amplitude of the TCC is to realize at what scale intelligence agencies have involved themselves with the conspiracy community in order to dominate a subculture that in its inception was of intelligence origin and fairly simplistic : UFO’s & assassinations.

    Conspiracy research history is rich, and often instructive. If we take an off-hand example such as the imagery used for the 1912 Titanic sinking, it becomes clear how conspiracy research might benefit from historical perspective as we mostly will be able to unmistakably identify fraud, as the technical level of falsified documents compare disfavorably to modern scrutiny.

    The Iceberg that hit the Titanic
    Iceberg that hit the Titanic photographed by SS Prinz Adalberts (unnamed) chief steward

    The above image is quite demonstrably fabricated, but its time-limited relevance did not impact its contemporaneous utility. For the general public, such fraudulent artifacts are hidden by the mainstream media’s unscrupulous focus on current events and time becomes insurmountable barrier for the general public. The only angle well received about past events is a contemporary analysis with the modern cues we crave subconsciously for being entertained – or a feature film of course (most watched movies of all time).

    Nevertheless, the proof for this event to have happened comprises falsified evidence such as blatant image montage of the main witness – the silent iceberg (with its red strike of paint)

    In conspiracy theory research, the example of the Titanic iceberg is relevant to how we often can (or should) benefit from past conclusive investigations that bear significance on the current conspiracy debate. The tools of slight are the same as used by the MSM, focus on the now, ignore genuine research and repeat your message ad nauseam.

    What yesteryears investigation of Annette A. Carrion demonstrated was hardly surprising – a motorcycle death hoax, then a classic DCP (Dead Celebrity Program) follow-up with parents and friends dying or vanishing from radar. Normally, every media hoax aware researchers have zero doubts around a story that not only had all the tell-tale elements of hoaxed events – but that also was investigated to minute detail.

    The proof is said to be in the pudding, and the very real effects of this hard-to-ignore case of media-fakery was that the researcher who established himself as a credible witness (John Adams) has quietly disappeared. As has the close circle of collaborators who tried to backpaddle with him. Even the platform itself (hoax busters call) has close to fallen off the radar.

    As the example of the Titanic iceberg reminds us – discarding the present-day chatter allows us to rest on conclusive past findings and valid proof of fraud. What is even moreso relevant to TCC research: those who persist promoting the Titanic iceberg (hereunder Carrion) as a real event despite proven findings, they factually demonstrate having both memory and motivation to spread false information.

    Even if we asked such suspect characters if they were indeed fake truthers, we could not have asked for a better answer than they provide us with their own volontary admittance of willfully ignoring past valid research and findings. So, thanks to Gaia and Question Our Reality for outing themselves !

    Gaia Auto Outing:
    Gaia Auto Outing with Annette Carrion
    Gaia Comment on Discord (#make_a_date text channel, 06/06/2019)

    You are talking about an attic autist who believes that he “nailed” a “fake” case on a tragic accidental death of a friend of one of the main “partners in crime” of Fakeologist; John Adams from Hoaxbusterscall, and accuses him of “lying” about that death. By association, he discredits Chris Kendall, the owner of that site, as an “agent”. The guy (Unreal, what’s in the name) knows no reason, or recognizes counterarguments to his quickly scripted “thesis”, so it has become an entrenched belief. Reasoning with those kind of people is like expecting an intelligent conversation with a brick wall. (edited)
    QOR Auto Outing

    QOR Auto Outing with Annette Carrion
    QOR article excerpt (link)

    Back in the Spring of 2018, the John R. Adams told the Fakeologist Communtiy or Nest of Shills about the death of his wife’s friend Annette Carrion. This ignited Dave J. and other Fakeologist Controlled Opposition Shills to attack John R. Adams for lying with videos being made and even a Fakeologist Forum Topic. Tim Fakeologist owner was asked by many Hoax Busters Call Controlled Opposition Shills to ban Dave J and remove the Annette Carrion Fake Death Thread from Fakeologist.com. Tim put his foot down and said No Way, No How.

    Well Tim might have single handedly caused John R. Adams to disappear for good. Can Tim just say he’s sorry already to John about what happened? I think the answer is Yes and I’ve put together for Tim something to read to John R Adams when he contacts him to say he’s sorry […]

    in reply to: THE MILLENIUM FALL-CON 2001 (satr wars clues) #857989

    unreal your avatar has a monolith in it

    Ha! You are right.

    As i did research 911 and especially the WTC, it became clear to me there was evidently double speak at work and that a very dark side of the otherwise bright clad towers was lurking in the shadows… As a representation of the double reality of the WTC towers, it seemed to accurate to represent this as a perspective of a WTC tower with one side bright-lit and the other in darkness/shadow…

    The fact black and white equally are masonic colors and the WTC factually masonic pillars did of course occur to me – but a sign (my avatar) is really just a frozen moment of reflection that belongs to its creator, regardless of any interpretation anyone else might make of it. Also, whenever you draw or write – it is darkness cast on light.

    WTC light & shadow - all unreal

    in reply to: THE MILLENIUM FALL-CON 2001 (satr wars clues) #857985

    law – wal

    Not sure if you’re being really honest (not convinced about starlord either)… it is more irony that transpire from your insinuations. I do like irony.

    My own opinion about the current stock of Fakeologists that all conveniently avoid doing any valid research nor have the interest to participate in any Forum topic or discuss any website posting meaningfully is that they illustrate to what extent intelligence operators infiltrate even the most minute of communities – especially when some damaging research and opinion pops up.

    When members need to bite their tongue and circumvent obvious observations such as unmistakable frauds that continue being promoted and no attention given when paid intelligence operators are exposed – Fakeologist.com becomes a complicit party.

    As you (Napoleon Wilson) well know Chris Kendall, John Adams, Kham, Darcey Stephen Johnstone – they have all been unmistakably exposed by Fakeologists on Fakeologist. Yet there has been no serious coverage of these major examples of paid intelligence operators which testifies to the unwillingness to explore new research that actually matters – we (Fakeologists members) were the victims of these fake truthers deceptive disruption and influence.

    Overall, it seems obvious that not many genuine individuals have the time, insight and inclination to participate on air publicly on controversial subjects. It appears the experts are in charge of most alternative audio broadcasts and that they pretend to be some type of fictitious, plausible “honest” Fakeologist members that in reality do not exist. Cardboard characters. Funding and interest in a site like Fakeologist seems to fade and quality drops as the interest given to events of 911 quickly washes out.

    Quality of contributions and content appear to be at an absolute low – and i’m not sure how many times frauds like Gaia needs to be brought back onto this site, but we digress from the level of operators* that preced him like the now Busted Hoax Busters.

    I guess speaking “honestly” here takes away from the topic discussed in this Millenium Fall-Con Forum Thread that i just now understand having familiarized with some of the Star Wars lore anew.

    When someone have done a decent amount of alternative research, it becomes hard to escape the implications of our findings even when we mind other activities in our lives. The subliminal war on the public is omnipresent in every form of entertainment which the links between Star Wars and 911 clearly show as you here point out*.

    The mere fact we equally see 911 clues dropped in so many different variations of popular culture is significant not only in isolation for Star Wars, but also more generally when considering how many examples have been found to date of 911 foreshadowing – and we might expect more to found. The number of feature films for 2018 is 11.413 according to IMDB*, with Hollywood producing around 800 movies (818 in 2016).

    As a curious tidbit on Star Wars lore, how many people speak and think about the evil Darth Vader without noticing “Vader” is a simplistic encoding of Fader/Father*?

    *7K tv-series in 2018 (IMBD), 11K movies produced 2018 (IMBD)

    *and what to say about the new poor voice impression of the Geris
    (G iris) character who severely overdoes his pronunciation and mistakes Swiss accent for French – maybe time intelligence sent operators on location to realize what multilingual Swiss actually sound like… A clue – no thick French accents even in Lausanne & Geneva.

    *what do you imply with “satr wars” – is it “satire wars” or something else maybe?

    *in typography, the “F” was initially represented by a “V” and in German language the “V” still acts an “F” in words like “vater” which is pronounced “fahter.”

    Hal 9000 computer

    in reply to: THE MILLENIUM FALL-CON 2001 (satr wars clues) #857980

    id be more concerned at why judy wood,s was introduced,? clearly just to cover up 2nd rate models , and false physics , ps no shills will tell you the tower collapse was models, even woked ones .

    I’m not a great fan of the “shill” expression, which is a term used by paid operators with the aim to water down the fact intelligence agencies fund and lead the Truth movement – Conspiracy Theory is an Military Intelligence expression & invention after all.

    Agree that 911 “research” is better described as a gatekeeping exercice where actual insight rarely comes without some serious bias. As for the scalemodel of the WTC being used to film the “fall con” i agree, and this well explains the impossible transparent tower images (model pic’s) and a metal model aircraft bursting into and penetrating a plexiglass model skyscraper.

    In popular culture there was a big push for foreshadowing of the 911 Millennium event, and clearly Star Wars was part of that effort. As was Stanley Kubrick in his manner. If we suspect Kubrick was heavily involved with the entire narritive of Space when he rushed to finish his Space Odysse before the moon landing – no doubt his film sized monolith also symbolises the fake Moon mission that like 911 only happened on the black screens of TV monitors.

    in reply to: THE MILLENIUM FALL-CON 2001 (satr wars clues) #857976

    The Star Wars trilogy – now a triple trilogy – is a TV series i’m not very familiar with, but find the fandom and culture built around this fiction to have major impact on general popular culture.

    In the title of this topic, i’m already a bit lost – Satr Wars – do you mean Satire Wars by any chance ?

    Popular culture does rely heavily on entertainment, and even more so when one realises how much of “reality” is actually fiction in its own right. In that sense, it appears logical that entertainment fiction authors are not far apart from scriptwriters of fake narratives presented as real to the general public in the form of great hoaxes, such as the September 11th attack by Islamic terrorist group al-Qaeda.

    As i’m not savvy on Star Wars, it took me a while to realise the Millennium Falcon oft referred to in this forum topic is actually Han Solo’s spaceship in the Star Wars movies,,,! If someone here isn’t familiar with Han Solo (Harrison Ford), he’s a primary character in the original George Lucas Star Wars trilogy as the captain & wizard pilot of the Millennium Falcon spaceship, along with his chimpanzee co-pilot named “Chewbacca”.

    SpaceX Falcon rockets named after Star Wars Millennium Falcon
    Elon Musk named SpaceX Falcon rockets after the Millennium Falcon from Star Wars

    The Millennium Hilton 1992 building is indeed reminiscent of a monolith much like Arthur C Clarke invented for his Space Odyssey novels, and that Kubrick re-interpreted for his 1968 film 2001 A Space Odyssey. However, there are many skyscrapers that seem inspired by monoliths in their own right in NY – like the Seagram building or the United Nations Manhattan Headquarters.

    UN Secretariat Building 1952 designed by Oscar Niemeyer & Le Corbusier
    UN Secretariat Building (154m/505 ft tall) completed 1952 and designed by Oscar Niemeyer & Le Corbusier

    Aside from the monolith being an old archetype in itself, Stanley Kubrick’s interpretation is quite particular as his monolith more mimick the size of a film canvas in a 2,21:1 format that Kubrick particularly insisted on. Arthur C Clarke used a more boxy 9:4 format (1x4x9) for his version of a thicker, shorter, more concrete monolith. Kubrick curiously cut 19 symbolic minutes from the film after the premiere and also trimmed the image to a 2,35:1 format (removed strip off the top and bottom of initial film).

    The literal similarities between Jedi and Jihad are quite intriguing. With biblical references in mind, its also noteworthy that Judah/Judas is equally literally close to the treatcherous contemporary Jihad, and also that an anagram for Jedi is J Die*.

    The Empire Building “strikes back” is really to the point both literally and figuratively despite the quick rebuild of the new One World Order Tower… Other parts of the coded language in this forum topic such as Han Solo’s “h isis ter”, “i know” are difficult to interpret for non Star Wars fans like myself…

    *an alternative anagram for “die” is “bee” as d/p/b are mirror letters, just as J/Je/Ji also represent the masonic G phonetically (Mason Bee aka G die/Jedi)

    in reply to: Exploding buildings #856832

    Well done finding the product page for the George Lucas Chest Compression System.

    From the instruction video it is emphasized how the suction cup should not be on the solar plexus – which seems to be the case for the Paris Gaz explosion fictim. Still, the machine seems identical and the fast pace as well.

    Maybe placing the machine outside of the ribcage and in a soft tissue region is what is required for a healthy person to not be affected by this heart-pump ?

    George Lucas heart vibrator after Paris Gaz explosion appear to be positionned below the ribcage
    the George Lucas heart vibrator after Paris Gaz explosion appear to be positionned below the ribcage

    hereover a snapshot from Lucas Chest Compression System video guidance that emphasize how the suction cup should be placed entirely on the ribcage and to avoid any contact with the sternum. The compressor suction cup should thereby line up with a persons nipple or thereabout…

    The speculation about possible use of robots in drills still puzzles me somewhat as there are 3d printers for printing organic tissue which makes silicone and the like very easily produced and reproduced (3d printers also do 3d scans for replication..)

    Without speculation here below : the barefoot meme is inserted into much of the material once more.

    Barefeet after Paris rue de Trevise gaz explosion
    a bystander/fictim barefeet footage inserted into newsclip after Paris rue de Trevise gaz explosion

    in reply to: Exploding buildings #856826

    actually, on examination of the highest resolution photo I can find so far, it seems to be a crisis actor wearing a drill simulation chest-piece

    The image and your reflection made me think the following : What if this is a hyper-realistic drill with a hyper-realistic doll ?

    The weird placement of the machine on the solar plexus sure looks weird to me – and a human is more recogniseable if the chest is laid bare as a bust is more revelatory than just random flesh…

    Emergency preparedness drill using baby doll
    Emergency preparedness drill using baby doll – could they animate these dolls and make them lifelike ?

    world-renowned robot Sophia hosts an interview with her Hong Kong-based inventor, David Hanson 2017

    Oh – great find on “we-are-change-luke” – his clearly rudicule and sort of confirms the gaz explosion hoax with his very professional hoaxing, all too predictable & all too recogniseable. Still missing a Jason Mason bystander or a multiple disaster fictim i guess…

    in reply to: Exploding buildings #856819

    Here is a barefoot man checking out the dammages with his smartphone. Always funny how the no shoes “Wag the Dog” script seems to pop up*.

    bare foot in the rubble after 6 rue de Trevise Paris gaz explosion
    Barefoot in the rubble after 6 rue de Trevise Paris gaz explosion (twitter)

    burnt-out wrecked cars in Paris 6 rue de Trevise gaz explosion
    Burnt-out, all-wrecked cars in the Paris 1-12 gaz explosion

    What is striking here is that the outside of the building appears to overly “blown out” as the explosion happened inside the building – not outside. Yet the shop decoration outside and above the openings (the non-exploded side of the building is quite impacted as well as smashed in & burnt out cars) are all gone despite not being exposed to the “blast” directly.

    In a way, there is too much of everything in this scene – too many barefoot people, too many phones, too much outside dammage, too heavy intervention (helicopters) etc.

    The injured in the video below seems to have an overpitched heart-pump that seems more theatrical than medical (13 seconds into the video).

    *in the photo of the laughing Police officer from Britain Parliament Incident the injured has no shoes and one feet bare and one with a sock (left foot nude making it kind of checker-like with one black foot, one white)

    in reply to: Exploding buildings #856816

    Indeed, this explosion seems to be just as timely as the Strasbourg chrismas market shootout in december 2018 (here). In both occasions the government were strugling with the yellow west uprising. This saturday was a big day for the yellow wests in Paris. Or should have been…

    Something curious in addition to the scripted imagery and testimonies was the fact “the injured” were transported to a square (Opera Garnier) that is just about the same same distance away from from the explosion as the nearest hospital (HĂ´pital Lariboisière).

    Hôpital Lariboisière Urgences
    1,6 km by car (1,4km walking distance)
    Place de l’Opera (helicopter takeoff)
    2,3 km by car (1,3km walking distance)
    HĂ´pital Saint-Louis Urgences
    2,8 km by car (2,4km walking distance)

    in reply to: Voice Disguise Deception #856642

    The voice morphing discussion from 2007 (here) is a really interesting flash-back (very good find, Xileffilex). In this case, the forensic voice expert Dr. George Papcun* certifies none of the calls from United Flight 93 could have been faked using voice morphing.

    What particularly is interesting is the focus on “Voice Morphing” which i hope readers of this forum thread understand in its true meaning of making a close copy of a person’s voice artificially from a voice sample. In other words, the discussion within a parameter that is voluntarily lackluster as it does not refer to voice disguise as a whole, but rather a very specific technique that is overkill to use in the case of doctored voiced from an airplane (referring to the 2007 discussion on Flight 93).

    In the second post in this thread, the subject of voice morphing software (here, now mostly referred to as voice cloning) is detailed with the never released Adobe “Photoshop for Voice” VoCo, Lyrebird, WaveNet and Baidu. All these tech-solutions propose to faithfully clone a person’s voice and render it with any text-input thereafter – much like Siri with the option of making the voice sound like anyone you like, given a 60 second sample.

    It is significant therefore that the debate on about voice deception in the Truther community has been so focused on an “over-kill” type of technology that seems in addition help confuse the public as factual information is rare and speculation and experts common.

    The practice of voice disguise does not rely on any particular technology or technique and is comprised on a wide set of practices of which voice cloning & voice morphing is a very extreme implementation for the goal with voice deception. The vocabulary does not help us along either as voice changer software happily use references to “morphing” despite this technology in voice technology actually means artificial voice imitation, not electronic voice disguise.

    I originally developed the technology of voice morphing, the technology by which it is possible to make someone seem to say something they did not say and coined the phrase. Therefore, I know what would have been required to create such bogus calls. Practical considerations preclude making counterfeit telephone calls in this situation. For example, it is necessary to have samples of the voices of the people to be imitated.
    Dr George Papcun PhD

    It seems rather straightforward to assume the discussion about the use of voice disguise in Alt Media has been very consciously constructed around the faulty concept of “voice morphing” thus astutely circumventing a proper reflection on voice deception.

    This must of course be a coincidence, because if it is not – it would mean that many Truthers work hard to avoid reasonable discussion about Voice Disguise… Sometimes it is not as much what is said about “voice morphing” that illustrates the importance of voice deception in the Alt Media, but rather how much that is left out of the discussion.

    The above video about the skills of a trained voice impressionist clearly goes to show that technology is not in any way needed in order for trained individuals to impersonate multiple characters to an incredibly consistent result. If the voice of James Gandolfini came to our attention in another setting like on the radio as a guest – we would all be hard-pressed to detect such well rehearsed voice impressions to be fake.

    Celebrities Impersonating Other Celebrities
    Graham Norton Show – 18 Jan 2017 – 08:21 (mm:ss)
    •Voice training is a basic skill for actors and musicians – and probably Intelligence field operators as well, especially if they are destined for conspiracy theory radio and podcasting

    It is easy to understand how the advent of conspiracy culture over the airways from its origin would lead the intelligence community to closely investigate, use and encourage mastery of everything voice related. And clearly, as any aspiring intelligence operative undergoes training, voice training and orator skills clearly would be fundamental for any covert Truther training course.

    *Dr George Papcun also analyzed Michael Jackson songs posthumously for Vera Serova’s 2014 lawsuit proving forgery (article)

    in reply to: Voice Disguise Deception #856640

    But the “fake”Fakeologist “former” member may be contacted directly if you follow this amusing reigniting the embers of the alleged voice morphing outrage at LRF and join up there [unless you already are…] Pay especial attention to post #543 from field operative Ozzy Bin Oswald.

    Never been a member or followed Let’s Roll Forums (LRF) so the discussion you (Xileffilex) reference is new to me and quite lenghty as well (63 pages). In this forum thread it is both Simon Shack and Psyopticon that are questionned about their legitimacy – the inference being Psyopticon is suck puppet (fake persona) writing in Simon Shack’s interests, and that Simon Shack is intel through his family connections with Bin Laden & Kissinger.

    Regarding Clues Forum, my opinion is expressed in the K Shooting thread (here) and i’m not surprised others would come to similar positions about Simon Shack and Clues Forum. What is a bit difficult to understand for me in your comment (Xileffilex) is what your opinion of Psyopticon really is, and where you (Xileffilex) stand on the use of Voice Disguise in general, and in the particular case of Psyopticon ?

    Overall, the topic of Psyopticon being genuine or not takes us quite some time back, and when we combine the voice effects present in the Fakeologist 2014 Audiochat, Kham’s expert Psyopticon video testimony and LRF connecting Psyopticon to writing in the interest of Clues Forum – things become rather complex and at no point makes any of the involved parties look particularly genuine…

    As stated above, i’m not familiar with the topics and intrigue raised via Let’s Roll Forum and understand it is BS Staveley’s former radio co-host Phil Jayhan who is in charge for that outlet*. For those who really are familiar with this outlet and its inter-relations with known characters on this site, it would helpful and necessesary that they do spend some effort explaing the context for their references, and if possible what their opinion is.

    *regarding Jahan’s claim-to-fame (imo), the hollow WTC tower pictures are misleading and probably not of the actual building but of the model. The reason for this is the lack of shadow casued by the massive size of the bearing metal beams (drawings). In architecture, such glitches of transparency as in LRF imagery always are present in a scale-model which results in dissappointing rates of transparency in the real world. Same goes today for 3d images where glass is see-through from every angle in renders, whereas in reality glass is much more versatile on large surfaces and changing angles, distances. Architects used to draw glass as all black, transcribing how glass really is the opposite of transparant in natural daylight

    in reply to: Voice Disguise Deception #856635

    OK, the voice does sound different in that small clip, but so what? We have hours of Psyopticon chats available, so I’m not quite clear about what is meant by fake, past member [Psyopticon]

    By calling Psyopticon a fake, past Fakeologist member*, the intent was to highlight what to my knowledge is a “known case” of Voice Disguise where a majority of Fakeologists seem to agree Psyopticon purposefully did alter his voice, as his slip-up from the clip above illustrates. The Psyopticon “affair” therefore effectively should qualify as a case of Voice Disguise, and the author (Psyopticon) therefore would not be a genuine FAK member – thereby the use of “fake” above.

    From your comment (Xileffilex) it is not really clear to me whether your opinion is that Psyopticon did alter his voice or not. If your opinion is that he did not disguise his voice, then of course his particular example will not be very appropriate, so it might be helpful you clarify your stance on the Psyopticon voice disguise “scandal” – if he did alter his voice purposefully or not.

    What is rather important here, is to be clear about the fact voice disguise is quite easy to perform and very purposeful for active intelligence field operators who would need to conceal their real identity. The benefits of using voice disguise to play multiple characters in many misinformation and gatekeeping efforts is also very evident, and that professional agents would possess the voice disguise training and equipment required. So it is not really that older cases like Psyopticon is of vital importance, it is the principle of voice disguise itself that is of the essence – and to be clear about where one stands on this issue as a principle is of importance.

    The members that participate in debate around the various suspect cases brought up recently clearly would behave deceptively if they did not make it clear they oppose the very idea that voice disguise is part of Psychological warfare and used by intelligence. Unfortunately – those who dismiss every occurence of audio likeness all seem to fall into the ‘always-negative’ category, thereby hoping to appear openminded as they in reality are not.

    Making it clear whether we agree Voice Disguise is used or not in AltMedia is therefore important.

    *i am not aware whether Evil Edna acknowledges being former FAK member Psyopticon or not, and unsure what of what importance this might be (not seen much contribution from EE lately)

    in reply to: Voice Disguise Deception #856628

    BTW, do I now understand correctly that it is now an historical fact that Psyopticon used voice morphing on his seven hour call with, inter alia PShea, where he obviously was impersonating himself mid-call, LOL!?

    Your reference to Psyopticon goes to show how we must assume that technology such as electronic voice disguise is indeed used and present even at this platform : in this case as a fake, past member.

    What is unfortunate even today is how the focus remains on isolated cases and that discussion is replaced with a sterile debate between haters and proponents of the use of voice disguise.

    For instance – if Psyopticon used a voice changer in any professional capacity – why did it slip up? Any decent voice modifying intel operator would use a system where the modulated voice is hard-fed into the computer from an independent audio-mixer – hence no chance of any slip-up.

    Regarding Calcified Lies – why does he use a contrived example to make his case ? And why is the sound tweaked in his video to the point where Originalstimulant’s voice is not recognizable ? And why laugh if you are making a serious claim ?

    I’m not buying either of the above stories or characters and find their contribution to gain better understanding of voice disguise rather counterproductive.

    First point here is the induced belief one needs a Darth Vader capable piece of software to alter voice – this is quite misleading. The best voice disguise is made from very subtle changes, such as speaking fast or slow, emphasizing certain words or not and the like. And just simply tuning your mic settings for bass & treble.

    Only by altering these basic speech constituents input one will already have quite a different impression of who’s speaking. If you in addition use a mechanical tool such as a nose-clip, mouth-piece or a tight neck-band you are very close already to being someone else. Now – combine these techniques with voice impression training and a decent sound-engineer and it is already quite clear the sky is the limit for making phony “natural” voices. No chipmunk voice software needed.

    So if we just can agree how both technology and techniques are clearly able to alter our perception of a person’s “natural” voice consistently – only at this point will there be any meaning in questionning who imitates what character and for what reason. Of course, if all Truthers are genuine and there are no paid intel operators actively working to deceive us, then motivation clearly would be lacking in a no-paid-shills-world.

    On the other hand, if we do not believe Alex Jones, Jim Fetzer, Brian BS and friends are anything else than paid actors playing their roles, then we might consider the advantages of being able to make up fake voices and characters in order to fill the large cast of characters that the contrived Truther community really demands. Are all Jim Fetzer’s 500+ guests played by different actors using their single, unique natural voice ? Could one of Henrik Palmgren’s 780+ guests actually have been played by the same actor with a slightly modified voice & accent ?

    Normally, all the above should lend itself for intelligible discussion among like-minded researchers on this site, but no such dialogue can seemingly be held on Fakeologist today as every participant seek to polarize their position – with the end result of no advances made for any better insight or wider perspective. Unfortunately – fallacies and derailing has become commonplace on Fakeologist and bullies are left unchallenged in command with their reprehensive behavior and biased, navel-gazing perspective*.

    *it is quite hard to make a difference between bully-like behaviour & discouraging any type of new research, and what is referred to as “gatekeeping”. Thenagain, in this case it is probably “voicekeeping”. Still, this all overlaps pretty well, and i’m reminded of how gatekeeping might be the second biggest intel-activity after false information…

    in reply to: Voice Disguise Deception #856626

    Who started this nonsense?

    Great to see Tom Dalpra closely following every forum topic i’m engaged in. And yet more constructive, supportive remarks ! Many factually solid points have been made by Tom Dalpra lately. All backed by serious research and verifiable sources.

    “ I have learned silence from the talkative, toleration from the intolerant, and kindness from the unkind; yet strange, I am ungrateful to these teachers. â€ť
    Kahlil Gibran

    There has been more focus on voice disguise on Fakeologist since mid-November* with several new voice disguise comparisons and suspect cases having come into question. Many suspect cases have also been brought up before (Bobby Kendall, Psyopticon) while information and research on voice forensics and voice modification technology has been scarce – this topic excepted (first post mid-September).

    Not surprisingly, the suspect cases of voice disguise have brought the most reactions, not the factual research topic itself. This is unfortunate in my view, as there is not really any doubt about the presence of neither voice altering technology and techniques nor that factual cases testify to the use of both non-electronic and electronic voice modulation & disguise presently and historically.

    In reality, nobody denies Voice Disguise and voice modulation technology is factually effective and widely professionally implemented. Not to mention it has become the standard in the music recording industry (Auto-Tune).

    So why is Voice Disguise research is labeled “nonsense” when in fact it is easily verifiable ? The technology is efficient, widely used and also deployed without informing the public in several well proven cases (article).

    Maybe the opponents to any mention or reference to these powerful technologies simply are unfamiliar with the facts. Or worse – such critical super skeptics involuntarily engage in wishful thinking : the existence of an invisible barrier and moral contract in alternative media of the non-transfer and non-use of any voice modulation technology presently and historically used in music, film and acting. Akin the Antarctic Treaty System, this might really help genuine research…

    Unfortunately, fact-inhibition and wishful thinking are not the only reasons there is unwarranted resistance to conducting intelligible research about voice disguise. If there is no invisible barrier contract that exclude voice disguise and voice modulation from use in the alternative media, then such techniques could actually be in use, despite the fact nobody admit to using such technology.

    This would mean – oh my – that alternative media could very well use any or all such voice effects without the public being aware… The motive behind vilifying voice disguise research in this case would thereby be of deceptive nature, and made to protect both the privacy and credibility of those who rely upon such artefacts as voice disguise. But surely, intelligence operatives would not be that deceptive as to use existing, reliable technology to their advantage and purpose of misinforming the public..

    Sure, a fake Truther might release 150 two-hour radio shows each year, but they would never think of bringing on a scripted character with a disguised voice in order to gatekeep a topic like 9/11 with something like a fake testimony. That would be crazy and utter nonsense – Jim Fetzer is who says he is, and so are all his 500+ guests (article).

    Bill Clinton – I did not have sexual relations with that woman
    victortest89 – 31 Jan 2015 – 00:08 (mm:ss) – 112K views

    Considering we do know there are indeed intel agents infiltrating even our neck of the woods at Fakeologist (i.e. AA MoreIs, A Carrion, K Hammad recently) then it is even more important we consider facts moreso than speculation. So, despite the efforts made to start this forum thread and writing about this issue on my blog (article) – few fellow researchers so far have contributed with factual information in the topic, while many engage superficially with unsupported opinion.

    As a music professional, Tom Dalpra would normally familiar with the inner workings and professional possibilities of modifying voice – both with studio technology, advanced sampling techniques and voice training. Not only does Tom Dalpra not contribute with any of his music industry knowledge or experience, he jumps right onto the subjective side of the minute speculation this thread contains so far (Dante/Markus Allen) – leaving all the facts and forensics behind.

    The amount of speculation in this thread represents only a minute part of the topic of voice disguise as a whole. So far, much more hearsay is brought up for discussion that ignore the valid basis for this research in order to cherry-pick and strawman-attack the few sensationalist opinions there are about the use of human and electronic voice disguise.

    I’m quite open to giving my opinion and be proven wrong with better arguments, more precise voice analysis and better voice-prints, but this does not change the existence of and wide use of voice modifying technology. To ignore the fact voice modulation is part of the basic broadcasting sound engineer’s skillset is a major obstacle to intelligent discussion, as is the fact 95+ percent of alternative media is produced by the same henchmen who gave us the MSM (mainstream media) where no technology is left untouched in order to decieve us.

    Bin Laden Releases Audio Tape, Wants Aid Relief
    Associated Press – 1 Oct 2010 – 00:53 (mm:ss) – 11K views

    But of course, Truthers are too truthful for using voice disguise and invent false, scripted characters…

    *the new focus on voice disguise has closely followed a series of audiochats released between the 15-25th November 2018 (FAC511 – FAC515)

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