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Tom – thanks for the Bradford diversion and your analysis. What you wrote above re:Hillsborough is spot on:
Anyone that was there can say they witnessed it. But what did they really witness?
The real business and witnessing goes on among the emergencey services, pathologists, doctors and coroners and government. Anyone who has deeply studied the Boston Marathon fake event will know how deeply involved all these equivalent US agencies were in that hoax. Aided by the collaborative MSM and their tame photographers anxious to make a buck with their staged photos to bolster the narratve.
So, to finish on Bradford.
All the deaths would have been registered straight after the inquest in July 1985. That means everybody would have been identified. Or was it a bulk inquest, as with 7/7?Since the fire spread throughout the stand, one would be interested to know the location of these deaths, where the alleged remains were found.[think those suspiciously detailed maps of the 7/7 bus seating arrangements….] The key moment to bring across the message of deaths is the “burning man” – who burns, then vanishes. Watching the grainy footage of the area of the stand which caught fire seems to indicate that that area was cleared as people made their way onto the pitch to escape the admittedly unpredictable event.
What to believe? I have no idea.
I would have to dig out contemporary hard copy newspaper reports to see if any deaths or injuries or names of the missing emerged quickly. And also surivors’ stories, disfigurements, skin grafts, that kind of thing.
A couple of links – this one very recent, March 14 2014
http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/11062795.Valley_Parade_honour_for_burns_unit_pioneer_surgeon/after the fire Prof Sharpe and his team began treating the wounded.
They operated on about 25 people that first day, and 80 patients needed skin grafts that week.WHo were they?
…that 2011 appeal, said Prof Sharpe, would allow the unit to continue for another five to ten years. It was kicked off by City’s co-director Mark Lawn and the then-manager Stuart McCall in August 2009, and was run by the club’s operations director David Baldwin.
McCall’s dad, Andy, was injured in the fire.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3929974
Treatment of burns casualties after fire at Bradford City football ground.
Br Med J (Clin Res Ed). 1985 Oct 5;291(6500):945-8.
Sharpe DT, Roberts AH, Barclay TL, Dickson WA, Settle JA, Crockett DJ, Mossad MG.On 11 May 1985 the main stand of Bradford City Football Club caught fire. Within four minutes the stand was alight from end to end. Fifty three people were burnt to death and about 250 injured; 83 required admission to hospital, and 55 of these were treated by primary excision of their burns and skin grafting. In such disasters the help of staff from other hospitals and areas is essential. Patients should be assessed to see whether they have burns that will ultimately be fatal; if they have they should not be sent to regional burns units, where they would take up beds that could be used for patients with treatable burns. All districts should ensure that their plans for accidents in which burns injuries predominate are adequate.
Article with images here:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1417209/The man on fire must have been known to Sharpe. Why isn’t this iconic [sorry to overuse the word] figure identified anywhere?
Had to post this….I was looking for any mention of McPhersons without the legalistic sounding “Gordon Stuart McPherson”, certainly not what his mates would have called him:
And here, 25th anniversary as usual,
http://www.royston-crow.co.uk/news/royston_man_s_memories_of_fire_disaster_1_303059A ROYSTON man who lost his sister and brother-in-law in the Bradford stadium fire has made an emotional journey to attend a memorial service.
Robert Winspeare of Weston Avenue, Royston, travelled north to Bradford on Tuesday to take part in a ceremony which marked the 25th anniversary of the disaster, in which 56 people, including Mr Winspeare’s sister Irene McPherson, and her husband Gordon, died.
Mr Winspeare said: “Irene didn’t even like football, and neither did Gordon. They weren’t fans, and as far as I know that was the only match she had ever been to.
“Because Bradford had just won the title they were giving away a lot of free tickets, and Irene and Gordon received two.
“They thought it was an opportunity not to be missed to celebrate with the fans. Unfortunately they were in the wrong place at the wrong time.”
As the pair weren’t football fans, Mr Winspeare wasn’t initially aware that they were involved in the fire.
How many other people in block G were not football fans? Were they there? How were they identified? I am astonished.
Note: a boy who died also had the unusal name of Winspear[e]
Funnily enough I was just reading about Mr Fletcher in another piece in the Guardian by a well respected writer [also by me], David Conn
http://www.theguardian.com/football/david-conn-inside-sport-blog/2010/may/12/bradford-fire-david-conn
12 May 2010The official inquiry by a high court judge, Mr Justice Popplewell, heard forensic evidence that the fire, at the final game of the season for a sparkling young side who had already won promotion from the old Third Division, was caused by the “accidental lighting of debris” under the stand. A discarded match, cigarette or pipe tobacco from a spectator smoking above was identified as the likely cause, but the accumulation of rubbish itself became a symbol of football’s widespread mismanagement.
The police officer responsible for searching the debris of the burnt-out stand told Popplewell he found litter which had been there for years, including a 1968 copy of the local newspaper, the Telegraph and Argus.
So,56 people are burnt to a cinder yet newspapers survive to be read. I am getting that 9/11 passport feeling already.
The inquest into the deaths, in July 1985, relied on the same evidence presented to Popplewell. The coroner, James Turnbull, advised the jury that a verdict of misadventure, not accidental death, would mean the fire could have been foreseen and action taken to avoid it.
“It crossed my mind to consider manslaughter,”…..
After the misadventure verdict, test cases were brought against the club and council for negligence, by David Britton, a police sergeant injured working heroically to save spectators’ lives, and by Susan Fletcher, who lost her husband John, 11-year-old son Andrew, John’s brother Peter and his father Edmond in the fire. On 23 February 1987 Sir Joseph Cantley found the club and the county council, by then abolished, respectively two-thirds and one-third responsible.
Martin Fletcher, Susan’s other son, was 12 when he lost his father, brother, uncle and grandfather to the Bradford fire, but survived himself. Now a chartered accountant, with an MA from Warwick University and postgraduate diploma in law, he has extensively studied the processes which followed the fire, and its surrounding circumstances.
“The club at the time took no actual responsibility for its actions and nobody has ever really been held accountable for the level of negligence which took place,” he argues now. “It was appalling that public money was given to the club while it was still owned by the same shareholders under whose direction the fire had happened…….The only reason I feel my family did not die in vain is the pioneering research work for victims by Bradford University’s plastic surgery and burns research unit, which continues to this day.”
It would be interesting to research old newspapers from 1985 to read about the injured, the burns injuries and the emergence of the 56 names.
Most of the recent discussion is second hand, influence by news reports,rather than first hand witnessing. An interesting comment here:
jonrover:
I regard myself very fortunate I wasn’t in that fire on that fateful 11th May 1985 as my old man left it too late to get some tickets. My school pals and twin brothers Richard and Robert Ormondroyd and their father perished in the fire, and I still sometimes think that it could easily have been me and my old man.The thing that really upsets a lot of Bradfordians is the fact Stafford Higginbottom the Chairman, wasn’t charged with the death of those 56 people. Many still believe it was a timed device that started the fire but went off too early, so they could redevelop the ground with the insurance money.
idler
I live in Bradford and know lots of City fans but have never heard that story (timed device) before. I’ll ask my mate while I’m out for a pint,he’s barely missed a game home or away in years.
The stand was going to be demolished at the end of that season so I don’t see a link. More than one of Stafford Hegginbotham’s businesses allegedly had problems with fire, that probably led a lot of people putting 2 and 2 together. The other thing is someone supposedly told a policeman in the stand there was a fire underneath but was told to sit down.
Later some crisp packets were found that survived the fire and were years old, showing how rubbish had slipped under and built up.One of those who died had been at our house on the Wdnesday giving us a quote for double glazing. He was telling us how is life was improving as after his divorce he’d met a nice young lady. He was one of those trapped near the locked door at the back of the stand,only identified by his car keys.
and another interesting one there:
Sandy Lane
Slightly off topic, and not to diminish this thread, but I live in NY, and my company lost 9 people in 9/11 and every so often I’ll talk to some of the people who were there and also other friends who worked in the towers, and their thoughts and feelings are similar. Unsurprisingly, a lot of them are just not the same any more.
There will always be people who are accidentally involved in drills and hoaxes who are not part of the script/main actors. Their job and instinct will be to run like hell. The fire did look fierce and unpredictable but my impression was that everybody seemed to be evacuating forward and out onto the pitch – the most sensible thing to do.
Here is the list of 56 dead:
http://bradfordcityfire.co.uk/2012/09/20/the-56-who-died-at-the-bradford-city-fire/The comments on all the posts on that FB site are mainly general – so far I can’t find anyone who mentions being related, apart from Firth, aged 86, quote in the son.
Several bring up the Birmingham incidentHere’s a story from 25 years later, the 3 members of the Greenwood famly:
http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/8157762.Mum_tells_of_trauma_of_losing_husband_and_two_sons_in_City_fire_disaster/Hazel [Greenwood] did establish a group to help the multiply bereaved, but it was short-lived.
She sees her daughter, Jessica, 33, regularly, and gets great pleasure from spending time with her nine-year-old grandaughter, Poppy.
One more:
Gerald, Robert Richard ORMONDROYD
ORMONDROYD Gerald, Robert and Richard Died together, May 11, 1985. The happy hours we once enjoyed, How sweet their memory still, But losing you has left a space, This world can never fill. With all our love from Janet, Diane and Sarah. xxx
All the deaths seem to have been registered….
I would think there would be a lot of reports of bad injuries, burns, scars, people who recovered… etc. What might a ratio of survival to deceased be? People were said to have been trapped behind locked turnstiles….where are the reports from the other side of the turnstiles? Screams? Photos from the road behind the stand?
Radio Commentary here:
“we’re taking a break… where were they commenting from? directly opposite? ”
There’s a Reddit thread about it here, linking to a better quality video – http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/1lipoi/stadium_becomes_engulfed_in_flames_within_minutes/?sort=top
All the comments are based on the official narrative which is not supported by any images.
Link to video here:
WHere did the burning man go to on the pitch, though? He’s surrounded by a crowd of beaters, then everybody seems to leave, including beaten man.
One comment:…apparently that death was due to injuries sustained from people trying to ‘beat’ out the flames.
Sun newspaper reproduced the next day:
Click to access the-sun-newspaper-13-05-85_sml.pdf
..those lost [not certified dead, I add] 70 people feared dead..like the policewoman who lost her husband and two sons.schoolgirl Moira Hodgson, 15, who served tea in the stand kiosk [born 12 May 1970, by inference]…86 year old Sam Firth, a former Bradford player…doctors are still struggling to identify many of the the 52 charred bodies recovered from the stand..and the 18 or so unaccounted for ar probably people literally burned to cinders..
I think someone working in a crematorium might find this improbable.
three policemen are among the 47 seriously injured still in hospital And 12 patients were still fightng for their lives last night
Publican Kenneth Walker said “A policeman came down the aisle and said ‘I can see smoke, it’s nothing. We have sent for a fire extinguisher But just as a precaution, could you move to the back of the stand?
This is insane.
“People around me were amazed They had no idea the stand was ablaze”
Police appealed for any fans who took pictures of the horror to turn over their film….they also quizzed spectators about what they saw..”
Hmmmm.
Life long Bradford City fan Peter Halroyd,41, said,”If you looked through the holes in the floorboards, you could see loads of litter built up over the years”
cf Kings Cross escalator fire…
Police have heard from eye-witnesses athat a number of flares had earlier been thrown in another part of the ground….Assistant Chief Constable John Domaille appealed for all fans who were in the block [G] to come forward…
The Sun Says….the emergency services..They were magnificent. All of them.
Standard “drill” line.
More links at this site…
http://bradfordcityfire.co.uk/category/news-reports/There were still many, many people trapped inside the ground.
Dave Hustler was one of them, and was awarded a medal for bravery for his actions that day.
“I got to the corner of the stand and heard a voice – a man lying against the wall was on fire. I picked him up and threw him over the wall and then managed to dive over,” he said.
“By this point I was throwing my clothes off as they were burning into my body. He was a 17-year-old boy who had lost his crutches. I was the last person to make it over the wall.”
Professor David Sharpe had been a consultant plastic surgeon for six months when he had to deal with what, at the time, was the worst burns disaster in British history.
As dozens of victims began arriving, he realised he had to go back to Valley Parade to try and work out how he might begin to treat them.
“It was absolutely dreadful, a bit like something out of Dante’s inferno – the wreck of a stand smoking and smouldering, police officers looking for body parts. It was utterly gruesome.”
He saw 258 people who needed treatment in the weeks afterwards and was eventually awarded an OBE in recognition of the pioneering work he carried out, which has improved treatment of burns around the world.
[May 1 2010]
You’re right, Tom – no mention of “burning man” anywhere
Official version from the FB:
The first call to this incident was received by the fire brigade from police control, the time being logged at 15.43. An initial attendance of three pumping appliances and a turntable ladder was immediately despatched. The first appliance arrived at 15.47. The officer in charge was confronted by the sight of the 70 year old main stand fully engulfed in flames and severely smoke logged. He immediately made pumps 5 as he arrived, then two minutes later at 15.49 he made pumps 8.
So many people were burned that a message was sent requesting “as many ambulances as possible” followed at 16.22 with make pumps 12. Six jets were used bringing the fire under control and to save the grounds offices, changing rooms and club. The stop message was sent at 20.06, at which time 40 supporters were known to have died and over 200 others taken to hospital. The toll was to rise to 56, the eldest of which was 86 and the youngest 11.
Nice work, Tom. What about the policeman in a head lock from a bushy haired beardie in dark blue top at around 4.30? Cop makes a dramatic recovery. And what happens to burning man? He just vanishes. Total psy-op, decades ahead of the Boston Marathon. Fake deaths too.. What next?
Indeed, comment #2 here from 29 December 2013:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/e-cigarette-dangers-fire-chiefs-warning-2949094The image is ludicrous.
http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2948275.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/E-cigarette-Explosion-2948275.jpgYeah,that burning man was the key image at Bradford. Also, the area around the fire looked rather empty when it first started. Some alleged witnesses from an article at spook central:
he chairman of the football club, Mr Stafford Heginbotham, was near to tears as he explained what had happened. ‘The fire just spread along the length of the stand in seconds. The smoke was choking. We couldn’t breathe. It was to be our day,’ he said.
Superintendent Barry Osborne, divisional commander for the football club area, who was injured in the fire said that many policemen cried when they saw how badly people had been burned.
He saw smoke coming from a small area of the stand and thought that someone had let off a flare. ‘The smoke was very, very dense. I ran to the stand and tried to help people escape. The flames suddenly appeared and the whole roof took alight,’ he said.
People were clambering over the wall on to the ground with their clothes and hair on fire. The heat inside the stand literally ignited people where they stood.
One elderly man started to walk across the pitch with his clothes and face ablaze. People pushed him to the ground and tried to smother the flames. One man in tears said: ‘He looked as if he was just going for a stroll. He was completely on fire and it looked as though he simply did not know what had happened to him.’
Mr Stefan Krolak, a survivor from Bradford , said he saw the smoke start a few seats away from him ‘The smoke seemed suddenly to set on fire. People were falling on to each other and screaming.
‘They did not have a chance. Tarpaulin fell on them and stuck to their clothes and then ignited. I saw one man lying on the ground, burning from head to foot. There was hardly anything left of him.’
One woman was seen running around the ground with no skin on her arms and face. She was hysterical and trying to find her three children. The team’s coach, Mr Terry Yorath, ran on to the pitch to try to help people away from the stand. ‘It is the worst day in my life. The whole fire seemed to erupt in seconds,’ he said.
Mr Antony Burrows said: ‘One man was stood near me with his hair on fire. There were no fire extinguishers. I had to put my jumper over his hair to put the blaze out.’
Sports reporters covering the game also spoke of the disaster. Mr Tony Delahunte, who was presenting a programme from the ground for Pennine Radio, said ‘The fire seemed to me to start with a smoke bomb. I saw a group of people around the smoke laughing. Then the flames and smoke were all over the place.’
Mr Delahunte was screaming into his microphone describing the scene until it became impossible to continue broadcasting. His face was burned and his car, which he had parked outside the ground, was destroyed.
:
ww.theguardian.com/theguardian/1985/may/13/fromthearchive[extracts] Now, go back to the video and see how these stories tie in. Or not.
I am astonished how little attention is paid to the destruction depicted in the very few photos of Lockerbie available.
http://fakeologist.wordpress.com/2013/07/03/twa-flight-800-passenger-list/ ab sad
a July 3, 2013 at 9:32 pmSo do you think the big ones, like Lockerbie, Swissair, and Air India were fake? I agree, with the military media’s cooperation, anything can be done easily, especially if the plane crash is staged over water. Who can verify anything then?
Which brings me to this site:
http://plane-truth.com/pan_am_103.htm
which identifies a fact/image which today would shout out staged event:
This photograph is of the remains of the Boeing 747-100’s Section 41 that landed 4.5 miles from the main wreckage on Lockerbie, at a little Scottish village called Tundergarth. This part of the wreckage was the nearest to the Heathrow airport from where it had left. Why would the nose be the first piece to land if a bomb blew a hole in the fuselage in front part of the plane called Section 42, which is located behind Section 41?
In the next second or so after the initial event, we know that Section 41 separated from Section 42 as it landed in Tundergarth, whereas the main part of the remainder of the debris landed on Lockerbie, some 4-1/2 miles away.
Since the fragment exited the plane in the initial event and because of the fact that the plane was moving at 550 mph, one should expect the fragment to be closer to the departure point – Heathrow – than Section 41. Depending on the direction and strength of the wind it should be possible to determine how close to Section 41 the fragment should have been. Interestingly enough, if the wind was from the NW, the fragment should be even closer to the departure point than Section 41 as Section 41 would have been less influenced by the wind in its fall.
Once I have obtained more details about the location of the fragments, I believe it will be possible to write a convincing paper to demonstrate whether or not the fragment could possibly have been where it was found.
For some unknown reason, Section 41 was stored at Roger Windley’s junkyard in Tattershall, Lincolnshire, U.K. I tried to visit the site to obtain samples of the metal for analysis and was refused. The main fuselage and wings were all stored at Farnborough, Surrey, U.K. where an attempt was made to reconstruct the plane in order to analyze what had happened when the IED exploded.
I think this says enough to me that perhaps section 41 was placed at the farm.
There are some online debris scatter plots, but I see no reason to believe their truthfulness
[Local government officer Donald Bogie] . His daughter won a scholarship to Syracuse University which lost 35 students in the explosion.
http://plane-truth.com/Aoude/geocities/ramsden98.html
How come?
http://archives.syr.edu/panam/lockerbie/As a result of the Pan Am tragedy, Syracuse University maintains a strong bond with Lockerbie, Scotland and its people. A number of SU faculty and staff have visited Lockerbie, and together SU and the Lockerbie Trust offer an annual scholarship for two students from Lockerbie to study at Syracuse University. The collection of Lockerbie, Scotland materials reflects this special relationship between Syracuse University and Lockerbie.
Materials donated by members of the Lockerbie Community and also by first responders involved in the search and recovery efforts and the following criminal investigation may be found here.
THis is the response to all the links:
Collections and Personal Papers
Lockerbie Collection: Donald T. Bogie PapersDonald T. Bogie was instrumental in the early phases of design for the Arlington Memorial Cairn, which was given by the people of Lockerbie to the U.S. families.
This collection is being processed. If you would like a copy of the current collection index please email the Archivist at pa103archives@syr.edu
For example:
George White was a paramedic in Lockerbie in 1988. George is retired and has since moved to the U.S.
Moved to the US – just like that…
Dr. Ivan Gibson was a pathologist working on the Pan Am 103 air disaster. He had previously worked in Canada and also in Northern Ireland, where he accumulated some experience with trauma cases.
Jane Gibson was a radiographer working at the Dumfries Royal Infirmary in 1988. Jane and her colleagues were called upon after the disaster and worked for nearly three weeks, outside the bounds of their normal duties. Jane was also a resident of Lockerbie, Scotland and lived with the tragedy daily.
Colin Dorrance was a probationary officer with the Dumfries and Galloway in 1988; he was only 18 years old. Colin is a graduate of Lockerbie Academy and was in the town for a party on December 21, 1988 and was one of the first officers on the scene following the crash . Colin is currently a Sergeant with Police Scotland.and so it goes on.
But what about the images/video?Lockerbie – Syracuse scholarship info and recipients here:
http://lockerbieacademy.com/index.php/information-for-parents/item/syracuse-scholarship.htmlEach year, two students are given the opportunity to attend Syracuse University for one academic year. This scholarship was created in memory of those who lost their lives, both in Lockerbie and from Syracuse University (New York State, USA), in the 1988 Lockerbie Air Disaster. Syracuse University and the Lockerbie/ Syracuse Scholarship Trust meet the basic costs of their attendance jointly.
Very poor supply of images, surprisingly or perhaps unsurprisingly:
Some of those small ones are from a defunct site
http://web.archive.org/web/20010424103528/http://www.panamair.org/lockerbieimagestown.htm
, replicated here:
http://www.panamair.org/OLDSITE/lockscotimages.htmThe exploding fuel tanks left a “crater 155 feet long and 40 feet wide [aerial view about 1.00 in the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP0_ilSYnhE
body on the roof at 2.03…..I still see no evidence for a fireball, apart from burnt out cars. Subsequently 70 bodies are dug out of the ruin’s of the home of Ella Ramsden, 71 Park Place!!! Remarkable survival story [how?]
Pan Am Flight 103 | Lockerbie Disaster (Part 3)Park place, where nobody died, was where a significant part of the fuselage landed, apparently. James Startkey at #64 in his shed described the flames as like “red snow” ! Get that.
[source: Book – Elegies of Darkness by Dee Britton]LOCKERBIE, Scotland Dec 18 [1998 anniversary] (Reuters) – Ella Ramsden was left with nothing but her dog when Pan Am flight 103 obliterated her house and left 60 corpses strewn across her back garden.
http://plane-truth.com/Aoude/geocities/ramsden98.htmlThis is some way from the alleged fuel tank explosion and crater.
Some witness accounts here, from 2008,
http://www.scotsman.com/news/twenty-years-on-lockerbie-remembers-night-without-end-1-1152443
from the book An’ then the world came tae oor doorstep: Lockerbie Lives and Stories by Jill S Haldane, published by the Grimsay Press, priced 16.95.
Hmmmmm This needs looking at more closely.The video footage shows many classic psy-op ingredients we have come to recognise well
“Within about four minutes of the kick-off the crowed was spilling onto the pitch behind the Liverpool Goal” [John Motson]
“and within six minutes of the kick-off a police official decided to approach the referee, Mr Lewis, and ask for the game to be stopped”
Footage after the stoppage is mischievously intercut with action.
The rest of the images are totally unconvincing as accompanyment to the official narrative.
In the “rare footage” from RTE at 6.50 it is absurd for the referee to be allowing play to continue. And what about 2 minutes previously when the crowd was spilling onto the pitch? There is a linesman at each end…
For comparison Bradford City fire 1985
This one’s a total waste of time. As Tom says, a media created circus from start to finish, wherever that might be. Press the ignore button. A few photos here..
http://sexyfotomodels.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/reeva-steenkamp.html
Excuse me, I have to vomit. Oscar, show me how it’s done….Update April 10 2014
“Seven-year-old’s father remains in hospital in a stable condition, “having suffered considerable nerve damage that is badly affecting his mobility”“his mother has been discharged,”
“It is also hoped to generate funds for Zane’s funeral, which cannot take place until an inquest has been held”
[total nonsense, cf the Peaches Geldof wild goose chase, where the body was released even before an inquest was opened and adjourned, highly unusual also. Opening an inquest and adjourning will allow burial]
“It also said that carbon monoxide poisoning, initially the subject of speculation over the cause of Zane’s death, had now been ruled out, although Surrey Police has refused to confirm this.
“It would be wrong to speculate on the cause of death at this stage.“Officers continue to provide updates to Zane’s family and Zane’s father remains in hospital in a stable condition.”
Surrey coroner’s office said a date had not yet been set for the inquest into Zane’s death”[Totally totally suspicious. Don’t let this one fall below the radar. Gofundme page (hmmmm) opened]
http://www.gofundme.com/zane-gbangbola-fund
The Get Surrey article is based on the Gofundme page opened by Louise Bishop
[Progress is slow but he is now able to walk a few short steps unaided but his rehabilitation will take many months]
Hmmmmmm Perhaps someone can try to visit him in hospital?
http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/zane-gbangbola-death—fundraising-6945575Totally weird story. But a death is officially cited. Yet, the pathologist [ unnamed: Hmmmmmm] can’t find a cause of death on the 11th Feb – like CO or Salmonella poisoning.. for example
“Surrey police confirmed” – which is less than worthless as a reliable source
http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/local-news/zane-gbangbola-post-mortem-finds-no-6701726
Feb 12 2014Two weeks later…
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/flood-victim-kye-gbangbola-remains-3175795
Kye [is that a Cameroon name?] Gbangbola
“ye Gbangbola, 48, remains in a high dependency unit as police admit it could be weeks before they know what caused the death of seven-year-old Zane.It was thought they had been overcome by carbon monoxide fumes from a pump clearing water in their home in Chertsey, Surrey.
But a postmortem examination failed to reveal what killed the schoolboy.”
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/flood-victim-kye-gbangbola-remains-3175795
CO poisoning must be one of the easiest deaths to tell from a simple blood test.. “could be weeks” indeed. What total nonsense, unless he was poisoned artificially by someone and “tests” are required from a laboratory to find out the nature of the chemical congener.
“Surrey Police confirmed: “A number of agencies are carrying out testing.””Another total nonsense. WHich agencies?
Snowden is a total fake – someone has likened him to Max Headroom [q.v.] I agree. The support given to him by the spooky Guardian newspaper, and its posh weirdo editor and Chopin virtuoso Alan “Rubinstein” Rusbridger did it for me, especially where Rubbisher went into great detail about how the security services oversaw the destruction of hard drives relating to Snowroom. Priceless. Which brings us nicely back to Duncan Campbell. The most sinister thing about the Guardian is that is a trojan horse to brainwash so-disant liberal, left leaning young professionals, who unquestioningly let the Grauniad sponsored MI6-CIA foreign policy wash over them soothingly. It would be called brainwashing if it occurred in Korea (N) for example.
Some background on the witness. I mean, THE KEY witness: Helen Ruth Doble, b 1960, who lived in the next street, to the west of Gowan Avenue, at 124 Wardo Avenue SW6 6RD She was a joint director of GoTV along with Adrian Rawle b 1950 who seems to live in Hong Kong/ Koh Samui, Thailand.
https://www.duedil.com/company/03717677/go-tv-limited/people
http://companycheck.co.uk/director/906280561
http://companycheck.co.uk/director/906280540
Tweets by gotvshowtimeGoTV closed in 2012
Roxburghe House
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W1B 2HAInteresting conjecture. At the time, I was suspicious of the Fish monger story.
Here is the official narrative:
Telegraph June 9 2008On the morning she died, Miss Dando had made breakfast for Mr Farthing at his home in Chiswick, then went shopping. Her last errand was to a local fishmongers, where a shop worker remembered her being in a “happy mood but seemed to be in a bit of a rush”.
She appeared “excited and bubbly”, the booking clerk later recalled.She drove the short distance from the shop to her home in her blue BMW convertible, but five minutes later, before she had a chance to open her front door, she was shot dead.
While she was in the shop she took a phone call from staff at the Prince Edward Theatre, confirming a booking for tickets for the musical Mamma Mia! which she had bought for Mr Farthing’s birthday.
And
http://www.murdermap.co.uk/pages/cases/case.asp?CID=907589547
Two hours earlier Jill Dando had left the home of her fiancee Dr Alan Farthing in Bedford Close, Chiswick. She was no longer living in Gowan Avenue and had put it on the market. Her visit there was apparently only to refill the paper in her fax machine or pick up mail.
On her journey there she visited a BP garage on Great West Road, the King’s Mall shopping centre in Hammersmith (to buy a fax machine cartridge from Dixons and fax paper from Ryman’s), and Copes Seafood Company in Fulham Road (two fillets of Dover Sole). CCTV cameras showed she left the fishmonger’s at 11.26am. There was no indication she was being followed.
Image:
http://www.murdermap.co.uk/assets_cm/files/Image/jill_dando_shopping.jpgStraight away, this feels like a concocted story.
[Copes Seafood 778 Fulham Road SW6]
Most suspicious, witnesses are just that – “witnesses”. Who made the phone call, saying he thought it was Jill Dando?
And can we believe this? [July 21 2013]
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jill-dando-murder-witness-comes-2071046So, is the CCTV fake/features lookalike?
The other key witness is Helen Doble, who also “worked in television”.
Her story is here
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-45333/Dando-trial-Friend-Jill-slumped-outside-home.html
The story seems totally concocted again…why would Doble expect to see Dando when she no longer lived there. That’s just for starters..
“I was making the call, looking at this terrible scene. I needed some confirmation. Gowan Avenue was deserted.”What a load of rubbish.
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