Hello. New guy here

[S-Frog]

Lots of good photos and evidence here.

I've spent much time in this 911 bog myself, concluding that it is an endless piece of fiction written to do exactly what it wants you to do: to get you to spend the rest of your life trying to figure it out, when in fact it can never be figured out, as hundreds of layers of fictional traps were pre set for you to step into. So that you never ever get to work on "Yourself." Getting you to look outwards instead of inwards. This concept gains more clarity if you take the stance that it wasn't written or designed by something sentient.

The same thing with JFK: on a topic of absolutely no importance (a president, just a puppet actor), there's been 10,000 books written about the assassination, and trillions of living beings hours spent wasted away on trying to figure out something that isn't figurable out, and at its base means absolutely nothing to one's essence here. When in fact no one died.

I left the events of 911 a few years ago, content with my own conclusions that the totality of what actually occurred means nothing to me other than it was used to implement heinous rights violations from the "Patriot Act," the creation of TSA and "Homeland Security," and the further rights violations of innocent people in foreign lands. All based on a fictional tale where 3 empty buildings were control-demolitioned.

[napoleon]

sit tight matey as soon as a fakeologist gets into the audios things will change ,p.s. i solved jfk and 911 and traced the rosicrucian wizard back to declaration night

and welcome

[Jerms9654]

I know you might think I'm going on. But at the time I visited the towers, I always thought the lift setup was crazy, so when I heard the suggestion there might be significantly less floors, there was just something about it that sits with me. Particularly when Judy Wood came along with energy weapons to explain the lack of debris relating to floors.

Anyway, I'll probably end up moving this thread to the 911 section. It's been a useful chat for me, because it's got me thinking about stuff I hadn't considered before now.

So youre saying there are no staircases coming from the floors above and emptying into the lobby? I know thats where my friend was because thats where the FDNY command center was.

[rachel]

Don't think I'm trying to prove you wrong. At first I was sceptical about the whole 'no one died' claim, because even if we go with the planes were fake and the buildings were demolished in the usual way, there's always a chance people who were not part of it got caught up, like the emergency services, office workers from the surrounding buildings and sightseers. But looking at the planes as a plot device, they were used to allow the Port Authority to evacuate the surrounding areas before the controlled demolition. The media used throughout to create a false narrative.

It's just the more I look at the buildings and the evidence that supposedly supports their occupancy, the more of a hole I find. I think the only real people using the space were "artists", and they were happy to keep the towers' secrets to themselves. This might all feel like a stretch, but it's not like the towers would be alone in being seemingly pointless structures.


Blackpool Tower

If we consider the Eiffel Tower as the base design, we can see the skylobby locations kind of match. I've also been up that, there are three stages at which there are platforms. There are stairs for the first and second stages, but only a lift to the top area. See also, there is a fourth platform half way between the second and top, but that's not accessible to the public.


Eiffel Tower

The building blueprints for sale tell us of three floors at the skylobby locations. I think it's curious that the plan is designed in this way. What makes these floors special to highlight and not other ones? I think we can guess.



That then matches the Eiffel Tower. So there seems to be a set of floors in these locations. Other levels might have had mezzanine sections, the clue to their design being the Lobby area.

This then gives the E-Team guy an excuse to have that climbing harness on inside the building. Someone looked up the information on one of the boxes and found a reference to fuse holders. If they rigged the building, then they would want to find a way to get people out of the area before they brought them down. Hence, the planes.

[Jerms9654]

I definitely dont think you are trying to prove me wrong at all. Im very curious and i am learning stuff here. You and this site do have me questioning what i thought i knew and i am definitely going to ask my two good friends more questions about that day. I just listened to Phil and Gemma O do a podcast about the towers being empty. Very interesting stuff where Phil says he thinks the FDNY was in on it. I would love to ask him if he thinks it was just the chiefs and higher ups (very possible) or if he thinks the whole dept knew.
The issues im having trouble overcoming are these:
1. I saw jumpers with my own eyes. (In person not on TV)
2.I worked for years withguys who personally knew other firefighters that died that day. Pretty much everyone who was on the job in 2001 knew someone who was no longer around. Where did they go?
3.My very close friend rescued someone that day. Ive known him since childhood and know for sure he is a firefighter and not some crisis actor. He is also a guy i would trust with my life.
These pictures you are showing me of the ETeam are very suspicious and i think they were for sure up to no good—but im not at the empty building conclusion just yet. Not that i cant get there tho. Im still just starting my dive into this.

[rachel]

This is where you can help. I wouldn't go making accusations with your friends, see what they want to tell you about that day. From my own experience working for a big organisation, people have enough on their own plate to know what's going on much outside their own specialism. So likely they were not in the loop. Even if they did work in the building, specific lifts only went to specific floors, and as an employee of a business, you'd only be going to the floor you were on. You'd assume all the other floors were there, but maybe they weren't.

I'm going to put some of the pictures I've found in one of the other threads, they don't look convincing that the office space was an active work environment. You'd think given the iconic location and the number of people who we are told worked there over the years, there should be some compelling evidence of active offices available.

Regarding deaths outside the claimed work employees, I don't know. I don't make a claim either way. If we think of it in terms of a controlled demolition, then the likelihood is the port authorities would aim to minimise deaths. But there comes a point when it's outside of their control what happens next. In short, you'll have a better idea about the state of play after the towers came down, the emergency services responses, and the people who went missing.

[PetraL]

1. I saw jumpers with my own eyes. (In person not on TV)
2.I worked for years withguys who personally knew other firefighters that died that day. Pretty much everyone who was on the job in 2001 knew someone who was no longer around. Where did they go?
3.My very close friend rescued someone that day. Ive known him since childhood and know for sure he is a firefighter and not some crisis actor. He is also a guy i would trust with my life.

1. There's candid footage where we see "something" falling to the ground. When you say you saw jumpers with your own eyes how do you know what you saw wasn't dummies?
2. Firefighters would know other firefighters who allegedly died that day - not all the firefighters would have been in on it, however, some obviously were so the ones who weren't in on it would have thought the ones who allegedly died really did - that's a mean thing to do to people it really is. The 118 testimonies by firefighters are full of nonsensicalities and not one of them refers to any of the alleged 343 firefighters who died. Also, very anomalously there's no recordings of these testimonies.
https://petraliverani.substack.com/p/no ... irefighter
3. 9/11 was a "live" exercise so there would have been an element of reality about the events of the day. We don't know exactly how they arranged everything but they probably sent firefighters into the buildings and up to the floors where the fires were to do "real" rescues of the people in the buildings.

[PetraL]

I left the events of 911 a few years ago, content with my own conclusions that the totality of what actually occurred means nothing to me other than it was used to implement heinous rights violations from the "Patriot Act," the creation of TSA and "Homeland Security," and the further rights violations of innocent people in foreign lands. All based on a fictional tale where 3 empty buildings were control-demolitioned.

To my mind what you understand about 9/11 is perfectly sufficient except we can take that understanding and see it as a perfect blueprint for one of the two kinds of propaganda strategy they use.

If we divide the population roughly into 90% believers of the authorities / 10% disbelievers we have a kind of 90 / 10 rule.

Simple psyop
Propaganda is simply targeted to the 90% allowing 10% to disbelieve (eg, Sandy Hook and mass shootings generally, Manchester bombing, etc)

Complex psyop (false dilemma)
--- Story A for 90%
--- Story B for 10% (with multiple streams to bamboozle and fragment)
Reality C - something else

When I cottoned onto the False Dilemma strategy for 9/11 I then thought, "Hmm, so what about these other recognised "false flags" such as Pearl Harbour, 1980 Bologna Station bombing, post 9/11 anthrax attacks." And sure enough. It took me a little longer for JFK but now I'm so much more alert to how they target the 10% as well as the 90% constantly.

I worked out that Operation Northwoods was a completely fabricated "false flag" proposal - seemingly it was fabricated years in advance to be pulled out in 1998, not so long before 9/11 to act as propaganda to make the 10% think, "Oh those in power will kill people in their false flags." Of course, they're killing thousands, millions? with the jab and other protocols but when they do their "false flags" they don't kill people because it doesn't suit them in those events.
https://petraliverani.substack.com/p/op ... g-proposal

The other thing I learnt from 9/11 is that in psyops they simply do what they want for real and fake the rest ... and why on earth wouldn't they do exactly that? They want to make it all about magician's tricks and mind control, not doing things for real or even simulating reality all that well (as is obvious with the Revelation of the Method that is always employed) - it's all about trickery and mind control.

[PetraL]

So you think what i saw werent actual people jumping? That it was some type of special effect? Its possible but ive never actually considered something like that.
Do you not believe the US government is evil enough to blow up buildings with actual people in it?

I don't think they had to use special effects they could have just thrown dummies out - but it could have been special effects. As I said in another comment, in candid footage (or what definitely seems like candid footage) we see "something" flying down. As it was a "live" exercise people were being evacuated "for real" and stuff was going on in there before they came down so no reason not to throw out dummies.

Of course, the government is evil enough to kill people - no testimony greater is needed that what is going on now but they kill people when it suits them. Basic rule of thumb: when they tell you they're killing people they're saving them and when they tell you they're saving them ...

[napoleon]

1-lots of people gather in and around a church ,the emphasis seems to be on a woman in a white dress and the people are smiling

thats a ceremony called a wedding

2-lots of people gather in and around a church ,the emphasis is on a box and the people are crying

thats a ceremony called a funeral


figure out the ceremony of 911 or to be more exact figure out why you were shown what you were shown on 911 and you solved 911,let me know when you want to identify what 911 was

p.s. welcome