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This is the page I got that floor level picture from. It's a conversation, so how accurate I don't know. But it's about the mechanical floors. I've read in multiple places that the skylobbies were on floors 44 and 78. The fact there seems to be such an argument about what actual numbers the skylobbies were on does lean to the supposition it doesn't matter because they were never based on a reality of the actual real floors in the building.

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Hello all, I just finished reading through this entire thread and have really enjoyed it. Especially the construction pictures and pictures before battery park city was built. I've been obsessed with the twin towers since I first saw them as a child in the early 90's. On that trip I went up to the observation deck for the first time of three the last being late July 2001. I've always read alot about the way they were constructed and love seeing pictures of the inside of the towers particularly places the tourist never got to see. I have always been intrigued by the stairwells and remember asking a security guard in july 2001 if I could go and look at one, hoping to look all the way up haha. I stayed with some friends at the Marriott world financial center that weekend and spent much time taking those massive towers in. I had no idea it would be my last time seeing them. And its still weird to think that they don't exist anymore. And of the destruction and loss of life that happened there a month later. I've seen the new wtc1 several times up close and although a beautiful building, its just not even close to the precense of the twins. One thing I did want to mention , several people have talked about the darker bands that were at the thirds of the buildings as being where the mechanical floors were? I always thought that these were the sky lobbies at floors 44 and 78? I'm almost positive I read that somewhere. Because there were definitely Windows in those darker areas. I just think the aluminum column covers were a bit narrower to give it that appearance, much like at the tops of the towers. Also if anyone has more pictures of random places inside the towers I'd love to see them! Thanks Nick
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The mechanical floors were on 7 (top of the tridents), 40, 73 and 105. The sky lobbies were one floor above the mechanical floors, at 41 and 74. The mechanical floors were specially designed and reinforced and had a total height of 26 feet, more than double the typical floor height of 12 feet. The sky lobbies were also slightly taller at 14 feet. The mechanical floors were where the bands could be seen.
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Ahhhhh ok so those bands were the mechanical floor and sky lobby combined that makes sense. Thanks for explaining that I always wondered how the sky lobbies could be so tall when in pictures they looked pretty normal.
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The black bands are only the mechanical floors. They had vents instead of windows. The sky lobby was actually just above. Check out this photo which you can see it a lot clearer:

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The sky lobbies had regular office space outside of the expanded transfer lobbies.
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rachel wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:16 pm And then above it, on the Skylobby of 1WTC, there is two hairdressers and the Skydive restaurant, again giving the feeling of activity. I'm wondering if the there was an escalator between 43 and 44. I read there was internal stairs between two of the floors, I can't remember which, but it would make sense the Skydive restaurant was integral to the bookable meeting rooms, that's where you'd go for lunch. So you get the express lift up to 44 and then use an escalator to get to 43 from 44. I'll see if I can find confirmation of that.
Why on earth would they design a building in which you had to go all the way to the bottom from above floors 43/4 then take a local elevator back up to those levels? [as per earlier post] The elevator diagrams seem to suggest that's what happened.
A little information here


A comment takes us to a shot of the 43rd floor Port Authority restaurant in the linked video @4m55s
Carl Selinger must have had to take the lift from the 65th [allegedly] down to the ground floor then back up....


see also

some good links and comments there
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Yes, I read about escalators between two of the floors, and we see a set of escalators between 43 and 44 on 1WTC.

I've highlighted them in orange. I'm guessing based on the direction of the escalators, the Oval Room is more likely to be situated in the area at the top that is cut off on the floor 43 plan, though I guess it might also be in the lower area that's missing.

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If all the floors really existed, it's a curious design feature; because other than ground (and getting onto the roof of 2WTC), I'm under the impression from what I read, it is the only place in the two buildings that had escalators between floors.
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More bumph from a forum about services around the towers, nothing new listed as per this list. A little more information about the Oval Room.

Some information from the old WTC web site, amenities included if you were a tenent at he complex...

MEETING AND EXHIBIT SPACES
The Oval Room which is conveniently located on the 43rd floor of One World Trade Center is available for rental on a full or partial day basis. Comprised of an oval-shaped main room that can be divided into three separate, smaller rooms and an adjacent outer reception area, it lends itself to a variety of functions. Equipped with multi-media capabilities, this space is suitable for audio-visual presentations, seminars, and product displays. Capacities range from 35 to 250 persons, depending on event. Contact Nancy Gonzales at 212.435.3444.

The Windows on the World has over 18,000 square feet of the most dramatic private dinning rooms in New York City. A series of banquet and meeting rooms provides a myriad of choices for every special occasion -- all equipped with up-to-the minute audio-visual technology. It can accommodate everything from a private party for 12 to a seated dinner for 600, or a reception for 1000. Call 212.524.7000.

The New York Marriott World Trade Center Hotel offers over 26,000 square feet of flexible function space for business and social events. The meeting facilities include an 8,160 square foot ballroom and 14 suites. Call 212.938.9100 for more information.

For trade shows and larger events, you'll find the Mezzanine the ideal setting. Boasting 54-foot ceilings and arched windows, the mezzanine delivers over 12,000 spacious square feet of exhibition space. Contact Patricia Mescall at 212.266.6137.

The World Trade Institute of Pace University located on the 55th Floor of One World Trade Center offers meeting and seminar rooms that can accommodate 10 to 255 people with writing tables for note taking. Call 212.346.1177.

The Austin J. Tobin Plaza, joining One and Two World Trade Center, is ideal for large, outdoor events. Contact Lila Speciner at 212.435.5224.

EDUCATIONAL/TRAINING SERVICES
Located in One World Trade Center, The World Trade Institute of Pace University offers seminars covering international trade and logistics as well as transportation and legal issues. The World Trade Institute's School of International Trade and Commerce conducts job-oriented courses in international business. The Institute, through its Language Center, provides language training in 10 languages on a regular basis, as well as additional languages upon request. Translation services are provided upon request. Call 212.346.1177

MEDICAL/DENTAL SERVICES
Two private medical providers, Affiliated Physicians at Five World Trade Center, (212.938.1188) and Dr. Tadasu Tokumaru at One World Trade, (212.775.1218) are available on site. The World Trade Center Dental Group at Five World Trade Center, (212.466.0088) provides dental care.

CHILDREN'S DISCOVERY CENTER
The Children's Discovery Center, located at Five World Trade Center, offers childcare programs, from infant through second grade, year round. The Center accepts children for as long as ten hours a day, five days a week and is open from 7:30 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. Pre-scheduled back-up or drop-in care is available upon request. The Center is accredited by the National Association for the Education of Young Children. Contact Charlene Melville at 212.432.6806.

FITNESS CENTER
Connected to the World Trade Center complex, The New York Marriott World Trade Center Hotel offers a fully equipped health club -- the Fitness Center. Facilities include an indoor pool, indoor jogging track, racquetball court, saunas, and masseuse and exercise equipment. It occupies the entire 22nd floor of this luxury hotel and is open to public membership. Call 212.938.9100 for information.

RESTAURANTS AND SHOPS
Tenants can take advantage of over 80 stores, restaurants and eateries on site.

AIRLINE COUNTERS
Ticketing agents of American Airlines (800.433.7300), Continental Airlines (212.319.9494), Delta Airlines (800.221.1212), United (800.241.6522) and U.S. Airways (800.428.4322) maintain counters on the mezzanine of Five World Trade Center. Olympia Trails (212.964.6233 or 908.354.3330) maintains a ticketing counter and runs airport express shuttles between the World Trade Center and Newark International Airport. Buses depart and drop off at One World Trade Center on West Street approximately every 30 minutes.

POSTAL AND COURIER SERVICES
A U.S. Postal Service (212.967.8585) counter and representatives of several courier services including DHL Worldwide Express (212.775.0844), United Parcel Service (800.PICKUP) and Federal Express (800.463.3339) are conveniently located on the mezzanine level of Five World Trade Center.

BANKING AND BROKERAGE SERVICES
Full-service banks and ATMs as well as brokerages are located within the complex. They include Chase, Citibank, HSBC and Charles Schwab.

DISCOUNT THEATER TICKETS - TKTS
TKTS offers discount tickets to many current Broadway and Off-Broadway shows. Tickets are available, for cash or traveler's checks only, at a discount of 25% to 50%. At the World Trade Center TKTS booth, tickets can be purchased for shows held on the same day and for next-day matinees as well. TKTS is open on the Mezzanine of Two World Trade Center, Monday through Friday from 11 a.m. to 5:30 p.m. On Saturday, it's open from 11 a.m. to 3:30 p.m.

TOP OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER OBSERVATORIES The Top of the World Observatories on the 107th floor of Two World Trade Center are a mini-theme-park-in-the-sky. Attractions and amenities include a theater that simulates a helicopter flight above the city, telescopes, multi-lingual information video monitors, food courts and gift shops. At 1,377 feet above street level, the Observatories' rooftop promenade is the world's highest outdoor viewing platform. Top of the World is open every day from 9:30 a.m. to 9:30 p.m. For information, call 212-323-2340.
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Strange that there's no apparent restaurant or cafe half way up WTC2 for "all those thousands of workers." [cf the Port Authority and SkyDive establishments on 43/44 in WTC1]
https://www.navasotaexaminer.com/articl ... 62nd-floor
This obvious fantasist seems to recall one on the 44th of WTC2.... during his almost 2.5 year sojurn [alleged] with Dean Witter on the 62nd floor from 1990-1993? How could he get so mixed up? [lol!]
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rachel wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:04 pm 58th Floor, Two World Trade Center [South Tower], circa 1999. By Jeff Lanka

So further to Jeff Lanka taking photos from floor 58 of 2WTC in 1999, we have a couple of photos uploaded by an Andy Blair, of his dad taken on floor 58 of 1WTC, April 1974. I wonder why he puts "near his office" in the description?
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Dad and my sister on the 58th floor near his office in the North Tower of the World Trade Center on "Bring your kids to work day". April 1974. New York
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I'm actually wondering if it's not a 'spot the difference' game. So Andy's dad's company buys its furniture second hand from thrift stores, because none of the chairs match in the office. Interestingly enough, neither do the lights or the tables from each picture. But he is wearing exactly the same clothes in both.

And it looks like the guy in the background has a time machine, because he's managed to photobomb the 1974 and 1999 photos from each tower.

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All very 'Goodnight Sweetheart'.
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I've got a couple of videos of pictures allegedly inside the towers. How many thousands of people worked there at a time? From The World Trade Center Facts and Figures, "50,000 people worked in the Twin Towers", and the towers were working spaces for over 30 years. So let's watch the myriad of images of work colleagues taking pictures of each other celebrating things like birthdays, Christmas...

Just a note, the first video is 2:22 minutes in length, and the second video 3:30 minutes. Why didn't the creator just put them together and make a 5:52 minute video? ...I think we know why.


Pictures - Inside the Twin Towers (WTC) - Part 1


Pictures - Inside the Twin Towers (WTC) - Part 2



I'll pull a few choice images out in the next couple of posts, but you'll see the same office photos I've already covered are in the videos. So let's start with this one and the nonsensical labelling. I'm pretty sure a poster in the thread I reference earlier said they walked past this sign daily when they worked at the tower. But to be fair, it might be a different picture, it's only with me having a better understanding of the internal layout does the problems with this one hit me in the face.

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We are told in multiple places the Skylobbies were on floors 44 and 78, and the floor 44 factoid is backed-up by it being where the Skydive Restaurant in 1 WTC was situated. And also by actual floor plans posted up earlier in this thread. But we do have a know-it-all contrarian that assures us the Skylobbies were actually on levels 41 and 74. And then we have the new architects diagram on the first post of this thread that disagrees with both, and puts them at 43 and 77...maybe because it now seems ridiculous that people had to get the elevator up to floor 44, then an escalator down to floor 43 if they were using the bookable 'Oval Room' in 1 WTC...yet the plans tell us the escalator was there, together with a local set of stairs between the two floors. I've also subsequently found out there was another escalator on the opposite side of floor 44 going to floor 45.

If I blow up the plan showing how the elevators worked, we basically have a set of three 36 floor buildings on top of each other, that would give us a notional 108 story building. Interesting then the skylobbies are not actually on floors 36 and 72, which would even out distribution of floors the elevators served.

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What we see from the diagram; we basically have ground and mezzanine levels that is six to eight stories in height. Does this mean the next floor up starts at two, or does it start at floor nine, and that's why we have the first Skylobby at floor 44 ( 36+8=44 ). Anyway, we have the express elevators that take people to the Skylobbies, the "ground levels" of whichever one of the three notional buildings a person works in; and then there are local elevators which go to a set of floors within that "building". So for example, if there are four elevators, each one would serve no more than nine floors of those notional 36 floors. I can confirm when I went up 2 WTC, this approximated what the lift operator told us about how the elevators work. Though at the time, he said there was no direct elevator to the Observation Deck. We can see the express elevator on the left of the diagram must not have been working, and instead, they used the express elevator on the right side that only went as high as floor 78. All of this fits with the idea this was a fully working building.

That photo though has the text "Lobby - Concourse Level - Elevator", and the picture showing the numbers '77 > 110'. First of all, from the Lobby, one would either get the express elevator to the Skylobbies on either floor 44 or floor 78, or one would get the local elevators, and they would not go any higher than floor 43. ...This is, if the lifts conform to the theory. So we disregard the labelling, because it's wrong. But what about floor 77? ...If the Skylobby is on floor 78, we would expect the label to be '79 > 110'... But we also know the top level for the elevators was floor 107, not 110; which was notionally the roof platform level...but does not look to ever have been stated as such on the signage around 2 WTC when the buildings were active.

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There was no direct elevator to the roof anyway, instead there were a set of two escalators which took the visitors from floor 107 to the roof level on 2 WTC. And if we are instead talking about 1 WTC, there was the Windows on the World restaurant on floor 107, the top floor, and no access beyond this point for visitors. This means in that photo, the label should state "Floor 78 Skylobby" and the numbers should be '79 > 107', if we are to believe everything we have been told about the buildings.
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These next couple of pictures look genuine. I can confirm the Skyloby that is said to have existed on floor 78 of 2 WTC was there, because when I visited the building we had to switch elevators on that floor. As I've mentioned, we had a lift operator controlling the elevators, and very much like Aaron Dover states in his witness testimony, though I have very vague memories, it was set up in such a way that we were led directly to the second elevator that took us from the Skyloby to the Observation Deck...I seem to remember it was waiting for us, so we were led out of the first elevator directly into the second one while the operator continued his prepared talk.

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In my example I stated, "if there are four elevators, each one would serve no more than nine floors of those notional 36 floors". We see on the second image, an elevator labelled with '101 - 107'; if this is real, which I suspect it is, it identifies 107 correctly as the top floor. It also gives a range of six floors for each elevator to serve, other than that of the Skyloby floor. This is consistent with there being six elevators serving those notional 36 floors, each local elevator going to six floors only.

Given the idea each elevator only served around six floors, it would be surprisingly easy for nothing to be happening in large sections of the building, and no one who actually worked there, or used the building regularly having a clue.

I mentioned in a different thread I'd found floor plans for floor 45 and floor 49. Floor 49 is within 'six-floors' of floor 44; and if we include floor 43, which technically should be part of the ground floor range, but which was likely included in that particular 'local-lift' range, we have the 'seven-floors' we imagine the '101 - 107' elevator was also designed to cover.

I'll copy the 45 floor section of the other post here to keep a copy in the correct thread.
rachel wrote: Sat Mar 02, 2024 1:08 am This is somewhat interesting. In looking at some of the archive WTC building work, I came across a couple of floor plans from 1 WTC floors 45 and 49. Looking at 49, it's generic, no details, just areas labelled as office or conference room, but floor 45 is quite different. It has companies listed on the plans, and If we think about this in relation to other known floors in 1 WTC, we have the Skylobby on floor 44, and this includes the Skydive Restaurant and two hairdressers. I suspect the hairdressers were specifically chosen because it's a slow process, so there are always bound to be people there; and I bet both has glass windows so people could look in as they passed. On floor 43 there is the Port Authority offices and the hireable 'Oval Room' conference area. There are escalators between floors 43 and 44, and we find out on this plan, there are also escalators shown on 45, I'm guessing going down to the Skydive Restaurant on floor 44. So I'm somewhat confident floor 45 was also a real place.

https://archive.org/details/NIST_FOIA_1 ... /scan0008/
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And indeed, checking the plan of floor 44, we see there is another set of escalators on the opposite side of the building to the ones seen going to floor 43, and these are between floors 44 and 45.

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If I go back to floor 44 for an overview, I'll pick out both sets of escalators. This is the only floor with two escalators and also stated in one of the descriptions, 'local stairs'. Floor 43 does not have a similar escalator to floor 42, neither does floor 45 have a similar escalator to floor 46. This, for me, is a notable design feature of 1 WTC, these two floors being specifically connected to the Skydive restaurant floor by escalators.

I've also picked out the stairs I can see, I don't know which ones continue down the entire height of the building to a fire exit, but we should expect there would be two sets, that's the usual safety regulations, so the bottom pair look favourable being out of the way and towards the outer part of the building. We have a 'transfer lobby', I'm not sure what that is, maybe the express lifts for the general public, so they can visit restaurant and hair-dresses. We then have the main corridor with the local elevators in banks of six and from another diagram I'll post up, two banks of express elevators in a row on the main corridor, that's probably what we see in the photo.

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Again, here's the link to the PDF archive of building works files. We see on this particular page link, the kitchen area on floor 44 is at the bottom and the 'Gourmet Food Centre' is to the right of the building, shaded.

https://archive.org/details/NIST_FOIA_1 ... /PA402818/
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some great posts rachel so much detail thankuverymuchly
the amount of detail you and others give on the twin towers floor plan layouts, and planes and construction led me to daydream a little story....

bit of a timetravel ditty moreso ,maybe a twilight zone or tails of the unexpected ,but here it is

a truther like us with all the research gets sent back to prior 911 ,but with all his efforts they only end up accepting his evidence of planning it ,and he ends up being the reason it happened ,the financial profits were enough to convince them to make the same push options with specific companies ,they even use his camera footage clips which had fake planes in and all the other fraudulent evidence given to us over the years

a daydream fills gaps that i didnt even talk of but i would watch that film

just shows ya what the mind is capable of
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As I keep saying, I'm quite a norman normie, and one of the things that bugs me is we have the real practical world we live in our daily lives...going to work, making dinner, shopping, doing the washing, etc, etc,...and then there is this world of freemasonry, numberwang, fallen angels, celebrities doing one eye symbols, politicians learning lines so the can lie to us, etc, etc,...and I don't accept they are two different worlds. So while I see your solution fits the magical trick that was performed on 911, I'm still interested in how it fits with norman normie land, particularly because I went there, I have pictures off the top.

Aaron Dover made a claim there were no floors in the towers, then dies in a ridiculous way. That suggests to me he was always part of the bread and circuses attraction. He fits nearer to Richard D Hall because he pushes hidden advanced tech. There are reasons to think he might be right, there are reasons to think he's pushing the same old nothing burger. There is no evidence that currently convinces me battery powered anything will take over the world. So I'm looking for a more mundane reason why the decision was taken to demolish the towers; and I think I begin to see one...next post.
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