Was Hitler funded by big business?

[SaiGirl]

It was a crucial moment in the history of World War II. The signing of the Non-Aggression {act between the USSR and Nazi Germany was happening in Moscow in 1939.
German Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop and Soviet Foreign Minister Vyacheslav Molotov signed the treaty. Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin was also present.
Interestingly, Adolph Hitler sent a personal delegate with a specific mission to the conference. Incredibly, the Fuhrer's delegate’s mission was to photograph the ears of Joseph Stalin. The delegate was Heinrich Hoffmann, Hitler’s official photographer.

[SaiGirl]

Der Fuehrer's Face

by Spike Jones and His City Slickers (1942)

When der fuehrer says we is de master race
We heil heil right in der fueher's face
Not to love der fuehrer is a great disgrace
So we heil heil right in der fuehrer's face

When Herr Goebbels says we own the world and space
We heil heil right in Herr Goebbels' face
When Herr Goring says they'll never bomb this place
We heil heil right in Herr Goring's face
Are we not he supermen Aryan pure supermen
Ja we are the supermen (super duper supermen)
Is this Nazi land so good
Would you leave it if you could
Ja this Nazi land is good
We would leave it if we could
We bring the world to order
Heil Hitler's world to order
Everyone of foreign race
Will love der fuehrer's face
When we bring to the world this order




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Here's some newer, more critical work on Hitler:

[SaiGirl]

On 18 September 1931, a 23-year-old woman was found dead in a sumptuous nine-room Munich apartment, a single shot wound into her heart. Her name was Geli Raubal, the apartment was rented to Adolf Hitler, and the young woman happened to be Hitler’s niece. Cause of death – suicide. Naturally.

Geli Raubal was the daughter of Hitler’s half sister, Angela. Angela and Adolf grew up together; both products of the same father, Alois Hitler, and his second and third wives respectively.
Geli began working as the dictator’s housekeeper when she was just 19 and formed a close bond with Hitler. The pair are then rumored to have embarked on a love affair after she became entranced by his celebrity status. Hitler also formed a strong bond with Geli, and became infatuated by her beauty.

But as Hitler’s power grew, his influence over Geli’s life became overpowering. She was forced to follow the “Furher” on all trips and banned for seeing friends and family. After he discovered her relationship with his chauffuer, Emil Maurice, he was fired on the spot and Geli effectively became a prisoner in her own home.

Then after an alleged heated argument, Geli was found dead in her bedroom. The Nazi party claimed she had committed suicide and quickly took her body out of Berlin and buried her in Vienna. But now historians strongly believe Hitler murdered his niece following a failed incestuous relationship, after a picture of a tomb painted by Hitler showed her resting place.

No suicide note was ever found and injuries were found on Geli’s corpse. After he death, Hitler became depressed and declared she was the only woman he ever loved, keeping her bedroom exactly as she left it.

https://www.vintag.es/2018/02/geli-raubal.html

[SaiGirl]

A 6.35-mm revolver was at Geli Raubal's side when she was found dead. The Walther pistol, like the luxury apartment, belonged to Nazi Party leader Adolf Hitler, uncle of the deceased. Munich police quickly ruled her death a suicide. But a scrappy newspaper grew suspicious; this, of course, was the Munich Post.

The Munich Post infuriated Hitler with its publications in 1932 regarding the death of his half niece Geli Raubal. The Post raised questions on the nature of Hitler’s relationship to this attractive half-niece and about his role in her death. Geli Raubal was perhaps the one and only woman Hitler was ever emotionally dependent on. She lived with him in his flat in Munich, and whether their relationship was sexual is not proven, but such speculations are popular. The Munich Post printed that the day before her death, she and Hitler engaged in a heated argument over her moving to Vienna. The Post also suggested that at the time of her death, her nose was broken, because of this argument or perhaps another quarrel with Hitler. This accusation brought Hitler close to the brink of shooting himself, according to several associates who were with him at the time. According to Hitler’s attorney, Hans Frank, whom he dispatched to threaten the Post with a lawsuit over its Geli Raubal coverage, Hitler was moaning that “he could not look at a paper any more, the terrible smear campaign would kill him.”

The Munich Post was on its way to destruction once and for all when Hitler officially became the Reich Chancellor on January 30, 1933. With this appointment, Germany would never be the same.
At Hitler’s appointment, General Ludendorff warned Reich President Hindenburg, “I solemnly prophesy that this accursed man will cast our Reich into the abyss and bring our nation to inconceivable misery. Future generations will damn you in your grave for what you have done.”
The Munich Post agreed with Ludendorff, and continued to fight its battle against Hitler.

In January 1933, the Post published a continuing chronicle of one individual murder to epitomize the acts of the death squads under Hitler’s commands. He was not the typical victim, as he was not anti-Hitler, but his death gave a clear example of how far Hitler’s power had extended. Herbert Hentsch was a teenage Nazi recruit who was murdered by SA thugs for an alleged deviation from party discipline. The Post claimed his executioners were shouting “Heil Hitler” as they beat him to death. The headline for a report on the murder read “What Have You Done Hitler?” Followed were reports of the “political murder summary: eighteen dead and thirty-four badly wounded in death squad attacks.” In February they continued to run such headlines and reports as “Nazi Party Hands Dripping with Blood” and “Germany Today: No Day without Death.”

The Post continued to fight on futilely against the onrushing strength of Hitler’s party until March 9, 1933, when the Nazis banned the last opposition papers still publishing. In all parts of Germany, including Chemitz, Muenster, Magdeburg, and Munich, all Socialist newspapers’ buildings were taken over.
The Munich Post offices were turned over to an SA squad to pillage. They gutted it completely, dumping trays of broken type onto the streets. Furniture was thrown out the windows, and copies of the newspaper were again burned in the middle of the street. Although the police witnessed this destruction, they “simply stood by in the street and looked on while the SA wrecked the offices.”[70] The writers and editors were dragged away to imprisonment in concentration camps. That was the end of the Munich Post. Its battle against Hitler and the Nazis had been lost.

https://mynews13.com/fl/orlando/ap-onli ... the-people

They were suppressed along with all papers opposed to the NSDAP.

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[pasterno]

On 18 September 1931, a 23-year-old woman was found dead in a sumptuous nine-room Munich apartment, a single shot wound into her heart. Her name was Geli Raubal, the apartment was rented to Adolf Hitler, and the young woman happened to be Hitler’s niece. Cause of death – suicide. Naturally.

Geli Raubal was the daughter of Hitler’s half sister, Angela. Angela and Adolf grew up together; both products of the same father, Alois Hitler, and his second and third wives respectively.
Geli began working as the dictator’s housekeeper when she was just 19 and formed a close bond with Hitler. The pair are then rumored to have embarked on a love affair after she became entranced by his celebrity status. Hitler also formed a strong bond with Geli, and became infatuated by her beauty.

But as Hitler’s power grew, his influence over Geli’s life became overpowering. She was forced to follow the “Furher” on all trips and banned for seeing friends and family. After he discovered her relationship with his chauffuer, Emil Maurice, he was fired on the spot and Geli effectively became a prisoner in her own home.

Then after an alleged heated argument, Geli was found dead in her bedroom. The Nazi party claimed she had committed suicide and quickly took her body out of Berlin and buried her in Vienna. But now historians strongly believe Hitler murdered his niece following a failed incestuous relationship, after a picture of a tomb painted by Hitler showed her resting place.

No suicide note was ever found and injuries were found on Geli’s corpse. After he death, Hitler became depressed and declared she was the only woman he ever loved, keeping her bedroom exactly as she left it.

https://www.vintag.es/2018/02/geli-raubal.html

I think you are blind to American propaganda Lynn, like Phil is blind to German propaganda.

Here you are like little kids both choose your sides; "Who's the bad guy?"

The grand story entered the world on Feb 4 1943 in the NY Times.



Before that it was a minor story in German newspapers in 1931. In some regional newspapers. (not the large ones)

September 20. Adolf Hitler’s niece, Geli Raubal, who had been living for two years on the same floor as Hitler himself but in a neighboring apartment, has committed suicide. The act is believed to have been carried out on Friday afternoon, shortly after Hitler had departed for Erlangen. The owner of the apartment heard a muffled scream but did not think much of it. In the evening, when there was no activity in the room, suspicions arose, and the girl was found lifeless on the floor, holding a firearm in her hand. Her mother, a stepsister of Hitler who lives in Berchtesgaden, has since arrived in Munich.

SO what happens here? Is this already propaganda? This was Germany in the Weimar Republic in 1931. The german article already hints at a connection.

We hear nothing of this story and in 1943 a US government employee "Hanfstaengl" makes up this grand story. And a mother complex insinuating murder.

That's propaganda. That's BS. Fantasy.

You must agree with that right? Or not?

[SaiGirl]

An interesting interpretation of the "Night of the Long Knives", purge of the SA ("Brownshirts") and the reported murder of Ernst Rohm and his comrades.

Which Hitler took full responsibility for, in a dramatic and historic speech to the Reichstag (and the whole world) shortly following the event.

[SaiGirl]

Here's my problem with the narrative:

Women commit suicide. But never by gunshot.
It's usually pills. Rarely by hanging.
Sometimes by shutting the doors and windows and turning on the gas.
Or by carbon monoxide "suicide" in a car.

I seriously doubt that Geli Raubi shot herself with one of his Walthers.
And especially not in the heart.
Ask the women you know what they think of suicide by gunshot in the chest?

Of course the Party bigwigs and media machine immediately acted to shut down the scandal.
With threats, intimidation and some outright "spontaneous" thuggery on the part of the SA.
Elite aristocratic elements within the NSDAP considered having Hitler briefly go into seclusion "due to health issues" to quiet things down.
Some called for him to "retire".

Hitler was too popular, charismatic and a potential melodramatic liability;
to risk a potential electoral defeat for old time conservatives;
in the coalition forming between the NSDAP and "Catholic Centre Party".
And Von Papen especially, who wanted to be Chancellor again.


But they were not yet in power. The elections were coming up.
Still, they exerted themselves mightily to "cancel" their critics.

The "Geli Raubal Suicide" scandal was covered loudly by the "Munich Post".
As were ALL scandals associated with the celebrity personalities at top of the NSDAP hierarchy.
You can still read those "Munich Post" headlines and stories in English translation; or download a German transcript and use a package to translate it.

Of course millions of Germans probably read about this scandal.
It was all over the "mainstream" German press.
And especially in the scores of periodicals and newspapers financed by the SPD
(German Social Democrats); still the largest party in Germany.


It was bigger than the coverage and promotion of Trump.

Right on up to the Nazi-Catholic coalition electoral victory.
Followed by that historically immortalized day in Feb. 1933,
when the new government torched the Reichstag (another controlled demolition probably engineered by Goering) and immediately blamed it on "communist terrorists".

The new regime then proceeded to outlaw the SPD, KPD and other opponents of the NSDAP, arrested their Reichstag reps or blocked them from voting; passed the "Enabling Act"

And one of the first newspapers they shut down was the "Munich Post".

Others soon followed.

In 1932, Hitler’s popularity in upper Bavaria was wavering. This slight drop was caused because “sensible elements felt alienated from this party because of the planned occupation of offices and posts.”[62] To impose even further anti-Hitler feelings, the Munich Post published an incriminating order from Roehm dated January 15, 1932. This command gave marching orders to the SA with a map of the various routes to be taken. The Post’s headline ran: “Ready for Civil War- the Marching Plan of the Nazis.”[63] The immediate result of the exposure of these plans was a temporary ban on the SA and SS throughout the state. Although the ban did not last, it showed that the Munich Post could and did influence the government’s decision to restrict Hitler and his associates.

The Munich Post infuriated Hitler with its publications in 1932 regarding the death of his half niece Geli Raubal. The Post raised questions on the nature of Hitler’s relationship to this attractive half-niece and about his role in her death. Geli Raubal was perhaps the one and only woman Hitler was ever emotionally dependent on. She lived with him in his flat in Munich, and whether their relationship was sexual is not proven, but such speculations are popular.[64] The Munich Post printed that the day before her death, she and Hitler engaged in a heated argument over her moving to Vienna. The Post also suggested that at the time of her death, her nose was broken, because of this argument or perhaps another quarrel with Hitler. This accusation brought Hitler close to the brink of shooting himself, according to several associates who were with him at the time. According to Hitler’s attorney, Hans Frank, whom he dispatched to threaten the Post with a lawsuit over its Geli Raubal coverage, Hitler was moaning that “he could not look at a paper any more, the terrible smear campaign would kill him.”[65]

The Munich Post was on its way to destruction once and for all when Hitler officially became the Reich Chancellor on January 30, 1933. With this appointment, Germany would never be the same.[66] At Hitler’s appointment, General Ludendorff warned Reich President Hindenburg, “I solemnly prophesy that this accursed man will cast our Reich into the abyss and bring our nation to inconceivable misery. Future generations will damn you in your grave for what you have done.”[67] The Munich Post agreed with Ludendorff, and continued to fight its battle against Hitler.

https://marcuse.faculty.history.ucsb.ed ... chPost.htm

On 18 September 1931, a 23-year-old woman was found dead in a sumptuous nine-room Munich apartment, a single shot wound into her heart. Her name was Geli Raubal, the apartment was rented to Adolf Hitler, and the young woman happened to be Hitler’s niece. Cause of death – suicide. Naturally.

Geli Raubal was the daughter of Hitler’s half sister, Angela. Angela and Adolf grew up together; both products of the same father, Alois Hitler, and his second and third wives respectively.
Geli began working as the dictator’s housekeeper when she was just 19 and formed a close bond with Hitler. The pair are then rumored to have embarked on a love affair after she became entranced by his celebrity status. Hitler also formed a strong bond with Geli, and became infatuated by her beauty.

But as Hitler’s power grew, his influence over Geli’s life became overpowering. She was forced to follow the “Furher” on all trips and banned for seeing friends and family. After he discovered her relationship with his chauffuer, Emil Maurice, he was fired on the spot and Geli effectively became a prisoner in her own home.

Then after an alleged heated argument, Geli was found dead in her bedroom. The Nazi party claimed she had committed suicide and quickly took her body out of Berlin and buried her in Vienna. But now historians strongly believe Hitler murdered his niece following a failed incestuous relationship, after a picture of a tomb painted by Hitler showed her resting place.

No suicide note was ever found and injuries were found on Geli’s corpse. After he death, Hitler became depressed and declared she was the only woman he ever loved, keeping her bedroom exactly as she left it.

https://www.vintag.es/2018/02/geli-raubal.html

I think you are blind to American propaganda Lynn, like Phil is blind to German propaganda.

Here you are like little kids both choose your sides; "Who's the bad guy?"

The grand story entered the world on Feb 4 1943 in the NY Times.



Before that it was a minor story in German newspapers in 1931. In some regional newspapers. (not the large ones)

September 20. Adolf Hitler’s niece, Geli Raubal, who had been living for two years on the same floor as Hitler himself but in a neighboring apartment, has committed suicide. The act is believed to have been carried out on Friday afternoon, shortly after Hitler had departed for Erlangen. The owner of the apartment heard a muffled scream but did not think much of it. In the evening, when there was no activity in the room, suspicions arose, and the girl was found lifeless on the floor, holding a firearm in her hand. Her mother, a stepsister of Hitler who lives in Berchtesgaden, has since arrived in Munich.

SO what happens here? Is this already propaganda? This was Germany in the Weimar Republic in 1931. The german article already hints at a connection.

We hear nothing of this story and in 1943 a US government employee "Hanfstaengl" makes up this grand story. And a mother complex insinuating murder.

That's propaganda. That's BS. Fantasy.

You must agree with that right? Or not?

[pasterno]

Here's my problem with the narrative:

Women commit suicide. But never by gunshot.
It's usually pills. Rarely by hanging.
Sometimes by shutting the doors and windows and turning on the gas.
Or by carbon monoxide "suicide" in a car.

Exactly narrative. We don't know what is true of the 1931 message in some papers (just some small regional ones). This might as well be propaganda and lies. Very likely. The weimar republic was like modern democracy, where smearing each other in normal.

I seriously doubt that Geli Raubi shot herself with one of his Walthers.
And especially not in the heart.
Ask the women you know what they think of suicide by gunshot in the chest?

Of course the Party bigwigs and media machine immediately acted to shut down the scandal.

In 1931 the weimar republic was in practice, and papers could publish all they wanted.
Hitler had 2.6% of the seats in parliament. There was no control of media by them.

With threats, intimidation and some outright "spontaneous" thuggery on the part of the SA.
Elite aristocratic elements within the NSDAP considered having Hitler briefly go into seclusion "due to health issues" to quiet things down.
Some called for him to "retire".

You're fantasizing. Sources?

Hitler was too popular, charismatic and a potential melodramatic liability;
to risk a potential electoral defeat for old time conservatives;
in the coalition forming between the NSDAP and "Catholic Centre Party".
And Von Papen especially, who wanted to be Chancellor again.

Well there were no coalitions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1930_Germ ... l_election

NSDAP had 2.6% of the votes, that's nothing. (only in 1932 new elections were held)

But they were not yet in power. The elections were coming up.
Still, they exerted themselves mightily to "cancel" their critics.

How you know?

The "Geli Raubal Suicide" scandal was covered loudly by the "Munich Post".
As were ALL scandals associated with the celebrity personalities at top of the NSDAP hierarchy.
You can still read those "Munich Post" headlines and stories in English translation; or download a German transcript and use a package to translate it.

So a political propapanda paper. Right?

Of course millions of Germans probably read about this scandal.
It was all over the "mainstream" German press.
And especially in the scores of periodicals and newspapers financed by the SPD
(German Social Democrats); still the largest party in Germany.

Exactly propaganda, smearing opponents.

It was bigger than the coverage and promotion of Trump.

I don't think so. Prove it. The archives say no:
https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibliothe ... eli+Raubal

Right on up to the Nazi-Catholic coalition electoral victory.
Followed by that historically immortalized day in Feb. 1933,
when the new government torched the Reichstag (another controlled demolition probably engineered by Goering) and immediately blamed it on "communist terrorists".

The new regime then proceeded to outlaw the SPD, KPD and other opponents of the NSDAP, arrested their Reichstag reps or blocked them from voting; passed the "Enabling Act"

And one of the first newspapers they shut down was the "Munich Post".

Others soon followed.

In 1932, Hitler’s popularity in upper Bavaria was wavering. This slight drop was caused because “sensible elements felt alienated from this party because of the planned occupation of offices and posts.”[62] To impose even further anti-Hitler feelings, the Munich Post published an incriminating order from Roehm dated January 15, 1932. This command gave marching orders to the SA with a map of the various routes to be taken. The Post’s headline ran: “Ready for Civil War- the Marching Plan of the Nazis.”[63] The immediate result of the exposure of these plans was a temporary ban on the SA and SS throughout the state. Although the ban did not last, it showed that the Munich Post could and did influence the government’s decision to restrict Hitler and his associates.

The Munich Post infuriated Hitler with its publications in 1932 regarding the death of his half niece Geli Raubal. The Post raised questions on the nature of Hitler’s relationship to this attractive half-niece and about his role in her death. Geli Raubal was perhaps the one and only woman Hitler was ever emotionally dependent on. She lived with him in his flat in Munich, and whether their relationship was sexual is not proven, but such speculations are popular.[64] The Munich Post printed that the day before her death, she and Hitler engaged in a heated argument over her moving to Vienna. The Post also suggested that at the time of her death, her nose was broken, because of this argument or perhaps another quarrel with Hitler. This accusation brought Hitler close to the brink of shooting himself, according to several associates who were with him at the time. According to Hitler’s attorney, Hans Frank, whom he dispatched to threaten the Post with a lawsuit over its Geli Raubal coverage, Hitler was moaning that “he could not look at a paper any more, the terrible smear campaign would kill him.”[65]

The Munich Post was on its way to destruction once and for all when Hitler officially became the Reich Chancellor on January 30, 1933. With this appointment, Germany would never be the same.[66] At Hitler’s appointment, General Ludendorff warned Reich President Hindenburg, “I solemnly prophesy that this accursed man will cast our Reich into the abyss and bring our nation to inconceivable misery. Future generations will damn you in your grave for what you have done.”[67] The Munich Post agreed with Ludendorff, and continued to fight its battle against Hitler.

https://marcuse.faculty.history.ucsb.ed ... chPost.htm

Sorry Lynn, but I think you're really making stuff up, and you're not interested in truth. Just "Hitler bad".

I think you are blind to American propaganda Lynn, like Phil is blind to German propaganda.

Here you are like little kids both choose your sides; "Who's the bad guy?"

The grand story entered the world on Feb 4 1943 in the NY Times.



Before that it was a minor story in German newspapers in 1931. In some regional newspapers. (not the large ones)

September 20. Adolf Hitler’s niece, Geli Raubal, who had been living for two years on the same floor as Hitler himself but in a neighboring apartment, has committed suicide. The act is believed to have been carried out on Friday afternoon, shortly after Hitler had departed for Erlangen. The owner of the apartment heard a muffled scream but did not think much of it. In the evening, when there was no activity in the room, suspicions arose, and the girl was found lifeless on the floor, holding a firearm in her hand. Her mother, a stepsister of Hitler who lives in Berchtesgaden, has since arrived in Munich.

SO what happens here? Is this already propaganda? This was Germany in the Weimar Republic in 1931. The german article already hints at a connection.

We hear nothing of this story and in 1943 a US government employee "Hanfstaengl" makes up this grand story. And a mother complex insinuating murder.

That's propaganda. That's BS. Fantasy.

You must agree with that right? Or not?

[/quote]

[SaiGirl]

The American Peace Mobilization (APM) was launched as the "Emergency Peace Mobilization" at a Chicago convention during Labor Day weekend in September 1940, a gathering attended by about 6,000 delegates.[1] The group was formed from remnants of the American League for Peace and Democracy, an anti-war organization funded by the Communist International and controlled by the Communist Party, USA which attempted to build an American–Soviet defense alliance against potential aggression in Europe by Nazi Germany. The League dissolved with the signing in 1939 of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, in which the Soviet Union and Germany pledged not to engage in military action against each other.

With the Soviets seemingly protected from Nazi Germany by the non-aggression treaty, the Soviet Union's focus turned from overt anti-Fascist militancy to "peace;" the members of the various national groups affiliated with the Comintern followed suit.


The Chicago convention adopted a platform called "Five Planks to Defend America,".[1] Its demands included:

Keep Out of War
Defeat Militarism and Regimentation
Restore the Bill of Rights
Stop War Profiteering; and
Guaranteed a Decent Living Standard for All

In conjunction with these goals, the APM was particularly active in attempting to halt military conscription, and sought to serve as a Communist-led "mass organization" that sought to bring together trade unions, student groups, women's organizations, and anti-war church organizations under one umbrella.[1]

In the midst of the London Blitz and the Battle of Britain, APM also agitated for the end of "warmonger" President Franklin Roosevelt's Lend-Lease program, and any other U.S. aid to the United Kingdom.[2] The group conducted a 1,029-hour non-stop peace demonstration in front of the White House, a protest which ironically ended on June 21, 1941—one day before the Nazis invaded the Soviet Union.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_ ... bilization

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The “Molotov-Ribbentrop Non Aggression Pact” of 1939, known colloquially as the “Hitler / Stalin Pact”, divided Poland in half, and established mutual support, trade and supply of vital war materiel from the Soviet Union to the Third Reich, in the latter’s ongoing struggle against the British Empire.
Together with Mussolini’s Italy, this was regarded as a collaboration between the “proletarian nations of Europe” (without foreign colonies) versus the “imperial powers” of Britain, France, the Netherlands, etc.

And so Party members, fellow travelers, unions and front groups associated with the CP-USA followed in lockstep accordance with their #1 priority: Unquestioning, unwavering support for the Soviet Union and Comrade Stalin. This included several unions and prominent organizations in Hollywood.

[SaiGirl]

Hollywood Stalinist Agitprop

But very graceful; artfully done and entertaining.
And with a wealth of authentic newsreel footage from the period.
You have to decide whether the authentic footage narrative is reasonably clear, fair and objective.
Which it will never be in absolute; only in relative terms.

https://ok.ru/video/1847863151151

If you enjoy this one, I’ll post a few others that entertain with polemical , biased but entertaining movies.