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A few snippets from this meta survey of "survivor" tales in the MSM [with the odd comment by the compiler
http://www.mjbarkl.com/locked.htm
"A First Hand Account By Perrito Blanco
9-11-01

"...I got to work, on the 74th floor of WTC1, at 8:00 am. At about 8:30 or so, I went to the cafeteria to get my usual coffee, milk and danish. To get to the cafe, which was on the 43rd floor, I had to go to the 44th floor and take an escalator down one floor. Returning from the cafe with my food, I entered an elevator in the bank of elevators that serviced floors 67-74.


https://web.archive.org/web/20020111171 ... saster.htm
Memories of the terrorist attack on the morning of September 11, 2001 from multiple sources known and unknown [is this fiction?]

Escape From The 80th Floor September 11, 2001

"80th floor of One World Trade Center...The doors slid open onto the 78th floor lobby and I along with other passengers moved onto the next level of elevator banks to get to floors 80 to 107. Those going to the 79th floor took an escalator.
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Just had a load of synchronicities, so let's put them in this thread. From the main blog, Ab put up this video of the 85th floor, South Tower (2 WTC), empty. It was reportedly taken on July 17, 2001.


Hollow Towers, July 17, 2001, 85th floor, South Tower, EMPTY


Not realising it, referring to the same floor, I've just created a new thread that is a placeholder for articles about businesses. I was thinking it might be easier to dump them there, then refer to them as needed using links. And the first one I put up is Harris Beach & Wilcox LLP, that just happens to have been on floor 85 of 2 WTC, so the same location as the video.

But, not only that, @xileffilex, has given us a handy link to the old blog and his thread on Fishy Firms in the Twin Towers, and here is Harris Beach listed before their new name including Wilcox LLP. From reading the Wall Street Journal article, linked above; the law firms merged in the months prior to 911, with Harris Beach moving their offices to the other firm's location. Meaning they could magically open for business six days after they apparently lost everything in the terrorist attacks.
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WTC 2 , on 85 Floor ,July 17th 2001-Harris Beach &Wilcox
22 Jun 2012
WTC 2 , on 85 Floor ,July 17th 2001-Harris Beach &Wilcox..see the asbest...and see all the cable rolls,,ar those for shape charges??

I like reading the comments...some clangers, but here's some of the better information.

@darkefoxx
Impact was at floor 77 to 85 on tower two, after it was renovated on floors 77 to 78, 88 to 89, 92, and 96 to 97. Failure began at floor 77 to 83.

While Tower one sustained damage at 93 to 99. Tower one was renovated on floors 92 to 100. Failure was at 92 to 100.

Both towers were coincidentally renovated and upgraded for fireproofing at around the same location as the impacts

Don't attack me, just stating the facts according to maintenance logs, various local newsprint sources and locations of impacts.
@Great-Documentaries
"In 2000, Harris Beach moved its New York City office to the 85th floor of the South Tower at the World Trade Center. At the time of the September 11 attacks, it was the highest floor in the impact zone where United Airlines Flight 175 had struck the tower. Most employees were evacuated but six employees—five lawyers and a construction manager (Hector Tamayo) supervising renovations—died."
Not sure, but the one who died might be the narrating. He sounds like a supervisor.

@lackedpuppet9022
He does seem to be in some sort of oversight/documentation capacity, especially considering his extensive knowledge on individual columns' and trusses' identifications, and how clear and thorough the video is. It definitely feels to me like it was taken as part of the renovation less so than as a personal project.

@ReganMason-x9y
What line of work did Harris Beach do? Ebasco Serivces had this floor along with 12 others in 1979. I worked in the 86th floor. I still miss the Towers.
@ReganMason-x9y
From 1979 to 1992 Ebasco Services, Inc. had offices on this floor. I loved working there. New York is nothihng without them.
@emmaathome2902
Extremely bad design, also building codes broken, (anybody can read that online). Not enough stairwells built for the amount of people projected to work in the towers. Stairwells with poor lightweight firewall, the distance between them was far too short, also no isolated concrete encased stairwells. Lifts virtually next to each other, really stupid idea. So many building regs broken, lives lost for the money and glory of building these monstrosities.

@jebj1
I'll sum up this big mystery for y'all - WTC was built on Port Authority of NY and NJ property. It was not built to NYC building and fire codes. It was exempt. As the years went on, they retro-fitted the building with structural fire proofing, sprinklers - yes- can you believe it!!! They only added sprinklers in the 1980's. Imagine the horror !! And after the 1st attack- they really beefed up fire protection and communications. They added a new fire alarm system, more fire proofing, seismic arrestors. I personally know the company that designed and installed the fire alarm system after the 1993 attack. Buildings, especially ones like this are constantly being upgraded, renovated, improved. Not everything is a conspiracy.
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The Differences of the Twin Towers: North vs South


Inside the Twin Towers...


RARE Photos of the Twin Towers...



Build and opening dates:
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Orientation of lift layout:
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WTC 1 - Jules Naudet video comparison

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Got some comparison shots between the Jules Naudet video, and one of a guy leaving the NYC Subway, Cortlandt Street exit.


9/11 - Jules Naudet "Higher Quality" Raw Video and Sound Clips


NYC Subway: Cortlandt Street, World Trade Center, 19 Trains



The first pair are basically facing each other. The building is apparently coming down in the Jules Naudet grab, the firefighters are in WTC1 lobby, they are about to take a left through an exit to run up an escalator. This is the same escalator subway guy is heading for from the opposite direction.

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The firefighters have just turned left and are heading through the passage we see in the second shot. We can see the subway guy is coming in from the right side.

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We get a slight glimpse of the escalator in the firefighter shot, and a better look at the area from the subway guy's camcorder.

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We see the stairs the firefighters are running up.

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Just after this point in the firefighter's video, the camera fades to black, it's a camera effect, not it suddenly going dark. The top of the stairs leads to the upper ground level.

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Black-screen clears in the firefighter's video to reveal everything is covered in dust. The second grab shows the actual view to exit from the top of the stairs. Where did the dust come from in the first grab? Does that mean it also rains inside?

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The exit leads to a bridge walkways. This is also where those mystery people shapes with frames are seen.

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Subway guy directly of entering the bridge walkway, turns to the left and takes a side exit so he is parallel to WTC1. We see the same area in the firefighter's video.

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For reference, the official data:

https://www.911memorial.org/learn/resou ... nd-figures
World Trade Center Facts and Figures

When construction on the World Trade Center began in 1966, it was one of the most ambitious projects in size and scale ever conceived. Learn more about the complexity of the World Trade Center’s construction, operations, and management through these facts and figures.

Map of the plaza level of the World Trade Center in 2001. Courtesy of the National Institute of Standards and Technology.
Map of the plaza level of the World Trade Center in 2001. Courtesy of the National Institute of Standards and Technology.

The original World Trade Center was a 16-acre complex that housed seven buildings and the five-acre Austin J. Tobin Plaza.

The World Trade Center contained almost 10 million square feet of rentable office space. This size equaled nearly three Disneyland Parks.

In 2001, the World Trade Center housed more than 430 businesses from 28 different countries.

The World Trade Center had its own zip code: 10048. New York State government offices at the World Trade Center used the zip code 10047.

Front cover of a booklet produced by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey with information about visiting the World Trade Center and the many attractions and amenities offered, circa 1994. Collection 9/11 Memorial Museum, Gift of Rae Ann Hoffmann.
Front cover of a booklet produced by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey with information about visiting the World Trade Center and the many attractions and amenities offered, circa 1994. Collection 9/11 Memorial Museum, Gift of Rae Ann Hoffmann.

The North Tower stood over a quarter-mile tall at 1,368 feet. Its transmission tower with broadcast antennas added about 360 feet more.

The South Tower stood over a quarter-mile tall at 1,362 feet.

Each of the Twin Towers had 110 floors.

Each tower’s footprint and floors were approximately an acre in size.

On windy days, each tower could sway up to almost 12 inches side to side.

There were 43,600 windows in the Twin Towers, equating to more than 600,000 square feet of glass. It took 20 days to wash them all.

There were 198 elevators in the Twin Towers and 15 miles of elevator shafts.

The Twin Towers were among the first skyscrapers to utilize a system of local and express elevators.

Each express elevator in the Twin Towers could hold up to 55 adults. When they were installed, their motors were the largest in the world.

The Twin Towers under construction, circa 1970. Collection 9/11 Memorial Museum, Gift of Elizabeth Giannini in memory of William Borland.
The Twin Towers under construction, circa 1970. Collection 9/11 Memorial Museum, Gift of Elizabeth Giannini in memory of William Borland.

Construction on the World Trade Center began on August 5, 1966, but most of the work in the first two years was below street level. The Twin Towers began their vertical climb in 1968. The North Tower was completed first in December 1970, followed by the South Tower in July 1971.

More than 425,000 cubic yards of concrete were required to construct the World Trade Center, enough to pave a sidewalk from New York City to Washington, D.C.

At least seven foundries supplied more than 200,000 tons of structural steel for the construction of the World Trade Center—more steel than was used to build the Verrazzano-Narrows Bridge, the longest suspension bridge in the United States, that connects Staten Island to Brooklyn, New York.

The World Trade Center was built entirely on landfill. As a result, the site’s foundations, including those of the Twin Towers, had to extend down to bedrock about 70 feet below street level.

During construction, workers removed more than one million cubic yards of soil and rock from the site. New York City used this landfill to help build Battery Park City, a neighborhood directly west of the World Trade Center.

Visitors at the South Tower’s 107th floor observatory, December 1975. Collection 9/11 Memorial Museum, Gift of William Raff, survivor, South Tower, 82nd floor.
Visitors at the South Tower’s 107th floor observatory, December 1975. Collection 9/11 Memorial Museum, Gift of William Raff, survivor, South Tower, 82nd floor.

The South Tower Observation Deck was composed of an indoor observatory on the 107th floor of the South Tower and an outdoor viewing platform atop the tower’s roof. At 1,377 feet above street level, the outdoor viewing platform was the highest in the world when it opened in December 1975.

On average, the South Tower Observation Deck attracted 1.8 million visitors per year.

From the opening day of the South Tower Observation Deck in December 1975 through close of business on the night of September 10, 2001, more than 46.3 million visitors experienced the views from the tower’s summit.

On a clear day, one could see for about 45 miles in each direction from the South Tower Observation Deck.

The Vista International Hotel at 3 World Trade Center, which later became the New York Marriott World Trade Center hotel, opened in 1981. It was the first hotel to be built below Canal Street in 145 years.

The Vista International Hotel was badly damaged in the February 26, 1993 terrorist bombing, necessitating major repairs. It reopened on November 1, 1994. The building was later destroyed in the collapse of the Twin Towers.

The World Trade Center complex had more than 20 different food and drink vendors, capable of feeding a population of 150,000 each day. Many corporate tenants also had their own full-service kitchens to cater to employees and clients.

In 2001, the restaurant Windows on the World, which also operated two subsidiary restaurants—Wild Blue and the Greatest Bar on Earth—employed around 450 people who spoke more than 60 different languages. These dining places were located at the top of the North Tower.

High-wire walker Philippe Petit walking between the Twin Towers, August 7, 1974. Photograph by Alan Welner, AP Photo.
High-wire walker Philippe Petit walking between the Twin Towers, August 7, 1974. Photograph by Alan Welner, AP Photo.

High-wire walker Philippe Petit amazed New Yorkers by traversing a 131-foot-long cable between the Twin Towers, 1,350 feet above the Plaza. Going back and forth several times, he performed the act without a net on August 7, 1974.

On July 22, 1975, Owen Quinn performed the first parachute jump at the World Trade Center from the top of the North Tower. Quinn’s jump was unauthorized. At least four other people parachuted off the Twin Towers between 1980 and 1999.

On May 26, 1977, toymaker and mountain climber George Willig scaled the entirety of the South Tower’s facade. Through this act, Willig earned the nickname: the human fly.

WORLD TRADE CENTER, TWIN TOWERS, diagram detailing operations of elevator, dated 04-08-67.
WORLD TRADE CENTER, TWIN TOWERS, diagram detailing operations of elevator, dated 04-08-67.

THE WORLD TRADE CENTER
  • Schematic drawing of revolutionary skylobby elevator system to be used in the tower buildings shows three separate zones, one above the other.
  • Express elevators (left) will carry passengers to the skylobby at the 41 st floor where passengers will transfer to local elevators for transportation between the 42nd and 74 th floors.
  • Express elevators (right) will carry passengers to skylobby at 74 th floor where passengers will transfer to local elevators for floors above.
  • The express cars, the largest and fastest ever built, will be able to carry 55 people, or 10,000 pounds, at a speed of 1,700 feet a minute.
  • The skylobby system, which requires a fewer number of elevator shafts, will make available more usable areas in the buildings than in the conventionally equipped skyscrapers. it also will decrease travel time between floors within the zones.
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More background on the towers for reference. Interesting to note the waft of bullshit when the author writes, not once but twice - "Fortunately, Yamasaki did not have to watch his beloved towers fall." - he apparently died in 1986 aged 73...the picture below was taken in the 1960s...he doesn't look to be that old.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/t ... nnovation/
Twin Towers of Innovation
A host of engineering marvels distinguished the original World Trade Center.

Peter Tyson - Tuesday, April 30, 2002

Reaching new heights: When they were completed, the Eiffel Tower and the World Trade Center each topped all other structures then standing.
Reaching new heights: When they were completed, the Eiffel Tower and the World Trade Center each topped all other structures then standing.

The builders of the World Trade Center had visions of grandeur similar to those of the architect of the Eiffel Tower, which, at just over 1,000 feet, became the world's tallest structure when it was completed in 1889. When the 1,350-foot World Trade Center was finished 84 years later, it, too, gained the distinction of becoming humankind's most towering tower.

Both buildings, the French and the American, were to stand as potent ideological symbols—the one of the French Revolution and its impact, the other, the might of American capitalist society. The World Trade Center was born of Camelot, the John Kennedy era of irrepressible optimism. In 1961, the same year the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey recommended building a world trade center, Kennedy declared his intention to land a man on the moon by the end of the decade. In an editorial the year before, the New York Times had made its position on the World Trade Center clear: "They are thinking large in downtown Manhattan. The World Trade Center ... is the most important project for the economic future of the Port of New York launched for many a year."

Another Rockefeller center
The one who was "thinking large" was David Rockefeller. The grandson of John D. Rockefeller, the founder of Standard Oil and America's first billionaire, David Rockefeller hoped to revitalize Lower Manhattan. This area, the oldest part of town, had not seen the same post-war growth as had mid-town—growth that Rockefeller Center had triggered when it rose in the 1930s.

David Rockefeller's first effort in this area was the 60-story Chase Manhattan Bank Tower, completed in the financial district in 1961. (He was chairman of the bank at the time.) Even earlier, in the late 1950s, he had begun pushing hard for a world trade center. With the support of his brother Nelson, then governor of New York, he had the Port Authority evaluate plans for such a center. The Port Authority, a bistate agency responsible for ports, airports, and the like lying within 25 miles of the Statue of Liberty, determined it was feasible, and the project was underway.

Half of the 16-acre site was to be built where the river used to flow.

After years of negotiations, debate, and drawing up and redrawing up of plans, it was decided that the World Trade Center would consist of 15 million square feet of floor space distributed among seven buildings. These would include two towers that would soar over a quarter mile into the sky. The towers would top the Empire State Building by 100 feet. Some people, architects among them, wondered: Could such lofty skyscrapers be built?

Jack Kyle's slurry-trench method, which resulted in the "bathtub".
Jack Kyle's slurry-trench method, which resulted in the "bathtub".

In the end, several technological innovations made the World Trade Center possible. These innovations solved problems that might have given pause to a man less forcibly visionary than Guy Tozzoli, head of the Port Authority's World Trade Center Department. But Tozzoli had had years of experience managing large Port Authority projects, and "can't be done" was not a phrase he brooked.

The first problem didn't have to do with the towers themselves but with the ground beneath them. Much of the World Trade Center site lay atop landfill, which, over the centuries since Henry Hudson had, in 1609, first explored the river that would bear his name, had extended the west side of Lower Manhattan 700 feet out into the Hudson. Half of the 16-acre site was to be built where the river used to flow. All told, Tozzoli's crews would have to excavate over a million cubic yards of fill to be able to set the World Trade Center on bedrock. The question was how to keep the Hudson out.

Jack Kyle, chief engineer at the Port Authority, came up with an answer. It was known as the slurry trench method. Excavating machines with clamshell buckets dug a three-foot-wide trench right down to bedrock 70 feet below. They did it in 22-foot-wide sections all the way around the site. As they removed fill from each section, they pumped in a slurry of water and bentonite, an expansive clay. The clay naturally plugged any holes in the sides of the dirt walls.

Fill excavated from the site of the World Trade Center, seen here during construction in 1971, later provided the foundation for the World Financial Center and Battery Park City, which rose to the left of the World Trade Center in this image, on the other side of West St.
Fill excavated from the site of the World Trade Center, seen here during construction in 1971, later provided the foundation for the World Financial Center and Battery Park City, which rose to the left of the World Trade Center in this image, on the other side of West St.

When they had fully excavated a section of the trench, workers slid a 25-ton, seven-story-high cage of reinforced steel into the section, then filled that portion of the trench with concrete from the bottom up. The yard-thick wall became known as the "bathtub," though this bathtub was meant to keep water out, not in. When the last of 152 sections became a wall, then and only then could excavators begin removing earth from within the tub.

They would design the elevator system to mimic a subway system, with express and local elevators.

Rather than having the fill hauled away, Tozzoli donated it to the city, spreading it as new landfill southwest of the site. In this way, the City of New York received $90 million worth of newly minted real estate, on which developers later built Battery Park City.

Elevators like subways
The second problem that Tozzoli's team addressed concerned elevators. Ironically, while the invention of elevators had made skyscrapers possible, elevators were thought to limit how high skyscrapers could go. The more floors you have, the more people you have; the more people you have, the more elevators you need; the more elevators you need, the less space you have to rent to pay for all those floors. This conundrum was one of the reasons, if not the chief one, why skyscrapers rarely reached beyond 80 floors.

Undaunted, Tozzoli's group devised a solution. They would design the elevator system to mimic a subway system, with express and local elevators.

The towers' pioneering "skylobby" system, which separated express and local elevators, maximized efficiency of transport and economy of space.
The towers' pioneering "skylobby" system, which separated express and local elevators, maximized efficiency of transport and economy of space.

In the World Trade Center, giant express elevators, each capable of carrying 55 passengers and rising at 1,600 feet per minute, zipped up to "skylobbies" on the 44th and 78th floors. Here passengers exited on the side opposite from where they had entered and crossed the lobby to pick up local lifts. Each tower also had a single express elevator that went all the way to the top. The one in the South Tower went to the observation deck, that in the North Tower to the Windows on the World restaurant.

The beauty of this system lay in its economy of space. Local elevators for the lower, middle, and upper zones of the building sat one atop the other in the same shafts. And since the express elevators to the skylobbies traveled no farther than the 44th and 78th floors, respectively, the higher one ascended in the building, the less space had to be given over to elevator shafts.

It was, as Angus Kress Gillespie, author of the book Twin Towers, put it, "a pioneering translation into the vertical of horizontal mass transportation." The result: 75 percent of the floor space in each tower was rentable, a significant improvement over 62 percent, the highest yield achieved in earlier skyscrapers.

A tube of a tower
That 75 percent was also made possible by another innovation. Previous high-rises had relied for their structural integrity on a forest of supporting columns on each floor. Typically, architects spaced these 30 feet apart throughout the interior. The exterior walls of such buildings were merely curtain walls, which let light in and kept weather out but provided little support.

The World Trade Center's tube-style construction, with steel columns found only along the exterior wall and within a central core, freed up nearly an acre of space on each floor for offices.
The World Trade Center's tube-style construction, with steel columns found only along the exterior wall and within a central core, freed up nearly an acre of space on each floor for offices.

Such was not the case in the World Trade Center. Consulting engineers Leslie Robertson and John Skilling invented an entirely new method of construction. The forest of interior columns vanished; such columns only appeared in and around the central core of elevator shafts, stairwells, and bathrooms. Then it was nothing but open space—60 feet of it on two sides, 35 on the other two sides—before one reached the outside walls. These were not curtain walls but cages of steel columns spaced just over a yard apart, with 22 inches of glass in between. (Minoru Yamasaki, the building's architect, designed it this way in part because he was insecure with heights and felt more comfortable with such narrow windows.)

Such tube-style architecture became the pioneering style of frame for a whole new generation of buildings.

The shafts of steel in the exterior walls shouldered not only gravity loads pressing down from above but also lateral loads caused by gusty winds nudging the building from the side. Such tube-style architecture relied on high-strength steel, which was only then becoming available. It resulted in up to an acre of rentable space on each floor, and it became the pioneering style of frame for a whole new generation of buildings.

Damping the sway
As sturdy as these towers would be, Robertson and Skilling knew they would still be flexible in high winds. Indeed, they designed them to be so. But they realized the swaying effect, especially in strong gusts, might bother tenants high in the building. So they fashioned yet another innovation, a state-of-the-art damping system. Like door closers or car shocks, the dampers absorbed the wind's punch, easing the towers one way or the other so smoothly that office workers hardly noticed the movement.

The dampers were made of visco-elastic material. "These are materials that are partially viscous, that is, partially flowable like oil, and also elastic, which means they act somewhat like steel, in that if you strain them they return to their original shape," Robertson says. "So the material is in between those two materials—it's not like oil, it's not like steel, it's visco-elastic."

Each of the Twin Towers had 11,000 built-in shock absorbers to lessen the buildings' sway in strong wind.
Each of the Twin Towers had 11,000 built-in shock absorbers to lessen the buildings' sway in strong wind.

Robertson's crew placed the dampers, 11,000 of them in each building, between the bottom of the floor trusses and the columns—two parts of the building that tended to move with respect to each other when the edifice swayed. When it did so, those two parts would shear the visco-elastic dampers. This shearing caused the material to heat up, and that heat was transferred to the building. "So we take the energy of the wind, and we heat the building with it," Robertson says with a note of pride in his voice.

Reactions
Such innovations meant nothing to the tower's critics, however. Both before and after the World Trade Center's official dedication in April 1973, certain vocal members of the American intelligentsia went after it as assiduously as those who let their feelings about the Eiffel Tower be known by signing a petition against its construction. (These included the writers Guy de Maupassant and Emile Zola.)

The philosopher Lewis Mumford, a noted architectural critic who died in 1990, railed against the building's "purposeless gigantism and technological exhibitionism." The architect Charles Jencks went so far as to liken the use of redundancy in the towers' design to fascist methods. "Repetitive architecture can put you to sleep," he wrote. "Both Mussolini and Hitler used it as a form of thought control knowing that before people can be coerced they first have to be hypnotized and then bored."

Fortunately, Yamasaki did not have to watch his beloved towers fall.

The jabs came not just from architects. New York Times columnist Russell Baker noted that the towers "seem to go on and on and on endlessly in the upward dimension, as though being constructed by battalions of exuberantly unstoppable madmen determined to keep building until the architect decides what kind of top he wants."

In this photograph from the early 1960s, Minoru Yamasaki, architect of the World Trade Center, indicates in a model the site for the new complex in Lower Manhattan.
In this photograph from the early 1960s, Minoru Yamasaki, architect of the World Trade Center, indicates in a model the site for the new complex in Lower Manhattan.

Yamasaki, the architect, must have been stung by such comments. He saw his creation in a completely different light. In his book Architects on Architecture, the author Paul Heyer quotes Yamasaki as saying, "World trade means world peace, and consequently the World Trade Center buildings in New York ... had a bigger purpose than just to provide room for tenants. The World Trade Center is a living symbol of man's dedication to world peace."

Tragically, since the heinous attacks of September 11th, 2001, the towers have become instead a symbol of international terrorism. Apart from the loss of life, Yamasaki would surely have been appalled and horrified if he had had any idea that such a fate awaited his "monument to peace," as he once called it. Had he lived to witness that awful day, he might have gone on to design differently in the future, for such Eiffelesque grandeur was not his natural inclination. As he once wrote, "As an architect, if I had no economic or social limitations, I'd solve all my problems with one-story buildings. Imagine how pleasant it would be to always work and plan spaces overlooking lovely gardens filled with flowers."

Fortunately, Yamasaki did not have to watch his beloved towers fall. He died in 1986 at the age of 73, with his best-known work still standing tall above Manhattan, "grand in its own right."
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Re: WTC Building details - elevators

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Came across the following information on WTC elevators.

World Trade Center 1 & 2 Elevator Riser Diagram
www.reddit.com/r/TwinTowersInPhotos/com ... nfuses_me/

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This elevator chart for the towers confuses me. It's clear the lobby is counted as floors 1 and 2 while floors 7 and 8 are mechanical floors, but why aren't there any elevators to floors 3-6?

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The lobby was floors 1-6 inclusive. 1 was street/concourse/mall level, 2 was the mezzanine balcony/plaza level, and 3-6 didn't exist in the lobby itself, although they did in the core. You can see on your diagram that freight elevators 48 and 50, and combination elevators 5 and 6 served some or all of 3-6. According to drawings, they just contained janitorial offices, locker rooms, storerooms, and similar. There was no rentable space there [ed. not office space, at least].
This is one of the coolest things I've seen posted here. I don't think I would have guessed only one elevator "50" that hits every floor. Zone III shuttles had 78 stories of blind hoistway. There is a video of some of the original equipment on YouTube. [Below]

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Kind of odd layout without a legend. I'm guessing open circles are served landings but what about solid dots and Xs (maybe through floors or rear landings). I wonder what the same chart looks like at the new 1WTC, I don't think they did sky lobbies just banks of cars with blind floors.

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NY World Trade Center Elevators in 1994
This shows some of the original elevator equipment in the New York World Trade Center in 1994 before a modernization project began in 1995 to replace the electrical controls. Some shots from the roof of the south tower and street are also included.

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A few comment exchanges. Firstly about security after the 93 attack...so we begin to see what that was about.
@MattyMatt80
Ah man. This gives me goosebumps. My father worked in the towers. Took me to work a few times. That all stopped after the 1st attack in 93. No more visitors even family! Security got real. It’s a damn shame what happened. I guess I’m happy I was able to go up there a few times as a little kid. Those elevators were so fast!!!!!!
@jimw1615
I worked for Otis from 1977 until 1989 on the West Coast. In 1980, John Kijak, Otis Service Sales Manager from the Mid-Manhattan office took me into the World Trade Center to see that 6850 Selector that extends into the floor above, along with equipment in other machine rooms and then we enjoyed lunch at Windows on the World in the North Tower.

@whereisthedollar
What floor were you on when looking at it ?

@jimw1615
The service elevators machine room was on 108 or 109. I have no memory of what floor it was on, just a picture of that selector going into a "hat" through the floor above.

@MrDukeeeey
How did the ace elevator company get such a large contract to work on the WTC buildings? From what I understand the project was one of the largest elevator projects in the world .. and went to a small reasonably unknown company.

And a little about the make and kind.
@davewilkirson2320
It's a Otis GB-339-UE and a Siemens TA-908TG with a General Dynamics MM-5643-YU.
@DavidBerquist334
What is the voltage of each motor
Are they 3 phase or single phase
Are all the motors on a transformer separate from lighting, outlets in buildings this size

@dafman3296
These are DC motors with both DC excited field poles and a DC armature with a carbon brush commutator.

@edoardozampetti4601
I've never heard that DC motors were used to pull up an elevator, a stroke like that of towers over 400m long requires a three-phase ac motor..

@dafman3296
Yes, DC. Actually, elevator motors used in gearless applications before the very late 20th century were ALL DC. They were still being until about 15 to 20 years ago. It's essentially the same style motor used in diesel-electric train locomotives.
For the WTC systems you are correct though. Before electronic control of DC motors was available there WERE 3 phase AC motors used for each elevator. A motor-generator setup called a Ward-Lenard system was used. A 3 phase AC motor mechanically drove a DC generator which then supplied the DC power to the elevator hoist motor.

@edoardozampetti4601
657 / 5.000
I'm sorry but considering the cost to maintain the towers..I don't understand the complication of installing a three-phase generator in the engine room and then powering the DC motors..might as well get the three-phase line into the engine room, use a rectifier circuit and come up with an o multiple dc lines and feed the dc motors and control their parameters..
anyway in Europe obviously today and long after the video of the towers .. the high speed trains are driven with AC motors powered and piloted by DC-AC inverters with overhead DC line .. obviously for the Pacific engines I imagine it is more economical and simple to feed electric motors with a dc dynamo

@johncantwell8216
The upgrade did replace the MG sets with solid state SCR drives. In the late '60s when the buildings were being designed, high-power SCR drives were fairly new, and just starting to be used in industry in the smaller sizes. So they did not use them in the original design.

@dafman3296
Please research "Ward Lenard" systems for an explanation of why (at the time) this was a good method for smooth and accurate speed control.
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Re: WTC Building details - Egress System

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DESIGN OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER EGRESS SYSTEM
The provision of access to and egress from buildings under emergency conditions relies on four primary components: stairwells, elevators, communication systems, and emergency responders (broadly defined to include the City of New York Fire Department (FDNY), New York City Police Department (NYPD), Port Authority Police Department (PAPD), Port Authority personnel, building security, fire safety directors, floor wardens, and other individuals with formal response responsibilities). These are subsequently grouped into building systems and the human component.


OVERALL BUILDING DESCRIPTION
By 2001, the World Trade Center (WTC) complex had become an integral part of Manhattan. It was composed of seven buildings (here referred to as WTC 1 through WTC 7) on a 16 acre site, located near the southwest tip of the island, shown in Figure 1. Whether viewed from close up, from the Statue of Liberty across the Upper Bay or from an airplane descending to LaGuardia Airport, the WTC towers were a sight to behold.

WTC 1 (North Tower) and WTC 2 (South Tower), were each 110 stories high, dwarfing the other skyscrapers in lower Manhattan and seemingly extending to all Manhattan the definition of "tall" set by midtown's Empire State Building. Groundbreaking for the towers was in 1966, while construction began in 1968. WTC 1 was first occupied in 1970; WTC 2 in 1972.

Additionally, there was a six-story subterranean structure, largely below the WTC Plaza with connections to WTC 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6, which included a shopping mall and the WTC PATH station. This was surrounded by a 3 ft (0.9 m) thick concrete wall that extended from ground level down 70 ft (21 m) to bedrock. Holding back the waters of the Hudson River, this wall had enabled rapid excavation for the foundation and served to keep the groundwater from flooding the underground levels. Commuter trains brought tens of thousands of workers and visitors to Manhattan from Brooklyn and New Jersey into the WTC station. A series of escalators and elevators took the WTC employees directly to an underground shopping mall and to the Concourse Level of both towers.

WTC 3 (Marriott Hotel) was 22 stories. WTC 4 (South Plaza Building) and WTC 5 (North Plaza Building) were both 9-story office buildings. WTC 6 (U.S. Customs House) was an 8-story office building. These six buildings were built around a 5 acre plaza, named after Austin J. Tobin, and the centerpiece of which was a large globe art object. WTC 7 (Salomon Brothers Building), located north of the other six WTC buildings and separated by Vesey Street, was a 47-story office building. WTC 7 was completed in 1987 and was operated by Silverstein Properties, Inc., as an air rights building.

Figure 1: World Trade Center (WTC) complex
Figure 1: World Trade Center (WTC) complex

1.1 Description of the Towers
WTC 1 and WTC 2 each consisted of 110 stories above the Concourse Level (or 109 stories above the plaza / Mezzanine Level) structure. There were also six basement levels below the Concourse Level Although the towers were similar, they were not identical.

The height of WTC1 at the roof level was 1,368 ft (418 m) above the Concourse Level (6 ft taller than WTC 2), and WTC 1 additionally supported a 360 ft (110 m) tall antenna on the roof for television and radio transmission. Each tower had a square plan with the side dimension of 207 ft 2 in. (63.2 m). The corners of the tower were chamfered 6 ft 11 in. (2.1 m). Each tower had a core service area of approximately 135 ft x 87 ft (41 m x 27 m), although the core space changed on tenant spaces throughout the towers.

A typical architectural floor plan in the tower is shown in Figure 2. As can be seen in this figure, placing all service systems within the core provided column-free floor space of roughly 31,000 sq ft (2,900 m2) per floor outside the core. The long axis of the core in WTC 1 was oriented in the east-west direction while the long axis of the core in WTC 2 was oriented in the north-south direct.

Figure 2: Typical WTC tower architectural floor plan
Figure 2: Typical WTC tower architectural floor plan

The superb vistas from the top of such buildings virtually demanded public space from which to view them, and the Port Authority responded. The 107th floor of WTC 1 housed a gourmet restaurant and bar with views of the Hudson River and New Jersey to the west, the skyscrapers of midtown Manhattan to the north, the East River and Queens to the east, the Statue of Liberty to the southwest, and the Atlantic Ocean to the south. Similar views could be seen from observation decks on the 107th floor and the roof of WTC 2.

Table 1 shows the use of the floors, which was similar but not identical in the two towers:

Table 1: Use of floors in the WTC towers
Table 1: Use of floors in the WTC towers

The Port Authority had managed the operation of the two towers since their opening three decades earlier. Silverstein Properties acquired a 99-year lease on the towers in July 2001.

At the beginning of the workday, many of the roughly 40,000 people who worked in the towers and visited to tour or to conduct business emerged from PATH trains in the massive subterranean station. They would take escalators and elevators to a large shopping concourse. Walking a few hundred feet led occupants to the spacious, 6-story-high lobby on the Concourse Level where they would cross paths with those who arrived on foot or by bus and cab. Figure 3 shows the layout of the shopping mall, located underneath the WTC plaza. Figure 4 shows the lobby configuration for WTC 1. Figure 5 shows the layout of the WTC 2 lobby. The WTC 1 and WTC 2 lobbies were at the same level as the underground shopping mall, often collectively referred to as the Concourse Level. The WTC outdoor plaza and the WTC 1 and WTC 2 Mezzanine were one story higher than the Concourse Level, often referred to as either the Mezzanine or plaza level.

Figure 3: Shopping mall layout underneath WTC plaza
Figure 3: Shopping mall layout underneath WTC plaza

WTC 1 lobby plan, originally white, colour added.

Figure 4: WTC 1 lobby (concourse) level
Figure 4: WTC 1 lobby (concourse) level

The Concourse on the right is heading to the mall. As you can see, there is a lot of rotation. On the left was two escalators (up and down). One twin building had a total of 10 escalators. (If you add up all the escalators in the trade center complex, 20 to 30 or more). There were two on the 1st to the 2nd floor lobby, four on the 44th floor Skylobby (connecting the 43ed and 45th floors), and four on the 78th floor Skylobby (connecting the 77th and 79th floors).

Express elevators, 1-23 coloured yellow, carried people to the Skylobbies. 1-5, 8-11 went straight to floor 44 Skylobby, 12-23 went straight to floor 78 Skylobby. Elevators 6 and 7 were dual express elevators stopping at Skylobbies 44, 78, and floor 106 and 107.

Local elevators, Bank elevators 24-47, coloured blue, carried people to assigned floors between the Plaza lobby and Skylobby floor 44. These local elevator banks only operated in Zone A of the building. Zone B Bank elevators operated between the Skylobbies on floor 44 and 78, and Zone C Bank elevators operated between the Skylobby on 78 and the floor 107 Restaurant. Example: Zone A - Bank A of six local elevators (numbered 24-29 on figure 4) operated on the floor 1 and floors 9-16. Zone A - Bank B of six local elevators operated between floors 17 to 24, Zone A - Bank C of six local elevators operated between floors 25-32, and Zone - A Bank D local elevators operated between floors 33-40 floors. Zone A in total covers the 1st to 40th floors.)

Cargo elevators 48-50 are coloured red. No.48 was for Zone A, and operated from Basement 1-7 and floors 9-40. No.49 was for Zone B and operated from Basement 1-5 and floors 41-74. No.50 was an all-floors cargo elevator which serviced floors 6 to 108 above ground and connected to all floors except floors 109 and 110.

The Mezzanine floor (Image 1) is ambiguous to explain, it was not served by the elevators and instead had two escalators connecting to the the Plaza ground level...

Image 1: WTC 1 Ground and Mezzanine floor levels
Image 1: WTC 1 Ground and Mezzanine floor levels

The Alarm Panel and Fire Command Desk were built after the 1993 bombings to direct fire suppression activities in the event of a fire, etc., and there was one Lobby Command Post in each of the lobbies of Building 1 and Building 2.

The Jules Naudet video inside of Building 1 during the 9/11 attacks was taken around the Fire Command Post. The Alarm Panel was where the controls were located. There were LED lights that showed the status of each floor of both WTC 1 and 2, and an elevator control panel which could control elevators in both buildings.

Figure 5. WTC 2 lobby (concourse) level
Figure 5. WTC 2 lobby (concourse) level

Getting tens of thousands of people from the Concourse to their offices was no small task. This was accomplished by a then-novel array of 106 express and local elevators located within the building core. Also within the core were three sets of stairs that extended the full height of the tower. However, upon entering a stairwell at an upper floor, one did not find a continuously descending staircase leading to the lobby. Principally at the mechanical floors, there were enclosed horizontal corridors that led around the massive elevator hardware. These corridors ranged in length from about 10 ft to about 100 ft. - After traversing each of these, the office worker using the stairs would resume their descent.

Upon exiting the elevators (or stairs, for those who chose the more strenuous route), one was faced with a view typical of high-rise buildings. Surrounding the rectangular core corridor was a mixture of blank walls, door entries to firms, and glass-front reception areas. Above was a standard drop ceiling. Many of the floors had but a single tenant, and some of these tenants occupied multiple floors. By 2001, most of these companies, which had moved in since the installation of automatic sprinklers, had taken advantage of Yamasaki's design concept of a vast space that was virtually obstruction-free. The open landscaping included as many as 200 or more individual workstations, often clustered in groups of six or eight (Images 3a & 3b). Trading floors had arrays of long tables with multiple computer screens (Image 4). Some of these floors had a few executive offices in the corners and along the perimeter. Many also had walled conference rooms. It was common for the multiple-floor tenants to have installed convenience stairs internal to their space (Image 2).

Image 2: Convenience stairs
Image 2: Convenience stairs

Other floors were subdivided to accommodate as many as 20 firms. Some of the smaller firms occupied space in the core areas - reclaimed as elevator shafts from the local elevator banks were phased out in the upper floors of each of the three Zones of the towers.

Image 3a: WTC tenant space
Image 3a: WTC tenant space
Image 3b: WTC tenant space
Image 3b: WTC tenant space

With so many workers and visitors in the buildings, there needed to be food available. The Port Authority maintained a cafeteria on the 43rd floor of WTC 1. A number of the companies maintained kitchen areas where catered food was brought in daily, making it unnecessary for their staff even to leave their floor for lunch. The underground Concourse Level mall also provided may options for eating. In addition, there were hundreds of restrooms, in both the tenant and the core spaces.

Image 4: WTC 4 trading floor
Image 4: WTC 4 trading floor
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