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Blue whales and other faked species

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Rather than derailing the Ball Bearing Strait thread, I thought I'd start a new one as a reference thread for other topics to link to.

If you are relatively knew to fakeology, you'll likely think this subject is insane. But start examining stories in the media about say 'beached whales', and you'll come to the conclusion at least some of them have definitely been fabricated with fake animals. And while I'm not one to dismiss a whole species based on a handful of fake animals stories, the question remains, why do the authorities even have to fake 'beached whale' stories if whales really do beach themselves from time-to-time?

Let's start with a blue whale video I've just looked at doing a quick search to kick off this topic. As I say, you don't have to go hunting for them, just do a search and look at the video with a critical eye...ask yourself, "with what I know about the characteristics of living and dead animals, does what I am seeing conform with what I might expect?"

I put the blue whale forward as a candidate of being a bullshit animal.

Blue whale washes up on beach in California

6 Apr 2018

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Next is the blue whale skeleton in the Natural History Museum...it's dated from 1934, and is claimed to be real. It replaces a dinosaur that was admitted to be a cast.

https://www.designboom.com/architecture ... 7-18-2017/
London's natural history museum unveils blue whale skeleton as part of major refurbishment
July 18, 2017

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London’s natural history museum has unveiled the transformation of alfred waterhouse’s hintze hall — the institution’s first major refurbishment since the 1970s. the project, which was led by design firm casson mann, sees the removal of the diplodocus dinosaur cast — commonly referred to as ‘dippy’ — and the introduction of ‘hope’, a blue whale skeleton. serving as a new focal point for visitors arriving through the main entrance, the skeleton is suspended from the hall’s historic ceiling — freeing up space at ground level...

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‘this is a landmark moment for the museum and for the millions of people from all over the world who visit us,’ explains sir michael dixon, director of the natural history museum. ‘putting our blue whale at the center of the museum, between living species on the west and extinct species on the east, is a powerful reminder of the fragility of life and the responsibility we have towards our planet.’

The blue whale: a three-year labour of love | Natural History Museum

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This next one is from California, and is apparently a real blue whale skeleton; we are told they've only used fibreglass to replace some of the missing bones and cartilage, and they then topped it off by painting the whole thing white.

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This Blue Whale Skeleton In Santa Cruz Is One Of The World’s Largest On Display
December 15, 2021

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Did you know that one of the world’s largest displayed blue whale skeletons can be found just down the coast? ‘Ms. Blue‘ is an authentic blue whale skeleton clocking in at 87 feet, and she’s quite the sight to behold. You can find this skeleton at Seymour Marine Discovery Center at Long Marine Lab in Santa Cruz, California.

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According to a video from Tree and Sea TV, the massive skeleton was taken from a 50-year-old female blue whale that washed up at Pigeon Point in San Mateo in 1979. Blue whale carcasses seldom wash ashore, so a team of scientists from Long Marine Lab at UCSC went to work salvaging what they could. After 15 days cutting bones free from the flesh and hauling them up a cliff (a helicopter was used to lift the 3,500-lb skull), they were cleaned and laid out on the ground at the lab for several years.

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After Long Marine Lab secured funding to mount the skeleton in 1985, they studied smaller blue whale mounts at the California Academy of Sciences and the Santa Barbara Museum of Natural History. Then they got to work pressure-washing the bones, creating foam and fiberglass forms to stand in for missing cartilage, and painting the bones with exterior latex house paint. About 80% of the skeleton was mounted on a steel frame, and in 2000, casts of the missing bones were added to complete it...

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Now back to that California beached whale...did you notice something that vastly differs from the above skeletons?

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It doesn't appear to have a scull. In fact its head looks like a deflated beachball.

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Look at the way it moves...it's more like rubber, there is no weight to it, the structure looks hollow.

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I suggest the corrugated section on top was designed to make the model pack smaller when deflated, and expand as air is pumped in. I very much doubt this exists in nature, and we certainly don't see it on other mammals; therefore is the blue whale a bullshit animal to propagate the theory of evolution?
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rachel wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 11:24 am Look at the way it moves...it's more like rubber, there is no weight to it, the structure looks hollow.


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I suggest the corrugated section on top was designed to make the model pack smaller when deflated, and expand as air is pumped in. I very much doubt this exists in nature, and we certainly don't see it on other mammals; therefore is the blue whale a bullshit animal to propagate the theory of evolution?
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That is a really god catch @rachel - the fact that they exhibit many Blue Whale skeletons makes sure we're 100% certain this species has a big and heavy skull to go with it. The water squishing back and forth where the skull is supposed to be is therefore an impossible feature to explain for a real animal, and 100% compatible with a fraudulent stranded whale. The whale carcass also looks way too light - as if it was hollow. Dead animals become more stiff, not softer.
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The Blue Whale "Hope" from the Natural History Museum is a very good example - it was also the first Blue Whale to be exhibited anywhere. And it is important to remember that before modern film and photography, nobody had seen these animals. The Blue Whale was first captured in northern Norway around 1850 - before that none existed to show for. Despite millions of years of fossil records.
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The earliest mention of Blue Whales in literature is from Herman Melville's 1851 book "Moby-Dick" - which original title was "The Whale" (inspired by an albino sperm whale killed near Mocha Island Chile 1839)
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In an early luck of events, the Natural History Museum of London got hold of their big Blue Whale currently exposed as early as 1892 when Wexford business man William Armstrong sold the museum the remains of the whale he acquired for 111£ from its captor – Ned Wickham of the Royal National Lifeboat Institution (RNLI). Wickham had spotted a female Blue whale live-stranded on a sandbank close to Wexford Harbour (Ireland) on March 25th 1891. Approaching close to the huge carcass the day after, Ned stuck his knife into the whale and supplied the coup de grace. The whale was an 82 feet long (25m) adult female Northern Blue whale (the whale was first wrongly identified as a Sperm whale).

Armstrong had the whale carcass salvaged before delivery to the Natural History Museum and whale’s oil was collected in 14 drums of 45 gallons (630 gallons in total), the baleen (the mouth filter of baleen whales) was used to make corsets and the lean meat was sold off as pet food. The whale bones were then cleansed, whitened and brought to he Natural History Museum for display, but due to size and weight (estimated to be over 10 tons at the time) did not allow the museum to exhibit the Wexford whale just yet. The whale skeleton was kept in storage for over 40 years until the museum opened its new Whale Hall in 1938 where it was mounted alongside a with a 93 foot live replica of a Blue whale. Both were the first blue whales to be put on display anywhere in the world.
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The Wexford ‘Rosslare’ whale (now ‘Hope’) depicted as found on 25 March 1891

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This relates to something I'm going to reference in the Ball Bearing Strait thread. I thought while I was on the topic of skeletons. Chukotka has the world's only museum of walrus ivory carvings with an in-house bone carving studio. I'm guessing it's the tusks, what about the whale bones? But since we mention walrus...

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While externally it has certain features similar to dolphins and whales, we can see a walrus has four definite limbs, the back legs being tiny. If we compare with a skeleton of a dog, they are similar, and could come from the same root animal.

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It's worth reminding ourselves, a few people with a big brick building decided to categorise dolphins and whales as mammals. They began by creating groups of characteristics, then splitting animals based on them. When they found an animal that didn't fit any category, they didn't create a new one; rather they shoehorned it into their preferred option together with a story about millions of years. Because dolphins have lungs, live births and are warm blooded, apparently this trumps looking like a fish, living its entire life with fish, and having a skeleton the same as a fish. Different people on a different day might have made different decisions, and instead stated, to be classed as a mammal, the animal must live on land and have a skeleton that conforms to the type seen above. If so, dolphins would not be mammals, they would be something else.

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But it's actually when it comes to dissecting the animal the difference becomes glaringly obvious...the shark's flesh is clearly fish, the dolphin's meat. These are actually quite interesting videos to flick through to get a sense of knowing what real looks like. I note at 9:40 in the dolphin video, the guy doing the dissection highlights the marks on the skin from rope/nets. I'll return to that later.

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And now for a blue whale dissection...The fact it's by National Geographic and the video is interspersed with male impersonator Richard Dawkins, I'm already red flagging it. I watched a fair bit of it with the sound off, the more I view the more fake it looks.

National Geographic - Animal Autopsy - Whale

12 Feb 2011

Even with the sound off the woman in yellow is annoying. What sort of idiot would wave a knife at people? If it's a real whale, the guy dissecting the dolphin told us how sharp it has to be.

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And when she finally gets to work, you know the first thing she does? Only stabs holes into the whale to let the air out...almost as if it's a big inflatable prop. The gif shows the air being released through a larger hole...would you not say it looks like foam?

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It's interesting where she puts the holes, because they do warn that the whale can explode. But why would that be?...Maybe because it's made out of the same material as tyres? Anyway, she appears to put the holes into the thicker section rather than the part that is designed to expand. No such holes necessary for the dolphin. ...And also look at the scratches; at's almost like the white latex paint has been scraped off from the whale. Compare this with the marks from the netting that likely killed the dolphin.

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I'm going to carry on with this in the next post. But let's finish with this, the guy who is narrating starts telling us about the whale's tongue...it being "blown up because of the gas inside"...no such problem with the dolphin's tongue, the carcass also being found washed up on a beach. But look what he does next, to an apparent rotting dead animal.

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I suggest this in itself proves we not looking at a real dead animal.
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The woman in yellow continues to be a maniac with the knife. But what's going on in the second grab with the dark area in the grooves? It's low resolution, but it looks like damage to the material. Likewise the line to the right where clearly a rope has been used.. Are we seeing the result of it stripping white paint off the surface of the whale?

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Let's try to compare a whale grab with one from the shark and dolphin cut open. The shark grab shows it after it has been gutted and the butcher is starting to remove the pink flesh. The dolphin grab shows the flesh after the skin and blubber has been removed, it's a solid mass of meat, and dark red in colour. Finally we have the blue whale grab, it shows a hole that was cut into the flesh to out the gas. It appears to be whiter than the shark meat, in fact it looks like foam rubber to me; and what's the grey mass to the left? Is it a repair that was previously made?

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It gets better though, the woman in yellow for some reason is doing all the cutting for the camera. She gets up on top of the whale and starts cutting the skin and blubber off. Do we really think real flesh wouldn't just rip apart? Doesn't the fact she has to continue cutting and cutting suggest, whatever material it is, likely rubber, it's backed with some sort of weaved cloth that has to be cut through. In the second gif, see the way the knife just bounces around, it's like trying to cut a deflated ball.

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It's more likely to be something like this...see the way it pulls like fabric in the gif.

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And if it was real, it should look something like the following...a section of skin and blubber taken from the dolphin.

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Let's get the dolphin's intestines up and compare them with the blue whale's. The blue whale's would appear to be the wrong colour.

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Let the air out and take the skin off, the blue whale is looking rather empty, unlike the dolphin.

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Would anyone really climb into a rotting corpse for no good reason? It's not like we've seen woman in yellow do one meaningful while cutting up the whale. Compared her to the guy doing the dolphin dissection.

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I think I'll end with the eye. What is the point of her cutting it out? And when she does, it;s surrounded by white fleshy stuff that looks like foam...it should be read meat. And what does she do when she pulls it out? Measure it? takes some fluids? No, just forces the same knife she's been pointing at people through it.

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And does it fall apart or burst? No, the lens stays intact, like it's glued in, and the back of the eye rather than being squishy, looks more like the result from a foam injected mould.

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These dissection videos are really interesting - good research @rachel.
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The shark dissection is incredibly convincing, despite the shark drawing showing some very dubious features, especially the spine that doesn't not change in size throughout the body. The tail is also a question-mark - wouldn't the tail need to be solidly attached to the spine ?
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What really bother me about the dolphin dissection is the very psyoppy feel about the people dissecting, their explanations and the completely useless cameraman. I'm also not so fond of the Dolphin being dissected in science lab. But most of all, the internal colour and texture just reminds one of animal meat - here i refer to land-animals. But the dolphin anatomy drawing and its internal structure makes sense, which is not the case imo for the shark and whale.
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Inupiaq Whaling boat in Utqiaġvik and Nuvuk, Alaska
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Inupiaq Whaling boats catching bowhead whales is a groce mismatch of size and capability - hereover a bowhead whale caught in Utqiagvik 2021. Bowhead whales measure 40 to 50 feet long and weighs up to 40 tons
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Maybe its the size of whales that makes this creature so difficult to be credible for humans to dissect. That tiny knife just isn't an appropriate tool for the job. Just like the boats they want us believe caught these gigantic animals. And going back to the Blue Whale hope, it just isn't credible Wickham killed the whale with only a knife. And as you also go into, there are many questionable features about this particular Whale dissection that doesn't make sense. The explosive nature of Whales seems tailored to keep bystanders at a healthy distance.
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Overall, what is so difficult when researching animal fraud is that there are programs in place for these species that go literally hundreds of years back in time - since these races discovery. That would be 1850 for the Blue Whale. The funding and manpower behind such a fraud would therefore be of a magnitude we will be hard pressed to fathom. Its like there was a technology that was buried in 1850 and that has been developed ever since resulting in what we see today. And the funding is real, and of consequence - as with dinosaurs. Ongoing since the 19th century.
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Of course the caveat here is "IF" the Blue whale is a Bullshit Animal. But we need to research this topic as IF it actually is a Bullshit Animal. And the fact these animals wash up all the time since they were discovered but never before is really problematic. It would be really hard to miss a 25m fish on the beach at any point in history. Only these creatures just wash up since they were "discovered" by mason sailors close to the North Pole.
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Marine mammals are very peculiar in this sense. They wash up the most. And as they are "mammals" so to say - they are internally similar to land animals. However the size of whales would make it hard to actually use any land-animal for mimicking* dissections.
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* it is with mimicking in mind that the dolphin dissection becomes curious as to the size of the bowels and colour of the flesh and membranes. A dolphins size is quite similar to land-animals. And maybe really huge tuna fish are similar in size to the shark above
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Just saw this little clip below of an Orca or killer whale. Its not strictly a Blue Whale tale, but the technology - if in use - could also apply to faking Blue Whales in nature.
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In the short belowThe Killer whale is hunting the beach for tourists just as a surfer is launching straight ahead. What are the odds right? This looks like entertainment. Too good to be true. This type of examples do become problematic when this has to be advanced animatronics at work. And it is this aspect of the Bullshit Blue Whale Animal that seems hard to overcome: technology we are unaware of exists at this level of performance.
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It is this unknown tech development of animatronics that we probably see at work in this clip and that doesn't compute with what we can expect. This is an unknown unknown to the public - indistinguishable from magick one might say. Which is why its worthwhile to capitalise on the exposure or such undebunkable tech. Its undebunkable in the sense that we do not have such advanced materials intergrated with tech as to perfectly animate a huge animal.
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In the scenario Whales are faked - Elite masons have figured out a long while ago how to animate the shape of a whale that make us recognize it at a distance. In the photo of the whale 'HOPE' stranded close to the beach in 1892 Wexford Ireland above (img), we can imagine the whale from a distance from its shape. At these early times of Blue Whale discovery, there was clearly no close ups of any whale - this aspect only become common when technology allowed for it. And now we ARE capable of faking a dissection - which is why we see dissections of these animals now.
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If we go back to whale and the trope they have created to make this animal capture our interest, it is clear that Whales are interesting when we see them. Or hope to see them. Therefore it is very fitting for the Whale to be a mammal as this forces this fish to not just live in the water, but rather to need be at the surface... A lot. Where we can see them. And being so big and blowing all that steam in the air - we can see whales from afar. Or more conveniently now that the tech allows it, when they attack us on the beach as below.
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I know you've done a fair amount of research on this topic; I've only scratched the surface. I'm not going to start by gunning for whales as a class just yet, but I am in total agreement with you regarding certain types of whales playing major roles in fake narratives. My view, something like a blue whale would be based on something that exists...but its anatomy has been scaled up massively, and it won't be an exact match because design features need to be added to aid transport and storage; one for example, being the corrugated skin that hold the whales shape while deflated, but can be expand when pumped with air.

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I was going to put the first picture up as a deflated whale example, but I see the two pictures are actually of the same example...and I'm pretty sure the people in the second are models. Something like this...

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Also, we can work out what's missing. It's apparently on its back, and the big hollow is where the inflatable tongue should be. And the guy below states, "blown up because of the gas inside", yes, from a compressed air canister. That's a very English thing to do, make the thing you are trying to hide...deflating the blowup toy...part of the procedure.

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And having exploding whales from time-to-time would definitely help to keep people at a distance. But saying that, I can guarantee, unless you are open to the possibility that this could be fake beforehand, no matter how strange it appears, you're going to put it down to the fact it's dead rather than it's fake. That's what these people rely on.

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So regarding the videos in my last post. I put the shark and dolphin up as the real deal. The Chinese one, what I found fascinating about the shark, I remember someone saying something like, 'fish are just meat on a backbone', and after the butcher gutted it, that's pretty much how it looks...under the intelligent design hypothesis, fish were definitely designed to be eaten.

The dolphin dissection, I actually found via this website. It has a picture of King Charles on the about us page, so it will be very much pushing Sustainable Development.

https://www.zsl.org/news-and-events/eve ... dissection
We’re ZSL, a science-driven conservation charity working to restore wildlife in the UK and around the world.

I think the ZSL guy is genuine, he knows his stuff and I think he addresses the subject as if he's talking to a set of students. As I've seen dolphins in real life and they are apparently in UK waters, I'm satisfied that dissection was filmed off the cuff as the opportunity arose, and I think it's a useful measure for the blue whale example...particularly how unprofessional the woman in yellow comes across. But if it's an inflatable prop she's using, well, it explains a lot.
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I'm not a big one for advanced technologies. I do know there is excellent animatronics, but what I've seen, it tends to have to be attached to something, so it's not practical to move; therefore everything is in the cut. If they want to have something moving freely, then they have to move to a zero-gravity environment...ie, computer animation.

Because that blue whale video is interspersed with supposedly living animals swimming, it's probably worth examining them to see how fake they look. Guaranteed, the biggest con they will use is scale, how big is the thing we are looking at?

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I'll have to see if I can find it, but there is a quote from an early photography enthusiast from the 1800s, there is a different name for it, but he sees the technique as a new art form...ie, painting with light...and what he means is double-exposures and trick photography to create an imaginary world. And that image above is basically this...

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...except it's done using multiple exposures rather than models.
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rachel wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 12:35 pm I'm not a big one for advanced technologies. I do know there is excellent animatronics, but what I've seen, it tends to have to be attached to something, so it's not practical to move; therefore everything is in the cut. If they want to have something moving freely, then they have to move to a zero-gravity environment...ie, computer animation.
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Agree that advanced tech sounds unappealing. Maybe its a more fitting description to say hidden technology in the sense we are able to understand what type of technological advancement would be needed -or could have happened. Like how advanced Airships could be today if we had pursued that avenue of development for instance. Or how airplanes might actually use air-compression turbines to propel high altitude flight.
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In the realm of wireless technology we can very well imagine controlling airplanes and cars remotely. So i'm not sure to fully understand to what extent one would need to attach a submarine type vehicle to any form or power or guidance system. Water is actually a great medium to use with electric engine driven vessels who in turn are easily controlled remotely. Not much friction in water and less gravity.
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The electric motor was invented before the gasoline engine as well - first electric motor built in 1834, while the first practical gasoline engine is from 1876. The electric motor thus predates the gasoline engine over forty years. So the hidden technology that i would suggest might have been used for staging living giant whales would be electric engines - probably U-boat style to begin with as whales could thus be seen from afar break the surface of water, then dive down. Not much would be needed - up and down, blow some steam then back under.
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Of course we cannot know at what point faking the silhouette of a giant whale dipping up-down in water would have been possible. What is certain is that this type of stunt would be an obligation to pull off as soon as possible in the European re-discovery of the millions of years old Whale that was hiding away up in the extreme North for all this time before starting to land on our beaches and figuring in history and science books. And not to forget, featuring in literature and movies - documentaries included.
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The technological part of possibly faking the worlds biggest living animal is fascinating to me, as there are several layers to how the Master Masons would have to work in order to convince the public and unprivileged professionals. No doubt the close range evidence of dissection and use of the Whale as a ressource is a crucial part of the deception where it might be better discerned if there obvious signs of hoaxing. After all - even the 1892 whale "Hope' did produce its moneys worth of oil (2.4 tons), baleen and beef. To me the beef part of whales sounds a bit suspect. What if its actually beef ?
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8th September 1888: Peral, the first electric-powered submarine, launched by the Spanish navy - 2:38 (m:ss) - 1K views
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The Nautilus was built in Tilbury England by Messrs. Wolseley & Lyon and underwent trials in 1886. Her twin screws were powered by electric motors. She submerged by drawing the cylinders (A) into the hull thereby decreasing the displaced volume of the vessel. She surfaced by forcing the cylinders back out. US Patent 344,178 Granted to Andrew Campbell & James Ash in 1886 (Great Britain Patent 16915)
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