1996 Valujet 592 Plane Crash

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1996 Valujet 592 Plane Crash

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ValuJet Flight 592
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ValuJet_A ... Flight_592
ValuJet Airlines Flight 592 was a regularly scheduled flight from Miami International Airport to Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport. On May 11, 1996, the ValuJet Airlines McDonnell Douglas DC-9 operating the route crashed into the Everglades about 10 minutes after taking off from Miami as a result of a fire in the cargo compartment caused by improperly stored and labeled hazardous cargo. All 110 people on board died. The airline already had a poor safety record before the crash, and the accident brought widespread attention to the airline's problems. The airline was grounded for several months after the accident. When operations resumed, ValuJet was unable to attract the same amount of customers that it had before the accident. It acquired AirTran in 1997, but the lingering damage to the ValuJet name led ValuJet executives to assume the AirTran name.

Wiki goes on to tell us the plane was 27 years old at the time of the accident. Hmm, yes. Interesting the people said to be on the flight.
None of the 110 passengers or crew on board survived the accident. Additionally, recovery of the aircraft and victims was made extremely difficult by the location of the crash. The nearest road of any kind was more than a quarter mile (400 m) away from the crash scene, and the location of the crash itself was a deep-water swamp with a floor of solid limestone. The aircraft was destroyed on impact, with no large pieces of the fuselage remaining. Sawgrass, alligators, and risk of bacterial infection from cuts plagued searchers involved in the recovery effort.

According to the NTSB's report, two witnesses fishing nearby testified that "they saw a low-flying airplane in a steep right bank. According to these witnesses, as the right bank angle increased, the nose of the airplane dropped and continued downward. The airplane struck the ground in a nearly vertical attitude."

They reported seeing no external damage or any sign of fire or smoke other than the engine exhaust. A group of sightseers in a small private plane also witnessed the crash and provided a nearly identical account, stating that Flight 592 seemed to "disappear" after hitting the swamp and they could see nothing but scattered small debris, part of an engine, and a large pool of jet fuel near the crash site.

Names of victims on memorial stone
Names of victims on memorial stone

Notable passengers killed on the flight included:
  • San Diego Chargers running back Rodney Culver
  • Songwriter and musician Walter Hyatt
  • DelMarie Walker, 38, the prime suspect in a murder in Georgia
Recovery of the passengers and crew took several weeks, and little in the way of intact human remains was found due to the sheer violence of the impact, immersion in swamp water, and scavenging by wildlife. About 68 of the 110 persons aboard the plane were identified, in some cases from examining jawbones, and at least one individual from a single tooth. A piece of torn flesh was proven to belong to First Officer Hazen, but Captain Kubeck's remains were never found. Due to the above-mentioned factors, performing toxicology tests on the passenger and crew remains to determine how much exposure they would have had to fumes and smoke from the in-flight fire was not possible.

And here we get to the bit about monument, built for free and this is where we get to chalkbodyoutline's video. He had other ones on it, but since the censorship he takes a more low profile on the conspiracy front.

1996 Valujet 592 Plane Crash 9/11 Connection

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On the third anniversary of the accident, in 1999, a memorial was dedicated to the victims in the Everglades. The memorial, consisting of 110 concrete pillars, is located just north of Tamiami Trail, about 12 miles west of Krome Avenue in Miami-Dade County. It points to the location of the crash site 12 miles to the north-northeast. Students from the American Institute of Architecture designed the memorial, and local contractors, masons, and labor unions built it for free.

Everglades memorial
Everglades memorial
Looking across the memorial eastward
Looking across the memorial eastward

In a June 4, 2013, Miami Herald article, a local resident stated that while slogging through the sawgrass several months earlier, he found a partially melted gold pendant in the same area, which is thought possibly to be from either the ValuJet crash or the crash of Eastern Air Lines Flight 401, which had occurred about 2 miles (3.2 km) from the ValuJet crash site.

Grabs from the 1996 Valujet 592 Plane Crash 9/11 Connection video. The monument is in the shape of an arrow and it points the the location of the crash site, 11.9 miles NNE.

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On Google Maps, the location coordinates, but it also points to New York.

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What's interesting about the wiki entry, someone has taken out the coordinates of the crash site. I've just look back randomly at 11 October 2017 revision of the page, under the...
On the third anniversary of the accident, in 1999, a memorial was dedicated to the victims in the Everglades. The memorial, consisting of 110 concrete pillars, is located just north of Tamiami Trail at 25°45′42.61″N 80°40′19.30″W, about 11.9 miles west of Krome Avenue in Miami-Dade County and points to the location of the crash site 11.9 miles to the north-northeast. Students from the American Institute of Architecture designed the memorial, and local contractors, masons, and labor unions built it for free.

In a June 4, 2013, Miami Herald article, a local resident stated that while slogging through the sawgrass several months earlier, he found a partially melted gold pendant in the same area, which is thought possibly to be from either the ValuJet crash or the crash of Eastern Air Lines Flight 401, which had occurred about 2 miles (3.2 km) from the ValuJet crash site.

The flight number "592" was retired from the use of ValuJet operations. Following the AirTran/ValuJet merger the year after the crash, the flight number "592" was retired from all future AirTran operations, and when AirTran was integrated into Southwest Airlines at the end of 2014, flight number 592 was retired from the SWA system as well.
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Continuing, Drew says it was when he was looking at the ground level pictures it dawned on him what he was seeing. It's an animation of the towers falling cast in stone in 1999.

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Not only that. In the negative space of the arrow, which points to the location of the WTC towers, is the image of the Freedom Tower....Again, the monument was built for free in 1999.

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ValuJet Flight 592 Memorial
https://www.theglobalwanderess.com/valu ... -memorial/



Location of Monument:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/25°45 ... 2028?hl=en

ValuJet Flight 592 Crash Site:
Coordinates: 25°54'50"N 80°34'50"W
http://wikimapia.org/1394360/ValuJet-Fl ... Crash-Site

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/25.65 ... m2!4m1!3e4
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Date: May 11, 1996
Location: Everglades, Miami, Florida
Aircraft: McDonnell Douglas DC-9-32
Reg: N904VJ
Airline: ValuJet
Flight No: 592
Fatalities: 110 : 110

The wreckage of a Valujet DC-9 lies beneath this sawgrass swamp near Miami Florida. The plane crashed after an uncontrollable fire broke out in the cargo hold which resulted from illegally transported oxygen generators lacking safety caps.
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So I measured from the name plaque at the Valujet 592 Plane Crash memorial to the Centre point of the One World Trade Centre. And as near as the distortions on the ground view, the allow is pointing to the OWTC. Fancy that.

Total distance 1.10147 mi or 1,772.65 km.

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Valujet end: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@25.76189 ... a=!3m1!1e3
OWTC end: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@40.71230 ... a=!3m1!1e3
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Here's a link to an article from 22/5/1996 about the plane crash.
https://web.archive.org/web/20210702154 ... story.html

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Divers hoping to uncover the secrets of ValuJet Flight 592 in the black water of the Ever-glades crash crater emerged on Tuesday with the worst possible news: "There is no aircraft in the pit. There is no airplane left."

Instead, Metro-Dade police diver Paul Toy found tiny pieces of airplane buried within the silt and muck, fragmented parts and slivers of aluminum skin, none bigger than a 3 by 6-foot tabletop.

There are no major pieces of the DC-9's fuselage nestled in the crater, no sweeping sections of wing.

If the remains of any of the 110 victims rest there, they suffered the same damage as the plane that carried them.

"There will be no victims recovered from the pit," Toy said.

Most disappointing of all for crash investigators, there still is no sign of the cockpit voice recorder, the "black box" that could provide the snatches of conversation by the flight crew in their last seconds aloft on May 11.

"I did a zigzag back and forth, covering the whole pit," Toy said. "What I found were fragmented parts."

The disappointment was all the worse because of the long wait for special suits to protect them from the natural bacteria of the Everglades and the jet fuel and hydraulic fluid that float on the water's surface.

When Toy slipped into the water at 9:11 a.m. Tuesday for his 95-minute dive, he hoped to find substantial pieces of the airplane, strong clues to the cause of the crash.

But in Toy's first few minutes within the teardrop-shaped crater, it was clear that it held only small pieces of wreckage similar to those that search crews had already recovered.

"Once I got out of my cloud of dust there, I was able to see inside the pit," Toy said. He found no answers.

"Our diving in the pit is over," Sgt. Nelson Rodriguez said.

Still, there is a possibility the divers could be back. It all depends on how the National Transportation Safety Board decides to proceed with its investigation.

"That [dive) group was there to survey the area, to take a look for us," said Pat Cariseo, an NTSB spokesman. "Their report obviously does not mean that the effort isn't ongoing. We still want to find pieces of the wreckage. And the cockpit voice recorder, obviously that's very important."

The NTSB is considering several methods of searching through the muck, including bringing in a large backhoe to scoop up the mud and dump it on a platform so search crews can sift through it by hand.

And it's a certainty that search crews will be back in the marsh on foot, slogging through the sawgrass to look for the remains of the DC-9 and its passengers.

But to fully examine the crash crater, seven feet deep in some places, the NTSB will need divers.

"We have some indications there may be some substantial pieces down there," Cariseo said.

Because of the composition of the crater, much of it filled with three to four feet of the softest silt, the divers' work will be difficult.

Toy used his hands and feet and a four-foot gaff to survey it on Tuesday. When his movements stirred up the silt, he groped blindly.

"Putting your hand up in front of your face, you couldn't see it," he said.

But when the silt settled, Toy said, he had a good view of the pit, and the devastating impact of the crash.

He found the site where the DC-9 speared into the earth, an area about 15 feet by 15 feet where a foot to 18 inches of limestone that underlies the muck had been blasted out.

"All there is at the bottom of the pit is limestone. There is no large hole," Toy said. "I was digging up limestone rocks that were about basketball size that looked like they were fragmented on initial impact."

With every step, Toy felt bits of wreckage beneath his feet, but not the large pieces he sought.

That's exactly what Curtis Richardson expected.

Richardson, a Duke University researcher who studies the Everglades, thinks Flight 592 speared through three to four feet of muck and smashed apart on the limestone below.

"I think it basically disintegrated when it hit the ground ... like broken glass," he said.

Locating the wreckage will require a foot-by-foot search, Richardson said.

Can that be done quickly, or is the search likely to stretch on for months and months?

"It depends on how much they want to recover," Richardson said.
Quite a few reductions to sixes and nines, and quite obviously 9/11 in 1996.
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Let's have an updated look at the 1996 Valujet crash, see if there is anything the jumps out at me that I wasn't aware of in 2022.

The Valujet Flight 592 Disaster
11 Oct 2023
On a clear day in 1996, ValuJet Airlines 592 plummeted into the Florida Everglades, just minutes after takeoff. Why did this happen? This video will explain why this was just the latest in a string of disasters for this troubled airline.

Learn how cost cutting endangered the safety of passengers and crew, and how this tragedy could have been prevented.

Well, we have this one right out of the blocks. Something to add to the Yellow & Blue thread.

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We find out the aircraft was a McDonald Douglas dc9, and was 27 years old at the time of the accident. It was previously flown by DELTA Airlines, then was retired and returned to McDonald Douglas, it was subsequently sold again in 1993 to ValuJet. Do we remember another significant event happening in 1993? ...Here's a guess.

The preliminary 1993 "bombing" of the World Trade Center

If you've read some of my latest posts, I suspect the WTC 1993 bombing was likely a major fire drill to test a real-world building evacuation with smoke from fires and a power cut. The resulting report most likely was used as a basis to legally condemn the towers. That's a long lead in time, but that might be due to lease contracts and the stripping of the buildings. Anyway, 1993 is a significant year to look for the beginning of other activities.

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ValuJet was apparently founded in 1992, it purchased a number of second-hand planes and used contractors for maintenance and other services. So likely a shell company. And if we look at the logo, it doesn't look like a real business. I mean, someone putting their own money into an enterprise, thinking, "I need to design a corporate identity", and then signing that off. It's a cartoon, and we all know what cartoons are code for. So likely, taxpayer money was used to set it up.

It apparently quickly acquired a reputation for its lack of safety. Well, that confirms the above thesis. That's a handy photo.

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In 1995, the Federal Aviation Administration wanted the airline grounded. On the afternoon of May 11th, 1996, the Douglas dc9 took off after a delay of just over an hour due to mechanical problems...they are double masking...because I believe it was a fire due to improperly stored oxygen tanks. But let's continue.

I'm listening to the commentary as I type. I'm 1:30 in. So at 2:10 pm, six minutes into the flight, passengers started to smell smoke. How would they know passengers smelt smoke six minutes in? ...But we do know if we minus 6 from 10 we get 4...so that would be a take off time of 2:04 pm...maybe a 44..?

So there was a bang, and then one of the flight attendants opened the cockpit door to inform the captain there was a fire in the passenger cabin. What would you do if you were on a plane and you saw a fire? There is only one choice, everyone near it would attempt to put it out. They'd be taking their coats and bashing it, throwing their non-alcoholic drinks at it. But instead, shouts of "fire, fire, fire!" could be heard on the recording. Back in the real world, maybe screaming "pass me the water", "get a coat".

At 2:13 pm the flight disappeared from radar. Then the usual cartoon dynamics described by eyewitnesses, the plane banked sharply, rolled onto its side (in the air?), then nose dived into the Everglades at a speed in excess of 507 mph 816 km/hour. What speed was the second plane that hit the tower?

All 110 dead, no bodies found, some flesh, no autopsies.

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That looks like a toy helicopter to me on a bit of a swampy field.

In 1999, on the third anniversary of the disaster, a memorial was dedicated to the victims. Get this, consisting of 110 concrete pillars, one for each floor...oh sorry...I mean one for each victim. The memorial points to the location of the crash site, actually 11.9 miles away...in 1999.

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This video looks to have a bit more in-depth info, including an actual advert from ValuJet.

Flammable Cargo: The Valujet 592 Air Crash | Short Documentary
25 Nov 2023
ValuJet Airlines Flight 592 was a regularly scheduled flight from Miami to Atlanta.

On 11th May, 1996, a ValuJet Airlines McDonnell Douglas DC-9 crashed into the Everglades about 10 minutes after departing Miami....

We have a more precise date. The company was founded in 1992, but didn't start operations until October 1993. It had one second hand aircraft. Later expanding to 15 planes.

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I'm trying to work out from the advert, does the cartoon plane bank sharply, rolled onto its side, then nose dive? Because that's what both videos state about the crash, quoting the same words exactly. The $89 kind of hides it, but it does appear to be heading downwards when it is covered.

So the accident happened on May 11, 1996, and ValuJet was grounded by the FAA on June 16, that would be 36 DAYS later. so that's a 6&7 and a 666 if you like NUMBERWANG! Then was allowed to re-start flying on September 30, thats a 999. 106 day later, 142 days after the crash. The company went public in June 1994.

The company had to stump up 2 million dollars in fines and pay 9 million dollars in restitution. Those would be the numbers, wouldn't they?

I've got to add this, it's too funny. How can you look at that and not conclude it's a massive piss take.


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cracking post rachel
lots of anchors that wouldnt get noticed till thirty years later ,and it does seem the crash description is taken from the advert
a perfect example of using familiarity in the origin of what i now consider an aviation hoax !

am i baissaed because of this method and use of 911 numbers ,yep !!
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Best impact crater ever, far superior to Shanksville. What a hoax.
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