Re: Baha'i movers & shakers
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 1:07 pm
Good to see you @xileffilex. Very interesting, you know the family apparently had David Kelly's body moved to a secret location. Well the reports below say he was secretly cremated exactly 14 years after his death.
Body of Iraq weapons inspector David Kelly moved by family after conspiracy theorists leave placards at grave
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 25731.html
Here's another take...
DODGY DOSSIER DOC RIDDLE Was David Kelly’s secret exhumation an act of mass deception? Mystery cremation deepens murky Iraq war controversy
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4831665/d ... cremation/
It reminds me of Labour during COVID, the only counter narrative to the Conservatives was, HARDER, DEEPER. So because of people wanting him exhumed, I wonder if that was genuine campaign against Tony Blair, the decision was taken to end the story once and for all. And we have the Sun going with a conspiracy about there being a secret cremation.
Interestingly, he was apparently buried in the Church of England grounds of St Mary's Church Longworth, Oxfordshire.
I had a little look at the law about exhuming bodies. Generally it for multi-person plots, or to move bodies into multi-person grave. But you can have a cremation.
https://lawexplores.com/exhuming-the-dead/#fn7_30
Bahá'í Funerals
https://www.paulwilliamsfunerals.co.uk/ ... h-funerals
Interesting he was found...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3076801.stm
HARROWDOWN HILL is in the district of VALE OF WHITE HORSE, postcode for those who like numerology is OX13 5ET.
St Mary's Church Longworth is Church Lane, Longworth, Abingdon, OX13 5DY.
The two places are about ten minutes walk from each other according to Google Maps.
OX is 66 and 13 and 5 52 ... (or is it SET?)
and St Mary's - 66 and 13 and 5 47
Body of Iraq weapons inspector David Kelly moved by family after conspiracy theorists leave placards at grave
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 25731.html
The body of the late David Kelly, a weapons inspector who became central to the infamous "dodgy dossier" claims about the Blair government's case for war in Iraq, has been dug up and removed after claims that campaigners “desecrated” his grave.
Dr Kelly’s family said they decided to exhume the body after people who refuse to accept Dr Kelly took his own life left placards next to his grave in St Mary’s parish church, in Longworth, Oxfordshire.
According to The Sunday Times, the body was taken somewhere else, and is “understood to have been cremated”.
Here's another take...
DODGY DOSSIER DOC RIDDLE Was David Kelly’s secret exhumation an act of mass deception? Mystery cremation deepens murky Iraq war controversy
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4831665/d ... cremation/
First, it is clear a cloak of secrecy has been thrown over the matter of Dr Kelly’s alleged cremation.
When The Sun enquired at the South Oxfordshire Crematorium, a spokesman refused to confirm if any cremation had taken place there, adding: “I’ve been told I’m not allowed to discuss this with anybody.”
The JFK group believe the State had a hand in the exhumation.
And assuming the remains were cremated, the real question is, why?
The key fact to remember is that David Kelly was not an ordinary civil servant. He was a world expert in the field of biological warfare and a key figure to Tony Blair’s government in the run-up to the Iraq War.
It reminds me of Labour during COVID, the only counter narrative to the Conservatives was, HARDER, DEEPER. So because of people wanting him exhumed, I wonder if that was genuine campaign against Tony Blair, the decision was taken to end the story once and for all. And we have the Sun going with a conspiracy about there being a secret cremation.
Interestingly, he was apparently buried in the Church of England grounds of St Mary's Church Longworth, Oxfordshire.
I had a little look at the law about exhuming bodies. Generally it for multi-person plots, or to move bodies into multi-person grave. But you can have a cremation.
https://lawexplores.com/exhuming-the-dead/#fn7_30
So it's fine according to English law in principle, but it's not fine in Baha'i law. I remembered wrongly a 10 mile rule, it's based on travelling distance. A body has to be buried within an hour's travelling distance, I guess based on walking, so that would theoretically be a little under a ten mile radius.Where human remains were originally buried in ground consecrated by the Church of England, any subsequent displacement requires the grant of a faculty in accordance with ecclesiastical law. Thus exhumation of a corpse or ashes from a Church of England churchyard or the consecrated part of a municipal cemetery is dependent on permission from the Chancellor of the consistory court for the diocese in which the grave is located. Removal and reinterment of the remains in exactly the same place (for example, to deepen the existing grave to allow further burials) requires a faculty. More often, the underlying purpose will be reinterment in a different plot in the same or other consecrated ground, or moving the remains to unconsecrated ground. Other possibilities include exhuming a body to cremate it, or previously interred ashes to rebury, scatter or keep them. However, where the remains are going to be exhumed, to and for what underlying purpose will determine whether or not a faculty will be granted.
Bahá'í Funerals
https://www.paulwilliamsfunerals.co.uk/ ... h-funerals
In Bahá'í Law, the deceased is to be buried no more than one hour's journey from the place of death. The length of time between death and the burial is unspecified in the Bahá'í writings, though Bahá'u'lláh's says that "the sooner the burial taketh place, the more fitting and preferable."
If no Bahá'í cemetery is available, the deceased may be buried in any cemetery. The position of the body in the grave should be with its feet pointing toward the Qiblih, or toward Akka and Bahá'u'lláh's Own Resting-Place. It is common in most cemeteries for this provision to be observed, as it is an element of Christian belief regarding the Day of Judgement...
...Bahá'ís are not to be embalmed or cremated; the body be treated with great respect and it is to be allowed to decompose naturally, with no means used to hasten its decomposition. After death, the body is to be washed carefully and wrapped in a shroud. The funeral home can provide an appropriate location for someone to perform this service.
Interesting he was found...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3076801.stm
The discovery was made at 0920 BST by a member of the police team searching for Dr Kelly in a wooded area at Harrowdown Hill, near Faringdon.
HARROWDOWN HILL is in the district of VALE OF WHITE HORSE, postcode for those who like numerology is OX13 5ET.
St Mary's Church Longworth is Church Lane, Longworth, Abingdon, OX13 5DY.
The two places are about ten minutes walk from each other according to Google Maps.
OX is 66 and 13 and 5 52 ... (or is it SET?)
and St Mary's - 66 and 13 and 5 47