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I took the plan pictures from a New York Times article which is rather interesting because it is a study on how the Baha'is misdirect. So whatever happened in that field on Sept. 11, 2001, all sources outside the official one and its henchmen agree a passenger jet did not crash in that field.

An indication of how much plane debris there should have been at the site
An indication of how much plane debris there should have been at the site

Now, I've just taken the minimum amount of data to formulate my theory, so there might be evidence that exists to prove the ideas in this thread wrong. Saying that, I don't believe these people ever set up hoaxes for no reason, they have a reason, then they create a false narrative to hide that reason. This is ALWAYS true. So for me, the lack of actual staging in Shanksville, the missing plane for Building 7 and the BBC reporting Building 7 collapsed before it happened means something did go wrong. We know there were official airforce manoeuvres that day, so we have another reason, by probability, to assume something military happened in that field that day causing the narrative that first Flight 93 was shot down, then probably because that story is bad optics, the more heroic, the passengers brought the plane down; which I always dismissed as utter nonsense. If you think about how much information anyone on a plane has, you don't know what the person directly in front of you is doing, never mind the pilot. And at that point in time there was no communication with the outside world when on a plane, any people in the air would have no clue of the events happening that day. Only in movies do the bad guys spill the beans before completing the plan.

Back to the article, we have bickering between relatives of the 40 victims. So we can read into this, the controllers are doing something they see as blatantly obvious, so they want to shift the blame to another party before anyone even looks at the evidence. They do this by having ONE OUTSPOKEN VOICE they can then shoot down. In doing this they CREATE THE BOX you are allowed to discuss and argue about, and they keep themselves outside that box so they are invisible. Because I looked at the site before this article, I know the architecture is in keeping with the other Baha'i shines, I know which cabal is responsible for the design, but let's look at the article.

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/05/us/05memorial.html
Critics See Symbols of Islam in Flight 93 Memorial Design

By SEAN D. HAMILL
May 5, 2008

SOMERSET, Pa. As envisioned by its designer, the memorial to the victims who died on Sept. 11, 2001, when United Flight 93 crashed into a field near Shanksville, Pa., would follow the topography of the bowl-shaped land, creating a circular pathway ringed by trees, all focused on the “sacred ground” of the crash site near the bottom of the circle.

But almost from the moment the winning entry for the memorial was chosen in 2005 over 1,058 others it has been beset by controversy, most of it coming from critics who see Islamic symbolism in the design.

The critics complain that the shape of the memorial designed by Paul Murdoch, an architect based in Los Angeles is an Islamic crescent, that a wind-chime tower mirrors an Islamic minaret and that the memorial would point east toward the Islamic holy city of Mecca.

The complaints gained traction recently because Tom Burnett Sr., the father of a Flight 93 victim, has become one of the most prominent opponents.

“It’s really revolting to me, this whole thing,” said Mr. Burnett, a retired high school English teacher from Northfield, Minn. “It’s an insult to my son and all the others.”

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On Saturday, five people told members of the Flight 93 Memorial Task Force and the Flight 93 Advisory Committee that the design should be scrapped because of what they saw as Islamic symbolism. One of those speakers, Harry Beam, a retired Army lieutenant colonel, presented petitions with 5,300 signatures opposing the design to members of the Flight 93 boards, who were holding a quarterly meeting.

Mr. Beam, from Johnstown, Pa., had helped Mr. Burnett and others collect the signatures. The opponents are hoping to persuade members of Congress to investigate or to try to generate enough public support to stall or stop the project.

Mr. Beam, who has no direct connection to Flight 93, told the boards that his father died earlier in the day but that he attended the meeting anyway to demonstrate how strongly he, and others, feel about the issue.

“They all believe there’s no place for Islamic symbolism or anything that would elevate the status of the terrorists,” Mr. Beam said.

Mr. Murdoch, the designer, said in an interview Sunday that there was no open or hidden Islamic symbolism in his design, which has widespread support among many relatives of the Flight 93 victims.

“The forms that the design uses come out of the forms of the land,” Mr. Murdoch said. “The framing of that space is like a large-scale embrace, on a scale commensurate of the heroic acts of the people who died there.”

A revised plan, with trees added to close the gap in the crescent. The designer said he included no Islamic symbols
A revised plan, with trees added to close the gap in the crescent. The designer said he included no Islamic symbols

Mr. Murdoch said he was not troubled by the design’s opponents because “that’s someone else’s distraction.”

Sandra Felt, whose husband, Edward, died on Flight 93, said she could not fathom why people continued to see Islamic symbolism in the design.

“The land speaks for itself,” she said. “It’s in the shape of an embrace.”


After initial complaints, the original design title, “Crescent of Embrace,” was changed to “Circle of Embrace.” Trees were also added to the plans to encircle the site and not leave a gap that created a crescent.

Ms. Felt told board members on Saturday that she strongly disagreed with the sentiment of the design critics.

“Wow. Such hate. I’m shocked,” she said, her voice choked with emotion. “When you insult the place and inflame events, I want you to know you hurt us, too.”

Memorial officials say that Mr. Burnett, and his wife, Beverly, are the only family members of victims who have spoken out against the design.

Despite the sentiments of Mr. Burnett and others, memorial officials said that they would move ahead with their plans, and that they still intended to have the $58 million first phase of the design completed by the 10th anniversary of Sept. 11.

HURTY WORDS...When you see it framed in those terms you know it is the NEW WORLD ORDER speaking. Though I do agree with the designer Mr Murdoch, there is no open or hidden Islamic symbolism in his design, it is instead completely Baha'i. But if we agree there is no evidence to suggest Flight 93 crashed in that field, then all THE VOICES above are fictional anyway. Unless you want to go with the theory that the plane landed safely, as reported on the day, and the people on it were escorted from it and then lined up against a wall and executed in order for them to have appeared to have died in that field. That is one actual possibility if some of these forty people were real people and died that day. I do not rule this out as an outlier, though the phone call part of the story tends to go against this because the family has to be in on the deception. But do you see the framing of the story to subconsciously attack ISLAM and CHRISTIANITY, the actual TWIN TOWERS that block the NEW WORLD ORDER.

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I think the pictures with the forensic people are just composite paste-ups, the scale of the people on them look really off. I put one next to a wood scene for comparison.

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If you look at the grass in the foreground and yellow tape and imagine one of those people walking there, how big would it be? How big is the fire truck compared to it? For me, clearly the truck is there for scale purposes only, it's been pasted in with the people to make it look like they are doing things to find out what happened. I was creating composite images in photoshop in 1996, easy done.

One of the big things they use in camera trickery is scale. This is why you cannot wholly trust any of the 1800s pictures truthers use to try to prove "mud flood". People have been using camera trickery as long as people have been using cameras. It is no coincidence that just at the time photography was being invented, Victorians suddenly acquired a taste for perfectly scaled doll's houses.

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Another one. What are they meant to be doing? And the way they are grouped, they look like stock image people.

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This crop better showing the size of foreground detail. Look at the grass and yellow tape in the foreground, how big are those people behind it? And if the argument is, its just distance making the people look small, then how big is that splintered branch in the tree behind them following the same perspective rule established by the foreground grass to people? Doesn't that branch become a major health and safety issue?

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Going by the previous picture, it wouldn't surprise me if those people have been halved in size to reality. Not to say I think they were ever there, but I bet taxpayers were charged for their work nether the less.

And this next image is perhaps the least believable, I was trying to think why. Three things. 1) The direction they are standing, particularly the 45 degree angle people and the way they are grouped. 2) The lighting on the people, it has a near source indoor feeling. 3) The texture in the crater, that really makes them look like extras in 'Honey, I Shrunk the Kids'.

Investigators examine the impact crater at the Flight 93 crash site, Shanksville, Pennsylvania, September 12, 2001
Investigators examine the impact crater at the Flight 93 crash site, Shanksville, Pennsylvania, September 12, 2001
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From a 2007 thread, some interesting nuggets of information.
https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread284389/pg2
I'm not saying there was no plane at the Flight 93 crash site.

BUT...

The characterization of the land where the plane crash has been distorted to support the disapprearing plane-in-the-dirt explanation. The land where the plane crashed was back-filled over 10 years before the crash with dirt, not sand. The machinery used to excavate the crater, and the corresponding photos shows pretty solid earth.

As far as it being an odd plane crash, it may be odd, but it wasn't unique. There were at least two other crashes, one in Denver, and one outside of Pittsbuegh (FL 427 I think?) that had a commercial jet nose-dive straight into the ground at full speed due to rudder problems. Photos of both these sites, and especially the craters, show large pieces of debris adjacent to the crater.

This site is totally unlike the Pentagon site. There was NO debris or burn marks surrounding the crater. None. Zero. There was a smoldering crater, and 6 inches beside the crater it didn't even look as if anything happened. The official story is that the plane totally buried itself, yet there were entirely intact items "found" in the woods, like a bible and a terrorist's red bandana.

There was also debris found 8 miles away in New Baltimore, as well as 2 miles away at Indian Lake, which seems odd for a plane that completely buried itself in the dirt. I don't recall reports of debris from the Pentagon crash being found 8 miles away, but I could have just missed those reports.

Again, this is not to say there was no plane. But I personally think of the 4 crashes this is the one crash where the physical evidence least matches the official story. This is also the crash with by far the fewest eye-witnesses. This is also the flight where the controllers were ordered out of three different control towers, and it's the Flight that the Mayor of Cleveland said had landed at the Cleveland airport.

And as we know, this is the crash whose passengers were said to launch the first counter-attack in the War on Terror.

Firstly, if we go back to the prototype crash I'm using, it begins with an air combat training exercise...
In one of the more bizarre stories about the F-106 ... on 2 February 1970, four F-106As flew out of Malmstrom AFB, Montana, to "mix it up" among themselves as an air combat training exercise; one Dart had to abort when its drag chute opened before take-off. During the resulting sequence of dogfights, one of the F-106As, piloted by First Lieutenant Gary Foust, went into a flat spin at altitude, and it wasn't easy to get the Dart out of a flat spin. Foust stayed with the machine, trying everything he could, but finally decided he was getting too low and ejected.

We know there was an air combat training exercise on 9/11 which has some interesting information I wasn't aware of...

8 Things You May Not Know About Our Air Defense on 9/11
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stori ... se-on-911/
...Two New York Air National Guardsmen who were at the Northeast Air Defense Sector (now just the Eastern Air Defense Sector) in rural Rome, New York, give a glimpse into the military's role that day. NEADS was tasked with searching for the missing planes and scrambling fighter jets in response to the attacks.

New York Air National Guard Maj. Jeremy Powell was a 31-year-old tech sergeant taking part in Exercise Vigilant Guardian when 9/11 occurred. He was the first military person to learn about the hijackings, having taken the initial call from the Federal Aviation Administration's Boston center. Master Sgt. Stacia Rountree was a 23-year-old senior airman working as an identification technician. Vigilant Guardian was her first major NORAD exercise.
So, quite apart from the 8 things I might not know which I'm yet to read, we have a MAJOR NORAD EXERCISE called 'Vigilant Guardian', I've got to laugh, anyone who has read any of my stuff on here should know who THE GUARDIAN is by now...

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Not only that, it just dawned on me, we have Maj Jeremy Powell, male, and Master Sgt Stacia Rountree, female, even in 2001 they have to right diversity into their narratives. And, even though the plane was swallowed up by the ground, "a bible and a terrorist's red bandana" escaped unhurt. I was thinking, how do we know the bandana belonged to one of the terrorists other than "Once upon a time..."; step in the phone calls made from the plane...

https://es.redskins.com/topic/26811-ot- ... headbands/
I've lately been reading about terrorism, and as a result, the 9-11 attacks. As we know, several passengers on Flight 93, which crashed in PA, supposedly made calls which included the following statements:
  • Jeremy Glick: “There’s three of them, Arab looking, possibly Iranian. They’ve got red headbands on, one of them is standing in the aisle wearing a red sash and bag round his waist. Says there’s a bomb in it.”
  • Air Hostess Sandy Bradshaw: “My aircraft has been hijacked by three guys with knives. One of them is sitting in the back row first class. They’ve got red bandannas on their heads and they’re Islamic-looking people. We are in the back galley boiling water to throw on them”.
The commonality between these statements is the description of the attackers wearing RED headbands and sashes. This made me think--not always a good thing!--and my end results didn't make me happy at all.

One must realize an important detail: the color of Islam is green. Whenever you see groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah wearing headbands, they are ALWAYS green. If there is a draped coffin of a so-called martyr, it's green. The most common color you see in Islamic flags is green--even bin Laden is usually seen wearing green with white robes. (His camo gear is green, of course, but if you've seen pictures of his bodyguards, they are wearing green headbands.) In short, Islamic terrorists and fighters NEVER wear red or red headbands.

Thus, I have come to following conclusions:

1. The attackers on Flight 93 were not Islamic-based terrorists.

Or

2. The calls that supposedly were made from flight 93 never happened, and whoever created the language for the transcripts didn't realize their mistake when they choose red for the headband color.

Interestingly in Islam men are not allowed to wear plain red garments; red and white mixed, yes, red and black mixed, yes. Well I go for option 3. The calls were made up, but the red wasn't a mistake, it has a subliminal message attached and it is designed to bend reality. I notice a direct link made via the "red bandana" from terrorist to hero, below.


The Scarlet Bandana The ‘Cause of Allah’ is also Justice and Equity
https://muslimwriters.org/2014/05/23/th ... nd-equity/
He wore a red bandana. Despite seeing the blood of those dying around him, he decided to go back into the smoky building. Despite the noise of the stricken building, his soothing voice calmed the injured. Despite being just a young 24-year-old among fleeing civilians, he was found buried among firefighters, emergency personnel, and other heroes. Despite the combustion and fumes, his body was found without burns, untouched by fire.

Welles Crowther wore that red bandana on September 11, 2001, and single-handedly saved over a dozen lives. On Thursday, May 15, the 9/11 Memorial Museum opened at ground zero. Rather than being a reflection on the lives lost that fateful day, the museum serves as a tribute to heroes, like Crowther, who were born that day. This museum “tells the story of how, in the aftermath of the attacks, our city, our nation and peoples from across the world came together, supporting each other through difficult times and emerging stronger than ever,” said Michael Bloomberg, former New York City mayor.

As President Obama aptly said, “Those we lost live on in us.” In the eyes of God, those who fall for justice do not die. As the Holy Qur’an proclaims, “Think not of those, who have been slain in the cause of Allah, as dead. Nay, they are living, in the presence of their Lord, and are granted gifts from Him” (3:170).

But are those who strive in “the cause of Allah” only Muslims? A reading of the Holy Qur’an would prove otherwise. This is a book that is not focused on labels, but rather on a person’s actions. As the Holy Qur’an elucidates, “Do you think that you would be left alone, while Allah has not yet known those of you who strive in the cause of Allah.”

Striving in the “cause of Allah” isn’t just for Muslims. As the Holy Qur’an states, “be steadfast in the cause of Allah, bearing witness in equity; and let not a people’s enmity incite you to act otherwise than with justice. Be always just, that is nearer to righteousness.” (5:9) The “cause of Allah” is to bear witness in equity, to act with nothing but justice even when others act with enmity and injustice. Despite the gross violence of others, Crowther and other heroes responded with justice. They still live with us.

Those who unjustly kill others die in history. In the eyes of God, “Surely, those who … seek to kill such men as enjoin equity — announce to them a painful punishment.” (3:22). Indeed, “whosoever killed a person — unless it be for killing a person or for creating disorder in the land — it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and whoso gave life to one, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind” (Holy Qur’an 5:33). A terrorist only kills himself. The blood of terrorists mars their own sinews while a scarlet bandana gives life to all of mankind.

I'm sorry, if you've spent any time reading Baha'i propaganda about itself then this stuff has the same stench to it. This is cognitive reframing, neuro linguistic programming, brainwashing. I'll give you another example...

Thomas Mair (or as I like to call him, TO-MASS-MARE, as in nightmare) and his red gloves.

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And you can't have Punch without Judy, JOKE-OX and her red dress.

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I was talking about the Vigilant Guardian airforce exercise that just happened to be running at the time the planes flew into the towers, and how it maybe mimics the 2 February 1970 dogfight exercise that led to the F-106 Delta Dart crash landing in a field. I've got the alleged flight path of Flight 93 below.

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Just to repeat from the last post...
Again, this is not to say there was no plane. But I personally think of the 4 crashes this is the one crash where the physical evidence least matches the official story. This is also the crash with by far the fewest eye-witnesses. This is also the flight where the controllers were ordered out of three different control towers, and it's the Flight that the Mayor of Cleveland said had landed at the Cleveland airport.

You've got to fancy Flight 93 did indeed land at Cleveland and the official story just connected the end of the real flight path to either an entirely fictional one, else to the flightpath of the aeroplane that actually crashed in that field that day. The controllers ordered out of the towers is damning; do we think, if they didn't see it, they could not perjure themselves under oath in any subsequent enquiry?

This next graphic is somewhat consistent with the direction of travel I have stated in the above posts and the sliding path on the ground in the field; and the wind matches what I figured must have caused the blackening on the tops of the trees.

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We can imagine the cadets on the exercise that day thought a real Islamic terror attack was happening, and no doubt it is a pressure that might have caused an error of judgement and a loss of a plane.
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Earlier in the thread I mentioned about the strange shapes in the trees.

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This is a frame taken from the video I posted at the start of this thread. The resolution on video from 2001 was low compared with today, so it's hard to make out if the shapes we see are really there. The thing with still images, even though they are better quality, they are much easier to seamlessly edit with photoshop, even in 2001. So again, we have these options.
  1. The official story that Flight 93 crashed here and was buried in the hole is true.
  2. No plane crash took place here and everything we see is a staged event.
  3. A non-server plane crash took place here of something like a US military jet, it didn't fit the narrative and could be disassembled and removed.
  4. A server plane crash took place here of something like a US military jet, it didn't fit the narrative so was hidden with military camouflage.
  5. The marks on the ground were made by US military vehicles and the plane crash is a cover to explain the markings.
So I'll bypass number 1 as we have that explanation, I don't think number 2 makes sense for one reason...

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Something brought those wires down. There also looks like there is an imprint in the leaf area directly behind it. We've looked at 3, so now I return to 4. Could those strange ladder looking shapes in the trees be real? Could they actually be a framework to hide the crashed plane?

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Is this an engine?

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It's interesting, like the two people in the previous shot with their back to the hole that apparently swallowed the plane, we have a guy in a purple shirt on the left peering into the woods, and a group on the right talking, their attention seemingly more focused in the tree direction.

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And again, what is the guy pointing at in the next shot? It appears to be in the same area the guy with the purple shirt was standing. Also, there is a better look at those ladder looking shapes.

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If it really was Flight 93, or an engine from Flight 93, having been shot down, why hide it?
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The 9/11 Phone Calls: Disturbing Irregularities Uncovered in the Calls that Flashed around the World
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 02531.html

The 9/11 Consensus Panel
NEW YORK, May 16, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- America first learned of the 9/11 hijackings from Solicitor-General Ted Olson, who reported two calls from his wife, well-known CNN commentator Barbara Olson.

From American Airlines Flight 77, Barbara Olson fleshed out the drama of diminutive Muslim hijackers using knives and box-cutters to herd dozens of passengers to the rear of the plane.

These and other reported calls have now been examined by the 9/11 Consensus Panel of scientists, pilots, professors, attorneys, and journalists.

The Panel began its research in 2011 with the Twin Towers and the sudden, stunning collapse of adjacent Building WTC7, a massive 47-storey steel-framed skyscraper.

The official conclusion that all 82 support columns failed simultaneously from fire alone has for years raised serious questions about the official account.

The 9/11 Consensus Panel now offers four evidence-based Points about the alleged phone calls from the 9/11 flights.

The famous "let's roll" drama of the passenger revolt on UA 93 was relayed by passenger Todd Beamer's 13-minute unrecorded seat-back call to GTE telephone supervisor Lisa Jefferson, who reported Beamer as strangely tranquil, declining to speak to his wife. Eerily, Beamer's line remained open for 15 minutes after the crash.

Oddly, the Verizon wireless record shows that 19 calls were made from Beamer's cell phone long after the crash of UA 93.

Initial media reports and FBI interviews detailed more than a dozen cell phone calls from the planes at high elevation.

Yet in 2001, a telephone spokesperson stated that sustained mobile calls were not possible above 10,000 feet.

During the 2006 Moussaoui Trial, the FBI (under oath) reduced the number of cell phone calls to two calls made from 5,000 feet, and presented evidence of only one (not two) "unconnected" call from Barbara Olson, lasting "0 seconds."

In another twist, two other women reported that Caller-ID showed their husband's cell numbers on their answering machines, which while lasting several minutes, had been made from elevations of 25,000 and 35,000 feet.

Finally, although the FBI conducted a massive investigation into the calls, none of the telephone billing, nor any of the cell phone location data stored in standard phone company records has been publicly released.
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