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In reply to: Shipping disasters
Well I never – it seems that someone in the UK read Miles Mathis’ recent paper on the Estonia hoax and SUBMITITED A FOI REQUEST TO THE UK GOVERNMENT!
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ms_estonia
from Graham Phillips who allegedly isa British journalist working on a new documentary about the MS Estonia
Well, we’re all journalists aren’t we?
Graham notes that the non-exploration agreement
The agreement was signed by Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Denmark, Russia and, strangely, Britain
Graham notes the mysterious, uncelebrated death of UK citizen JW Manning and the “survivor” P Barney – and that there were citizens from 17 countries recruited for this event, therefore the UK is not a special case.
The request:
Please can you confirm for me, did the UK really sign this 1995 Estonia Agreement, and if so, then why, as the UK has no obvious connection to this matter / situation.
My own suggestion is that the UK, and London in particular is the centre of shipping insurance and the “names” of Lloyds would need to be kept in the dark over the identity or state of what is allegedl to be lying at the bottom of the Baltic.
In reply to: Shipping disasters
Returning to the sinking of The Estonia in 1994, as discussed above, in March 2021 Miles Mathis has put out an excellent dive [sic] into the official story and has reached the conclusion that it was one big psy-op, perhaps for insurance reasons, involving possible switched identities [where haas that been posited before?]
Among the many ludicrous statements which the MSM takes at face value, Miles mentions this one…
Another clue is that 757 bodies are unaccounted for and are assumed to have gone down with the ship.
Over 86% of those onboard allegedly died, and 77% were never found. That is impossible to believe…Yes indeed.
And of course the wreck is off-limits to investigation in perpetuity.
In reply to: Shipping disasters
Returning to FAK158 I realise I never got round to scrutinising the all-important UK “survivor” from the MS Estonia, Paul Barney.
And reading between the lines of Heiwa’s blog I get the feeling that he accepts the official narrative that people died in the MS Estonia
http://heiwaco.tripod.com/news.htm
a variant on the 9/11 ‘don’t believe the official story’ routine but people really died.Hmmmm
Barney was widely quoted at the time. He seems to have a NE Indian wife
https://www.192.com/atoz/people/barney/lalhmachhuani/rg8/2793763234/
Paul Barney is the owner of Edulis Nursery, situated in a Victorian walled garden near Pangbourne, Berkshire. Paul has a special interest in a wide range of edible plants from all over the world, and also grows many unusual plants. He is also a landscape designer.
Tweets by PaulEdulis
https://www.edulis.co.uk/pages/about
[no mention of Estonia there **]
** however in 2011 in the Telegraph
His big break came when he did a garden for the record producer Trevor Horn. Things were looking good, but then on a trip hunting unusual willows in Scandinavia in 1994 Paul was shipwrecked on the Estonia, and found himself the only British survivor of one of the worst maritime disasters of the 20th century. “That was a bit of a setback,” he says calmly.
er, why a setback?
Edulis was set up the previous year in 1993
Several contemporary reports from Paul…
e.g NYT 9/30/94
“The boat lurched really severely,” said Paul Barney, an Englishman who was sleeping when the ship ran into trouble. “I was thrown off my bed and things started to slide in the cabin. I tried to make my way up to the exit but that got harder as the ship started to list more and more.”
When he reached the top deck, Mr. Barney said, there were no life jackets available. He said he made it into a lifeboat with 11 other people, but that only six of them survived as they spent seven hours in the rough seas waiting to be rescued.
“Hope was beginning to disappear because the weather got really severe,” he said of the long hours until a pilot saw them at daybreak. “There were seven- and eight-feet waves coming over us. Every time we got slightly warmer, we got drenched again.”UPI Sept 29 1994
Paul Barney, 35, was one of those saved by the [diverted Viking Line ferry en route from Stockholm to Helsinki] Mariella crew. ‘The moon was up, and I saw a life raft. I managed to swim to it. I was so thankful I was able to get on the raft, even though it was upside down and filled with water,’ he said. Of about a dozen people on the raft, only six survived the next hour or so until the Mariella arrived. ‘It was horrible, but I felt I wasn’t finished with life. ”And from The Independent on the first anniversary…
When Barney first came back to Britain he was the man who wanted others be rescued first before him. He was the Brit who tried to save a dying Estonian girl….He had an affair….buying his own house, with the compensation money….. he is off again travelling…
or The Week Feb 13 2009 with a finely crafted narrative
On Sept. 28, 1994, Paul Barney was making an overnight trip from Estonia to Sweden by car ferry. To save around $40, the 35-year-old British landscape architect had decided against taking a cabin below deck and instead planned to camp out in one of the open spaces of the sprawling 15,000-ton ship. Around 11 p.m., as the ship, christened the Estonia, pushed into a storm, he settled down with his sleeping bag in a perfect spot inside the cafe on Deck 5, at the vessel’s stern. He awoke around 1 a.m. to a sudden bang.
The ship was listing dramatically to its right. Tables and chairs began to slide. At first, Barney wondered if the vessel had run aground. Then he realized that the ferry wasn’t swaying and that the tilt of the deck was steadily increasing. “So I thought, We’ve got to do something about that,” he says.
Barney was always pretty good at what he calls “orienting” himself. He decided the best place to get more solid footing and figure out an escape plan was the doorway between the cafe and the promenade deck. As the ship tipped even more, he maneuvered around the door frame to stay standing. From this precarious perch, he attempted to redraw a mental map of the ship, but his brain struggled to keep up with so much confusing information. With dishes and glasses crashing everywhere, he knew one thing for sure: The boat wasn’t suddenly going to right itself. There wasn’t any lifesaving equipment around, and the captain and crew weren’t providing any emergency instructions. “I realized that this was quite a desperate situation,” Barney says, “and I was quite likely to die.”
Barney expected to see passengers scrambling for their lives. He imagined scenes of bedlam, with people clawing for life preservers and fighting for the lifeboats. Instead, he encountered something truly strange: Many fellow passengers seemed unable to do anything at all. “People were just not moving,” he says. “They were frozen to the spot, almost waiting to be told what to do.” As the lights flicked on and off, they looked like marble statues, pale and immovable.
“Why don’t they do something?” he asked an Estonian man who was sharing the door frame with him as the ship listed ever more steeply.
“Just don’t think about it,” the man replied.
That man didn’t make it to a lifeboat, but Barney did. After pulling some warm clothes from his backpack and taking off his boots—(he didn’t want to end up wearing them in the water), he clambered upward on a latticework of ceiling pipes and vents and found himself standing alone atop the massive hull of the side-turned Estonia. A half-moon cast some light on his surreal surroundings. Despite gale-force winds and waves crashing from every direction, he was able to creep 500 feet across the porthole-pocked surface of the ship to join a group of passengers who were launching an inflatable life raft.
Of the 16 who boarded the raft, 10 died of hypothermia that night.
Hmmm, originally 12 in a lifeboat, of which 6 died…
and in 2005 a good old conspiracy story at the New Statesman, supporting the nearly 900 deaths narrative, but based on a verifiable fact that…
The subsequent Estonia Agreement 1995 sought to prevent any exploration of the wreck, which lies in international waters. The agreement was signed by Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Denmark, Russia and, strangely, Britain, which has no obvious connection to the Baltic. One Briton, John Manning **, died in the disaster; a second, Paul Barney of Pangbourne, Berkshire, survived after swimming to an upturned raft and clinging on in stormy seas until he was rescued.
Other non-Baltic countries with passengers on the ferry did not become signatories to the treaty. Two requests under the Freedom of Information Act to the Foreign Office in London, for background and briefing papers on why Britain signed the treaty, have produced no reply.
What caused the secrecy about the disaster and why was Britain so closely involved?
Perhaps because #NDNGH
** John William Manning died Sept 28 1994; Grant of probate without will, Leeds, December 9 1997 [born 1931, aged 63, a typical retirement age profile.
from the list of deadThe annual mass grieving event, 2018, 24th anniversary
https://news.err.ee/864942/gallery-victims-of-ms-estonia-sinking-remembered-in-tallinnIn reply to: Greek F-16 Crash
The Estonian girlfriend of “lovely lad” Paul is already in Australia.
not as a singer we hope [see comment below video]
Hospitality Professional Sydney Area, Australia
https://au.linkedin.com/pub/anneli-tiirik/6b/841/21More nonsense – the mother lives in Spain
He had just finished his first year at the college and had taken a few days holiday with friends in Barcelona, before flying back to the UK via Dusseldorf to meet his family.
Paul’s mother Carol lives in Majorca and is currently in the UK, having flown here to meet with Paul. Which is where Paul seems to live also.
https://www.airbnb.co.uk/users/show/1487293Hey, I’m Paul!
Palma de Mallorca, Balearic Islands, Spain · Member since December 2011(Me) Paul Bramley, 26 years old, English, Lives in Mallorca,
(Girlfriend) Anneli Tiirik 21 years old, Estonian, Lives with me in Mallorca, studying vocal training.
Might have been easier for her to have met him in Barcelona.
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