May 26, 2015 at 9:31 pm #277214
Joan Baez was switched in 1966. In 1965, she looks like a genuine Mexican American. Beginning in 1966, I see a different one. The switch coincides perfectly with the change in the perception of the U.S. antiwar movement. Most American have no idea of the anti-war movement was like in 1965. The movement consisted of white middle class and college professors, articulate, clean and well mannered.
The anti war movement switched from the college campuses to the image of “hippies” and radicals. The image of an anti-war protester is a long haired hippie, wild eyed radicals or Black Panthers. And phony folkies like Richard Farina, and Cornel/ U.S. Navy man Thomas Punchon. These PSYOPs coopted and discredited real activists.
IMHO, Joan Baez was a victim to this sinister switch…
Here is the real Joan Baez
Hauntingly beautiful. Pay attention to the eyes mostly (and to the shape and size of the face). Real Joan is half Mexican half Caucasian. You can see traces of Native American blood in her face. The real Joan Baez had an Amerindian type of face and skin tone, from her father’s Mexican ancestry.
Here she is again 1965
Study the real Joan in the above links.
Once it is set in your mind, here is the double.
Here is another video of an impostor.
The replacement eyes are rounder, much darker and closely set . The eyes have that special cherry-like oily shine. Real Joan’s eyes are more almond-shaped, widely-set, so called “languid eyes” that look much lighter even at b/w photos. Also real Joan’s face is bigger and longer oval-shaped, when the replacement’s face (head) is smaller. The nose tip shape is different too, you can see it on all the comps.May 26, 2015 at 10:46 pm #277312
I had trouble with the above links so here is a short version.
Real Joan 1965
The impostor. 1968
This second video below is obviously not the same woman in the first two, The face, voice…a different person.May 28, 2015 at 11:46 pm #279718
Not exactly Goldbuggery but the celebrity replacement theory has always relied on very weak arguments and very vague visual evidence- People do age and people in show business get work done all the time- Faces change, voices change (Exhibit A: Frank Sinatra- as suspicious a show biz tool as there ever was- Replaced or aged to death? Very much the latter unless your confirmation bias has overridden common sense)- Photographic equipment and lighting can change a person’s face from shot to shot- This replacement theory is a barnacle that has attached itself to the very real evidence that show business is for the most part run by and staffed by intelligence assets- To overstate the case by arguing that one asset has been replaced by a similar looking asset is really gilding the lily- It takes work, say, like Dave McGowan’s and steers it towards Bigfoot territory (Or flat earth arguments-Ahem!)May 29, 2015 at 7:01 pm #280641
Joan Baez wrote in her autobiography, And a Voice to Sing With (Signet, 1987), that when she was a young girl, “most of the bright young Stanford scientists went off to Los Alamos, New Mexico, where the atomic bomb was being developed. My father recognized the potential destructive power of the unleashed atom even in those early days. So he took a job as a research physicist at Cornell University in Ithaca, New York.” Cornell was the home base of the CIA’s mind control experiments.
@Blue Moon, with all due respect, I believe you are underestimating how deep the hustle goes. Photographic evidence alone is not enough form a conclusion, to rely on it solely does violence to the issue. You must go beneath the surface and explore the constellation of people behind the replacement. More importantly, you must examine the politics the replacement serves. I am merely showing one technique for Fakeologists to explore.
Furthermore, to cite David McGowan only proves my point. Take McGowan’s Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon (WSIC) template of entertainer with military/intelligence backgrounds. Joan Baez could not be a better example*.
Look at her father’s connections to Cornell, MIT, etc. He was co-inventor of the x-ray microscope and did work with UNESCO, etc.
Joan Baez’s constellation of associates include Phil Ochs, Bob Dylan, Rich Farina, Cornel University Culture creators Thomas Pynchon, Kirkpatrick Sale etc.
As you would expect, her story is protected by the usual disinformation wrapped around nuggets of truth.
Query: doubles are used in politics and intelligence spy craft but not in its most important ancillary field, the entertainment industry? Doubles for CIA politicians, CIA spys, etc. but not CIA entertainers? Fakeologists have speculated that Michael Jackson had replacements, that child actors are replaced as the enter adulthood, all to continue making money for their respective franchises. What about CIA entertainers who are replaced, not for filthy lucre, but to continue advancing The Agenda?
Take the WSIC / Baez template and place it on “Paul McCartney”’s “girlfriend” Jane Asher. Her father, Richard Asher, was a top mind control, doctor who coined the term Munchausen syndrome.
He committed suicide, (or so we are told ;))
Then there Dr. Richard Asher’s buddy Dr. Emanual Miller. His info is here.
The strange case of Stu Sutcliff , his death, and Astrid Kircherr
The connections are endless. We are being played at a sophisticated level. The replacements serve the Agenda, whether it is Olivia Newton John as Porne Aphrodite, Madonna as “Call to Chaos” girl or the Beatles as the Avatars of the Transformation, archetypes are manipulated before the Group Mind.
Here is “John Lennon” advancing one aspect of the Agenda, feminism, on the Dick Cavett Show 1972.
Another Lennon, another aspect of The Agenda. 1975 Note the double faced band members-Occult nose thumbing.
Fakeologists will have better luck convincing Hoi Polloi that people died on 911 than convincing me the same man is performing in the above videos.
I placed a picture of two Bob Dylans, Joan Baez’s cohort, below. Never mind the difference in hair, facial bones, chin and neck, riddle me this, Batman, what accounts for the difference between the warm, soulful eyes of the fellow on the left and the cold “I sold my soul to the devil” eyes of the character on the right?May 30, 2015 at 7:20 pm #281852LennyLeverhulmeParticipant
@Richard: As you note Albert Baez, Joan’s father, author of the standard textbook of the day “The New College Physics: A Spiral Approach” (1967), was an MIT Physics Professor.
According to Bill Kaysing, the Apollo-hoax guy, MIT was the first place NASA turned to for help in staging their fake Moon landings at the very time Albert worked there (see MaxRatt’s “Apollo Hoax: pt 1, around the I hour mark I recall) . It’s hard to imagine that Albert, at that level, was not at least privy to, if not hands-on himself, in the perpetration of that particular High Hoax of Scientism.
Note too, that the famous Alumni list of Joan’s old high school Palo Alto reads like a veritable Who’s Who of Spook Central High: James Franco, David Franco, Grace Slick, the Grateful Dead, Disney and Hollywood producers, and a host of elite sports stars and media high fliers, amongst them.
It was also timely and convenient for Joan’s singing career that MIT was just a stone’s throw away from the fledgling folk cafes of Boston, from which happily sprang the influential Folk Music/Protest movement of which Joan was to be the poster girl, along with her consort, that other fraud, Dylan.
Yes, it all smacks of Laurel Canyon. Given her background, rather than being an innocent dupe, it seems a hell of a lot more likely that Joan Baez was signed up to the whole Psychological Operation 100% from Day One: the Protest/Hippie/Sixties psyOp. I just can’t see the CIA Culture Creators letting ANYONE ANYWHERE near the microphone who wasn’t.
On whether or not Joan was substituted, I’m keeping an open mind on that but I don’t discount the real possibility. You’ve now convinced me Doris Day was. And so was, in my opinion, Paul McCartney, John Lennon, Michael Jackson and others. So why not Joan Baez?
On the point Tom raised elsewhere about the talents of these individual stars being inimitable and irreplaceable, so therefore “why would they bother to replace them?”, I think there are two separate things to consider.
The first is, the individual artist at this elite level may well, and in many cases clearly does, possess individual genius and ability: the voice, the charisma, the looks, and the ability to write and perform unique material. Although not having any talent is no barrier to superstardom, if you’re well connected and chosen.
The second thing is, the genius of the Mass Culture Creators is in simulation, imitation and deception. It’s not in being original and authentic themselves. Their science lies in copying and bullshitting. The artist provides the creativity and nous, and from this original template they then construct the hoaxery and the psyOps.
At their hands, individual talent is able to be replicated, like expensive sports cars. “They have the technology!”
And the individual artist is of secondary importance (dispensable even) once the “sound” and “image” is established and popularised, and calibrated within the particular psyOp they’re running. Should the original artist get sick, jack up, retire, or whatever, then he or she can be replaced if the psyOp’s not over yet. I think it’s that simple when you know how.
And as we are learning, these Hoaxers are extremely masterful at what they do. Fielding convincing body doubles using any manner of technologies, simulating unique voices and styles live and in the studio, churning out apparently “original material” that someone else wrote, all these things are eminently do-able and, I believe, being done. All the time.
Why would they do that? For the same reason they go to the elaborate trouble of faking 911 or Sandy Hook. The aim of the Culture Creators is to manufacture a false reality, on so many levels, that they then weaponise for the purposes of mind-conditioning/social engineering the public, to lead society towards their ultimate end goals. “Technocracy” seems to be a big part of that vision.
By comparison, the fate of one individual artist, who is after all in the service of these lofty goals, is small beer.
I heard a story once from a close family member who worked in show business all his life in England, and knew many of the well-known stars personally. His story was that one particular superstar, who had a penchant for outrageous costumes and make-up, sometimes got too stoned to stand up before a big concert, so a trusted “roadie” donned the sequined outfits, wigs, hats and make-up and performed on stage in his stead. And none in the audience were the wiser.
Fakeology aside, it’s not hard to see that the organisers of mega-concerts wouldn’t have, as simple insurance on their investment, such contingency plans already in place: trusted “roadies” (ie, read “body/voice doubles”) at the ready who could stand in for profligate stars that go missing in action. After all, the show must go on.
All that would imply a sophisticated degree of foreknowledge, planning and training, rather than just happenstance. So it’s not a big step to see celebrity replacements — involving silicon disguises, CGI and all the other tools of trade of fakery — becoming standard fare in the career of a ‘superstar’ , especially when you link ‘show business’ to these Military Intelligence psychological operations.
As the clause in the Beatles’ contract you posted illustrates, it was standard fare. Btw, does that have a source?May 31, 2015 at 2:19 am #282253
@Lenny…you have hit the nail on the head. You understand the situation perfectly. This tricky topic is 3 dimensional, complex and multilayered…
Point One: “Why replace?”
Blue Moon wrote: “To overstate the case by arguing that one asset has been replaced by a similar looking asset is really gilding the lily”
@Blue Moon: Intell “assets” are not replaced, real talented people are.
Re: the point Tom Dalpra raised elsewhere about the talents of these individual stars being inimitable and irreplaceable, so therefore “why would they bother to replace them?
Lenny wrote: “…The first is, the individual artist at this elite level may well, and in many cases clearly does, possess individual genius and ability: the voice, the charisma, the looks, and the ability to write and perform unique material. ..”
I think the main problem people have is they do not see A REASON FOR REPLACING PEOPLE, especially celebrities. If one doesn’t understand the reason, he or she cannot figure out why certain people go to so much trouble finding doubles, killing relatives, coaching replacements etc. He doesn’t know that it is worth it.
For many people the question is “Why replace some of the celebs, if you have power to create them from childhood?”
To answer why some celebrities are replaced, one has to go into spiritual. One must realize the answer is- “They” cannot create genius…cannot create genuine., charismatic, talented people. Because Satan cannot create anything, he can only try to fake it, duplicate it and then charge the fake with his powers stolen from The Creator by different means.
“They” search for such people, wait for them to show up… They can “smell” the Divine gift as sharks can smell blood. Then they hijack it. “They” use real talent and genuine emotions as an instrument, as a can opener for the mind. When the can is opened, the fake can start to work with the content. The original Beatles’ music had a transcendent, sublime, ethereal quality to it, a joire de vivre. Listen to “The Night Before” or “You’re Gonna Lose That Girl”
Lenny you understand this. I hope others will as well. Yes, we Fakeologists are smart,”scientific” and “objective”, yet the spiritual side of it the PSYOPS eludes us while it is the main thing that is behind it all.
The game is a spiritual one…spiritual discernment is a weapon missing in the Fakeologist armory.
“The world with all of its pomp and props is but the locale for the war for the soul which is the only reality.”
Michael A. Hoffman II
Take those “fabricated” stars, mind controlled from childhood, did any of them had nearly as big impact on humanity, as real (and subsequently false) Beatles had?.. I think not. Yes, they are created, they are used, they serve certain purpose, but they are secondary. They are usually not replaced. They are material; they are not that important. When The Machine needs to accomplish real big and important tasks – it needs someone like The Lads. It needs a real deal.
911, moon hoax, etc, these subjects are interesting, but they are not “emotional”, they touch your reason, but not your heart. When it comes to the Beatles (and people’s replacements) – it is a totaly different story. People know what it’s like to love the Beatles, to be a life-long Beatles fan, and then to know one day that they were replaced in mid ’60’es. What then?
It really makes you feel fooled, cheated, it makes you feel *%$#@!!!.. and furious. And determined to know ALL the truth. And be very active. That’s what “They” are afraid of. The Beatles deal with your heart. That’s what “they” were trying to twist. When your thoughts and rational beliefs are twisted and you come to know about it, it makes you research things and dig deeper, but when your LOVE is twisted and you come to know it – a very powerful force comes to life. Love is the most powerful thing on the Earth, and those who are behind the Beatles PSYOP knew it all the way. That’s why they had to find The Lads and let them sing for 3 years, and make us love them.
Point Two: “How is it done?”
“…The second thing is, the genius of the Mass Culture Creators is in simulation, imitation and deception. It’s not in being original and authentic themselves. Their science lies in copying and bullshitting. The artist provides the creativity and nous, and from this original template they then construct the hoaxery and the psyOps.
At their hands, individual talent is able to be replicated, like expensive sports cars. “They have the technology!”
And the individual artist is of secondary importance (dispensable even) once the “sound” and “image” is established and popularised, and calibrated within the particular psyOp they’re running. Should the original artist get sick, jack up, retire, or whatever, then he or she can be replaced if the psyOp’s not over yet. I think it’s that simple when you know how…”
Indeed…Remember: “They” use real talent and genuine emotions as an instrument, as a can opener for the mind. When the can is opened, the fake can start to work with the content.
“…And as we are learning, these Hoaxers are extremely masterful at what they do. Fielding convincing body doubles using any manner of technologies, simulating unique voices and styles live and in the studio, churning out apparently “original material” that someone else wrote, all these things are eminently do-able and, I believe, being done. All the time.”
It is not easy to identify doubles. We underestimate the skill of the opposition. I can understand that people don’t get it. I cannot blame them, because it took me time to “dig it” too. Remember the link I posted to the CIA expert in disguises –
“The detail of his natural looking prosthetics – whether a finger or hand, an ear, nose, orbit with ocular, full or partial face – is a marriage of artistry and science fused by his natural talents and more than twenty years as the Central Intelligence Agency’s top Advanced Disguise Specialist.”
They have the detail down to matching the skin on the hands with the face. That is why I showed “Lennon” with is gloved skin
Here are a some facts about EMI, the power behind the Beatles. EMI did research and developed many hi-tech weapons and military equipment. They were literally A PART of a military industrial complex.
EMI was deeply involved in developing advanced computer/broadcasting/radar/microwave/photo equipment, also TV cameras… What could it be used for? Tampering EVERYTHING – sound, voices, images, videos… They control what we see and here. That’s what we see on every official Beatles/Featles DVD – they are blurry where they need to be blurry, etc. You can see it on youtube, because all the Beatles videos there are pieces of official DVDs. Who made them?.. EMI and BBC.
“During and after the Second World War, the EMI Laboratories in Hayes, Hillingdon developed radar equipment (including the receiver section of the British Army’s GL-II anti-aircraft fire-control radar), microwave devices such as the reflex klystron oscillator (having played a crucial role in the development of early production types following on from the British Admiralty Signal School’s pioneering NR89, the so-called “Sutton tube”), electro-optic devices such as infra-red image converters, and eventually guided missiles employing analogue computers.”
Picture on attachment-Military officer is going out of EMI building, holding documents…
Lenny, I do not have the link to original contract the Beatles signed for Brian Epstein. One of the strange things you will discover when researching the Beatles is material is scrubbed frequently. I have the pdf file of the Beatles contract but do not know how to post it here. The original link is dead.
If you can tell me how to post the pdf I will or google “Brian Epstein’s original contract with the Beatles.” The relevant section is section 2, paragraph g. I placed a couple pages on attachmentMay 31, 2015 at 11:40 am #282684
Lenny, here is a link you may try for the Beatles contract:
On the left of the page there are photos of all contract pages. Clause G (about hiring doubles) is on photo 3.
I believe that in Beatles times there still were some who were “ordinary” people, I mean without any intell/illuminati background, chosen due to their talent, with an intent to be corrupted and used in the future.Knowing the Lads’ background, knowing about their families, seeing their youth photos, I can see they were working class boys, talented, self-made, determined to become rock stars. I don’t know when exactly they were noticed and chosen (I suspect when they started to play at local clubs in Liverpool), but they were certainly not groomed from their childhood, because they didn’t look groomed at all.May 31, 2015 at 5:28 pm #282931
Not buying- That’s Joan Baez all the way through- People’s faces change in their twenties and thirties- Especially if they have advanced from fish and chips and beer to fine wines, cocaine and filet mignon- As well, publicly displayed Talent with a capitol T is mostly rigorous training and often ghost written material and stage make up, etc.- When actually inspired, the muse whispering into one’s ear is really more of a carb rush than the breeze from angels wings- I’ve been a fine artist all my life and I can tell you cranking out masterpieces is a 9 to 5 job, not a diamond bullet in the forehead- As for performing doubles in a pinch, yeah, I can buy that- Crap acts like Elton John have so much set up between the performer and the audience it could be anyone on stage- As for SATAN SATAN SATAN!!! That’s a load of malarkey- The motivation is separating the public from their cash, just like any other capitalist scheme-
I know how tempting it is to be in on a SECRET, but contextualizing the “forensics” within some Manichean battle between the forces of light and darkness is beyond gilding the lily- That’s addiction speaking-May 31, 2015 at 11:09 pm #283182
“Coincidence killed the professor.”
“The White People”
“I don’t particularly believe that I come from this planet. ”
Doomed Glam rocker Marc Bolan
@ Blue Moon “..As for SATAN SATAN SATAN!!! That’s a load of malarkey- The motivation is separating the public from their cash, just like any other capitalist scheme-
I know how tempting it is to be in on a SECRET,..”
Please study the career trajectory of the original glam rocker Marc Bolan. Bolan said before he became famous he had a meeting in Paris with a black magician.
In the book link below, “Bolan commented that he had met some “amazing people” in his lifetime that didn’t fit the normal definition of the word human.
Some writers have argued that Bolan’s meeting with a black magician in Paris is apocryphal. One author who thought this wrote an article I linked below. Here are some quotes:
“…in Bolan’s lyrics Inca kings and Celtic witches dallied with mythological animals in dappled fairy groves.”
“The duo’s next album Unicorn has hints of Marc’s pop ambitions. True, its songs are all about wizards, white stars and sea beasts.”
“Mickey Finn was someone whose existence was irrevocably altered by meeting Marc Bolan: “I remember he turned up in along black cloak with a hood, and his hair, and his little ballet shoes with a gilded strap.
What did you think of him?
“I thought he’d come to put a spell on me. He probably did. I still don’t know.”
The writer of this says Bolan made up the magician story but ignores the significance of the above lyrics, the Druid symbolism in so many songs, including his 1st big hit “Ride a Swan”, not to mention his curious death.
@Blue Moon and Tom Dalpra- I have a question “Did Marc Bolan undergo an initiation for fame? When Marc talked about him being from another planet, is he referring to a spirit in him? Was a spirit responsible for Marc’s charisma?”
Marc Bolan died in a car crash rife synchronicities. A synchronicity is a meaningful coincidence.
Watch his performance of the song “Solid Gold Easy Action”
and read the accompanying article. The line “”Life is the same and it always will be / Easy as picking foxes from a tree,” …”Turns out that the license plate on the car that Bolan was killed in on Sept. 16, 1977, was “FOX 661L.” And oh yeah, it was wrapped around a tree.”
Marc Bolan was a self confessed Druid. The Druids believed trees held spirits.
Read More: Marc Bolan – Famous Musicians Who Correctly Predicted Their Own Death | http://ultimateclassicrock.com…s/?trackback=tsmclip
Watch this performance and listen to the imagery of the lyrics and the use of the hexagram in the tv broadcast.
The show is “Top of the Pops” hosted by accused satanic pedophile Jimmy Saville.
For the readers who have rubbed elbows with elites in the music business, I have a question about Bolan’s death: “Can coincidence can be summoned?”
Bolan was the archetype of Androgynous rock star. Was Marc Bolan’s death a sacrifice to bless the genre of androgynous glamour rock, ensuing the success of David Bowie etc? Was his contract up? Did the “force”, the “force” responsible for his charisma and success leave him?
“What I am concerned with is calling down from the Heavens the energy that should go into a song”
Below, Bolan christens the path for glam punkers with the blessing of Jimmy Saville.
Fakeologoists have discussed the use of occult numbers in PSYOPS, the occult symbolism in monuments in our nation’s capitals, propitious dates, etc. Occultists do so, it is argued, in order to draw negative energy to bless their endeavors. Was Marc Bolan “charged” with negative energy resulting in fame and popularity greater than the Beatles and Rolling Stones circa 1971?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Bolan “… At this time T. Rex record sales accounted for about 6 percent of total British domestic record sales. The band was reportedly selling 100,000 records a day;…)
I think the “people” behind Marc Bolan, his EMI affiliations through his “producer” Toni Visconti, would know. They were part of The Evil behind the replaced Beatles. Ringo Starr made a concert documentary about the doomed glam rocker.
Was Marc Bolan sacrificed after the the hurley burley/ After the battle had been lost and won?
Why does Marc Bolan talk about meeting black magicians, etc. Why does Joan Baez write songs like “You Don’t Have to Play Me Backwards” about ritual sacrifices in a church? So they can feel important?
We are living in the Age of Must Be, The Making Manifest of All That is Hidden as James Shelby Downard prophesied. Downard said he spent his life studying the grand occult conspiracy to turn us into cybernetic mystery zombies. We are there. Fakeologists and others on the internet talk about the Revelation of the Method, where we are told what is being done to us. They aver that the culprits are doing so to exonerate them of guilt, etc. Wrong. Go read the original Rosicrucian Manifestos, as I did. There it is written, that “when we have the public ritually bound, we will confess our secrets.”
I asked Fakeologists before if Sandy Hook was botched on purpose. I believe it was, complete with the Anderson Cooper/James Tracy masonic psychodrama. Revelations about the hoax are furthering our psychic enslavement, deepening our hypnosis and our spiritual paralysis. We are left ritually bound.
The Bible teaches there is one sin that God does not forgive: blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Through God’s Grace, the Holy Spirit reveals truth to us. The reason the other side uses “The Revelation of the Method” is to damn our souls through our committing the sin of denying the spirit of truth. They confess their secrets. We know the truth. We can not say we didn’t know. With our occult Apple phones, and the dog start goddess Siri answering our questions, we have family entertainment about ritual child sacrifice with survivors being sold into child prostitution (The Hunger Games). Meanwhile for the adults, Fifty Shades of how to make your own S + M sex slave. In our minds our government fights the goddess of witchcraft ISIS while we immerse ourselves further into a virtual world gleaming with Illuminist imagery.
Cybernetic mystery zombies.
We underestimate The Hustle.
June 1, 2015 at 7:25 am #283511
- This reply was modified 5 years, 9 months ago by richard benedict.
Ah, Marc Bolan and the “crash”
An eyewitness to the car crash that killed the rock star told her story to a national newspaper. Vicky Aram, a 77-year old, a former nightclub singer, was invited back from a party by Bolan, his girlfriend Gloria Jones and Jones’s brother Richard to discuss future musical projects. Following them in a separate car, Ms Aram was at the scene seconds after the incident…….In a spooky parallel with Bolan’s accident, Ms Aram said she actually crashed into a tree on the way to give evidence at Bolan’s inquest a month later.
same old same old
still not convinced? What make you of this “crash”, Tom?June 1, 2015 at 3:24 pm #283832Tom DalpraParticipant
still not convinced? What make you of this “crash”, Tom?
Still not convinced about what, exactly, Felix?
DalTampraJune 1, 2015 at 6:14 pm #283956
Ah, should have been a break there after the interrogation with more intervening text, but it was rejected and I had to cut and paste.
But since you ask, Tom, in light of our database of faked crashes and accidents, could this one be staged? I think it could. The back stories sound rather, er, tired and rehearsed.
Here’s what I had to cut…
But it must be true because…here’s someone who cut him out of his car!
September 22 2008
The night I cut Marc Bolan from the wreckage of his car
When they got to the scene near a humpback bridge on Queens Ride, Barnes, it was pretty obvious there was no rescuing to be done.
[actually one person was very much alive…but she seems to have vanished from the story]
our appliance was carrying specialist rescue equipment.”
That was lucky. Eddie Cochran, anyone?
Here’s a rare piece relating to the inquest – we know how these work….
Stuart Leitner 03-Jun-2014 23:42
I am a researcher and i find the information about the car crash very confusing because there seems to be two versions to what happened that night,so i had a look and found this article from The Bee newspaper dated November 25 1977 (Page 14)
” Gloria Jones LONDON (AP) — Gloria Jones, the American singer who was British rock star Marc Bolan’s girJ friend, may be prosecuted in connection with the September auto crash that took Bolan’s life. “It has been recommended that Miss Jones be prosecuted for driving while unfit through drink and possibly with an excess of alcohol in the bloodstream,” police said Thursday at an inquest. A Battersea Coroner’s Court jury returned a verdict of accidental death after hearing how the compact car crashed into a tree. Coroner Gavin Thurston had instructed the jury to limit its deliberations to whether the cause of death was accidental. Any further proceedings, he said, belonged in a different court. Miss Jones, 26, who lived in London with Bolan and their 2year-old son, attended the hearing on crutches. She is still recovering from injuries suffered in the accident in south London. Witnesses said the couple had spent the evening at a night club before driving home. Police witnesses also testified that the small car had two dangerous tires — one with loose wheel nuts and one under-inflated — which could have contributed to a loss of control”.(end of quote).
I know it’s not a replacement, but suspicious in any case.June 1, 2015 at 6:38 pm #284000
This image won’t post and I have to chop the url up even to post, but it does it for me. Very Sweeneyesque
http://40.media.tum blr.com/tumb lr_magvadjwjd1rrbfxdo2_1280.jpgJune 1, 2015 at 6:52 pm #284001
Here come the experts – 3m 40s in:
Note plod and plod at 3.50 posing for the cameras again.June 1, 2015 at 7:08 pm #284007Tom DalpraParticipant
Ah, ok, thanks xilef, I’m just wary on this silly thread. Richard appears to be full of it.
We’ve had words elsewhere and he’s on my naughty step.
Joan Baez was replaced ? Ha! No she wasn’t.
Thankfully, Blue Moon provides some sanity.
Now Bolan’s crash. Interesting. Certainly the set-up could present an opportunity.
Bolan was past his prime at the time of his death. A fake death would certainly work at that point. We know that it did!
The thing is rockstars do crash cars. It’s just as likely a rockstar’s girlfriend had a car with FOX 66 on the number plate and was a bit drugged-up.
It can happen.
I have direct experience of a fellow band member dying an early death.
It wasn’t a car but it could have been. He wrote off a couple of cars, then died a drug death in slightly mysterious circumstances round at someone’s house one day at age 25.
I’m open to these things. Not Richard’s absurd John Lennon rubber necking and Joan Baez baloney, but to the idea that famous rockstars’ deaths have been faked at some point. I don’t think it’s rife at all, but it’s just a case of who, not ‘if’, I think, probably.
I’ve meant to start a popular music thread for a while to talk about the hidden hand in rock’n’roll.
The Bolan crash is definitely worth a little further look, I think. I’ll do that, and if I’ve anything interesting to report, I’ll put it in a new thread.
DalTampraJune 1, 2015 at 9:12 pm #284081
I think it’s simply a matter of which star persona will sell more dead than alive when past their peak, not kissing the devil’s keister and being dragged home to Hell at age 27- A “crash”, plane or auto, can keep anyone from asking questions- Plus, some of these public personas aren’t meant to age- For example, the reason Bowie survived as a public figure was because he and his handlers were so adept at changing that persona rather quickly, which led to his being one of the richest rock stars on record- What do you do with a “Marc Bolan” as he ages? Pix of a fat, dumpy, old effete like Bolan will not sit right when 20th Century Boy is the soundtrack to a Levi’s commercial starring Brad Pitt or overheard in a Verizon spot- It’s bad for business-
If you are good for business alive, the persona lives-
http://www.prefixmag.com/news/paul-mccartney-heads-list-of-worlds-richest-singer/69105/June 3, 2015 at 5:33 am #285309rgosParticipant
Never heard of Marc Bolan here in the swamps, but that’s one faked car crash.
FOX 66IL, my arse.June 3, 2015 at 10:28 am #285497
Never heard of Marc Bolan here in the swamps
You ought to have been here in Rotterdam in 1970, Rgos!
From about 16:40 in. Peace, man!June 3, 2015 at 11:36 am #285571rgosParticipant
From about 16:40 in. Peace, man!
In retrospect, I’m so relieved I missed that CIA-brainwashing. I was still fouling my diapers back then.June 3, 2015 at 1:59 pm #285685
A BBC “resume” always accompanies a good hoax
Sure, here it is
Miss Jones’ brother – who was following their purple mini/ – told police the car was travelling at 30 mph (48.3 km/h) when it crashed at a notorious accident blackspot.
Phillip Evans-Lowe** was driving to work at a local dairy when he witnessed the smash.
“When I arrived a girl was lying on the bonnet and a man with long dark curly hair was stretched out in the road – there was a hell of a mess, I rushed to get the police,” he said.
Mr Bolan had just completed a television series and was said to be poised to make a comeback after spending the last three years abroad as a tax exile.
His former manager, Tony Secunda, said the son of a Hackney porter whose real name was Mark Feld had always feared he would die in a car crash.
I do hear that taxation is miminal on Radler Island. I think that’s all need to know. One can always “Email Sam” or “Skype Sam” any time from such locations.
** you get a high class of milkman in these parts of London
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