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“You write and behave as if you know the “truther” movement in and out*, and at the same time you post in this forum thread pretending not to be familiar with the material herein. Which is it? And how come you are posting without reading what is already posted first (which is pretty unintelligible and inconsiderate)”
i have no clue what the ‘truther movement’ is let alone where it is going. this is one area of disagreement i have with brian staveley for example. this does not mean he and i need to be enemies. i once thought the ‘911 truth movement’ had legs back in the We are Change days circa 2010. i participated in some events, handed out fliers from AE911 Truth…spoke to anyone and everyone…really thought i was contributing in some small way toward a ‘larger objective’ – be it ‘waking’ people up, an independent investigation (rofl) or even an indictment of the perps! how naive i was in the extreme. but if you find strength or purpose in this notion that conspiracy research will manifest to the masses with any kind of change, by all means continue to hold onto this belief.
again, i am not familiar with this particular thread within the site. in the weeks ahead i hope to familiarize myself with more of them (and subblogs) that may only be of interest to a select audience. alas, there’s only so many hours in a week.
but this ignorance is irrelevant to my issue with you. i saw a comment where i was labeled as some type of spook / fake account et al. hence my direct reply to this accusation. and my challenge to demonstrate – publicly if necessary – beyond any reasonable doubt i am not markus allen nor have any association with him beyond a comment indicating i enjoy(ed) his commentary. are you so mired in negativity that anyone with a positive attitude toward voices in this scene needs to be scoffed at? let alone charged with being an ‘intelligence agent’?
“It is of course not realistic that any of our opposing viewpoints can be reconciled as none of you would openly admit to being any type of agent, and that the research on the Conspiracy Conspiracy network demonstrates how JLB and Marcus Allen are State or Military paid agents through their associations and individual behavior”
indeed, you can think i or any of the aforementioned are ‘agents’. perhaps markus and jlb are something more sinister and i am misguided. but what should be realistic to reconcile by any reasonable man is whether or not markus and myself are the same person. a failure to understand that distinction…is a failure to understand that distinction.
“so i’m not going to tergiversate on your isolated cases – we disagree, which is to be expected*”
“Why not contribute with research and thus actually prove you are not part of the 99% paid conspiracy gatekeeping effort? You already have my opinion on the matter (Conspiracy Gatekeeping)”
i don’t feel the need to prove i’m not part of a gatekeeping effort, but as for my own research, this is fair criticism. i haven’t contributed much in this regard to a community that has given me a great deal of life changing material. my first effort since joining Fak will be to show that Linda Gronlund – an alleged victim of flight 93 – was not a fake human. this i’m quite certain of. i doubt many will be convinced, and its a drop in the ocean toward the larger issues we confront in the lie system, but it’s something.
i also have and do provide (albeit limited based on personal budget restraints) moral and financial support to individuals and platforms i deem worthy of such energy exchange. perhaps after reviewing your research there’ll be some shekels in your account. but then … it wouldn’t be right for you to accept contributions from a paid shill, right? hmmm
“In a nutshell then, as like-defends-like, your position on Staveley is that he uses photoshopped images to sustain his position as a legimitate researcher?”
when did i say that? all i said was that he has done plenty of live shows, video and audio and you can probably go see him in person in Massachusetts. if that is not enough to retract a statement he is fake – well…this scene truly is a joke, including some of its most prominent members.
“This is nonsensical and the reason why BS never adress the photoshopped nature of his “profile” pictures and use appeal to emotion and ridicule fallacies to avoid topical, factual discussion.”
photoshop is a common tool to modify images. people now use all sorts of editing / filtering tools on IG. are you claiming he is not a real person in the flesh? what would be sufficient proof for you?
“It was a flood of words and narcisism not unlike what you (Markus Allen / Dante) display here in this thread with a verbose output not unlike the “7 minute truther” you claim not to be.. lol”
would having a three way call with me you and markus convince you i am not markus and he is not i? reflect on this long enough and you might just drown in the abyss you’ce created for yourself.
“Suspicion and critisism is a sign of engagement, and as part of the conspiracy debate we all will have to admit others are right to doubt our character or opinions. Rather than to appeal to trust, sophisms and argumentative fallacies it is only by contributing with better research that any individual researcher can objectively distance him/her-self from personal critique.”
i’m verbose? this sounds like a lot of long winded claptrap.
“What exposes your lies and untruthful behavior (Allen/Dante) is your obsession with your own fake characters – i really do not care for your subjective opinions and cheerleading of fake truthers.
what did i lie about? and what ‘fake characters?’ how far do you live from NY, ill meet you in person up close and personal. and yes, opinions are by their nature subjective. i suppose you are a ‘real truther’ despite me calling you out on objectively verifiable falsehoods you are promoting on this thread.
“Your presence on Fakeologist is merely limited to the few instances when your selfinflated “image” is in jeopardy. As you rightly say – most fakeologists are probably tired of self-imbued individuals such as JLB, Allen and now ‘Dante from NY’.”
i joined the site recently. hence i can see why you might assume it’s some fake profile because soon after, markus ‘reappeared’ on the scene. fair enough. i know there’s a paranoid delusional bug common to conspiracists.
people like you are why any notions of a ‘movement’ will forever remain stationary.
“At the moment, you (Allen-Dante) already patronize me by your discourse, and if you or anyone else would like to support my research it is as simple as visiting my personal blog*. But i would suppose you already would be aware of that if you really are researching the Conspiracy Conspiracy.”
allen dante? i was not aware of this, no. i will check out your blog.
“It is of course unflattering for yourself (Allen-Dante) if you willingly participate in conversations that go nowhere fast – you kind of prove by your admission in participating here that this research topic is worthwhile of both your attention and time.
conversations i initiate to address mischaracterizations about me are a worthwhile investment of both attention and time. further, i can demonstrably prove i am not markus allen nor a sock puppet account of jlb, hence sterililzing your accusations for future innocents you seek to assault – directly or indirectly – in the future.
“Showing up defending merely one selected case is in itself noteworthy, as you either forget or admit there are hundreds of other outlets and “truthers” that prove the points made.”
my going nowhere comment was not in regards to this specific topic / thread.
“How many genuine researchers have ever been promoted by James Fetzer on his show? Find even 1% legitimate contributors, and propose their names* – there are 513 researchers to choose from.”
i have no idea. i stopped listening to Fetz years ago… another figure i am angry at my former self for having spent so much time with. i doubt his audience is significant though and ‘legitimate contributors’ can attract an audience without guest starring on any of these purported intelligence agents.
“i have opted for a donation model for my own site and material : all the necesseray information can be found on my “about” page (here)”
i will check it out over the weekend.
“It is good to see birds of the feather flock together of course – and funnily JLB is another fake layman researcher* who lean heavily on sock puppet accounts and does subliminal marketing by sending his “fans” onto this site to spew their adoration of the supposed mastermind of false history, dinosaurs and non-spinning big globe earth.”
care to be more specific with the species? prehistoric pterodactyls since you seem to reject sauroskepticism?
or maybe we’re all honey eaters, flying south for the winter? though Markus’ humming brood is considerably older than jlb’s – and lives on opposite hemispheres. i’m sure darwin would have a blast with their beak analysis.
i cannot speak for sock puppet accounts, but by all means present the evidence for this. right here though please, not in your head.
what i can speak for is something i discovered recently…members of his own website and YouTube channel once thought I was one of those ‘sock puppet accounts’ …that is until i was on a call with him simultaneously with sharply distinct accents.
some other folks think JLB is Lesta Nediam. some people think a lot of things. perhaps there’s a feature of the human mind that reads text, forms patterns and gives requisite gumption to make grandiose assumptions.
hoi essentially accused brian staveley of being a sim – yet you can livestream with him and i’m sure he’d meet you in real life for a drink. of course, when challenged, the accusers will never admit they were mistaken.
you at least had enough integrity to delete a recent unwarranted claim.
“My opinion on researchers such as Marcus Allen, Miles Mathis, Brian Stavely or JLB is of course not the actual focus in the discussion of the intelligence initiated movement of conspiracy theory.”
no but you associated my name with some form of ‘fake fandom’ hence i am challenging you on this assertion.
and what are your positions on the ‘non-spinning ball globe earth’ or ‘ancient history’? you apparently assume mine is aligned with jlbs.
*i’m presently stumbled why JLB and in a lesser way Staveley get so much good press on this site, and how on the other hand valuable research like in this forum topic get so little exposure and especially no air-time
i think Ab is still fascinated with 911 material. but i’d say a sizable percentage of the site dislike JLB…and Markus.
i do look forward to perusing this forum topic and the copious research you claim is here. i’m a bit underwhelmed so far by baseless claims made by one of its contributors.
but just as i (or anyone else) can glean insight from synthesized information – regardless of the messenger – i will not let this first impression stop me from objectively engaging with what you and others have to offer.
even alex jones helped me along my journey… as disappointed i am in my former self to have wasted so much time on IW.
“To be blunt – the absolute majority of conspiracy theorists are paid intelligence officers who are charged with gaining popularity and retain our attention around specific, controlled subjects – and blind you against any systematic study, deductive logic or independent reasoning about our movement itself. The Elite just want us as an audience*, not for in-depth controversial research – they have fake truthers and now Academia to such ends…
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*if we as a conspiracy audience are invited to partake, it will be as “fans” or the occasional “yeah-yeah” guy… just like the many fake JLB fans, or fake users who point out how great Marcus Allen or Miles Mathis are (like Dante from NY, Tokarski, Watermanchris and many others before/after them)”i’m flattered anyone here thinks i’m a paid intelligence officer – or associated with one – let alone ‘gaining popularity’. not sure how fame metrics in this scene are calculated, but i’d love to study the social algorithm if you are privy to it. a tweak or two here and there just might justify a salary bump in time for the holidays.
clearly the market is clamoring for this fringe material…with monetization on Fakeologist and JLB.com hugely underpriced and soon to reach stratospheric levels.
arbitrage opportunities beckon!
i can’t speak on MM – have only perused his site a couple of times – but yes I do enjoy the interviews by Markus Allen (past and present). was i over the top in my praise with my first comment here? perhaps. but anyone with a basic understanding of literary technique should have been able to discern i was attempting to be creative and stylistic.
i also deem it necessary to offer encouragement / support to those who have helped me (usually unknowingly) in my journey down this unchartered rabbit hole. the signs are few and far between. with far more noise than signal.
and yes i am a paid subscriber to jlb.com (a true fan!).
also contributed to this very site recently. am i a fake user here? you need only ask Ab. or perhaps he’s on the take for two dollars a month?
lol.
in closing, have you – Unreal – performed any original research that you’d like to trade for my ‘shill’ shekels? i’d be happy to patronize your platform, because dwindling discretionary funds (supplied by Langley of course) have a healthy post labor day replenishment for any an all conspiracy content that ventures beyond banal generalities and into territory that advances ‘moves’ the conversation forward…conversations that historically have gone nowhere … fast … by traveling in all the familiar circles, round and around, back to where we started.
sigh. 🙄
Omarose Onee Manigault Newman
she’s been in the news a lot lately. never thought of her outside The Apprentice and subsequent roles in tabloid headlines. recently the white house drama is all over the tvs at the gym and headlines when i check my email. upon closer inspection, she surely looks like an egi / tran candidate.
most fakeologists can look at her name and immediately raise an eyebrow.
but then, many other names of supposed egi / trannies don’t have ‘man’ in the first middle or last.
only saw one channel discussing ‘her’ (lucky ben hebrew) but curious what people here have to say about this masculine figure (literally and figuratively) in the current news cycle.
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