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  • #847850
    narrator
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    Stage 1 : Discovery and introduction to the concept
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    Hi Unreal,

    I hope now more to focus on the “why” and the “how” in further research, and wish to avoid traps such as an overly sensationalist* angle can have both on my own reflection and for a more widespread acceptance of what i now take as a fact, EGI. Elite Gender Inversion exists and has been dissimulated in our society for quite a long time. In high places and every other field i believe we will find examples of EGI being present.


    I agree with you that the ‘why and how’ aspects of this EGI subject are more important than outing specific cases. Until know there is a saturation of transvestigation researchers that only focus on outing celebrity EGi entities. For me it’s more interesting to delve into the reasons this is happening and has probably been happening for a long time. From the book I have been reading The Transgender Studies Reader, I get the sense that there is some kind of religious aspect for this transgenderzation. An interesting aspect of the book is that the primary argument they make is that transgenderism is nothing new and society should because of that, easily support transgender individuals.

    Also we are able to find right now, communities where transgenderism has been a preserved ancient tradition. The Hijra in South Asia and M?h? in Hawaii. These communities have already established traditions regarding transgenderism that have been practised before Bruce Jenner came to existence. These communities can help with the scaling transgenderism to a broader worldwide perspective and offer historical references.

    The ‘how’ aspect focusing on reproductive technologies etc., is conceivably going to bring us closer to the end goals of transhumanism and helps to tie in EGI to other agendas and give a better understanding of the hermaphrodite agenda in general.

    Getting a better understanding of the ‘why and how’ will also reveal the tools the magician are using to deceive us. They are clearly doing that.

    Structure and focus are important factors in research and that’s why I’m Personally am not interested in discussing topics like Diana is David Furnish. These are side tangents that deserve there own format for researcher that are interested in delving into that.

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_reproductive_technology
    * http://www.livescience.com/21355-5-million-babies-born-ivf-technologies.html
    * https://forlackofsomegoodwriting.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/susan-stryker-and-stephen-whittle-eds-the-transgender-studies-reader.pdf
    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C4%81h%C5%AB

    #847851
    UNreal
    UNreal
    Participant

    From the book I have been reading The Transgender Studies Reader, I get the sense that there is some kind of religious aspect for this transgenderzation. An interesting aspect of the book is that the primary argument they make is that transgenderism is nothing new and society should because of that, easily support transgender individuals.

    Hello Narrator

    The Transgender Studies Reader is a mouthful and weighs in at 770 pages. I’m quite impressed you have read this. I have read parts and pieces of the book (in pdf form) and it is very valuable reference material. It will probably never do very well in 15 minutes on Youtube. From the introduction of the book it really become clear that we are no longer meant to remain merely man or woman, but that modernity require something more:

    A trans identity is now accessible almost anywhere, to anyone who does not feel comfortable in the gender role they were attributed with at birth, or who has a gender identity at odds with the labels “ man” or “woman” credited to them by formal authorities.

    It would be interesting if you understand the book to have been written as a testament to all that has already been enacted, or if the report also predicts and encourages development to come ?

    You also cite other articles that are very interesting in as much as they are not new, but a very relevant reminder to what modern medicine regularly practice and what the different procedures and protocols actually represent. The wikipedia page for Assisted reproductive technology (ART*) is very informative on what is really done in terms of fertility treatments. i found the gender aspect hereunder particularly intriguing:

    Sex selection is the attempt to control the sex of offspring to achieve a desired sex. It can be accomplished in several ways, both pre- and post-implantation of an embryo, as well as at birth. Pre-implantation techniques include PGD (Preimplantation genetic diagnosis), but also sperm sorting

    By what is stated on the wikipedia page, doctors are indeed able to alter a persons sex while in the womb, and eventually even change a natural female into male or vice versa.

    Also noteworthy from your cited article 5 Million Babies Born from ART that Europe actually is more active on technological and research aspects than the USA and rest of the world:

    Around 350,000 babies are born worldwide each year as the result of ART, a number the researchers say continues to rise. The United States and Japan rank as the most active countries for ART, with Europe being the most active region for reproductive technologies.

    It wouldn’t be surprising if much of the European research is led by british researchers, who has often been on the forefront of eugenics in the past.

    The historical presence of transgender traditions in South Asia is quite indicative that past civilizations might not have been so surprised of what we have found as evidence to EGI even in our western ‘modern’ world. What seem to be a bit misleading is that rather than being clear about whether a Hijra is really an eunuch or intersex (Male with Female appearence) the wikipedia page leave quite some room for interpretation:

    However, in general hijras are born with typically male physiology, only a few having been born with intersex variations. Some Hijras undergo an initiation rite into the hijra community called nirwaan, which refers to the removal of the penis, scrotum and testicles.

    The religious aspect of the typical Hijra community also strike me as much alike a western monastery where the priest act as guru for a large group of nuns who in turn are in charge of the orphanage:

    In South Asia, many Hijras live in well-defined and organised all-hijra communities, led by a guru. These communities have sustained themselves over generations by “adopting” boys who are in abject poverty, rejected by, or flee, their family of origin. Many work as sex workers for survival.

    There is also talk of another intersex group, the Kothi, in the article. If the sexual attributes of the Hijra was more clearly understood as the equivalent of Eunuchs it would be easier to understand the two distinct denominations. As the wikipedia-page is understood, the Kothi (or koi) just seem to be intersexuals who are not part of the Hijra cult. Hopefully, the Kothi might live better lives without a guru…

    *ART, how fitting if this discipline is controlled by the EGI

    #847858
    narrator
    narrator
    Participant

    A quick comment on one of your points.

    Also noteworthy from your cited article 5 Million Babies Born from ART that Europe actually is more active on technological and research aspects than the USA and rest of the world:

    Around 350,000 babies are born worldwide each year as the result of ART, a number the researchers say continues to rise. The United States and Japan rank as the most active countries for ART, with Europe being the most active region for reproductive technologies.

    It wouldn’t be surprising if much of the European research is led by british researchers, who has often been on the forefront of eugenics in the past.

    This reminded me of documentary* I saw probably 5 years ago. That most of the advanced research in creating these artificial babies is happening in Australia. We even talked about it school, I think. My foster dad told me as a child that in countries where they do the most advance breeding of animals and farming practices*. They would eventually start to apply the same methods eventually to humans. I didn’t understand it at the the time, but it makes more sense now. Farmers that are only interested in sires, use methods to only breed sires**. The same with creating heifers. We already breed animals with particular traits, such as cows that give more milk. There is a huge industry for genetic research for animals. I even witnessed how much my foster dad would pay to get sperm from a certain stallion.

    In the documentary they talk a bit about the genetic research they are doing. It’s partly Dutch and English. start watching from 23:00.

    It’s a random thought, perhaps it’s useful.

    * http://www.npo.nl/beagle-in-het-kielzog-van-darwin/02-08-2013/VPWON_1201700
    ** http://www.ki-samen.nl/nieuws/2005/09/ronald-de-trop-op-de-landbouw-vakbeurs-den-bosch-20050915

    #847859

    ab
    Keymaster

    This one is hard to dispute.

    #847860
    UNreal
    UNreal
    Participant

    This one is hard to dispute.

    You would think so, but it’s actually hard.

    Where is the proof ?

    Well, it is mostly subjective and for those who are resisting to actually see and feel, they even deny there actually are any factual/provable differences between men and women. Somehow people with such mentality wait for more objective proofs such as a government facility DNA test, Police report or an official study from a well known University or Professor/Expert.

    From the images above what is discernible is – large shoulders, male collar bones, long neck (females necks are habitually shorter), big hands (also compare badly to her ‘husband’), slim hips, big ears, male jaw-bone, deep set male eyes, remnants of brow-bone structure (despite probable eyebrow contouring), long nose (90° angle).

    We would of course need even more images and analysis, but if she was wearing anything other than a dress, it is hard to see any female characteristics according to what we today know of human anatomy and ascribe to as particular traits pertaining to gender.

    Hard to deny for us, still difficult to present to skeptics.

    #847862
    rgos
    rgos
    Participant

    This one is hard to dispute.

    Yep, that one caught my eye too in connection with the Italian referendum.

    But as I’ve been saying before, we cannot sit these people on a dung chair. That wouldn’t be politically correct. Or humanely desirable.

    Maybe a look at tradition will help:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femminiello

    #847865
    UNreal
    UNreal
    Participant

    in countries where they do the most advance breeding of animals and farming practices*. They would eventually start to apply the same methods eventually to humans.

    I share your point of view, and i think it is good you bring this point into the discussion. Scientists do conduct their most advanced research on animals and your example of the ‘Belgian Blue’ cow race that has been developed through a hundred years of selective breeding is quite astonishing. The relation between animal breeding research an human breeding could be the same as between military research projects and publicly available technology. If scientists have conducted successful breeding programs for animals for over a hundred years, we might expect the same type of projects to have been deployed covertly on humans for at least fifty years. What the results are would be difficult for us to get a good picture of, but i immediately think of sport and fitness where we continuously see athletes outperform older records. Some of todays athletes have impressive physical qualities, like Usain Bolt, Christiano Ronaldo and Michael Phelps.

    By mentioning the Belgian Blue race of cows i’m reminded of a Belgian movie that came out in 2011 called “Rundskop” (Bullhead). It is a film with actor Matthias Schoenaerts in the main role as a cattle farmer who is constantly pumped on steroids and hormones, slowly going crazy and (spoiler alert) had a very traumatic sexually mutilating incident as a child. It is a very troubling movie, even more so if you take into consideration the research we have done so far in this thread. A movie worth checking out.

    Belgian Blue Bull (used for selected breeding by means of artificial insemination)
    Belgian blue bull

    Meet the Super Cow (National Geographic – 04:43 mm:ss)

    #847866
    narrator
    narrator
    Participant

    It would be interesting if you understand the book to have been written as a testament to all that has already been enacted, or if the report also predicts and encourages development to come ?

    I think it’s both. The book tries to make transgenderism legitimate by giving historical occurrences and references and then uses that to say our society is so close minded for not accepting something that has been going on for so long.

    It gives peculiar examples to support their thesis:

    History: On November 4, 1889, the stepfather of a certain Count Sandor V. complained that the latter had swindled him out of800f., under the pretense of requiring a bond as secretary of a stock company. It was ascertained that Sandor had entered into matrimonial contracts and escaped from the nuptials in the spring of 1889; and, more than this, that this ostensible Count Sandor was no man at all, but a woman in male attire,—Sarolta (Charlotte), Countess V. S. was arrested, and, on account of deception and forgery of public documents, brought to examination. At the first hearing S. confessed that she was born on Sept. 6, 1866; that she was a female, Catholic, single, and worked as an authoress under the name of Count Sandor V. From the autobiography of this man-woman I have gleaned the following remarkable facts that have been independently confirmed:—S. comes of an ancient, noble, and highly-respected family of Hungary.

    I found this very interesting part in the beginning of the book and it connects transgenderism directly to nobility. Very interesting.

    One of the arguments ‘The Transgender Studies Reader’ makes it appear that transgenderism is already popular and has deep roots in all walks of life.

    Trans identities were one of the most written about subjects of the late twentieth century. New com-munities of transgender and transsexual people have created new industries, a new academic disci-pline, new forms of entertainment; they offer new challenges to politics, government, and law, and new opportunities to broaden the horizons of everyone who has a trans person as their neighbor, coworker, friend, partner, parent, or child. Any Internet search, whether of Web sites, news articles, or academic papers, will produce thousands of results. A recent Google search for “transsexual” gave 3 million hits.


    It then asks this:

    Is the basis of gender identity essential and biologically based, or is it socially constructed?


    It lays out that transgenderism is here to change the foundation of human life itself. Language/thoughts are so limiting we need to change that.

    Increasingly we presume that language, as another predeterminant of humanity, overrides the determinant of biological sex: that is, a person is the gender they claim to be, regardless of sex status. But the language of sex and gender is inherently limited. As trans people challenge their exclusion from language, and therefore from basic human rights, sex itself is increasingly becoming an unsafe foundation for the legal foundation of the order of human life.


    The book also reflects on the AIDS hoax and the profound impact it had on initiating us into transgender thinking. I had a difficult time accepting, that AIDS is a fake disease since as child in Africa, I thought to have seen a man in front of me dying from AIDS. I did some research on it a couple years ago and came to the conclusion that it’s a fake disease. And what I saw was something else.

    AIDS crisis necessitated a profound rethinking of the relationship between sexuality, identity, and the public sphere.


    The book also shows that these political movements have multiple agenda’s in mind when they start. It connects transgenderism with the cold war and even the development of the European Union.

    Transgender studies emerged in the early 1990s not just in conjunction with certain intellectual trends within feminism and queer theory, but also in response to broader historical circumstances. The disintegration of the Soviet Union, the end of the cold war, the rise of the United States as a unipolar superpower, the development of the European Union as the first multi-national state, and the elaboration of new global forms of capital during these years precipitated a pervasive, deeply motivated, critical re-examination of various conceptual binaries. Sex/gender systems, like other cultural constructs, deformed and reformed in tandem with new material circumstances. The popular film and stage production Hedwig and the Angry Inch—the story of a male East German who undergoes a (botched) genital conversion surgery in order to become the wife of an American soldier, and later regrets the decision—explores precisely this shift in post-cold war possibilities for gendered embodiment.


    It’s an immense book and will take me some time to read it all and write down my notes. The book is very exoteric, focussing primarily on propagandising transgender intellectuals. Still, the book offers a lot of reference materials and other books to look at.

    I saw a couple of years ago this move called ‘The Skin I Live In (2011)’* and it really disturbed me. I felt completely sick after watching it. It’s about this doctor that kidnaps a man and turns it into a woman. Maybe worth a rewatch,

    * http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1189073/

    #847867

    kelaren
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    #847868

    kelaren
    Participant

    The above two books in audio format –
    https://archive.org/details/psychology_of_sex_1106_librivox
    https://archive.org/details/studies_psychology_of_sex_vol_2_1312_librivox

    As predicted ….

    Havelock Ellis – British Eugenics/Transgender psychology enthusiast!
    https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A“Havelock+Ellis”

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    #847870

    kelaren
    Participant

    Sorry , last link should have been –

    https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A“Havelock+Ellis”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havelock_Ellis

    #847871

    kelaren
    Participant

    It is impressive how you can be so dysfunctional and pathetic yet still genetically superior at the same time!

    #847874
    UNreal
    UNreal
    Participant

    These old books might be relevant to you , Unreal.

    These books are indeed very interesting and the audiobook format is great with a very enjoyable english spoken narrator.

    Havelock Ellis was indeed a very intriguing character covering very extensibly all forms of sexuality. Ellis was rumored to suffer from impotence until the advanced age of 60, before discovering his “undinism”. The book you reference “Sexual Inversion” (1897) treat mostly of homosexuality that Ellis describes as “inversion” at the time of his writing. It is noteworthy that Ellis later also writes about transgenderism, but choses the to name such sexual behavior as “sext-aesthetic inversion” before adopting the term “eonism” (1920).

    It can be suspected that EGI entities would lead such academic fields as human sexuality and i find very peculiar Elis character altogether, especially when considering his “open marriage” with lesbian author Edith Lees and the fact Ellis was vice-president of the Eugenics Education Society. Strange that his name is so scripted as to signify his impotence “Have Lock”. In addition, Ellis backwards could also be part of the scripting, even if a bit far fetched or too obvious (Sill E – Silly).

    In addition to Ellis, another german author is mentioned as well to have pioneered the subject of transgenderism, Magnus Hirschfeld.

    Henry Havelock Ellis as older (could be suspect of EGI himself – not confirmed)
    •absence of brow bone, female eyes, short nose, small ears, typical EGI beard growth with signs of manipulation (typical disguise tactic with beard to cover face-shape and lack of Adams Apple)
    Havelock Ellis - old and no brows

    Henry Havelock Ellis as young
    •absence of brow bone, small female eyes, small ears, short neck and beard that could serve to hide absent Adams Apple
    Havelock Ellis - young and female forehead

    Edith Mary Oldham Lees Ellis, young (looks masculine – not confirmed)
    •masculine appearence and head shape, male jaw-line, long masculine nose, slight discernible brow-structure (despite photographers lighting and/or manipulation), long neck and typical shadow over Adams Apple region
    Lees Ellis - lesbian wife of Havelock Ellis

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    #847876
    UNreal
    UNreal
    Participant

    I found this very interesting part in the beginning of the book and it connects transgenderism directly to nobility. Very interesting.

    Your notes from The Transgender Studies Reader are very interesting. I’m nearly surprised that this news-story on confirmed FTM Count Sandor even saw the light of day. The fact that Count Sandor was a woman acting as a man is further evidence of FTM transitions not only existing today but also centuries ago. The period of the trial would be quite close in time to when Tesla lived as well.

    With the references that kelaren made to British author Havelock Ellis, it do seem like the Elite have already studied and investigated the subject quite a bit earlier both regarding feminism and queer theory. The transgender agenda is clearly political as you suspect as we have seen the same case before with feminism and gay-rights.

    I’m also of the opinion that the Aids was a created epidemic and it might be directly linked to the gay-rights movement and it’s media-coverage. Not surprising that they once again use Aids in their rhetoric to strengthen the publics emotional ties to TG individuals.

    It is very probable that transgenderism has the ambition to change the foundation of human life. The constant focus on normalising sexual behaviour that is incapable of naturally produce children is clearly an intent to move childbirth towards more scientific methods of breeding. The sexual mutilation many transgender individuals will submit themselves to is also very much against what can be defined as natural and humane. However, this movement tries to avoid such ethical arguments by defining nature as being an individual choice which is very clever, but deceptive in my understanding of nature and biology.

    I did see the Spanish movie ‘The Skin I Live In’ by openly gay film-director Pedro Almodóvar with Antonio Banderas in the main role as a virtuoso plastic surgeon. There are surely much more to this film i would better understand now that i’m more EGI aware. Good reminder and very ‘à propos’. Definitely worth to check out, and a lot of very modern minimal architecture in the film as well.

    When you mention Count Sandor and the awkward links there seem to exist between transgenderism and nobility, i am reminded of how many Royals that really have typical signs and traits from the opposite sex to their own.

    •Princess Olga of Yugoslavia, Countess Elisabeth zu Toerring Jettenbach and Princess Marina, Duchess of Kent (1930’s)
    Princess Olga - Elisabeth Toerring - Princess Marina

    #847890
    UNreal
    UNreal
    Participant

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    •Stage 4 : Suspect cases (MTF & FTM) and advanced research and theory
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    In this thread there are enough referenced material to let the individual researcher familiarise themselves with the anatomical differences between men and women as well as more modern procedures used by transgenders to acquire the appearence of the opposite sex. It is unfortunate, but unless you have taken the time understand what objectively define the appearence of a natural man or woman, you will lack the tools necessary for further understanding of EGI.

    Current research has made me certain of the existence of EGI (Elite Gender Inversion) and what i here post under “Stage 4” can only be fully appreciated for those who have spent enough time and effort to look anew upon modern history and the many openly obvious cases there are to be found.

    When investigating the possibility of Elite Gender Inversion many researchers seem overly preoccupied with detecting the most obvious cases as if to convince themselves and others of there being such a thing as “reverso’s” (FTM/MTF). Unfortunately they only investigate the most evident places such as Hollywood, TV or politics.

    It must be emphasised than when an inverted or transgendered individual marries, their partner is well aware of what he/she is and more than likely EGI themselves. It can be relieving to try to limit the presence of gender inverted individuals to the ones we can easily detect with our eyes, but i challenge fellow researchers to understand that an EGI confirmed indivual will comprise parents, husbands, lovers and children. It is unfortunately not likely that a confirmed FTM individual would marry a normal person and have children in any natural way, and mostly pretend and stage for the public such incidences (pregnancies, child-birth stories). If an individual is gender inverted, they will unfortunately do the same to their children or else their offspring would denounce their parents and/or families to others/the public.

    What is important to understand about EGI is that they use every trick in the book to remain undetected in public. They know what they are and how to hide it. With modern plastic surgery and hormonal therapies the exterior signs are becoming less obvious than before and reasonable doubt can often be objectively defended. The cases most discussed are the obvious ones. From what i’ve found in looking at elite families, couples, history and associations, we have only seen the tip of the iceberg. Maybe even the known EGI occurrences are the examples we are supposed to look at and even was intended for the current youtube-dominated “tranny” discussions.

    There is a list of the different strategies of disguise that has been used through the ages, and in modern times. It is important to emphasise that a technology such as photography has been extensively researched and put to purpose by the EGI. What plastic surgeons can alter for todays live video exposure, the photographers of the past also were able to realize. Their toolbox consisted of make-up, lighting, styling and photo-retouch. With an eye to detail we can detect how distinct poses and profiles where used along with lighting as to remove an Adams apple or prominent brow ridges as easily then as todays surgeries eliminate the very same defects for elite inverted individuals. The EGI have both the means and ambition to do so. And they do indeed.

    A Woolf in Woman’s Clothing

    Mostly research into EGI will imply looking at dominant historical figures, and i consider that researching prominent cultural icons to be significative for better understanding to what point the Elite not only practice Gender Inversion, but very methodically expose us to the most illustrious exemples of what to them must be considered great accomplishments for their deceptive and dishonest behaviour. Doing such historical research allow us to study the inter-generational phenomena that is EGI moreso than the contemporary individual star, and better understand it’s origins and traditions.

    The Moral. ‘Tis the highest Pitch of a Public Calamity, when the People are Worry’d and Seduc’d by those that should Protect and instruct them. No Impostor is so Exquisite, as not to lye open some way or other to a Discovery.

    There was a Crafty Wolf that Dress’d himself up like a Shepherd, with his Crook, and all his Trade about him, to the very Pipe and Posture. This Masquerade succeeded so well with him, that in the Dead of the Night once, when the Men and their Dogs were all fast Asleep, he would be offering at the Shepherd’s Voice and Call too: But there was somewhat of a howle in the Tone, that the Country presently took an Alarm at, and so they fell in upon him in his Disguise; when he was so Shackled and Hamper’d, that he could neither Fight nor Fly.

    fable 395 of Sir Roger L’Estrange’s translations of Aesop’s fables

    Adeline Virginia Stephen Woolf (1882-1941) was an English writer who was a significant figure in London’s literary society and intellectual groups of her time. She suffered mental illness throughout her life, and notoriously committed suicide by drowning in 1941 at the age of 59. As part of the “avant-garde” Woolf openly promoted feminism and sexual liberation, and much gossip was mede for her lesbian love affair with fellow writer Vita Sackville West. Her life has been dramatised on several occasions and maybe most notably in “Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf?” (1966).

    From the imagery below it can be clearly seen how V. Woolf and her family are very literally wolves in sheep’s clothing. The Woolf family and intellectual heritage is a prominent example of how the intellectual elite are in a very important way composed of EGI individuals. Still today there are seminaries and experts on the life and work of V. Woolf, which tend to show that EGI minions never stop promoting their own heros.

    Virginia Woolf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Woolf

    Virginia Woolf - portrait by Man Ray 1934
    Virginia Woolf, portrait by Man Ray (1934)
    •unmistakeable male chin, brow-bone, deep set eyes and nose

    Virginia Woolf young - wearing Julia Stephen dress 1924
    Virginia Woolf, in her mothers Julia’s dress (1924)
    •unmistakeable male hands and index finger, long masculine neck, male brow-bone, deep set eyes, long nose and masculine type mouth

    Virginia Woolf PR portrait 1902
    Virginia Woolf typical retouched media portrait (20 years old, 1902)
    •long neck, distinguishable brow-bone, male jawline despite lighting and photo-retouch, distinguishable Adams Apple, deep set eyes, long nose and masculine chin

    Virginia Woolf PR portrait 1902
    Virginia Woolf in same media portrait but the image is less reworked. We can detect how the photographer has voluntarily used over-exposition to reduce the deep eyes, discernible jaw-line and especially blur the Woolf’s very real Adams Apple
    •long neck, male brow-bone, male jawline, Adams Apple, deep set eyes, long nose and masculine chin

    Virginia Woolf and her mother Julia Stephen Duckworth
    Virginia Woolf with her mother Julia Stephen Duckworth
    •Julia has male figure (large shoulders/hands), long neck, male brow-bone, male jawline and chin, deep set eyes, long nose and masculine chin

    Virginia Woolf and father Sir Leslie Stephen
    Virginia Woolf with her father Sir Leslie Stephen
    •Sir Stephen has very typical female forehead and head-type, no brow-bone at all and typical EGI beard (covers a short neck without Adams Apple and often fake)

    Virginia Woolf with brothers and sisters 1892
    Virginia Woolf with brothers and sisters 1892
    •EGI suspect family with from the left – Adrian, Thoby, Vanessa and Virginia

    Virginia Woolf with her sisters Stella and Vanessa
    Virginia Woolf with her sisters Stella and Vanessa
    •All sisters look very masculine and typical for EGI – from the left – Stella, Vanessa and Virginia

    Virginia Woolf's future Husband Leonard as young
    Virginia Woolf’s future Husband Leonard as a student in Sri Lanka
    •Very slim build, tiny shoulders

    Virginia Woolf's husband Leonard Sidney Woolf
    Virginia Woolf’s husband Leonard Sidney Woolf, longtime Fabian member
    •Very little masculine traits and absolutely no brow-bone nor no jaw-bone

    Virginia Woolf lover Vita Sackville West
    Virginia Woolf’s lesbian lover, author Vita Sackville West (1926)
    •largely reworked image, but still: large neck, deep set eyes, Adams Apple, long nose and masculine chin

    Virginia Woolf lover Vita Sackville West old
    Virginia Woolf’s lover Vita Sackville West older
    •time do male facial features more apparent despite image retouch – male overall expression and figure, visible male brow and eyes, long neck and male chin

    #847926
    UNreal
    UNreal
    Participant

    ===
    •Stage 4 : Suspect cases (MTF & FTM) and advanced research and theory
    ===

    Everyone can possibly agree that childbirth is truly magic.

    For the Gender Inverted Elite this could be even more-so true. Maybe literally. How can a MTF (Male To Female) individual give birth or have a child ?

    If the Elite switch gender and still manage to reproduce, they must have a very elaborate process worked out to manage their offspring. Effectively, an Elite housewife will most probably have the inconvenience of not disposing the right reproductive system for taking care of either pregnancy nor child-birth. Today of course there are all types of alternative methods to both conceive a child as there is for the child-bearing itself. Famous examples like soccer player Cristiano Ronaldo or singer Ricky Martin have very publicly opted for surrogate mothers.

    However advanced modern Assisted Reproductive Technologies ( ART ) have become, the Elite must have managed this process even in the olden time. As modernity may hint at, the EGI might even consider their reproductive phase as their most ancient form of Art – how to stage their inverted child-process and pass it for real.

    The first part is called “The Pledge”. The magician shows you something ordinary: a deck of cards, a bird or a man. He shows you this object. Perhaps he asks you to inspect it to see if it is indeed real, unaltered, normal. But of course… it probably isn’t.

    The second act is called “The Turn”. The magician takes the ordinary something and makes it do something extraordinary. Now you’re looking for the secret…

    But you won’t find it, because of course you’re not really looking. You don’t really want to know. You want to be fooled. But you wouldn’t clap yet. Because making something disappear isn’t enough; you have to bring it back. That’s why every magic trick has a third act, the hardest part, the part we call “The Prestige”.

    Christopher Priest, The Prestige

    Prince Charles and Diana with newborn William
    Prince Charles of Wales and Princess Diana
    •Leaving St. Mary Hospital with Prince William Duke of Cambridge born 21/6 in 1982

    When we consider the efforts produced by a Gender Inverted Elite to have us believe in their public display of the opposite gender, child-birth might be regarded as child-play in comparison. Maybe there is also a large part of duping delight involved as well. People who all since childhood put on a very convincing performance must somehow be thrilled to engage in a new act, performed by their ancestors since time and memorial. As an uninitiated public, we can mostly only observe that far to many stars and personalities do look rather artificial while sporting bellies that often look like an ill positioned cushion.
    ===
    EGI Child birth
    – might partly be done as follows (with many variations within):
    ===
    Act 1 – The Pledge :
    FTM individual keep strict diet and prepare for early birth, quick recovery
    FTM pregnant individual move, do business trip, vacation or hide last 1-3 months
    MTF play pregnant, gain weight and gather public attention with family & friends

    Act 2 – The Turn :
    FTM (pregnant) male arrive at hospital incognito or give birth in private clinic
    Child is born (early) and kept in incubator and/or transported on location
    MTF fake start of birthing process and is very publicly taken to the hospital

    Act 3 – The Prestige :
    Child announced at selected date – nobody notice slight age difference for babies
    MTF very publicly announce birth at hospital and display child for images/press
    FTM either present during childbirth staging or arrive « late » if tough birth
    ===

    Prince William and Kate with newborn George
    Prince William Duke of Cambridge and Duchess Catherine
    •Leaving St. Mary Hospital with Prince George of Cambridge born 22/7 in 2013

    Robbie Williams with newborn Theodora
    Robert Peter “Robbie” Williams
    •at home after childbirth with Theodora Rose born 18/9 in 2012

    #847927
    UNreal
    UNreal
    Participant

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    •Stage 4 : Suspect cases (MTF & FTM) and advanced research and theory
    ===

    As much as i dislike Apostle Laura Lee’s aggressive delivery, she has done extensive research on transgender individuals. Her religious message and far-reaching new theories makes her Youtube Channel hard to watch on a daily basis.

    In the case of of speculation around how the Elite Gender Inverted (EGI) individuals go about procreation however, i do recommend watching her video hereunder. In the video she very observantly lay out a possible scenario regarding the childbirth of Parker Foster Aiken.

    Effectively, the parents of little Parker are indeed very interesting as the father is Clay Aiken*, suspected of Female To Male transition*. The mother is Jaymes Foster, sister of his record producer David Foster, responsible Aiken’s albums on RCA.

    *Clay Aiken Suspicious Childbirth (Apostle Laura Lee – 16:22 mm:ss)


    *Clay Aiken
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay_Aiken

    *Clay Aiken FTM Suspect (Jon Humanity 06:44 mm:ss)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnPKL60VgIg

    #847932

    ab
    Keymaster

    Can’t believe we’ve come this far, but I thought I’d post this link:

    http://www.dawgshed.com/threads/is-beth-ostrosky-stern-really-a-man.13549/

    Howard Stern wife – is she a very advanced tranny? There have been some horse faced comments sent her way over the years.

    Not sure what to think, but wanted to drop in the link.

    #847936
    rgos
    rgos
    Participant

    Howard Stern wife – is she a very advanced tranny?

    She does like a good game of basketball.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3844226/Howard-Stern-says-playing-interviews-Donald-Trump-betrayal-not-looking-f-over.html

    #847937
    narrator
    narrator
    Participant

    ===
    Stage 1 : Discovery and introduction to the concept
    ===
    For individuals have a hard time grasping the concept of gender inverted elite. This website http://www.femininebeauty.info can be a great resource in understanding the overall masculinization of women in the fashion industry. Also the author approaches his analysis not from a gender inverted perspective, but from a ‘the fashion industry is run by homosexual men and that’s why the women look like men.’

    The jaws of high-fashion models

    The jaw structure of high-fashion models is typically notably masculinized; squared chins, sharp gonial angles, angular jawlines and less protruding jaws compared to the feminine norm are fairly common among them.

    In the comparisons below, high-fashion models are featured in the left column and glamour models are featured in the right column.

    The jaws of high-fashion models

    * http://www.femininebeauty.info/fashion-model-basics
    * http://www.femininebeauty.info/fashion-model-jaw
    * http://www.femininebeauty.info/feminine-vs-masculine
    * I don’t agree with everything the author says.

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North, East, West, South – our media encode, script and popularize stories that aim to control the general population. Information is not free or harmless – rather a controlled and refined weapon covertly used on our minds ever since its inception – and model – the Babel.

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